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On August 13 2011 01:09 sc2guy wrote:Let me rewrite the OP to make it more diplomatic.After many hours spent working with our sponsors and writing proposals, it is with our great displeasure regret to announce that Koreans from oGs, Startale, WeMadeFox, TSL, and Prime will not participate in the NASL. At the very beginning of the first season, all players and team managers were sent a rule set and contract that outlined exactly how the league would work and what the NASL would provide to its players. The NASL agreed to provide a $500 travel stipend to each player who advanced to the Grand Finals, in addition to shuttle service to and from the airport and venue. This contract was signed by all players and team managers. We made the offer to all teams and players that we could handle hotel booking and travel (to and from the airport) for the Grand Finals and subtract those prices from player travel stipends. Almost every player took us up on this offer. The week before the Grand Finals, Koreans expressed difficulty paying for their travel, and asked us to buy their plane tickets. We solved this problem by offering to buy their tickets and subtract the cost from prize winnings and whatever was left of the stipend. In preparation forBefore the start of Season 2, it was made known to us by Mr.Chae of the GSL that the Korean teams threatened wanted to withdraw from the NASL unless several demands conditions were made: 1) pay for 100% of travel and accommodation cost for the Grand Finals and 2) remove the security deposit. The concerns of the Korean teams, as expressed to us by Mr.Chae were that it is difficult for Koreans to travel to the USA given their generally lower level of sponsorship, and secondly that they don’t think Koreans should have to pay to enter the event [despite the fact that we refund all security deposits, making the league free to play barring any penalties]. In an effort to try to ease the difficulty of travel, we managed to double our travel budget to $1,000 per player in addition to the minimum prize of $500. As we need to start the season on schedule, we had to start filming with the issues at hand. Unfortunately, we were notified August 9th (our 2nd day of filming) that this offer was unacceptable they cannot agree to our offer, and that Koreans were withdrawing from the league. We presented a final offer, one which redistributed our prize pool to guarantee each player $2,000 (a $1,000 minimum prize in addition to the $1,000 travel stipend). We feel that, for a 1/16 chance at winning up to $40,000, $2,000 is more than fair accommodation expense to get players to come. Despite our best efforts, the Korean teams still have declined participation. We are disappointed that the Korean Committee waited until the final hour, not only to make these demands but also to notify us of their withdrawal.Show nested quote +my comment:
irrelevant because NASL was notified during preparation of Season 2. If that is considered the final hour to notify NASL, please enlightening me when will be a better time? We would like to apologize to our fans who wanted to see these players participate in the NASL and to the Korean players who hoped to participate. Show nested quote +my comment:
It is an assumption on NASL part to make it sound like SC2Con is denying koreans from playing in NASL. We do not know if the players are actually complaining to SC2Con and SC2Con is simply representing them. While we do respect the Committee’s decision, we wish it had been made in a more timely manner that did not interrupt the start of our season.Show nested quote +my comment:
Usually when you respect somebody statement/opinion, you don't add BS at the end. While this does mean that NASL Season 2 will be slightly delayed, we remain steadfast in our commitment to eSports – we will broadcast high quality games every day and bring you some of the very best play the world has to offer. -- North American Star League
nice one.
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On August 13 2011 01:17 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:15 LuciferSC wrote:On August 13 2011 01:14 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:12 LuciferSC wrote:On August 13 2011 01:07 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:05 LuciferSC wrote:On August 13 2011 01:03 busbarn wrote:
Is the avarage korean/average sponsor economy so bad that they can't send people to events? I mean, they are no superstars, they should expect to pay it all by themselves. SC2 teams are definitely not very strong when it comes to finance atm. However that is not why they pulled out. They pulled out because they felt the tourney isn't profitable for them or for their players. Ok one US dollar is approx: 1,200 won (or near it) How could winning the grand prize or even a lower prize and then having it transferred to won NOT be profitable? Things just aren't adding up here. Maybe there is more to the story. Just because exchanging US currency to Korean currency ends up in bigger numeric number, doesn't necessarily mean taking US currency to Korea is more profitable than winning the same amount in Korean won. Actually it does. Show me facts proving that it won't. You are making it sound like Korea is a third world country where u can take one month's paycheck and live like an emperor. You are horribly mistaken. That's your opinion. Have you lived in Korea? Do you know the difference in the currency? I am just asking for evidence since you are talking like you know it all.
Seoul is one of the most expensive cities in the world. Do a Google search. I'm not doing it for you. You're very wrong here.
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I had largely negative views with NASL when it first started, mostly due to the way they hand picked players instead of having qualification rounds like the IPL.
However, this is pretty much the Korean's fault. They are sponsored players and should have their own teams back them up in terms of travel. I don't believe that MLG reimburses anyone for their travel or hotel, why should NASL. Not to mention, dreamhack was pretty much the same thing. You just go to a large LAN event and pay your own expenses.
You shouldn't ever rely on an event to pay for your cost of getting there. It is a privilege to be watched on TV and have the chance to win any prize at all in competition. It is not a right to be at that competition, even if you qualified to get there through a tournament bracket. It is not the responsibility of the event at all to pay anybody any money at all in terms of travel/lodgings. Therefore, the initial $500 guarantee for a player to win AND $500 stipend for travel/airfare should have been more than expected.
I hope that those teams that pulled their players out, really look at the double standard that they have imposed on NASL.
NASL, while could have been implemented better, grew Starcraft 2 in a positive way and contributed to our community by providing us entertainment and competition. (Same with GSL, MLG and other events). Expecting them to go any further than that is unreasonable.
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I dont see this as such a big issue to be honest. I like koreans, but the last MLG was just sad when the top 6 was koreans out of 8 koreans going to the event. A small amount of koreans at international events is better than the huge amount that was announced by the NASL initially.
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On August 13 2011 01:30 Wraith.978 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:17 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:15 LuciferSC wrote:On August 13 2011 01:14 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:12 LuciferSC wrote:On August 13 2011 01:07 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:05 LuciferSC wrote:On August 13 2011 01:03 busbarn wrote:
Is the avarage korean/average sponsor economy so bad that they can't send people to events? I mean, they are no superstars, they should expect to pay it all by themselves. SC2 teams are definitely not very strong when it comes to finance atm. However that is not why they pulled out. They pulled out because they felt the tourney isn't profitable for them or for their players. Ok one US dollar is approx: 1,200 won (or near it) How could winning the grand prize or even a lower prize and then having it transferred to won NOT be profitable? Things just aren't adding up here. Maybe there is more to the story. Just because exchanging US currency to Korean currency ends up in bigger numeric number, doesn't necessarily mean taking US currency to Korea is more profitable than winning the same amount in Korean won. Actually it does. Show me facts proving that it won't. You are making it sound like Korea is a third world country where u can take one month's paycheck and live like an emperor. You are horribly mistaken. That's your opinion. Have you lived in Korea? Do you know the difference in the currency? I am just asking for evidence since you are talking like you know it all. Seoul is one of the most expensive cities in the world. Do a Google search. I'm not doing it for you. You're very wrong here.
90% or more of the things he has said are baseless. Ignore this guys attempts at derailment please.
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On August 13 2011 01:30 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:27 Misery[BH] wrote:On August 13 2011 01:26 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:24 Abrafred wrote:On August 13 2011 01:21 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:19 Namu wrote:On August 13 2011 01:17 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:15 LuciferSC wrote:On August 13 2011 01:14 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:12 LuciferSC wrote:
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Just because exchanging US currency to Korean currency ends up in bigger numeric number, doesn't necessarily mean taking US currency to Korea is more profitable than winning the same amount in Korean won. Actually it does. Show me facts proving that it won't. You are making it sound like Korea is a third world country where u can take one month's paycheck and live like an emperor. You are horribly mistaken. That's your opinion. Have you lived in Korea? Do you know the difference in the currency? I am just asking for evidence since you are talking like you know it all. Are you saying because 1200 is a larger number than 1, 1200 won > 1 dollar? I'm so confused right now.. If your confused, why engage in the debate? lol this is getting annoying. he is purposefully pissing everyone off. someone temp ban him lol. See dude, you can't even back up your statements and now you have no defense so you resort to the whole "temp ban", get real man. Please, quote my statements that involve pissing people off because there aren't any. i think you're either really ignorant or a huge troll and stopped taking you seriously a long time ago Like I said with the other guy. You result to name calling when you do not have a defense to back up the statements you have been arguing with me about. I proved what I had to say, you on the other hand can not and have not. Please, quote something I said that makes me a troll or ignorant.
You think it's profitable to turn dollars into won. It's just conversion, doesn't turn it into more money.
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On August 13 2011 01:27 AdamBanks wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:20 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:15 NEOtheONE wrote:
So let me get this straight, in order to participate in the GSL, you are basically expected to move to Korea, and I am under the impression that they do not pay for a single penny of foreigner expenses to get there. Please correct me if I am wrong.
THANK YOU! More people need to see the selfishness of Koreas decision. Foreigners have to make sacrafices and Koreans should as well. Your're wrong. Stop talking. Non-Koreans don't practice enough. Korean practice, sacrificing their social and professional lives. End of discussion. There are no foreigner progamers, only celebrities who happen to play starcraft.
I am wrong? Here is what was posted which is in relation to what I wrote.
So this is what this thread comes down to:
1. I want to win all the money
2. I don't want to pay the deposit
3. I don't want to pay to come to your tournament
4. Pay me immediately please.
So, I am wrong for saying korea is being selfish in their decision? Please read the post above and tell me exactly how THAT is not selfish.
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On August 13 2011 01:20 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:15 NEOtheONE wrote:
So let me get this straight, in order to participate in the GSL, you are basically expected to move to Korea, and I am under the impression that they do not pay for a single penny of foreigner expenses to get there. Please correct me if I am wrong.
THANK YOU! More people need to see the selfishness of Koreas decision. Foreigners have to make sacrafices and Koreans should as well.
Erm even if what you say is true (foreigners have to pay bla bla bla to participate in GSL, koreans do not), so what?
Koreans are the main draw of NASL.
Most people watch NASL because of the Koreans.
Most people watch NASL because Koreans can offer high level of competitive play.
Most people watch NASL because they want to see how foreigners stack up against Koreans.
Most people watch NASL because they got nothing better to do.
Note: I just made 5 assumptions above and I don't see anything wrong with it because everybody is doing the same thing in this thread also. Why, because SC2Con have not made any official response.
Oh yah, with regard to your post, there is nothing to be selfish about. I ask for something, you do not want to give me, we go our own ways.
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On August 13 2011 01:33 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:27 AdamBanks wrote:On August 13 2011 01:20 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:15 NEOtheONE wrote:
So let me get this straight, in order to participate in the GSL, you are basically expected to move to Korea, and I am under the impression that they do not pay for a single penny of foreigner expenses to get there. Please correct me if I am wrong.
THANK YOU! More people need to see the selfishness of Koreas decision. Foreigners have to make sacrafices and Koreans should as well. Your're wrong. Stop talking. Non-Koreans don't practice enough. Korean practice, sacrificing their social and professional lives. End of discussion. There are no foreigner progamers, only celebrities who happen to play starcraft. I am wrong? Here is what was posted which is in relation to what I wrote. So this is what this thread comes down to: 1. I want to win all the money 2. I don't want to pay the deposit 3. I don't want to pay to come to your tournament 4. Pay me immediately please. So, I am wrong for saying korea is being selfish in their decision? Please read the post above and tell me exactly how THAT is not selfish.
No we're talking about your perception of currency conversion increasing how much money you have
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On August 13 2011 01:33 Lobo2me wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:30 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:27 Misery[BH] wrote:On August 13 2011 01:26 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:24 Abrafred wrote:On August 13 2011 01:21 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:19 Namu wrote:On August 13 2011 01:17 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:15 LuciferSC wrote:On August 13 2011 01:14 BlazeFury01 wrote:
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Actually it does. Show me facts proving that it won't. You are making it sound like Korea is a third world country where u can take one month's paycheck and live like an emperor. You are horribly mistaken. That's your opinion. Have you lived in Korea? Do you know the difference in the currency? I am just asking for evidence since you are talking like you know it all. Are you saying because 1200 is a larger number than 1, 1200 won > 1 dollar? I'm so confused right now.. If your confused, why engage in the debate? lol this is getting annoying. he is purposefully pissing everyone off. someone temp ban him lol. See dude, you can't even back up your statements and now you have no defense so you resort to the whole "temp ban", get real man. Please, quote my statements that involve pissing people off because there aren't any. i think you're either really ignorant or a huge troll and stopped taking you seriously a long time ago Like I said with the other guy. You result to name calling when you do not have a defense to back up the statements you have been arguing with me about. I proved what I had to say, you on the other hand can not and have not. Please, quote something I said that makes me a troll or ignorant. You think it's profitable to turn dollars into won. It's just conversion, doesn't turn it into more money.
Ok, so if I won a poker tournament in europe and had the money transferred to the US dollar it wouldn't make more US dollars because the euros is worth more money?
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On August 13 2011 01:34 Namu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:33 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:27 AdamBanks wrote:On August 13 2011 01:20 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:15 NEOtheONE wrote:
So let me get this straight, in order to participate in the GSL, you are basically expected to move to Korea, and I am under the impression that they do not pay for a single penny of foreigner expenses to get there. Please correct me if I am wrong.
THANK YOU! More people need to see the selfishness of Koreas decision. Foreigners have to make sacrafices and Koreans should as well. Your're wrong. Stop talking. Non-Koreans don't practice enough. Korean practice, sacrificing their social and professional lives. End of discussion. There are no foreigner progamers, only celebrities who happen to play starcraft. I am wrong? Here is what was posted which is in relation to what I wrote. So this is what this thread comes down to: 1. I want to win all the money 2. I don't want to pay the deposit 3. I don't want to pay to come to your tournament 4. Pay me immediately please. So, I am wrong for saying korea is being selfish in their decision? Please read the post above and tell me exactly how THAT is not selfish. No we're talking about your perception of currency conversion increasing how much money you have
The above post wasn't even talking about that. See, now your the one that's trolling.
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 13 2011 01:09 sc2guy wrote:Let me rewrite the OP to make it more diplomatic.After many hours spent working with our sponsors and writing proposals, it is with our great displeasure regret to announce that Koreans from oGs, Startale, WeMadeFox, TSL, and Prime will not participate in the NASL. At the very beginning of the first season, all players and team managers were sent a rule set and contract that outlined exactly how the league would work and what the NASL would provide to its players. The NASL agreed to provide a $500 travel stipend to each player who advanced to the Grand Finals, in addition to shuttle service to and from the airport and venue. This contract was signed by all players and team managers. We made the offer to all teams and players that we could handle hotel booking and travel (to and from the airport) for the Grand Finals and subtract those prices from player travel stipends. Almost every player took us up on this offer. The week before the Grand Finals, Koreans expressed difficulty paying for their travel, and asked us to buy their plane tickets. We solved this problem by offering to buy their tickets and subtract the cost from prize winnings and whatever was left of the stipend. In preparation forBefore the start of Season 2, it was made known to us by Mr.Chae of the GSL that the Korean teams threatened wanted to withdraw from the NASL unless several demands conditions were made: 1) pay for 100% of travel and accommodation cost for the Grand Finals and 2) remove the security deposit. The concerns of the Korean teams, as expressed to us by Mr.Chae were that it is difficult for Koreans to travel to the USA given their generally lower level of sponsorship, and secondly that they don’t think Koreans should have to pay to enter the event [despite the fact that we refund all security deposits, making the league free to play barring any penalties]. In an effort to try to ease the difficulty of travel, we managed to double our travel budget to $1,000 per player in addition to the minimum prize of $500. As we need to start the season on schedule, we had to start filming with the issues at hand. Unfortunately, we were notified August 9th (our 2nd day of filming) that this offer was unacceptable they cannot agree to our offer, and that Koreans were withdrawing from the league. We presented a final offer, one which redistributed our prize pool to guarantee each player $2,000 (a $1,000 minimum prize in addition to the $1,000 travel stipend). We feel that, for a 1/16 chance at winning up to $40,000, $2,000 is more than fair accommodation expense to get players to come. Despite our best efforts, the Korean teams still have declined participation. We are disappointed that the Korean Committee waited until the final hour, not only to make these demands but also to notify us of their withdrawal.my comment:
irrelevant because NASL was notified during preparation of Season 2. If that is considered the final hour to notify NASL, please enlightening me when will be a better time? We would like to apologize to our fans who wanted to see these players participate in the NASL and to the Korean players who hoped to participate. my comment:
It is an assumption on NASL part to make it sound like SC2Con is denying koreans from playing in NASL. We do not know if the players are actually complaining to SC2Con and SC2Con is simply representing them. While we do respect the Committee’s decision, we wish it had been made in a more timely manner that did not interrupt the start of our season.my comment:
Usually when you respect somebody statement/opinion, you don't add BS at the end. While this does mean that NASL Season 2 will be slightly delayed, we remain steadfast in our commitment to eSports – we will broadcast high quality games every day and bring you some of the very best play the world has to offer. -- North American Star League
VERY well said!
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On August 13 2011 01:34 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:33 Lobo2me wrote:On August 13 2011 01:30 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:27 Misery[BH] wrote:On August 13 2011 01:26 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:24 Abrafred wrote:On August 13 2011 01:21 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:19 Namu wrote:On August 13 2011 01:17 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:15 LuciferSC wrote:
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You are making it sound like Korea is a third world country where u can take one month's paycheck and live like an emperor.
You are horribly mistaken.
That's your opinion. Have you lived in Korea? Do you know the difference in the currency? I am just asking for evidence since you are talking like you know it all. Are you saying because 1200 is a larger number than 1, 1200 won > 1 dollar? I'm so confused right now.. If your confused, why engage in the debate? lol this is getting annoying. he is purposefully pissing everyone off. someone temp ban him lol. See dude, you can't even back up your statements and now you have no defense so you resort to the whole "temp ban", get real man. Please, quote my statements that involve pissing people off because there aren't any. i think you're either really ignorant or a huge troll and stopped taking you seriously a long time ago Like I said with the other guy. You result to name calling when you do not have a defense to back up the statements you have been arguing with me about. I proved what I had to say, you on the other hand can not and have not. Please, quote something I said that makes me a troll or ignorant. You think it's profitable to turn dollars into won. It's just conversion, doesn't turn it into more money. Ok, so if I won a poker tournament in europe and had the money transferred to the US dollar it wouldn't make more US dollars because the euros is worth more money?
This is off topic, but please stop being so dense about currency.
Let's just stop talking about currency period.
If you win x-amount of dollars in Europe, its still worth the same if you import it into America (minus fees to convert). You just get a different amount (but still worth the same).
Like seriously go back to Grade 5.
Let's just leave it as x-amount of dollars won. In this case its 40K American.
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On August 13 2011 01:34 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:33 Lobo2me wrote:On August 13 2011 01:30 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:27 Misery[BH] wrote:On August 13 2011 01:26 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:24 Abrafred wrote:On August 13 2011 01:21 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:19 Namu wrote:On August 13 2011 01:17 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:15 LuciferSC wrote:
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You are making it sound like Korea is a third world country where u can take one month's paycheck and live like an emperor.
You are horribly mistaken.
That's your opinion. Have you lived in Korea? Do you know the difference in the currency? I am just asking for evidence since you are talking like you know it all. Are you saying because 1200 is a larger number than 1, 1200 won > 1 dollar? I'm so confused right now.. If your confused, why engage in the debate? lol this is getting annoying. he is purposefully pissing everyone off. someone temp ban him lol. See dude, you can't even back up your statements and now you have no defense so you resort to the whole "temp ban", get real man. Please, quote my statements that involve pissing people off because there aren't any. i think you're either really ignorant or a huge troll and stopped taking you seriously a long time ago Like I said with the other guy. You result to name calling when you do not have a defense to back up the statements you have been arguing with me about. I proved what I had to say, you on the other hand can not and have not. Please, quote something I said that makes me a troll or ignorant. You think it's profitable to turn dollars into won. It's just conversion, doesn't turn it into more money. Ok, so if I won a poker tournament in europe and had the money transferred to the US dollar it wouldn't make more US dollars because the euros is worth more money?
lol your grasp on how currency works is either falsely portrayed by very poor wording or you having no idea what you're talking about
i'm banking on the latter
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My 2 cents.
The Korean are at a clearly higher skill level. That's enjoyable for the fans. The fans love to see Koreans, but plenty of people just watch foreigners play too. I think the NASL will still do fine.
Personally I think it's idiotic of the Koreans to boycott a tournament in which the prize pool is one of the biggest in the world and they're favoured to win it - the tournament winnings for most will offset the travel cost. Plus NASL was willing to pay $2000 of it if their winnings don't cover it.
And they could have definitely informed NASL before filming the season.
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On August 13 2011 01:26 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:24 Abrafred wrote:On August 13 2011 01:21 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:19 Namu wrote:On August 13 2011 01:17 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:15 LuciferSC wrote:On August 13 2011 01:14 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:12 LuciferSC wrote:On August 13 2011 01:07 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:05 LuciferSC wrote:
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SC2 teams are definitely not very strong when it comes to finance atm.
However that is not why they pulled out.
They pulled out because they felt the tourney isn't profitable for them or for their players. Ok one US dollar is approx: 1,200 won (or near it) How could winning the grand prize or even a lower prize and then having it transferred to won NOT be profitable? Things just aren't adding up here. Maybe there is more to the story. Just because exchanging US currency to Korean currency ends up in bigger numeric number, doesn't necessarily mean taking US currency to Korea is more profitable than winning the same amount in Korean won. Actually it does. Show me facts proving that it won't. You are making it sound like Korea is a third world country where u can take one month's paycheck and live like an emperor. You are horribly mistaken. That's your opinion. Have you lived in Korea? Do you know the difference in the currency? I am just asking for evidence since you are talking like you know it all. Are you saying because 1200 is a larger number than 1, 1200 won > 1 dollar? I'm so confused right now.. If your confused, why engage in the debate? lol this is getting annoying. he is purposefully pissing everyone off. someone temp ban him lol. See dude, you can't even back up your statements and now you have no defense so you resort to the whole "temp ban", get real man. Please, quote my statements that involve pissing people off because there aren't any.
You are lucky that I have nothing better to do at the momment. I will offer you my attention i will feed you this that you parents didn't. I feel sorry you found no friends to sociallise with so i will give in. You should know though that you live a sad existence.
The numerican value of the currency is of no importance. I shall give you an example. $1=1200won
Next day Korea decides to change it's base currency (process Zimbawbe goes through every know and then) into wan where 10000won=1wan. Then $1=0.12wan..
O: could this mean? could this mean? that know seoul is 10000 times more expensive?
obviously not. Because the wan the won and the dollar all have different values relative to one another.
Now for how cheap life is in Seoul it is enough to say that
The average local purchasing power index in the USA is at 124, while in Seoul it is at 125. Pretty much the same. But Seoul is more expensive.
Ban him.
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I don't think it's necessarily fair to assume that they were procrastinating and told you (NASL) at the very last moment... please give them the benefit of the doubt. If they delayed their decision until the very last moment, then that probably means they didn't WANT to withdraw, and they were probably looking for excuses to participate in the NASL afterall...
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On August 13 2011 01:31 x6Paramore wrote:
You shouldn't ever rely on an event to pay for your cost of getting there. It is a privilege to be watched on TV and have the chance to win any prize at all in competition
I agree. I think that's what it comes down to.
I think all the people talking about hours and lag are just beating around the bush. I don't think those were big problems, and I don't think Koreans actually want to quit the NASL.
I don't think SC2Con is treating this as a win and hf-ing each other. I think they're as disappointed as the NASL.
It's just they thought they were making a reasonable demand, and NASL thought it was making a reasonable concession, and the two didn't equal each other.
I am siding with the NASL because because they seem to be the only ones in the party who varied their offers, and I think their offer was more than generous.
The whole reason why we have pro teams is to ensure that players have proper funding. It's nice when a tournament offers to pay for expenses, but they are under no obligation to, nor is a failure to do so a good reason to quit the tournament.
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On August 13 2011 01:37 Misery[BH] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:34 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:33 Lobo2me wrote:On August 13 2011 01:30 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:27 Misery[BH] wrote:On August 13 2011 01:26 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:24 Abrafred wrote:On August 13 2011 01:21 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:19 Namu wrote:On August 13 2011 01:17 BlazeFury01 wrote:
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That's your opinion. Have you lived in Korea? Do you know the difference in the currency? I am just asking for evidence since you are talking like you know it all.
Are you saying because 1200 is a larger number than 1, 1200 won > 1 dollar? I'm so confused right now.. If your confused, why engage in the debate? lol this is getting annoying. he is purposefully pissing everyone off. someone temp ban him lol. See dude, you can't even back up your statements and now you have no defense so you resort to the whole "temp ban", get real man. Please, quote my statements that involve pissing people off because there aren't any. i think you're either really ignorant or a huge troll and stopped taking you seriously a long time ago Like I said with the other guy. You result to name calling when you do not have a defense to back up the statements you have been arguing with me about. I proved what I had to say, you on the other hand can not and have not. Please, quote something I said that makes me a troll or ignorant. You think it's profitable to turn dollars into won. It's just conversion, doesn't turn it into more money. Ok, so if I won a poker tournament in europe and had the money transferred to the US dollar it wouldn't make more US dollars because the euros is worth more money? lol your grasp on how currency works is either falsely portrayed by very poor wording or you having no idea what you're talking about i'm banking on the latter
I didn't say that's how it works. I asked a question and you took my question as an answer and made the issue a bigger topic then it needed to be and your right, I had no idea what I was talking about which is why it was a question to begin with.
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On August 13 2011 01:40 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 01:37 Misery[BH] wrote:On August 13 2011 01:34 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:33 Lobo2me wrote:On August 13 2011 01:30 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:27 Misery[BH] wrote:On August 13 2011 01:26 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:24 Abrafred wrote:On August 13 2011 01:21 BlazeFury01 wrote:On August 13 2011 01:19 Namu wrote:
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Are you saying because 1200 is a larger number than 1, 1200 won > 1 dollar? I'm so confused right now.. If your confused, why engage in the debate? lol this is getting annoying. he is purposefully pissing everyone off. someone temp ban him lol. See dude, you can't even back up your statements and now you have no defense so you resort to the whole "temp ban", get real man. Please, quote my statements that involve pissing people off because there aren't any. i think you're either really ignorant or a huge troll and stopped taking you seriously a long time ago Like I said with the other guy. You result to name calling when you do not have a defense to back up the statements you have been arguing with me about. I proved what I had to say, you on the other hand can not and have not. Please, quote something I said that makes me a troll or ignorant. You think it's profitable to turn dollars into won. It's just conversion, doesn't turn it into more money. Ok, so if I won a poker tournament in europe and had the money transferred to the US dollar it wouldn't make more US dollars because the euros is worth more money? lol your grasp on how currency works is either falsely portrayed by very poor wording or you having no idea what you're talking about i'm banking on the latter I didn't say that's how it works. I asked a question and you took my question as an answer and made the issue a bigger topic then it needed to be and your right, I had no idea what I was talking about which is why it was a question to begin with.
great, now that we've put that to rest
do you think the infestor is balanced?
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