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On August 10 2011 04:39 masterbreti wrote:
Well I did call out FD just now and he responded by saying
예그렇다고합시다ㅜㅠ
so from what I understand of my Korean he is saying what I said is right. Which I called him a liar, and that he should be ashamed.
Lol you might want to take a step back and relax dude. Hitting them up on twitter or whatever just to nag seems lame.
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On August 10 2011 04:39 masterbreti wrote:
Well I did call out FD just now and he responded by saying
예그렇다고합시다ㅜㅠ
so from what I understand of my Korean he is saying what I said is right. Which I called him a liar, and that he should be ashamed.
What exactly did FD mean with that? So he still thinks that Lee stole the sponsorship money?
I think we are entering dramception lvl 7
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I don't think we'll ever know the truth of what happened. I think it's too much to assume if you take this announcement as truth at face value. It all seems really fishy to me. I doubt FD and trickster would make claims like they were making with 0 case at all. Puma leaving also must be a sign of something, unless one would rather instead try to believe that trickster, puma, and FD are all douchebags.
"we apologise for only thinking about our team's rights, and not thinking from coach lee's perspective and the potential relationship between our team and TSL" - I find it unsettling that it would be considered selfish to think about one's team's rights, but it's a different culture and all.
"after going through TSL's bank account details and records, we agreed there had been misunderstandings between us" - Why wouldn't the bank statements have been looked at in the first place during the original arbitration?
"as the head of the sc2 committee, i will hold myself responsible for the rash decision and subsequent harm to TSL that i took without regard to the severity of the situation, and resign as the head of the committee" - So now this coach steps down as head of the committee? I understand he made a mistake (or perhaps not, and there's something else going on) but it seems a bit rash.
Honestly I don't really care, but I just wanted to bring some perspective to the opinion flipping collective that is tl.
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On August 10 2011 04:39 masterbreti wrote:
Well I did call out FD just now and he responded by saying
예그렇다고합시다ㅜㅠ
so from what I understand of my Korean he is saying what I said is right. Which I called him a liar, and that he should be ashamed.
He said 'Let's say that's right T_T'. Obviously, there's more subtext in that than admitting he flat out lied. As the article said, there were many misunderstandings and signals getting mixed up. I'm sure FD & Trickster assumed some things when they shouldn't have, but I doubt they purposefully lied to defame or extort money from Coach Lee.
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This whole situation gets more confusing every week. I am glad that TSL is portrayed a lot friendlier these days and i am really happy that mama bear turned out, to not be the evil douchebag, like he was made out to be one week ago.
I am also happy that the ST-coach resigned from his post as head of the SC2Con, because not considering any drama, his actions are disgusting for someone who is supposed to be a the head of the organisation. An organisation thats supposed to protect the interests of ALL the teams and ALL the players, making accusations and even giving a statement that discredits a team-manager, and even attacks him on a professional and personal level, is not the way things should work.
@ FXOboss ever since you mentioned you would shed some light on the things going on behind the scenes of the SC2Con i was stalking you :-p (your posts). I really hope your statement will enlighten me. The korean scene seems to be run a bit different from what i know. I sometimes i dont understand how they do their things. Well i can just hope that the international SC2 scene stays strong, so that we dont have to give a shit about what a freaking corrupt korean organisation thinks about the game i love to watch (Kespa, maybe SC2Con). One more "p" and you will get disqualified SC2Con.
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Dont bother them on twitter about this, gawh just leave them alone they know what they did is wrong. And even coach lee doesnt want to see any punishment towards them.
They did (eventually , after all this drama) come clean about it.
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damn drama. good thing coach lee got cleared.
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On August 10 2011 04:49 Rucho wrote:
I don't think we'll ever know the truth of what happened. I think it's too much to assume if you take this announcement as truth at face value. It all seems really fishy to me. I doubt FD and trickster would make claims like they were making with 0 case at all. Puma leaving also must be a sign of something, unless one would rather instead try to believe that trickster, puma, and FD are all douchebags.
"we apologise for only thinking about our team's rights, and not thinking from coach lee's perspective and the potential relationship between our team and TSL" - I find it unsettling that it would be considered selfish to think about one's team's rights, but it's a different culture and all.
"after going through TSL's bank account details and records, we agreed there had been misunderstandings between us" - Why wouldn't the bank statements have been looked at in the first place during the original arbitration?
"as the head of the sc2 committee, i will hold myself responsible for the rash decision and subsequent harm to TSL that i took without regard to the severity of the situation, and resign as the head of the committee" - So now this coach steps down as head of the committee? I understand he made a mistake (or perhaps not, and there's something else going on) but it seems a bit rash.
Honestly I don't really care, but I just wanted to bring some perspective to the opinion flipping collective that is tl.
People are well known to lie their asses off, I don't see why FD and Tester are exempt from this rule?
Puma left (as far as I can tell) because Korean player salaries suck, and he wasn't even getting one at that. EG is the company with the $$$$$. I don't think he's a douchebag, he just saw a better deal on the table and went after it, good for him  .
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On August 10 2011 04:49 Rucho wrote:
I don't think we'll ever know the truth of what happened. I think it's too much to assume if you take this announcement as truth at face value. It all seems really fishy to me. I doubt FD and trickster would make claims like they were making with 0 case at all. Puma leaving also must be a sign of something, unless one would rather instead try to believe that trickster, puma, and FD are all douchebags.
"we apologise for only thinking about our team's rights, and not thinking from coach lee's perspective and the potential relationship between our team and TSL" - I find it unsettling that it would be considered selfish to think about one's team's rights, but it's a different culture and all.
"after going through TSL's bank account details and records, we agreed there had been misunderstandings between us" - Why wouldn't the bank statements have been looked at in the first place during the original arbitration?
"as the head of the sc2 committee, i will hold myself responsible for the rash decision and subsequent harm to TSL that i took without regard to the severity of the situation, and resign as the head of the committee" - So now this coach steps down as head of the committee? I understand he made a mistake (or perhaps not, and there's something else going on) but it seems a bit rash.
Honestly I don't really care, but I just wanted to bring some perspective to the opinion flipping collective that is tl.
He made a huge mistake and totally ruined the reputation of a reputable team. Coach lee came back and showed financial / bank statements showing that for the most part he payed FD and trickster on time while they were on the team, they were owed money after they left the team, and that was not payed, but since fruitdealer and trickster barely even showed up there is a reason they didnt get it i beleive.
I dont see how resigning seems a bit harsh? Seems not harsh enough for making such serious claims based off of 2 players oppinion and kicking TSL out of sc2con and ruining their reputation. Stepping down seems like the only appropriate course of action after such an emberrasiing debacle.
And trickster and FD are douchebags for lying about it, they got proven wrong with many of their statements through those bank statements/ financials (w/e it was) among other things, im still fans of them though maybe just a bit less. Hopefully they take things more seriously from now on.
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On August 10 2011 04:49 Rucho wrote:
I don't think we'll ever know the truth of what happened. I think it's too much to assume if you take this announcement as truth at face value. It all seems really fishy to me. I doubt FD and trickster would make claims like they were making with 0 case at all. Puma leaving also must be a sign of something, unless one would rather instead try to believe that trickster, puma, and FD are all douchebags.
"we apologise for only thinking about our team's rights, and not thinking from coach lee's perspective and the potential relationship between our team and TSL" - I find it unsettling that it would be considered selfish to think about one's team's rights, but it's a different culture and all.
"after going through TSL's bank account details and records, we agreed there had been misunderstandings between us" - Why wouldn't the bank statements have been looked at in the first place during the original arbitration?
"as the head of the sc2 committee, i will hold myself responsible for the rash decision and subsequent harm to TSL that i took without regard to the severity of the situation, and resign as the head of the committee" - So now this coach steps down as head of the committee? I understand he made a mistake (or perhaps not, and there's something else going on) but it seems a bit rash.
Honestly I don't really care, but I just wanted to bring some perspective to the opinion flipping collective that is tl.
Just so you are up to date. The StarTale Coach was the head of the organisation that persucuted the TSL Coach Mr Lee. In his statement the ST-Coach basicly admitts that he was not unbiased and that he made a rash decision, taking the statement of two players who were playing for him over the statement of the opposing side. Thus he did a poor job, because he should be unbiased as the head of the sc2con and he was not.
Why the bankstatement was not there in the first place? Well maybe coach lee did not expect that the statements about the payments would come up. Maybe because it now came out those statements were lies. So maybe he did not expect it and was not prepared to defend against that. And since he basicly was sentenced before he could bring the evidence the TSL coach felt treated unfairly and left.
Well or maybe we still have no real clue what the hell really happened :-p
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I tried not to get too involved in the whole drama surrounding TSL recently and i just cant help but feel sorry for them after all these shitstorms surrounding them which have all turned out to just be misunderstandings everytime i hope they can recover their "reputation" and not be seen as that team with plenty of controversy following them around.
ESPORTS fighting!
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It's nice to see that perhaps Coach Lee had not been so malicioius as it initially seemed, but I don't feel like this has really made TSL's management as a whole seem much better. Perhaps we can look at this and shift more blame towards FD and Tester, but at the end of the day it still looks to me like TSL was just a mess. I do hope they're taking measures to ensure their recent problems are not repeated.
Still, best of luck to all involved moving forward.
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Controversial, dramatical, unnecessary and emotional... the perfect combination to cause chaos...
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I really doubt this just turns everything back on FD and Tester, sounds more and more like a bad fit and both parties contributed to it, and they should be happy they split
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On August 10 2011 04:57 BlueFlames wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 04:49 Rucho wrote:
I don't think we'll ever know the truth of what happened. I think it's too much to assume if you take this announcement as truth at face value. It all seems really fishy to me. I doubt FD and trickster would make claims like they were making with 0 case at all. Puma leaving also must be a sign of something, unless one would rather instead try to believe that trickster, puma, and FD are all douchebags.
"we apologise for only thinking about our team's rights, and not thinking from coach lee's perspective and the potential relationship between our team and TSL" - I find it unsettling that it would be considered selfish to think about one's team's rights, but it's a different culture and all.
"after going through TSL's bank account details and records, we agreed there had been misunderstandings between us" - Why wouldn't the bank statements have been looked at in the first place during the original arbitration?
"as the head of the sc2 committee, i will hold myself responsible for the rash decision and subsequent harm to TSL that i took without regard to the severity of the situation, and resign as the head of the committee" - So now this coach steps down as head of the committee? I understand he made a mistake (or perhaps not, and there's something else going on) but it seems a bit rash.
Honestly I don't really care, but I just wanted to bring some perspective to the opinion flipping collective that is tl. Just so you are up to date. The StarTale Coach was the head of the organisation that persucuted the TSL Coach Mr Lee. In his statement the ST-Coach basicly admitts that he was not unbiased and that he made a rash decision, taking the statement of two players who were playing for him over the statement of the opposing side. Thus he did a poor job, because he should be unbiased as the head of the sc2con and he was not. Why the bankstatement was not there in the first place? Well maybe coach lee did not expect that the statements about the payments would come up. Maybe because it now came out those statements were lies. So maybe he did not expect it and was not prepared to defend against that. And since he basicly was sentenced before he could bring the evidence the TSL coach felt treated unfairly and left. Well or maybe we still have no real clue what the hell really happened :-p
Basically from what i understand about coach lee's statement from the previous post, he thought he was going to an sc2 con hearing for an open discussion, and everyone just started pointing fingers at him and making accusations, and then they made a decision about him having to pay a sum of money to FD Trickster .
Here is a quote fromm coach lee "The fact that this was judged so quickly by Tricker's views is regretful. We could not appeal the decision done by the comittee."
So they went there and the decision was made (he obviously didnt bring the bank statements with him) and he couldnt make an appeal.
Since then obviously he has got all the documents together to support his claims and show that FD and Trickster were lying , and thats where we are now.
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So I'm confused.
With regards to FD and Tester...were they...exaggerating their versions of the story or was everything just really, a huge misunderstanding?
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10 days in 1 month and not playing intern events etc isnt same as not practicing hard ... its not nice but i hope tester and FD will do better in ST
nice done overall by TSL coach in the end as it seems
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On August 10 2011 04:49 Rucho wrote:
I don't think we'll ever know the truth of what happened. I think it's too much to assume if you take this announcement as truth at face value. It all seems really fishy to me. I doubt FD and trickster would make claims like they were making with 0 case at all. Puma leaving also must be a sign of something, unless one would rather instead try to believe that trickster, puma, and FD are all douchebags.
I agree this whole thing seems to have a bit of unnatural feel to it.
"we apologise for only thinking about our team's rights, and not thinking from coach lee's perspective and the potential relationship between our team and TSL" - I find it unsettling that it would be considered selfish to think about one's team's rights, but it's a different culture and all.
It's not that looking after his own team was bad, it's that ST made alot of accusation which could directly affect TSL's sponsorship, and they could just decide to pull out their money. If ST coach didn't come clean, it is very safe to assume TSL would have a hard time finding future sponsors. In real world, you could get sued for this kind of accusation.
"after going through TSL's bank account details and records, we agreed there had been misunderstandings between us" - Why wouldn't the bank statements have been looked at in the first place during the original arbitration?
Initially Coach Lee claimed SC2 committee made a decision without hearing his side of story and made it clear there would be no appeal for coach Lee. Then they later changed stance and told he could.
"as the head of the sc2 committee, i will hold myself responsible for the rash decision and subsequent harm to TSL that i took without regard to the severity of the situation, and resign as the head of the committee" - So now this coach steps down as head of the committee? I understand he made a mistake (or perhaps not, and there's something else going on) but it seems a bit rash.
Honestly I don't really care, but I just wanted to bring some perspective to the opinion flipping collective that is tl.
I think the least ST coach could do was to resign. I fail to understand how would anyone think that's bit rash for him to do that.
However, I would agree with you that, there is no point trying to find 'the truth' in this matter. I mean, when ST coach comes out and admit that it was all false, it is probably a good idea to just go with the story whether you see something strange or not. If anything, speculating at this point when ST coach himself made a statement like that would be unreasonable.
I don't care if I really believe the whole thing or not. This case is pretty much settled as far as I'm concerned and I dont want to waste my brain cell anymore trying to make a sense out of it. There is no need to.
Till another story comes out that is.
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It's nice to see that perhaps Coach Lee had not been so malicioius as it initially seemed, but I don't feel like this has really made TSL's management as a whole seem much better. Perhaps we can look at this and shift more blame towards FD and Tester, but at the end of the day it still looks to me like TSL was just a mess. I do hope they're taking measures to ensure their recent problems are not repeated.
Still, best of luck to all involved moving forward.
On August 10 2011 05:03 Demidyne wrote:
I really doubt this just turns everything back on FD and Tester, sounds more and more like a bad fit and both parties contributed to it, and they should be happy they split
Even though FD and Trickster pretty much admitted they were wrong / exxagerating about pretty much everything. You still continue to blame TSL? Obviously i think coach lee could have handeled it better, but from the sounds of it TSL wasnt in the wrong at all , judging by the fact that 1. Coach won has resigned from head of sc2con
2. More measures most likely would have been taken against fruitdealer and trickster but coach lee said he didnt want to see them punished.
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On August 10 2011 03:37 Chargelot wrote:
You know what?
I just don't care anymore.
Minus 100% respect for TSL, the players, and the coach. They shouldn't be involved in any of this stupid shit. Also, I have no respect for the committee, who apparently just believes everything they're told, and shoots first then asks questions later.
Dear God, it's like this was all planned for attention. Seems like Korean E-Sports is run by a bunch of eleven year olds.
This man knows where it's at. I wholeheartedly agree with him, and while there are some things that don't make sense in this entire case, I just don't fucking care anymore. I hope, as punishment, the ST coach forces Trickster and FruitDealer to put in significantly longer practice hours so we can finally see some results. Having said that ...
On August 10 2011 01:21 Horse...falcon wrote:
Well this is an entirely larger clusterfuck altogether. Fruitdealer, Tester, and Coach Lee are actually international criminal barons vying for control of the illegal soju market. As an alibi they became progamers/managers of SC2 teams to mislead interpol. Unfortunately their lack of practice/appearance at the teamhouse gave them away and FD/Tester attempted to give up Coach Lee to the authorities only to have it backfire on them.
Seriously though I want to see how this mess ends before the raging starts.
Incoming fanfiction! With some FruitDealer x Trickster thrown in, of course. It will be epic. I'll notify you guys when it's done.
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