EPT[July] TLPD Race Winrate Graphs - Page 12
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nt-rAven
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HolyArrow
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On August 07 2011 15:48 Inori wrote: FB: 9 Range EMP: 13 Range FB: single target EMP: AoE FB: expensive T3 tech unit EMP: T1.5 unit FB: HT very slow; not that hard to spot unit. EMP: Ghost can cloak. Run speed is same as rest of the army, so gets hidden easly between MM ball. you were saying? EMP actually has 10 range. Please don't make Protoss players look bad by posting blatant misinformation... | ||
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nt-rAven
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ShootingStars
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Darclite
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On August 07 2011 15:44 nt-rAven wrote: obviously you dont know much about other races if you think im saying protoss is op in that post 1. I'm pretty sure Gatored is a high grandmaster, so I don't think that's a very good argument. 2. You said feedback is one of the easiest spells to use effectively after someone compared it to EMP; considering a single EMP can prevent any feedbacks from being used and the toss needs to feedback every ghost to prevent EMPS (and EMP outranges feedback, having 10+2 range vs. Feedback's 9), I think he figured you weren't exactly clear on the details of the EMP vs. Feedback or just thought you were balance whining. | ||
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Zealot Lord
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On August 07 2011 14:47 SafeAsCheese wrote: Dommk been complaining abut protoss being too weak since that account was created, way way back in the LR threads  Even when protoss was owning everyone except the best of the best terrans. thats the thing which personally bothers me the most actually =( aside from MC and maybe Naniwa's undefeated BoX streak, protoss never at one point really 'dominated', it was pretty much all exaggeration imho. If it was true, then surely protoss should have more than just 1 month of being the race with the highest win rates (be it international or just korean scene) since release no? | ||
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HolyArrow
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On August 07 2011 15:52 Inori wrote: Sorry, it's actually 12. 10 range + 2 from AoE. Please look into stuff before trying to make others look bad. No, it's 10. AoE is different from range, so nice try, but I know what I'm talking about. If you want to talk about true range, then sure, but typically, when people talk about range, they don't factor in AoE. Either way, you were giving EMP too much range, and it looks bad when you're trying to make an argument for Protoss. | ||
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repEAT
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tuho12345
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On August 07 2011 15:47 nt-rAven wrote: feedback is so easy to use no offense you can spam it just get more hts then you are getting and spread them out across 4 control groups and u will have np......~ goodluck laddering 1/Getting HTs to just fb = no storm and not enough colossus to execute the Terran army cuz they're both gas heavy units. 2/Tell me how many control groups do you use for your terran army? I assume M/M/M/G/V = 5 control groups? You must be some hidden gosu in TL here lol | ||
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Yew
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On August 07 2011 15:54 repEAT wrote: Someone should re run these without MC, Nestea, and MVP. Should get a better feel for the average pro by removing the outliers. Then Protoss would be doing even worse >_> | ||
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nt-rAven
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repEAT
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Not necessarily. Protoss gets a ton of wins from MC, but Nestea and MVP give them a lot of losses as well. | ||
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illumn
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On August 07 2011 15:57 nt-rAven wrote: yes i said feedback is one of the easiest spells to use expesically when you put it aside something like marine micro or marien splitting, it is one of the easiest things to do in the game and i am a protosss, just get obs in position, wait for the proper timing and go, it is really easy but then again back in the day people thought forcefeilds were hard to do..... get with the times!!! its called splitting your hts into different control groups lol wow its so fucking hard guys to press control button No one is saying feedback is hard to use. They are saying it isn't easier to use than, say, EMP or Snipe. | ||
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nt-rAven
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HolyArrow
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On August 07 2011 15:56 Inori wrote: ??? wtf are you talking about? With HT I can hit Ghost with FB from maximum 9 range. With Ghost I can hit HT with EMP from maximum 12 range. Just because it's not written directly in-game doesn't mean it's not there, lol. Here's the problem. I pointed out blatant misinformation in your post, and you retaliate by trying to nitpick semantics with my post. Check out liquipedia: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/EMP See that box in the upper right? Range: 10. What did I say in my post? EMP has 10 range. I never said that EMP has 10 true/maximum range, and if I said that, I would indeed be wrong. But I didn't say that. | ||
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illumn
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On August 07 2011 16:01 HolyArrow wrote: Here's the problem. I pointed out blatant misinformation in your post, and you retaliate by trying to nitpick semantics with my post. Check out liquipedia: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/EMP See that box in the upper right? Range: 10. What did I say in my post? EMP has 10 range. I never said that EMP has 10 true/maximum range, and if I said that, I would indeed be wrong. But I didn't say that. This is a stupid argument. He didn't say it had a cast range of 13 [sic] either. You are just nitpicking at each other while saying the exact same thing. | ||
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HolyArrow
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On August 07 2011 16:03 illumn wrote: This is a stupid argument. He didn't say it had a cast range of 13 [sic] either. You are just nitpicking at each other while saying the exact same thing. If he had said EMP had 12 range, I would have understood what he meant, since it's reasonable to say that a 10-range AoE attack with a radius of 2 has 12 effective range. But he said the range was 13, and no matter what definition of range he was talking about, 13 is flat out wrong, so my original point stands. I fail to see how we're saying the exact same thing. I don't really know how to be clearer on this -_-;; If a guy says EMP has 13 range, he is wrong, no matter what definition of range he uses. If someone says EMP has 10 range, he is indeed right with the assumption that you're talking about cast range. | ||
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