Korean teams withdraw from NASL - Page 131

On August 12 2011 08:12 Jason54178 wrote:


Sen is a Taiwanese player in an American team so he isn't affected I think.

On August 12 2011 22:46 epij wrote:


My point was: NASL has its rules, every competitor knows that rules. If you are not able to attend a tournament because of that rules, you can not expect to have them changed just for you. So the whole "it's unfair debate" is stupid.

On August 12 2011 22:46 epij wrote:


My point was: NASL has its rules, every competitor knows that rules. If you are not able to attend a tournament because of that rules, you can not expect to have them changed just for you. So the whole "it's unfair debate" is stupid.

On August 12 2011 22:35 TeeTS wrote:



You are totally wrong! Every comercially run Sportsevent (especially big ones like UEFA Champions League, Football (Soccer for all americans ;D) Worldcup or Tour de France) pays Money to the competing Teams that easyly eats up every traveling costs. They are basically paid for competing and if they succeed they get additional prize money. That's how it works in professional sports and professional tournaments.
So you could basically say, the SC2Con wants the NASL to be a professional tournament and the NASL said "No!".
But the interesting question would be how profitable it is, to run a tournament like NASL. Can they effort paying the traveling costs or would paying them ruin the NASL? Have they actual finance issues? They got a lot of commercials at the NASL finals, so you could suppose they are making lots of money. If that's true, then they should concentrate on investing into the tournament, and that would be securing that they've got a strongest lineup, which would include those korean players.

On August 12 2011 22:55 Kavas wrote:

Correct. So the Koreans decided to pull out of it. Who decided to make a thread and a big deal of the whole thing? And mind you it wasn't neutral message like "We regret to inform our viewers that....". Instead it started with, ".....it is with our great displeasure...." and tried to portray the Koreans in a bad light as if they owed NASL something.

On August 12 2011 22:45 DyEnasTy wrote:
I look foward to not seeing all the koreans. Itll be nice to see a foreigner have a better shot. I do hope though that the koreans that signed with foreign teams play.

Will they?

On August 12 2011 22:39 chatuka wrote:
Why do you care about the schedule so much tripper? Let the Korean person decide whether or not they can handle to slightly inconvenient work load. Normal people in the world always have crazy things coming up at inconvenient times. That's life dude.

this thread is about Money. the teams aren't being compensated for the investment they put into the player's expenses. Make a tri-lateral agreement between NASL, SC2con, and the players, I think they can arrange something. THERE is too much money at stake to lose for the Korean players. too much exposure a team like NHSEO or Zenex could desperately USE so that Sponsors will pay THEM.

I described my tri-lateral contract in a previous post. Basically the Team gets like 1700. the Players gets like 300. NASL provides the team with 2000 for the round of 16, should the player NOT make it past that round. Any round beyond rd16, the player keeps as prize. If the team is not happy with that, Perhaps, the team can siphon or slice a small percentage of the player's earnings for you know, training, investment, and feeding the person. That should be up to the player and TEAM. NOT between the Team and NASL

On August 12 2011 22:43 shell wrote:
FFS! To win 100k if i had the chance(and they have the most chances since they are the best and the koreans participating were some of the best) i would gladly play a game at 4am ONCE A WEEK!

Come on guys.. if it's like NASL said then i don't see how you can blame NASL for this.. They are clearly being primadonas, simply put they are not interest or they are simply trying to make a show of force..

But i don't understand how some people accept that the Korean teams do this and what about the euro/na teams? to you think it's that less expensive for a euro team to send guys to NASL?

It's not just about the skill it's also about fairness.. NASL can't be blamed for SK being so far away from the states! There is a shedulle and teams make an effort or don't..

Anyways i accept that some koreans are out and will gladly accept puma, rain and anyothers that want to participate!

On August 12 2011 22:46 epij wrote:


My point was: NASL has its rules, every competitor knows that rules. If you are not able to attend a tournament because of that rules, you can not expect to have them changed just for you. So the whole "it's unfair debate" is stupid.

On August 12 2011 22:55 dabom88 wrote:


Alright, and because the Koreans thought the rules were unfair, they pulled out. Don't see what the problem is then.

On August 12 2011 22:55 Kavas wrote:

Correct. So the Koreans decided to pull out of it. Who decided to make a thread and a big deal of the whole thing? And mind you it wasn't neutral message like "We regret to inform our viewers that....". Instead it started with, ".....it is with our great displeasure...." and tried to portray the Koreans in a bad light as if they owed NASL something.

On August 12 2011 22:23 Sbrubbles wrote:


I never said it had no effect whatsoever, I just said it was minimal. You didn't even click on the link, did you? I'm sorry, but I'm gonna take LiquidJinro's word over yours.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=205366

Also, it isn't trivial to play SC2 at 4 in the morning, but it was also unavoidable given the production format.

On August 12 2011 22:55 FLuE wrote:


Some of this post isn't accurate, in terms of league/events paying teams, just wanted to point that out, but anyway.

This thread was predictable that it would go this way. I think there has always been a very vocal faction that hasn't wanted NASL to succeed from the start. That faction will always be against it no matter what. I'm not 100% sure why that die hard faction has existed with this particular event, it is unlike any others that are out there. I have always found that strange, especially when other events have had similar, and worse issues which have quickly been forgotten and forgive yet it is impossible to think NASL can improve or are trying to.

With that said, I don't understand some of the arguments. For one, it isn't a 3 month commitment where you are playing at 4AM everyday. You play once a week. If you told me, "hey you have to wake up at 4AM, play a video game, and after 3 months you might be able to travel to a cool foreign country and compete for 40k..." Um.. yeah I'm fine with that. This isn't some major sport. I find it hard to believe that these players, already fighting for limited prize money, would complain about some inconveniences. I can understand an NBA player saying, "No I'm not waking up at 4AM." But seems to be sacrifices are going to be part of being associated with an industry trying to grow with limited resources. It almost comes off sounding spoiled if that is the excuse... heck I wake up at 4AM just to watch games!

I run my own business and I have to do work related things I don't want to do. We are a small growing business, hopefully one day we are big enough that I don't have to wake up at 5AM on a Sunday to take care of something. But for now, that is part of the gig. I just know if I'm an SC2 player I try to play in everything I possibly can right now, 2AM, 4AM, 6PM, there are to few opportunities out there to make money and you don't know when that money pool will dry up.

If the Koreans choose to not participate, that is fine. Sometimes things just don't work out, but the NASL went above and beyond to provide more than any small tournament(in real world perspective all SC2 events are small) should have to. It almost sounds like the Koreans essentially want an appearance fee, pay us to show up. The stipends and accommodations provided balance off the chance of winning 40k for sure. Think of events like the World Series of Poker, something I think SC2 compares to more than other major sports, and people actually have to PAY to play in that.

The last point I want to make is that I think these Korean teams, struggling for sponsors and money, are being VERY short sighted not doing all they can to grow their brand in America. It could open up opportunities for sponsorships, additional revenue streams, growing fan base. These things you can't put a price on, and everyone knows you want to get the American demographic on board ,struggling economy and all there is still tons of disposable income here and to not try to get a slice of that seems irresponsible from a business point of view.

On August 12 2011 22:55 dabom88 wrote:


Alright, and because the Koreans thought the rules were unfair, they pulled out. Don't see what the problem is then.

On August 12 2011 22:55 FLuE wrote:


Some of this post isn't accurate, in terms of league/events paying teams, just wanted to point that out, but anyway.

This thread was predictable that it would go this way. I think there has always been a very vocal faction that hasn't wanted NASL to succeed from the start. That faction will always be against it no matter what. I'm not 100% sure why that die hard faction has existed with this particular event, it is unlike any others that are out there. I have always found that strange, especially when other events have had similar, and worse issues which have quickly been forgotten and forgive yet it is impossible to think NASL can improve or are trying to.

With that said, I don't understand some of the arguments. For one, it isn't a 3 month commitment where you are playing at 4AM everyday. You play once a week. If you told me, "hey you have to wake up at 4AM, play a video game, and after 3 months you might be able to travel to a cool foreign country and compete for 40k..." Um.. yeah I'm fine with that. This isn't some major sport. I find it hard to believe that these players, already fighting for limited prize money, would complain about some inconveniences. I can understand an NBA player saying, "No I'm not waking up at 4AM." But seems to be sacrifices are going to be part of being associated with an industry trying to grow with limited resources. It almost comes off sounding spoiled if that is the excuse... heck I wake up at 4AM just to watch games!

I run my own business and I have to do work related things I don't want to do. We are a small growing business, hopefully one day we are big enough that I don't have to wake up at 5AM on a Sunday to take care of something. But for now, that is part of the gig. I just know if I'm an SC2 player I try to play in everything I possibly can right now, 2AM, 4AM, 6PM, there are to few opportunities out there to make money and you don't know when that money pool will dry up.

If the Koreans choose to not participate, that is fine. Sometimes things just don't work out, but the NASL went above and beyond to provide more than any small tournament(in real world perspective all SC2 events are small) should have to. It almost sounds like the Koreans essentially want an appearance fee, pay us to show up. The stipends and accommodations provided balance off the chance of winning 40k for sure. Think of events like the World Series of Poker, something I think SC2 compares to more than other major sports, and people actually have to PAY to play in that.

The last point I want to make is that I think these Korean teams, struggling for sponsors and money, are being VERY short sighted not doing all they can to grow their brand in America. It could open up opportunities for sponsorships, additional revenue streams, growing fan base. These things you can't put a price on, and everyone knows you want to get the American demographic on board ,struggling economy and all there is still tons of disposable income here and to not try to get a slice of that seems irresponsible from a business point of view.

On August 12 2011 23:01 epij wrote:


Uhm, last sentence, "it's unfair debate", anyone?

On August 12 2011 22:58 Misery[BH] wrote:


that's like getting high school football when you wanted to watch NFL

if anything i'm more disappointed in the foreign players who just plain suck compared to the highest tier players. if you're getting paid to play this game professionally and consider yourself an e-athlete then at least try to practice hard and train enough to match the skill of korean players. theres no enjoyment in watching players such as cruncher, tt1, catz, incontrol, qxc, dde, slush, haypro, bratok, goody, machine, socke, tyler, drewbie, painuser getting stomped by people who actually take things seriously. to be fair, some of those people have been practicing and adjusting practice regiments to get better, but others are just a joke. you can tune into catz's stream to watch him play use map settings games then catch him a week later in some online tourny getting stomped. they don't take it seriously and they're privileged to be as known as they are and they take advantage of the fact that they can make money from their stream even though they're complete and utter shit compared to the real competition.

i hope to see foreigners step up this time when i tune into nasl season 2 and provide some entertaining, high skilled games.

On August 12 2011 22:55 FLuE wrote:


Some of this post isn't accurate, in terms of league/events paying teams, just wanted to point that out, but anyway.

This thread was predictable that it would go this way. I think there has always been a very vocal faction that hasn't wanted NASL to succeed from the start. That faction will always be against it no matter what. I'm not 100% sure why that die hard faction has existed with this particular event, it is unlike any others that are out there. I have always found that strange, especially when other events have had similar, and worse issues which have quickly been forgotten and forgive yet it is impossible to think NASL can improve or are trying to.

With that said, I don't understand some of the arguments. For one, it isn't a 3 month commitment where you are playing at 4AM everyday. You play once a week. If you told me, "hey you have to wake up at 4AM, play a video game, and after 3 months you might be able to travel to a cool foreign country and compete for 40k..." Um.. yeah I'm fine with that. This isn't some major sport. I find it hard to believe that these players, already fighting for limited prize money, would complain about some inconveniences. I can understand an NBA player saying, "No I'm not waking up at 4AM." But seems to be sacrifices are going to be part of being associated with an industry trying to grow with limited resources. It almost comes off sounding spoiled if that is the excuse... heck I wake up at 4AM just to watch games!

I run my own business and I have to do work related things I don't want to do. We are a small growing business, hopefully one day we are big enough that I don't have to wake up at 5AM on a Sunday to take care of something. But for now, that is part of the gig. I just know if I'm an SC2 player I try to play in everything I possibly can right now, 2AM, 4AM, 6PM, there are to few opportunities out there to make money and you don't know when that money pool will dry up.

If the Koreans choose to not participate, that is fine. Sometimes things just don't work out, but the NASL went above and beyond to provide more than any small tournament(in real world perspective all SC2 events are small) should have to. It almost sounds like the Koreans essentially want an appearance fee, pay us to show up. The stipends and accommodations provided balance off the chance of winning 40k for sure. Think of events like the World Series of Poker, something I think SC2 compares to more than other major sports, and people actually have to PAY to play in that.

The last point I want to make is that I think these Korean teams, struggling for sponsors and money, are being VERY short sighted not doing all they can to grow their brand in America. It could open up opportunities for sponsorships, additional revenue streams, growing fan base. These things you can't put a price on, and everyone knows you want to get the American demographic on board ,struggling economy and all there is still tons of disposable income here and to not try to get a slice of that seems irresponsible from a business point of view.