On August 02 2011 02:17 Ravnemesteren wrote: Best would be to invite all promising code B like DongRaeGu. Not GSL champs.
strongly disagree!
So you just want to see the GSL champions rape foreigners? I don't see the fun in that. Its like mixing paralympics with the olympics... Its not fun to watch.
iv already posted a couple times in this thread as to why i disagree.. basically i hate the idea of tailoring the invites for non-code s players and think the invites should be invited regardless of what code they are in.. otherwise its more like a personal invite to code s..
On August 02 2011 02:17 Ravnemesteren wrote: I dislike putting a korean in each pool. Its like giving 4 koreans "code S" for MLG for the season. And the whole player exchange is not working at all. It seems GOM wants foreigners to come to GSL. But instead we get koreans coming over to get the code S spot. Ganzi and Rain got through the open bracket and kicked ass. I love that they participate, but the invites seem to random. Its not like they have to get top 4 code S or top 4 code A to get into pool play... its just some random korean players.
And why O why 2 more terran players. Nearly all the broadcasted games from Anaheim was with korean terrans. I have gotten my share of blueflame hellion battles for this year. So many cool matchups we missed just to show EVERY damn korean game (well not all of them, but close). QXC played extremely well (seems like the all kill was justified), but he got knocked out by Demuslim (I used to looove his play, so I would have liked to see how he beat qxc).
But inviting Bomber and MVP is a bad idea unless they invite the same caliber toss and zerg. You need MC and Nestea to get up to MVP's level (when he is playing his best). So it feels kinda stupid if they continue with inviting several top terrans and 1-2 code-B from other races. You guarantee top 4-5 terran... which is super boring imo.
Best would be to invite all promising code B like DongRaeGu. Not GSL champs.
Not invited top Koreans in order to give foreigners a chance will completely cheapen the tournament.
The reason there's so many Terrans invited is because a disproportionately large number of top Koreans are Terrans, probably as high as 75%.
Even as a massive Koreans fanboy who prefers watching Koreans to foreigners every time I do agree it's a bit of a shame that there are no LAN's for just foreigners to compete at (online tournaments aren't the same excitement) but MLG is infinitely better since Koreans started coming.
Also the willing foreigners are doing much better out of the exchange than Koreans. Guys like Thorzain, Naniwa, Fenix and Sheth all got Code A spots from it (chances are none of them would have made it through the Code B sharkpool) and from this MLG we'll get a futher four, potentially Sjow, Socke, Moonan, Select and others, all of whom would struggle to qualify for Code A normally.
Yeah, but I would have liked to see the koreans go through open bracket at least. Just giving players that will surely rip through the pools a free invite into pool is weird imo. Chae from GOM was even dissapointed that no foreigner wanted to participate in GSL (well close to non), so it seems to me that they wanted to exchange program so that they could get foreigners into GSL... not a backdoor into GSL for koreans.
Putting all the Koreans into the open brackets would be insane because: A) The Pool Play would be a waste time of time, no one would care about the games because it would just be a practice until the Korean turns up from the Open Bracket and goes 5-0. B) The Open Bracket would be impossible for non Korean pro to make it out of. The purpose of the Open Bracket is to allow lesser known players a chance of a lifetime. Not for 10 Korean ringers to completely dominate everyone. None of the EU teams would bother sending players anymore because there's so little chance of them making it out of the Open Bracket and therefore it's not worth their money.
Seeding the Koreans was by far the best option, anyone saying otherwise has really not thought it through.
Not thought it through? Fits for your statement. Its not like the open bracket is a chance a "chance of a lifetime" for a young brooding gamer. The nonamers go there to prove themselves. If they get knocked out by a korean they will have a blast and will have the chance to play one of the worlds best in a tournament enviroment. How is that not gauging your skill level?
And you say no foreigner could get out of open bracket? Why did Tyler? Why did Tod beat Alicia? Its not like any non established pro can get out of open bracket anyways. If you can't beat the elite you will never get through.
On August 02 2011 02:17 Ravnemesteren wrote: Best would be to invite all promising code B like DongRaeGu. Not GSL champs.
strongly disagree!
So you just want to see the GSL champions rape foreigners? I don't see the fun in that. Its like mixing paralympics with the olympics... Its not fun to watch.
Code B players would still rape foreigners. GSL champs just rape them even harder. No homo here.
I'd really love to see some lesser known Koreans go, like Tassadar/sanZenith/Sage/Line/GuineaPig/Leenock instead of all those "big big names", because the matches with Nestea playing are going to be kinda boring except for a select few (against the other big names)
On August 02 2011 02:47 Xorphene wrote: Hope NesTea comes over <3
Thing is, with nestea, mvp and bomber here we won't actually have good games until these guys play each other in the semis. All other games will just be complete rape.
On August 02 2011 02:47 Xorphene wrote: Hope NesTea comes over <3
Thing is, with nestea, mvp and bomber here we won't actually have good games until these guys play each other in the semis. All other games will just be complete rape.
There is the scramble for 7th place that may be somewhat competitive. The problem I see with inviting Nestea is that he will just constantly be defending his MLG title. We won't get to see any new Koreans.
On August 02 2011 02:17 Ravnemesteren wrote: I dislike putting a korean in each pool. Its like giving 4 koreans "code S" for MLG for the season. And the whole player exchange is not working at all. It seems GOM wants foreigners to come to GSL. But instead we get koreans coming over to get the code S spot. Ganzi and Rain got through the open bracket and kicked ass. I love that they participate, but the invites seem to random. Its not like they have to get top 4 code S or top 4 code A to get into pool play... its just some random korean players.
And why O why 2 more terran players. Nearly all the broadcasted games from Anaheim was with korean terrans. I have gotten my share of blueflame hellion battles for this year. So many cool matchups we missed just to show EVERY damn korean game (well not all of them, but close). QXC played extremely well (seems like the all kill was justified), but he got knocked out by Demuslim (I used to looove his play, so I would have liked to see how he beat qxc).
But inviting Bomber and MVP is a bad idea unless they invite the same caliber toss and zerg. You need MC and Nestea to get up to MVP's level (when he is playing his best). So it feels kinda stupid if they continue with inviting several top terrans and 1-2 code-B from other races. You guarantee top 4-5 terran... which is super boring imo.
Best would be to invite all promising code B like DongRaeGu. Not GSL champs.
Not invited top Koreans in order to give foreigners a chance will completely cheapen the tournament.
The reason there's so many Terrans invited is because a disproportionately large number of top Koreans are Terrans, probably as high as 75%.
Even as a massive Koreans fanboy who prefers watching Koreans to foreigners every time I do agree it's a bit of a shame that there are no LAN's for just foreigners to compete at (online tournaments aren't the same excitement) but MLG is infinitely better since Koreans started coming.
Also the willing foreigners are doing much better out of the exchange than Koreans. Guys like Thorzain, Naniwa, Fenix and Sheth all got Code A spots from it (chances are none of them would have made it through the Code B sharkpool) and from this MLG we'll get a futher four, potentially Sjow, Socke, Moonan, Select and others, all of whom would struggle to qualify for Code A normally.
Yeah, but I would have liked to see the koreans go through open bracket at least. Just giving players that will surely rip through the pools a free invite into pool is weird imo. Chae from GOM was even dissapointed that no foreigner wanted to participate in GSL (well close to non), so it seems to me that they wanted to exchange program so that they could get foreigners into GSL... not a backdoor into GSL for koreans.
Putting all the Koreans into the open brackets would be insane because: A) The Pool Play would be a waste time of time, no one would care about the games because it would just be a practice until the Korean turns up from the Open Bracket and goes 5-0. B) The Open Bracket would be impossible for non Korean pro to make it out of. The purpose of the Open Bracket is to allow lesser known players a chance of a lifetime. Not for 10 Korean ringers to completely dominate everyone. None of the EU teams would bother sending players anymore because there's so little chance of them making it out of the Open Bracket and therefore it's not worth their money.
Seeding the Koreans was by far the best option, anyone saying otherwise has really not thought it through.
Not thought it through? Fits for your statement. Its not like the open bracket is a chance a "chance of a lifetime" for a young brooding gamer. The nonamers go there to prove themselves. If they get knocked out by a korean they will have a blast and will have the chance to play one of the worlds best in a tournament enviroment. How is that not gauging your skill level?
And you say no foreigner could get out of open bracket? Why did Tyler? Why did Tod beat Alicia? Its not like any non established pro can get out of open bracket anyways. If you can't beat the elite you will never get through.
Think before you type, mate.
If MVP, DRG, Ganzi, Alicia, Choya, Oz, Rain, MMA and Boxer are all in the open bracket then four Koreans are getting through the Open Bracket. End of story.
Clearly you find this hard to understand for some reason, but yes the guys who took top six and all lost 0 games in pool play to non-Koreans would also destroy the open bracket.
This would also make it impossible for non-Koreans currently in pool play to ever drop down unless all the Koreans return everytime and even more impossible for non-Koreans not in pool play to make it to be seeded next time.
And if Koreans are playing through the open bracket then foreigners should have to play Code B and lose just like the FXO guys did.
I think Korea number is OK actually. Maybe mix up their races better.
It forces foreigners to step up in training (sweden house, EG house, FXO in Korea), and it's a good thing. MLG is THE place where koreans clash foreigners. At the moment they're better and the gap is becoming bigger. Time for foreigners to really train. I love how it is actually and i'm pumped for next one, hoping Nestea would come.
On August 02 2011 02:17 Ravnemesteren wrote: I dislike putting a korean in each pool. Its like giving 4 koreans "code S" for MLG for the season. And the whole player exchange is not working at all. It seems GOM wants foreigners to come to GSL. But instead we get koreans coming over to get the code S spot. Ganzi and Rain got through the open bracket and kicked ass. I love that they participate, but the invites seem to random. Its not like they have to get top 4 code S or top 4 code A to get into pool play... its just some random korean players.
And why O why 2 more terran players. Nearly all the broadcasted games from Anaheim was with korean terrans. I have gotten my share of blueflame hellion battles for this year. So many cool matchups we missed just to show EVERY damn korean game (well not all of them, but close). QXC played extremely well (seems like the all kill was justified), but he got knocked out by Demuslim (I used to looove his play, so I would have liked to see how he beat qxc).
But inviting Bomber and MVP is a bad idea unless they invite the same caliber toss and zerg. You need MC and Nestea to get up to MVP's level (when he is playing his best). So it feels kinda stupid if they continue with inviting several top terrans and 1-2 code-B from other races. You guarantee top 4-5 terran... which is super boring imo.
Best would be to invite all promising code B like DongRaeGu. Not GSL champs.
Not invited top Koreans in order to give foreigners a chance will completely cheapen the tournament.
The reason there's so many Terrans invited is because a disproportionately large number of top Koreans are Terrans, probably as high as 75%.
Even as a massive Koreans fanboy who prefers watching Koreans to foreigners every time I do agree it's a bit of a shame that there are no LAN's for just foreigners to compete at (online tournaments aren't the same excitement) but MLG is infinitely better since Koreans started coming.
Also the willing foreigners are doing much better out of the exchange than Koreans. Guys like Thorzain, Naniwa, Fenix and Sheth all got Code A spots from it (chances are none of them would have made it through the Code B sharkpool) and from this MLG we'll get a futher four, potentially Sjow, Socke, Moonan, Select and others, all of whom would struggle to qualify for Code A normally.
Yeah, but I would have liked to see the koreans go through open bracket at least. Just giving players that will surely rip through the pools a free invite into pool is weird imo. Chae from GOM was even dissapointed that no foreigner wanted to participate in GSL (well close to non), so it seems to me that they wanted to exchange program so that they could get foreigners into GSL... not a backdoor into GSL for koreans.
Putting all the Koreans into the open brackets would be insane because: A) The Pool Play would be a waste time of time, no one would care about the games because it would just be a practice until the Korean turns up from the Open Bracket and goes 5-0. B) The Open Bracket would be impossible for non Korean pro to make it out of. The purpose of the Open Bracket is to allow lesser known players a chance of a lifetime. Not for 10 Korean ringers to completely dominate everyone. None of the EU teams would bother sending players anymore because there's so little chance of them making it out of the Open Bracket and therefore it's not worth their money.
Seeding the Koreans was by far the best option, anyone saying otherwise has really not thought it through.
Not thought it through? Fits for your statement. Its not like the open bracket is a chance a "chance of a lifetime" for a young brooding gamer. The nonamers go there to prove themselves. If they get knocked out by a korean they will have a blast and will have the chance to play one of the worlds best in a tournament enviroment. How is that not gauging your skill level?
And you say no foreigner could get out of open bracket? Why did Tyler? Why did Tod beat Alicia? Its not like any non established pro can get out of open bracket anyways. If you can't beat the elite you will never get through.
Think before you type, mate.
If MVP, DRG, Ganzi, Alicia, Choya, Oz, Rain, MMA and Boxer are all in the open bracket then four Koreans are getting through the Open Bracket. End of story.
Clearly you find this hard to understand for some reason, but yes the guys who took top six and all lost 0 games in pool play to non-Koreans would also destroy the open bracket.
This would also make it impossible for non-Koreans currently in pool play to ever drop down unless all the Koreans return everytime and even more impossible for non-Koreans not in pool play to make it to be seeded next time.
And if Koreans are playing through the open bracket then foreigners should have to play Code B and lose just like the FXO guys did.
No, it would not make it any less possible for non koreans to not drop down. If what you said was true, they would get the same results in pool and the same points. Its your final standing that decides your points.
Also the koreans would also knock each other out in the bracket. Yes, its very likely that 4 koreans would get through, I won't deny that. But only established pro players and koreans get through anyways. And remember that koreans were knocked out.
Your whole point is mute. According to you teams send in some new players so they can dodge koreans until they get into pool play and get trounced by everyone there, and humiliated by the koreans. Thats not how it works.
Yeah, but I would have liked to see the koreans go through open bracket at least. Just giving players that will surely rip through the pools a free invite into pool is weird imo. Chae from GOM was even dissapointed that no foreigner wanted to participate in GSL (well close to non), so it seems to me that they wanted to exchange program so that they could get foreigners into GSL... not a backdoor into GSL for koreans.
Says something about the commitment of most foreigners I guess.
On August 02 2011 02:17 Ravnemesteren wrote: I dislike putting a korean in each pool. Its like giving 4 koreans "code S" for MLG for the season. And the whole player exchange is not working at all. It seems GOM wants foreigners to come to GSL. But instead we get koreans coming over to get the code S spot. Ganzi and Rain got through the open bracket and kicked ass. I love that they participate, but the invites seem to random. Its not like they have to get top 4 code S or top 4 code A to get into pool play... its just some random korean players.
And why O why 2 more terran players. Nearly all the broadcasted games from Anaheim was with korean terrans. I have gotten my share of blueflame hellion battles for this year. So many cool matchups we missed just to show EVERY damn korean game (well not all of them, but close). QXC played extremely well (seems like the all kill was justified), but he got knocked out by Demuslim (I used to looove his play, so I would have liked to see how he beat qxc).
But inviting Bomber and MVP is a bad idea unless they invite the same caliber toss and zerg. You need MC and Nestea to get up to MVP's level (when he is playing his best). So it feels kinda stupid if they continue with inviting several top terrans and 1-2 code-B from other races. You guarantee top 4-5 terran... which is super boring imo.
Best would be to invite all promising code B like DongRaeGu. Not GSL champs.
Not invited top Koreans in order to give foreigners a chance will completely cheapen the tournament.
The reason there's so many Terrans invited is because a disproportionately large number of top Koreans are Terrans, probably as high as 75%.
Even as a massive Koreans fanboy who prefers watching Koreans to foreigners every time I do agree it's a bit of a shame that there are no LAN's for just foreigners to compete at (online tournaments aren't the same excitement) but MLG is infinitely better since Koreans started coming.
Also the willing foreigners are doing much better out of the exchange than Koreans. Guys like Thorzain, Naniwa, Fenix and Sheth all got Code A spots from it (chances are none of them would have made it through the Code B sharkpool) and from this MLG we'll get a futher four, potentially Sjow, Socke, Moonan, Select and others, all of whom would struggle to qualify for Code A normally.
Yeah, but I would have liked to see the koreans go through open bracket at least. Just giving players that will surely rip through the pools a free invite into pool is weird imo. Chae from GOM was even dissapointed that no foreigner wanted to participate in GSL (well close to non), so it seems to me that they wanted to exchange program so that they could get foreigners into GSL... not a backdoor into GSL for koreans.
Putting all the Koreans into the open brackets would be insane because: A) The Pool Play would be a waste time of time, no one would care about the games because it would just be a practice until the Korean turns up from the Open Bracket and goes 5-0. B) The Open Bracket would be impossible for non Korean pro to make it out of. The purpose of the Open Bracket is to allow lesser known players a chance of a lifetime. Not for 10 Korean ringers to completely dominate everyone. None of the EU teams would bother sending players anymore because there's so little chance of them making it out of the Open Bracket and therefore it's not worth their money.
Seeding the Koreans was by far the best option, anyone saying otherwise has really not thought it through.
Not thought it through? Fits for your statement. Its not like the open bracket is a chance a "chance of a lifetime" for a young brooding gamer. The nonamers go there to prove themselves. If they get knocked out by a korean they will have a blast and will have the chance to play one of the worlds best in a tournament enviroment. How is that not gauging your skill level?
And you say no foreigner could get out of open bracket? Why did Tyler? Why did Tod beat Alicia? Its not like any non established pro can get out of open bracket anyways. If you can't beat the elite you will never get through.
Think before you type, mate.
If MVP, DRG, Ganzi, Alicia, Choya, Oz, Rain, MMA and Boxer are all in the open bracket then four Koreans are getting through the Open Bracket. End of story.
Clearly you find this hard to understand for some reason, but yes the guys who took top six and all lost 0 games in pool play to non-Koreans would also destroy the open bracket.
This would also make it impossible for non-Koreans currently in pool play to ever drop down unless all the Koreans return everytime and even more impossible for non-Koreans not in pool play to make it to be seeded next time.
And if Koreans are playing through the open bracket then foreigners should have to play Code B and lose just like the FXO guys did.
No, it would not make it any less possible for non koreans to not drop down. If what you said was true, they would get the same results in pool and the same points. Its your final standing that decides your points.
Also the koreans would also knock each other out in the bracket. Yes, its very likely that 4 koreans would get through, I won't deny that. But only established pro players and koreans get through anyways. And remember that koreans were knocked out.
Your whole point is mute. According to you teams send in some new players so they can dodge koreans until they get into pool play and get trounced by everyone there, and humiliated by the koreans. Thats not how it works.
If you're in pool play you can't finish lower than like 24th. Given 16 spots are pool, the next 6 open bracket spots would likely be Koreans you're at place 22. So the chance of a non Korean finishing higher than a seeded non korean enough times to overtake them in points is extremely slim.
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