MLG previously announced that STBomber and IMMvp had been invited to Raleigh, and that STBomber had gladly accepted. We regret that Mvp will not be able to return to defend his title in Raleigh, and we hope to see him at future events. We can now tell you who will be joining Bomber in Raleigh. Hold onto your hats. Here is the full, confirmed list of Korean pro players:
STBomber ZeNexCoca STTester (Trickster) oGsNada Two Terrans, one Protoss, and one Zerg. And—it bears repeating—Nada.
In addition to the four players invited as part of the League Exchange Program, we are incredibly happy to announce that MVPDongRaeGu and FnaticRain have decided to return on their own, and they each have enough Rank Points to make it into the Pools.
We can also confirm that FXOChoya will be returning to the Pro Circuit, along with his teammate, TheBest. We're excited to have TheBest, and to have Choya back. They will both be playing in the Open Bracket, where Choya will of course be seeded highly thanks to his performance in Anaheim.
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STBomber, ZeNexCoca, STTester, (Trickster), oGsNada HAVE BEEN INVITED
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EDIT: Mods I believe this thread should be closed now that Slasher posted the MLG version of this information. Bit late there Slasher >.> Anyways Close please.
Well, it was clear that they would invite Bomber. But with 2 terrans, chances are slim that they invite another won (read: MMA). Let's hope he will be flown into the states by his team.
though with his MLG earnings he has more than enough to buy himself a couple of flights.
One of these two players are gonna win it, calling it now. .
Im excited to see more bomber play however I hope they don't invite more terrans. Anaheim was top 4 terrans and even though TvT is the MU i like watching, It got boring after a while.
My preferred system for invites: Defending champ (assuming he's Korean), then 1 GSL player from each race. That way the only race that gets doubled up is for the defending champ.
As far as first two invites, certainly can't complain about the caliber of players.
On August 02 2011 01:05 Hardigan wrote: well, it looks like a Terran will win again^^ but nothing against that, Korean T are really looking super strong
It's not TvX, it's KvX, obv.
Just invite BoxeR again MLG (I think they invited him right? If they didn't, he should just go again), it pretty much gives you 5 million stream views ezpz.
Not really surprised Bomber got an invite since he was supposed to be at Columbus but didn't make it due to, if I recall correctly, visa related stuff.
Hope they invite more a Zerg and Protoss to round up the group. I'm hoping they send Nestea and Puzzle, but I don't really think that will happen though.
I don't think MMA will go this time. If my calculations are not wrong, he's quite likely to get a Providence invite already and may want to stay back to practice. I'm more hoping to see other SlayerS players get flown in instead for more exposure, maybe someone like Ryung, and maybe a repeat from Boxer
I play terran but I really hope the last two are protoss or zerg (or 1 each). Korean Terrans are so good that they are garaunteed to be at the top, wouldn't be suprised to see Bomber and MVP in the finals. Need to get Nestea and...hmm, what other Protoss besides MC would be good? Killer? Puzzle? Sage? I dunno.
But really awesome we will finally get to see Bomber, Korean Terrans are SOO good!
Aw I was hoping it would be nada. Oh well I think he can probably afford to take himself if he really wants to go. I'd like to see MKP but his chances are pretty slim being a terran.
Hmm I don't know theres so many likeable korean terrans, I have trouble thinking of a zerg/protoss that hasn't already been. I'd probably want to see TSL.killer, I think he'd be a great stage personality for MLG. I'd like to see the the zenex players too, I think puzzle and coca are pretty awesome. and of course theres the obvious one everyone wants to see, nestea, but he will probably be too busy owning up gsl to go.
MC really is a must. Screw the exchange program, MLG needs to ship him over even if he has to go through the open bracket. The man is such a character(or showman), makes everything so much more fun. Wish Losira would come back(or nestea, but I think he might be to busy practicing and winning), need still awesome players but less TvTs. Shame the Korean terrans are so good :/
On August 02 2011 01:07 sermokala wrote: I'm calling it now. Nestea is coming over for providence. The Swarm will roar.
it wouldnt make sense for him to come if he makes it deep into GSL. for someone in his position, if he makes it far hes got a damn good shot of taking it and the prize is like 8x times+ more than MLG.
should have put spoiler tags in the op, now everyone knows who's top 2 long before the event happens
serously, these guys are so good. won't be surprised if maximalist foreigner players like naniwa don't even show up after seeing who's invited from korea
On August 02 2011 01:10 Micket wrote: Can MMA come back as a non exchange guy, he has enough points for pool play I'm sure.
I'm pretty sure that, considering the way SlayerS played at MLG, we probably won't be having any short supply of MMA or BoxeR on US soil. Besides, I'm pretty sure Jessica paid for Ganzi to go, don't see why she wouldn't make sure at least MMA would go, considering his great MLG successes.
On August 02 2011 01:10 Antoine wrote: after these two i'd love to see Nestea and Puzzle invited, with nada and mc sent by sk hopefully
There would be 0 chance of anyone getting the Code S spot though if that happened, since a group like that is bound to take top 3
The other 2 people they decide to send should be in Code A/B. That way if Bomber/MVP take #1 and 2, it still leaves a code S spot open for the next Korean
On August 02 2011 01:07 sermokala wrote: I'm calling it now. Nestea is coming over for providence. The Swarm will roar.
it wouldnt make sense for him to come if he makes it deep into GSL. for someone in his position, if he makes it far hes got a damn good shot of taking it and the prize is like 8x times+ more than MLG.
Providence, afaik is the MLG finals. With 50k first place. So it absolutely makes sense for Nestea to come.
On August 02 2011 01:10 Micket wrote: Can MMA come back as a non exchange guy, he has enough points for pool play I'm sure.
I'm pretty sure that, considering the way SlayerS played at MLG, we probably won't be having any short supply of MMA or BoxeR on US soil. Besides, I'm pretty sure Jessica paid for Ganzi to go, don't see why she wouldn't make sure at least MMA would go, considering his great MLG successes.
Aye, I mean Boxer did say he wanted people to think of Slayers when they thought of MLG. But yer, anyone have a link to the pool points? MMA must have enough, placing 1st and ...+ Show Spoiler +
One problem I see with MC and Nestea at the moment is that both of these players are at a high skilled level, therefore they are likely to get very far or in the finals of GSL. And because the finals take place while MLG goes on (I think so, not too sure) they cannot be sent, UNLESS GSL finals and MLG takes place in the same place?
On August 02 2011 01:17 Axel.Bowex wrote: One problem I see with MC and Nestea at the moment is that both of these players are at a high skilled level, therefore they are likely to get very far or in the finals of GSL. And because the finals take place while MLG goes on (I think so, not too sure) they cannot be sent, UNLESS GSL finals and MLG takes place in the same place?
MLG Raleigh will take place between the Ro16 and Ro8 of Code S.
On August 02 2011 01:10 Antoine wrote: after these two i'd love to see Nestea and Puzzle invited, with nada and mc sent by sk hopefully
There would be 0 chance of anyone getting the Code S spot though if that happened, since a group like that is bound to take top 3
The other 2 people they decide to send should be in Code A/B. That way if Bomber/MVP take #1 and 2, it still leaves a code S spot open for the next Korean
This is what i dont like about giving out a code s spot to the mlg winner.. it should be there for someone who earns it, not a place to send players who arent already code s, so that they can simply come top 3 and win it because no other code s calibre players were there..
If it gets to the point where you send 2 korean monsters from code s, then send only code a/b players so that someone can get the code s spot you may aswell just send out personal invites.. it becomes a joke really..
I think it's pretty much a guarantee that MMA will be here, if he would have won he would have had the #1 rank. Though I haven't checked, I'm sure he's 2nd or 3rd place in the rankings right now. It would be silly for him not to return.
I also hope Boxer returns as well. This was my favorite MLG by far, and a big part of that was because of the Boxer storyline. I can't even begin to imagine the reaction if Boxer would have taken 1st place. He had me on the edge of my chair at home, cheering out loud to myself.
Excited to see Bomber though, and to see if MVP can pull it off again.
Bomber's attendance has been confirmed for a while really, the only reason he didn't get a slot at Anaheim was because he was still in the GSL and there was a schedule clash with finals & MLG.
Hopefully MVP decides to return to defend his title.
I'm super excited to see if SlayerS return under their own power, they've got 2 players with enough points to be seeded into pool play anyway now, and certainly from Boxers PoV it's an angle at Code S + there's a chance at a big tournament for the end of season finals.
Nestea has said he would love to participate in foreign tournaments but GSL is priority. Heres to hoping he gets kicked out of GSL early enough to get a MLG invite
About NesTea, I'm sure that is the biggest MLG wish for quite some time, but if NesTea keeps on playing like this, he won't be leaving Korea for quite some time due to schedule conflicts.
Why is MLG hating protoss? I don't get it........ You have 4 invitees for pool play and they decide to invite 3 terrans and 1 zerg? Seriously? What's the problem guys? There is no qualifier or something so they have no problem inviting any korean pro but they still decide not to invite protosses in pool play. I feel seriously offended. MLG Anaheim was totally ignorant and didn't cast important games of Huk, Naniwa and IdrA so they can cast more TvT and now this. Who is responsible for the invitees? I really want to know his logic in choosing which players to invite.
On August 02 2011 01:10 Antoine wrote: after these two i'd love to see Nestea and Puzzle invited, with nada and mc sent by sk hopefully
There would be 0 chance of anyone getting the Code S spot though if that happened, since a group like that is bound to take top 3
The other 2 people they decide to send should be in Code A/B. That way if Bomber/MVP take #1 and 2, it still leaves a code S spot open for the next Korean
This is what i dont like about giving out a code s spot to the mlg winner.. it should be there for someone who earns it, not a place to send players who arent already code s, so that they can simply come top 3 and win it because no other code s calibre players were there..
If it gets to the point where you send 2 korean monsters from code s, then send only code a/b players so that someone can get the code s spot you may aswell just send out personal invites.. it becomes a joke really..
I don't mind, that was a huge part of what made Anaheim so entertaining, seeing who got the Code S spot. Even though MMA didn't beat MVP, I'm still glad he got it.
On August 02 2011 01:22 Asha` wrote: Bomber's attendance has been confirmed for a while really, the only reason he didn't get a slot at Anaheim was because he was still in the GSL and there was a schedule clash with finals & MLG.
Hopefully MVP decides to return to defend his title.
I'm super excited to see if SlayerS return under their own power, they've got 2 players with enough points to be seeded into pool play anyway now, and certainly from Boxers PoV it's an angle at Code S + there's a chance at a big tournament for the end of season finals.
I think Razer funded Ganzi and Alicia to go into the open tourney, I don't see why they wouldn't do it again for players seeded in pool play already.
I see bomber or nested or an invited Protoss like puzzle winning the next MLG to keep up with the trend of the winners always winning in their first appearance.
I hope SK sends MC again and NaDa, coL sends DRG again, FXO sends sC and the International Team, Razer sends BoxeR and the MLG/GSL exchange program send NesTea and Puzzle.
Don't MMA and MVP have slots for the next mlg since they have both won and therefor placed high? like thats why incontrol is still in mlg if im not mistaken
On August 02 2011 01:31 iiGreetings wrote: Don't MMA and MVP have slots for the next mlg since they have both won and therefor placed high? like thats why incontrol is still in mlg if im not mistaken
Doesn't work like that for koreans because they're korean.
On August 02 2011 01:30 Serelitz wrote: I really hope they send out Sage or Puzzle, one of the lesser known protosses.
Sage would be great - my guess is they're gonna put in at least one Code A or Code B player though because of the Code S rule. DRG Boxer and MMA all got their shot last time (talk about no forward thinking........ they should've saved either Boxer or DRG for Raleigh). So Sage would be great. Also I'd love to see Lyn, BBoongBboong, TheStC, or Rainbow come.
EDIT: MKP would be AMAZING if he doesn't make it out of Code A.
Would like to see more toss but beside MC/Huk I don't really know who would be a good choice. MC already said he wants to stay in Korea for a while and Huk would be sponsored by Liquid. Terran have been dominating the Korean scene that it is difficult to avoid inviting even more of them.
I would love to see Razor/Intel sponsor Boxer and MMA for their return to MLG: The amount of attention Boxer brings is phenomenal: no every player an make the crowd ROAR at the slightest event in the game.
Since GSL and MLG are "working together". I hope GSL can arrange matches in a way that MLG participants have a day or two to rest/catch up.
Well these two were confirmed a while ago. The champion will always be invited back and they said Bomber will be coming eventually, due to missing his first chance.
As for the last two invites NesTea will get invited, no doubt, the question is will he accept? He is very busy winning GSLs and all. And the last invite will probably go to Puzzle as they need a Protoss to send out and Korea doesn't really have that many big name Protosses and MC said that he does want to focus on GSL instead of foreign tournaments, for now.
Though I'd love them to invite some relatively unknown rising star.
On August 02 2011 01:10 Antoine wrote: after these two i'd love to see Nestea and Puzzle invited, with nada and mc sent by sk hopefully
There would be 0 chance of anyone getting the Code S spot though if that happened, since a group like that is bound to take top 3
The other 2 people they decide to send should be in Code A/B. That way if Bomber/MVP take #1 and 2, it still leaves a code S spot open for the next Korean
This is what i dont like about giving out a code s spot to the mlg winner.. it should be there for someone who earns it, not a place to send players who arent already code s, so that they can simply come top 3 and win it because no other code s calibre players were there..
If it gets to the point where you send 2 korean monsters from code s, then send only code a/b players so that someone can get the code s spot you may aswell just send out personal invites.. it becomes a joke really..
I don't mind, that was a huge part of what made Anaheim so entertaining, seeing who got the Code S spot. Even though MMA didn't beat MVP, I'm still glad he got it.
Yeah, even though i dont really like the whole format, i find that ok.. The thing i dont like is when they start inviting players for the specific reason that they are not in code s.. for example in your first comment suggesting that because the first 2 invites are solid code s players the other 2 should be code a/b players..
I think the invites should be the invites.. if they are all code s then so be it.. tailoring invites to cater for code a/b players who didnt make it just seems like a disguised personal invite to code s to me..
On August 02 2011 01:31 iiGreetings wrote: Don't MMA and MVP have slots for the next mlg since they have both won and therefor placed high? like thats why incontrol is still in mlg if im not mistaken
Doesn't work like that for koreans because they're korean.
probably due to GSL commitments.
No If MMA is coming on SlayerS' budget, and considering all other koreans come too on their own budget:
The list would be Naniwa, MMA, Idra, Slush, Kiwikaki, Ret, Select, Sjow, Huk, Incontrol, Haypro, Losira, TLO, Socke, MC, Boxer.
If the koreans who are not invited do not come, the list would be Naniwa, MMA, Idra, Slush, Kiwikaki, Ret, Select, Sjow, Huk, Incontrol, Haypro, TLO, Socke, Sheth, Moonan, and Rain. (Moonan and Rain because they are on foreigner teams.)
Considering the fact that both Mvp & Bomber are Code S, I highly doubt the are going to send another Code S player (unless they both fall to Code A this GSL which I doubt since Mvp seems to be coming out of his slump & Bomber is well....Bomber). The remaining invitees are probably going to be Code A/B players. Sage, Ganzi, Leenock, FD, MKP, Squirtle, etc are all likely candidates IMO.
They've said they want to rotate players invited so lots of people get a chance, so I doubt you will see MC anytime soon and definitely won't see MMA invited for a while since he's already been twice. Nothing stopping them from coming on their own and playing through the open bracket though. Although MC has said he wants to take a break from foreign tourneys for a bit.
I'd like to see Nestea and a strong Protoss. MLG/GSL seem to like SlayerS so I'd imagine Alicia. Although I could definitely see Puzzle going, and I'd really like that.
edit: ooo, someone above me mentioned Sage and that would be a good pick if MLG doesn't want all Code S players coming.
I'd actually like to see Moon come back, he did pretty well at Columbus and I think he's a bit underrated by a lot of people. He's really stepped up his game since we last saw him playing in GSL.
On August 02 2011 01:44 Kiyo. wrote: They've said they want to rotate players invited so lots of people get a chance, so I doubt you will see MC anytime soon and definitely won't see MMA invited for a while since he's already been twice. Nothing stopping them from coming on their own and playing through the open bracket though. Although MC has said he wants to take a break from foreign tourneys for a bit.
I'd like to see Nestea and a strong Protoss. MLG/GSL seem to like SlayerS so I'd imagine Alicia. Although I could definitely see Puzzle going, and I'd really like that.
edit: ooo, someone above me mentioned Sage and that would be a good pick if MLG doesn't want all Code S players coming.
Well actually if they invite all Code S players, wouldn't that guarantee a foreigner a Code S spot? And I don't think Alicia would be a good pick as he lost in the open bracket.
Yeah people need to stop saying to invite MC because they don't want to do repeat invites unless it's a defending champ. I'm sure SK will send MC/Nada to raleigh if they want to go and complexity will send DRG.
My question is did DRG earn enough points for pool play or will he have to go through the open bracket in raleigh?
I want mkp to go, but it's doubtful they will send three terrans again, which sucks cause I love watchng TvT!
MC won't come because it messes his practice schedule up too much. It also seems he's affected the most by jet-lag and sleep issues. I'd want to see any of Tester, Alicia or HongUn invited
I'm sure you guys know that the Korean invites generally fall into a pattern. It's usually promising GSTL/minor cup/practice players who have failed during the Code A qualifiers or who have been eliminated early in Code A. Or fan favorite Code S players who have made deep runs before but are in a slump or have fallen into Code A. We'll probably have to wait to see who gets eliminated early in the current season.
On August 02 2011 01:47 Canucklehead wrote: Yeah people need to stop saying to invite MC because they don't want to do repeat invites unless it's a defending champ. I'm sure SK will send MC/Nada to raleigh if they want to go and complexity will send DRG.
My question is did DRG earn enough points for pool play or will he have to go through the open bracket in raleigh?
I want mkp to go, but it's doubtful they will send three terrans again, which sucks cause I love watchng TvT!
No, as of now DRG is in 22nd place. He will have to go through the open bracket unless all other koreans do not come (Not including invites) and Sheth, Rain, and Moonan do not come. (assuming Liquid, Fnatic and FXO will not send them)
On August 02 2011 01:47 Canucklehead wrote: My question is did DRG earn enough points for pool play or will he have to go through the open bracket in raleigh?
No, he's only ranked 21st
Of course there's a number of koreans ahead of him who may not show without an invite, though if SlayerS enjoyed themselves and their sponsors are willing I'd expect to see them back again tbh.
MMA/Losira/MC/Boxer/Ganzi
Other than that everyone ahead of him bar Huk and Socke (who missed one apiece) have attended every event.
I wish they would invited Boxer again... or NaDa would be great.
Or MC/Polt, seeing as their group is ridiculous (MC/POLT/MVP/...and poor Noblesse). Either way, 1-2 fan favorites will be knocked out of that group and available for MLG.
Also, I would expect to see MMA going to MLG regardless. GanZi/Taeja would be great to see go again, especially since GanZi qualified for pool play (as well as Boxer too).
On August 02 2011 01:47 Canucklehead wrote: Yeah people need to stop saying to invite MC because they don't want to do repeat invites unless it's a defending champ. I'm sure SK will send MC/Nada to raleigh if they want to go and complexity will send DRG.
My question is did DRG earn enough points for pool play or will he have to go through the open bracket in raleigh?
I want mkp to go, but it's doubtful they will send three terrans again, which sucks cause I love watchng TvT!
No, as of now DRG is in 22nd place. He will have to go through the open bracket unless all other koreans do not come (Not including invites) and Sheth, Rain, and Moonan do not come. (assuming Liquid, Fnatic and FXO will send them)
Damn that sucks. I hope DRG still comes over and plays in the open bracket. I don't see why complexity wouldn't send him to all of the rest of MLGs, so I hope he comes to the rest of them.
There's a fair chance there would be enough dropouts above 22nd for him to qualify for a pool seeding if Complexity want to bring him over. Of course, I'd rather he were focussed on winning the Code A final on the following Monday!
I would hope that 1 or 2 of the remaining invites would go to some Code B ladder monster rather than an established Code S or even A player. We'll see who's left after the Code A prelims. Not long to wait!
I dislike putting a korean in each pool. Its like giving 4 koreans "code S" for MLG for the season. And the whole player exchange is not working at all. It seems GOM wants foreigners to come to GSL. But instead we get koreans coming over to get the code S spot. Ganzi and Rain got through the open bracket and kicked ass. I love that they participate, but the invites seem to random. Its not like they have to get top 4 code S or top 4 code A to get into pool play... its just some random korean players.
And why O why 2 more terran players. Nearly all the broadcasted games from Anaheim was with korean terrans. I have gotten my share of blueflame hellion battles for this year. So many cool matchups we missed just to show EVERY damn korean game (well not all of them, but close). QXC played extremely well (seems like the all kill was justified), but he got knocked out by Demuslim (I used to looove his play, so I would have liked to see how he beat qxc).
But inviting Bomber and MVP is a bad idea unless they invite the same caliber toss and zerg. You need MC and Nestea to get up to MVP's level (when he is playing his best). So it feels kinda stupid if they continue with inviting several top terrans and 1-2 code-B from other races. You guarantee top 4-5 terran... which is super boring imo.
Best would be to invite all promising code B like DongRaeGu. Not GSL champs.
If you look at the scheduling for GSL August/MLG Raleigh it is possible for a GSL player to come and not miss any of their matches, however that might make them really tired/jet lagged for their Ro8 match.
i'm happy mvp has a chance to defend his title but obviously they're going to ask nestea, almost everyone that watches mlg wants him (it'd be dumb not to even just ask him) so i'm sure it'll be up to him
On August 02 2011 02:17 Ravnemesteren wrote: I dislike putting a korean in each pool. Its like giving 4 koreans "code S" for MLG for the season. And the whole player exchange is not working at all. It seems GOM wants foreigners to come to GSL. But instead we get koreans coming over to get the code S spot. Ganzi and Rain got through the open bracket and kicked ass. I love that they participate, but the invites seem to random. Its not like they have to get top 4 code S or top 4 code A to get into pool play... its just some random korean players.
And why O why 2 more terran players. Nearly all the broadcasted games from Anaheim was with korean terrans. I have gotten my share of blueflame hellion battles for this year. So many cool matchups we missed just to show EVERY damn korean game (well not all of them, but close). QXC played extremely well (seems like the all kill was justified), but he got knocked out by Demuslim (I used to looove his play, so I would have liked to see how he beat qxc).
But inviting Bomber and MVP is a bad idea unless they invite the same caliber toss and zerg. You need MC and Nestea to get up to MVP's level (when he is playing his best). So it feels kinda stupid if they continue with inviting several top terrans and 1-2 code-B from other races. You guarantee top 4-5 terran... which is super boring imo.
Best would be to invite all promising code B like DongRaeGu. Not GSL champs.
Not invited top Koreans in order to give foreigners a chance will completely cheapen the tournament.
The reason there's so many Terrans invited is because a disproportionately large number of top Koreans are Terrans, probably as high as 75%.
Even as a massive Koreans fanboy who prefers watching Koreans to foreigners every time I do agree it's a bit of a shame that there are no LAN's for just foreigners to compete at (online tournaments aren't the same excitement) but MLG is infinitely better since Koreans started coming.
Also the willing foreigners are doing much better out of the exchange than Koreans. Guys like Thorzain, Naniwa, Fenix and Sheth all got Code A spots from it (chances are none of them would have made it through the Code B sharkpool) and from this MLG we'll get a futher four, potentially Sjow, Socke, Moonan, Select and others, all of whom would struggle to qualify for Code A normally.
the other 2 invites will probably be Nestea and then a protoss so probably Tester, Killer, Genius, Alicia or Puzzle depending on how they do in the GSL I think. They won't bring back someone they already invited (DRG, MMA, MC...).
This is an interesting format. First bring MMA. Then bring MVP who can beat MMA. Then bring Bomber who can beat MVP. Then bring... well, the list gets sparse. Nestea!
On August 02 2011 02:17 Ravnemesteren wrote: I dislike putting a korean in each pool. Its like giving 4 koreans "code S" for MLG for the season. And the whole player exchange is not working at all. It seems GOM wants foreigners to come to GSL. But instead we get koreans coming over to get the code S spot. Ganzi and Rain got through the open bracket and kicked ass. I love that they participate, but the invites seem to random. Its not like they have to get top 4 code S or top 4 code A to get into pool play... its just some random korean players.
And why O why 2 more terran players. Nearly all the broadcasted games from Anaheim was with korean terrans. I have gotten my share of blueflame hellion battles for this year. So many cool matchups we missed just to show EVERY damn korean game (well not all of them, but close). QXC played extremely well (seems like the all kill was justified), but he got knocked out by Demuslim (I used to looove his play, so I would have liked to see how he beat qxc).
But inviting Bomber and MVP is a bad idea unless they invite the same caliber toss and zerg. You need MC and Nestea to get up to MVP's level (when he is playing his best). So it feels kinda stupid if they continue with inviting several top terrans and 1-2 code-B from other races. You guarantee top 4-5 terran... which is super boring imo.
Best would be to invite all promising code B like DongRaeGu. Not GSL champs.
Not invited top Koreans in order to give foreigners a chance will completely cheapen the tournament.
The reason there's so many Terrans invited is because a disproportionately large number of top Koreans are Terrans, probably as high as 75%.
Even as a massive Koreans fanboy who prefers watching Koreans to foreigners every time I do agree it's a bit of a shame that there are no LAN's for just foreigners to compete at (online tournaments aren't the same excitement) but MLG is infinitely better since Koreans started coming.
Also the willing foreigners are doing much better out of the exchange than Koreans. Guys like Thorzain, Naniwa, Fenix and Sheth all got Code A spots from it (chances are none of them would have made it through the Code B sharkpool) and from this MLG we'll get a futher four, potentially Sjow, Socke, Moonan, Select and others, all of whom would struggle to qualify for Code A normally.
Yeah, but I would have liked to see the koreans go through open bracket at least. Just giving players that will surely rip through the pools a free invite into pool is weird imo. Chae from GOM was even dissapointed that no foreigner wanted to participate in GSL (well close to non), so it seems to me that they wanted to exchange program so that they could get foreigners into GSL... not a backdoor into GSL for koreans.
On August 02 2011 02:17 Ravnemesteren wrote: Best would be to invite all promising code B like DongRaeGu. Not GSL champs.
strongly disagree!
So you just want to see the GSL champions rape foreigners? I don't see the fun in that. Its like mixing paralympics with the olympics... Its not fun to watch.
On August 02 2011 02:17 Ravnemesteren wrote: Best would be to invite all promising code B like DongRaeGu. Not GSL champs.
strongly disagree!
So you just want to see the GSL champions rape foreigners? I don't see the fun in that. Its like mixing paralympics with the olympics... Its not fun to watch.
On August 02 2011 02:17 Ravnemesteren wrote: I dislike putting a korean in each pool. Its like giving 4 koreans "code S" for MLG for the season. And the whole player exchange is not working at all. It seems GOM wants foreigners to come to GSL. But instead we get koreans coming over to get the code S spot. Ganzi and Rain got through the open bracket and kicked ass. I love that they participate, but the invites seem to random. Its not like they have to get top 4 code S or top 4 code A to get into pool play... its just some random korean players.
And why O why 2 more terran players. Nearly all the broadcasted games from Anaheim was with korean terrans. I have gotten my share of blueflame hellion battles for this year. So many cool matchups we missed just to show EVERY damn korean game (well not all of them, but close). QXC played extremely well (seems like the all kill was justified), but he got knocked out by Demuslim (I used to looove his play, so I would have liked to see how he beat qxc).
But inviting Bomber and MVP is a bad idea unless they invite the same caliber toss and zerg. You need MC and Nestea to get up to MVP's level (when he is playing his best). So it feels kinda stupid if they continue with inviting several top terrans and 1-2 code-B from other races. You guarantee top 4-5 terran... which is super boring imo.
Best would be to invite all promising code B like DongRaeGu. Not GSL champs.
Not invited top Koreans in order to give foreigners a chance will completely cheapen the tournament.
The reason there's so many Terrans invited is because a disproportionately large number of top Koreans are Terrans, probably as high as 75%.
Even as a massive Koreans fanboy who prefers watching Koreans to foreigners every time I do agree it's a bit of a shame that there are no LAN's for just foreigners to compete at (online tournaments aren't the same excitement) but MLG is infinitely better since Koreans started coming.
Also the willing foreigners are doing much better out of the exchange than Koreans. Guys like Thorzain, Naniwa, Fenix and Sheth all got Code A spots from it (chances are none of them would have made it through the Code B sharkpool) and from this MLG we'll get a futher four, potentially Sjow, Socke, Moonan, Select and others, all of whom would struggle to qualify for Code A normally.
Yeah, but I would have liked to see the koreans go through open bracket at least. Just giving players that will surely rip through the pools a free invite into pool is weird imo. Chae from GOM was even dissapointed that no foreigner wanted to participate in GSL (well close to non), so it seems to me that they wanted to exchange program so that they could get foreigners into GSL... not a backdoor into GSL for koreans.
Putting all the Koreans into the open brackets would be insane because: A) The Pool Play would be a waste time of time, no one would care about the games because it would just be a practice until the Korean turns up from the Open Bracket and goes 5-0. B) The Open Bracket would be impossible for non Korean pro to make it out of. The purpose of the Open Bracket is to allow lesser known players a chance of a lifetime. Not for 10 Korean ringers to completely dominate everyone. None of the EU teams would bother sending players anymore because there's so little chance of them making it out of the Open Bracket and therefore it's not worth their money.
Seeding the Koreans was by far the best option, anyone saying otherwise has really not thought it through.
On August 02 2011 02:17 Ravnemesteren wrote: Best would be to invite all promising code B like DongRaeGu. Not GSL champs.
strongly disagree!
So you just want to see the GSL champions rape foreigners? I don't see the fun in that. Its like mixing paralympics with the olympics... Its not fun to watch.
The invites this time were three Code B players and a Code S player, plus Ganzi who is Code B and Rain who was Code S. Those players made up the top six. There's around 200+ players in Korea who could make it out of the open brackets and 50-100+ who could go 5-0 in pool play.
On August 02 2011 02:17 Ravnemesteren wrote: Best would be to invite all promising code B like DongRaeGu. Not GSL champs.
strongly disagree!
So you just want to see the GSL champions rape foreigners? I don't see the fun in that. Its like mixing paralympics with the olympics... Its not fun to watch.
I agree. Having a few lesser known guys fighting for a Code S spot makes a lot more sense, and hopefully they will be closer to the foreign players in skill.
Dream invite for the last 2 spot: oGsTheSTC (extremely biased pick, also hes been doing extremely well in the online tournaments) MVP_GunieaPig (hes random, and hes awesome, need more reasons?)
On August 02 2011 02:17 Ravnemesteren wrote: Best would be to invite all promising code B like DongRaeGu. Not GSL champs.
strongly disagree!
So you just want to see the GSL champions rape foreigners? I don't see the fun in that. Its like mixing paralympics with the olympics... Its not fun to watch.
iv already posted a couple times in this thread as to why i disagree.. basically i hate the idea of tailoring the invites for non-code s players and think the invites should be invited regardless of what code they are in.. otherwise its more like a personal invite to code s..
On August 02 2011 02:17 Ravnemesteren wrote: I dislike putting a korean in each pool. Its like giving 4 koreans "code S" for MLG for the season. And the whole player exchange is not working at all. It seems GOM wants foreigners to come to GSL. But instead we get koreans coming over to get the code S spot. Ganzi and Rain got through the open bracket and kicked ass. I love that they participate, but the invites seem to random. Its not like they have to get top 4 code S or top 4 code A to get into pool play... its just some random korean players.
And why O why 2 more terran players. Nearly all the broadcasted games from Anaheim was with korean terrans. I have gotten my share of blueflame hellion battles for this year. So many cool matchups we missed just to show EVERY damn korean game (well not all of them, but close). QXC played extremely well (seems like the all kill was justified), but he got knocked out by Demuslim (I used to looove his play, so I would have liked to see how he beat qxc).
But inviting Bomber and MVP is a bad idea unless they invite the same caliber toss and zerg. You need MC and Nestea to get up to MVP's level (when he is playing his best). So it feels kinda stupid if they continue with inviting several top terrans and 1-2 code-B from other races. You guarantee top 4-5 terran... which is super boring imo.
Best would be to invite all promising code B like DongRaeGu. Not GSL champs.
Not invited top Koreans in order to give foreigners a chance will completely cheapen the tournament.
The reason there's so many Terrans invited is because a disproportionately large number of top Koreans are Terrans, probably as high as 75%.
Even as a massive Koreans fanboy who prefers watching Koreans to foreigners every time I do agree it's a bit of a shame that there are no LAN's for just foreigners to compete at (online tournaments aren't the same excitement) but MLG is infinitely better since Koreans started coming.
Also the willing foreigners are doing much better out of the exchange than Koreans. Guys like Thorzain, Naniwa, Fenix and Sheth all got Code A spots from it (chances are none of them would have made it through the Code B sharkpool) and from this MLG we'll get a futher four, potentially Sjow, Socke, Moonan, Select and others, all of whom would struggle to qualify for Code A normally.
Yeah, but I would have liked to see the koreans go through open bracket at least. Just giving players that will surely rip through the pools a free invite into pool is weird imo. Chae from GOM was even dissapointed that no foreigner wanted to participate in GSL (well close to non), so it seems to me that they wanted to exchange program so that they could get foreigners into GSL... not a backdoor into GSL for koreans.
Putting all the Koreans into the open brackets would be insane because: A) The Pool Play would be a waste time of time, no one would care about the games because it would just be a practice until the Korean turns up from the Open Bracket and goes 5-0. B) The Open Bracket would be impossible for non Korean pro to make it out of. The purpose of the Open Bracket is to allow lesser known players a chance of a lifetime. Not for 10 Korean ringers to completely dominate everyone. None of the EU teams would bother sending players anymore because there's so little chance of them making it out of the Open Bracket and therefore it's not worth their money.
Seeding the Koreans was by far the best option, anyone saying otherwise has really not thought it through.
Not thought it through? Fits for your statement. Its not like the open bracket is a chance a "chance of a lifetime" for a young brooding gamer. The nonamers go there to prove themselves. If they get knocked out by a korean they will have a blast and will have the chance to play one of the worlds best in a tournament enviroment. How is that not gauging your skill level?
And you say no foreigner could get out of open bracket? Why did Tyler? Why did Tod beat Alicia? Its not like any non established pro can get out of open bracket anyways. If you can't beat the elite you will never get through.
On August 02 2011 02:17 Ravnemesteren wrote: Best would be to invite all promising code B like DongRaeGu. Not GSL champs.
strongly disagree!
So you just want to see the GSL champions rape foreigners? I don't see the fun in that. Its like mixing paralympics with the olympics... Its not fun to watch.
Code B players would still rape foreigners. GSL champs just rape them even harder. No homo here.
I'd really love to see some lesser known Koreans go, like Tassadar/sanZenith/Sage/Line/GuineaPig/Leenock instead of all those "big big names", because the matches with Nestea playing are going to be kinda boring except for a select few (against the other big names)
On August 02 2011 02:47 Xorphene wrote: Hope NesTea comes over <3
Thing is, with nestea, mvp and bomber here we won't actually have good games until these guys play each other in the semis. All other games will just be complete rape.
On August 02 2011 02:47 Xorphene wrote: Hope NesTea comes over <3
Thing is, with nestea, mvp and bomber here we won't actually have good games until these guys play each other in the semis. All other games will just be complete rape.
There is the scramble for 7th place that may be somewhat competitive. The problem I see with inviting Nestea is that he will just constantly be defending his MLG title. We won't get to see any new Koreans.
On August 02 2011 02:17 Ravnemesteren wrote: I dislike putting a korean in each pool. Its like giving 4 koreans "code S" for MLG for the season. And the whole player exchange is not working at all. It seems GOM wants foreigners to come to GSL. But instead we get koreans coming over to get the code S spot. Ganzi and Rain got through the open bracket and kicked ass. I love that they participate, but the invites seem to random. Its not like they have to get top 4 code S or top 4 code A to get into pool play... its just some random korean players.
And why O why 2 more terran players. Nearly all the broadcasted games from Anaheim was with korean terrans. I have gotten my share of blueflame hellion battles for this year. So many cool matchups we missed just to show EVERY damn korean game (well not all of them, but close). QXC played extremely well (seems like the all kill was justified), but he got knocked out by Demuslim (I used to looove his play, so I would have liked to see how he beat qxc).
But inviting Bomber and MVP is a bad idea unless they invite the same caliber toss and zerg. You need MC and Nestea to get up to MVP's level (when he is playing his best). So it feels kinda stupid if they continue with inviting several top terrans and 1-2 code-B from other races. You guarantee top 4-5 terran... which is super boring imo.
Best would be to invite all promising code B like DongRaeGu. Not GSL champs.
Not invited top Koreans in order to give foreigners a chance will completely cheapen the tournament.
The reason there's so many Terrans invited is because a disproportionately large number of top Koreans are Terrans, probably as high as 75%.
Even as a massive Koreans fanboy who prefers watching Koreans to foreigners every time I do agree it's a bit of a shame that there are no LAN's for just foreigners to compete at (online tournaments aren't the same excitement) but MLG is infinitely better since Koreans started coming.
Also the willing foreigners are doing much better out of the exchange than Koreans. Guys like Thorzain, Naniwa, Fenix and Sheth all got Code A spots from it (chances are none of them would have made it through the Code B sharkpool) and from this MLG we'll get a futher four, potentially Sjow, Socke, Moonan, Select and others, all of whom would struggle to qualify for Code A normally.
Yeah, but I would have liked to see the koreans go through open bracket at least. Just giving players that will surely rip through the pools a free invite into pool is weird imo. Chae from GOM was even dissapointed that no foreigner wanted to participate in GSL (well close to non), so it seems to me that they wanted to exchange program so that they could get foreigners into GSL... not a backdoor into GSL for koreans.
Putting all the Koreans into the open brackets would be insane because: A) The Pool Play would be a waste time of time, no one would care about the games because it would just be a practice until the Korean turns up from the Open Bracket and goes 5-0. B) The Open Bracket would be impossible for non Korean pro to make it out of. The purpose of the Open Bracket is to allow lesser known players a chance of a lifetime. Not for 10 Korean ringers to completely dominate everyone. None of the EU teams would bother sending players anymore because there's so little chance of them making it out of the Open Bracket and therefore it's not worth their money.
Seeding the Koreans was by far the best option, anyone saying otherwise has really not thought it through.
Not thought it through? Fits for your statement. Its not like the open bracket is a chance a "chance of a lifetime" for a young brooding gamer. The nonamers go there to prove themselves. If they get knocked out by a korean they will have a blast and will have the chance to play one of the worlds best in a tournament enviroment. How is that not gauging your skill level?
And you say no foreigner could get out of open bracket? Why did Tyler? Why did Tod beat Alicia? Its not like any non established pro can get out of open bracket anyways. If you can't beat the elite you will never get through.
Think before you type, mate.
If MVP, DRG, Ganzi, Alicia, Choya, Oz, Rain, MMA and Boxer are all in the open bracket then four Koreans are getting through the Open Bracket. End of story.
Clearly you find this hard to understand for some reason, but yes the guys who took top six and all lost 0 games in pool play to non-Koreans would also destroy the open bracket.
This would also make it impossible for non-Koreans currently in pool play to ever drop down unless all the Koreans return everytime and even more impossible for non-Koreans not in pool play to make it to be seeded next time.
And if Koreans are playing through the open bracket then foreigners should have to play Code B and lose just like the FXO guys did.
I think Korea number is OK actually. Maybe mix up their races better.
It forces foreigners to step up in training (sweden house, EG house, FXO in Korea), and it's a good thing. MLG is THE place where koreans clash foreigners. At the moment they're better and the gap is becoming bigger. Time for foreigners to really train. I love how it is actually and i'm pumped for next one, hoping Nestea would come.
On August 02 2011 02:17 Ravnemesteren wrote: I dislike putting a korean in each pool. Its like giving 4 koreans "code S" for MLG for the season. And the whole player exchange is not working at all. It seems GOM wants foreigners to come to GSL. But instead we get koreans coming over to get the code S spot. Ganzi and Rain got through the open bracket and kicked ass. I love that they participate, but the invites seem to random. Its not like they have to get top 4 code S or top 4 code A to get into pool play... its just some random korean players.
And why O why 2 more terran players. Nearly all the broadcasted games from Anaheim was with korean terrans. I have gotten my share of blueflame hellion battles for this year. So many cool matchups we missed just to show EVERY damn korean game (well not all of them, but close). QXC played extremely well (seems like the all kill was justified), but he got knocked out by Demuslim (I used to looove his play, so I would have liked to see how he beat qxc).
But inviting Bomber and MVP is a bad idea unless they invite the same caliber toss and zerg. You need MC and Nestea to get up to MVP's level (when he is playing his best). So it feels kinda stupid if they continue with inviting several top terrans and 1-2 code-B from other races. You guarantee top 4-5 terran... which is super boring imo.
Best would be to invite all promising code B like DongRaeGu. Not GSL champs.
Not invited top Koreans in order to give foreigners a chance will completely cheapen the tournament.
The reason there's so many Terrans invited is because a disproportionately large number of top Koreans are Terrans, probably as high as 75%.
Even as a massive Koreans fanboy who prefers watching Koreans to foreigners every time I do agree it's a bit of a shame that there are no LAN's for just foreigners to compete at (online tournaments aren't the same excitement) but MLG is infinitely better since Koreans started coming.
Also the willing foreigners are doing much better out of the exchange than Koreans. Guys like Thorzain, Naniwa, Fenix and Sheth all got Code A spots from it (chances are none of them would have made it through the Code B sharkpool) and from this MLG we'll get a futher four, potentially Sjow, Socke, Moonan, Select and others, all of whom would struggle to qualify for Code A normally.
Yeah, but I would have liked to see the koreans go through open bracket at least. Just giving players that will surely rip through the pools a free invite into pool is weird imo. Chae from GOM was even dissapointed that no foreigner wanted to participate in GSL (well close to non), so it seems to me that they wanted to exchange program so that they could get foreigners into GSL... not a backdoor into GSL for koreans.
Putting all the Koreans into the open brackets would be insane because: A) The Pool Play would be a waste time of time, no one would care about the games because it would just be a practice until the Korean turns up from the Open Bracket and goes 5-0. B) The Open Bracket would be impossible for non Korean pro to make it out of. The purpose of the Open Bracket is to allow lesser known players a chance of a lifetime. Not for 10 Korean ringers to completely dominate everyone. None of the EU teams would bother sending players anymore because there's so little chance of them making it out of the Open Bracket and therefore it's not worth their money.
Seeding the Koreans was by far the best option, anyone saying otherwise has really not thought it through.
Not thought it through? Fits for your statement. Its not like the open bracket is a chance a "chance of a lifetime" for a young brooding gamer. The nonamers go there to prove themselves. If they get knocked out by a korean they will have a blast and will have the chance to play one of the worlds best in a tournament enviroment. How is that not gauging your skill level?
And you say no foreigner could get out of open bracket? Why did Tyler? Why did Tod beat Alicia? Its not like any non established pro can get out of open bracket anyways. If you can't beat the elite you will never get through.
Think before you type, mate.
If MVP, DRG, Ganzi, Alicia, Choya, Oz, Rain, MMA and Boxer are all in the open bracket then four Koreans are getting through the Open Bracket. End of story.
Clearly you find this hard to understand for some reason, but yes the guys who took top six and all lost 0 games in pool play to non-Koreans would also destroy the open bracket.
This would also make it impossible for non-Koreans currently in pool play to ever drop down unless all the Koreans return everytime and even more impossible for non-Koreans not in pool play to make it to be seeded next time.
And if Koreans are playing through the open bracket then foreigners should have to play Code B and lose just like the FXO guys did.
No, it would not make it any less possible for non koreans to not drop down. If what you said was true, they would get the same results in pool and the same points. Its your final standing that decides your points.
Also the koreans would also knock each other out in the bracket. Yes, its very likely that 4 koreans would get through, I won't deny that. But only established pro players and koreans get through anyways. And remember that koreans were knocked out.
Your whole point is mute. According to you teams send in some new players so they can dodge koreans until they get into pool play and get trounced by everyone there, and humiliated by the koreans. Thats not how it works.
Yeah, but I would have liked to see the koreans go through open bracket at least. Just giving players that will surely rip through the pools a free invite into pool is weird imo. Chae from GOM was even dissapointed that no foreigner wanted to participate in GSL (well close to non), so it seems to me that they wanted to exchange program so that they could get foreigners into GSL... not a backdoor into GSL for koreans.
Says something about the commitment of most foreigners I guess.
On August 02 2011 02:17 Ravnemesteren wrote: I dislike putting a korean in each pool. Its like giving 4 koreans "code S" for MLG for the season. And the whole player exchange is not working at all. It seems GOM wants foreigners to come to GSL. But instead we get koreans coming over to get the code S spot. Ganzi and Rain got through the open bracket and kicked ass. I love that they participate, but the invites seem to random. Its not like they have to get top 4 code S or top 4 code A to get into pool play... its just some random korean players.
And why O why 2 more terran players. Nearly all the broadcasted games from Anaheim was with korean terrans. I have gotten my share of blueflame hellion battles for this year. So many cool matchups we missed just to show EVERY damn korean game (well not all of them, but close). QXC played extremely well (seems like the all kill was justified), but he got knocked out by Demuslim (I used to looove his play, so I would have liked to see how he beat qxc).
But inviting Bomber and MVP is a bad idea unless they invite the same caliber toss and zerg. You need MC and Nestea to get up to MVP's level (when he is playing his best). So it feels kinda stupid if they continue with inviting several top terrans and 1-2 code-B from other races. You guarantee top 4-5 terran... which is super boring imo.
Best would be to invite all promising code B like DongRaeGu. Not GSL champs.
Not invited top Koreans in order to give foreigners a chance will completely cheapen the tournament.
The reason there's so many Terrans invited is because a disproportionately large number of top Koreans are Terrans, probably as high as 75%.
Even as a massive Koreans fanboy who prefers watching Koreans to foreigners every time I do agree it's a bit of a shame that there are no LAN's for just foreigners to compete at (online tournaments aren't the same excitement) but MLG is infinitely better since Koreans started coming.
Also the willing foreigners are doing much better out of the exchange than Koreans. Guys like Thorzain, Naniwa, Fenix and Sheth all got Code A spots from it (chances are none of them would have made it through the Code B sharkpool) and from this MLG we'll get a futher four, potentially Sjow, Socke, Moonan, Select and others, all of whom would struggle to qualify for Code A normally.
Yeah, but I would have liked to see the koreans go through open bracket at least. Just giving players that will surely rip through the pools a free invite into pool is weird imo. Chae from GOM was even dissapointed that no foreigner wanted to participate in GSL (well close to non), so it seems to me that they wanted to exchange program so that they could get foreigners into GSL... not a backdoor into GSL for koreans.
Putting all the Koreans into the open brackets would be insane because: A) The Pool Play would be a waste time of time, no one would care about the games because it would just be a practice until the Korean turns up from the Open Bracket and goes 5-0. B) The Open Bracket would be impossible for non Korean pro to make it out of. The purpose of the Open Bracket is to allow lesser known players a chance of a lifetime. Not for 10 Korean ringers to completely dominate everyone. None of the EU teams would bother sending players anymore because there's so little chance of them making it out of the Open Bracket and therefore it's not worth their money.
Seeding the Koreans was by far the best option, anyone saying otherwise has really not thought it through.
Not thought it through? Fits for your statement. Its not like the open bracket is a chance a "chance of a lifetime" for a young brooding gamer. The nonamers go there to prove themselves. If they get knocked out by a korean they will have a blast and will have the chance to play one of the worlds best in a tournament enviroment. How is that not gauging your skill level?
And you say no foreigner could get out of open bracket? Why did Tyler? Why did Tod beat Alicia? Its not like any non established pro can get out of open bracket anyways. If you can't beat the elite you will never get through.
Think before you type, mate.
If MVP, DRG, Ganzi, Alicia, Choya, Oz, Rain, MMA and Boxer are all in the open bracket then four Koreans are getting through the Open Bracket. End of story.
Clearly you find this hard to understand for some reason, but yes the guys who took top six and all lost 0 games in pool play to non-Koreans would also destroy the open bracket.
This would also make it impossible for non-Koreans currently in pool play to ever drop down unless all the Koreans return everytime and even more impossible for non-Koreans not in pool play to make it to be seeded next time.
And if Koreans are playing through the open bracket then foreigners should have to play Code B and lose just like the FXO guys did.
No, it would not make it any less possible for non koreans to not drop down. If what you said was true, they would get the same results in pool and the same points. Its your final standing that decides your points.
Also the koreans would also knock each other out in the bracket. Yes, its very likely that 4 koreans would get through, I won't deny that. But only established pro players and koreans get through anyways. And remember that koreans were knocked out.
Your whole point is mute. According to you teams send in some new players so they can dodge koreans until they get into pool play and get trounced by everyone there, and humiliated by the koreans. Thats not how it works.
If you're in pool play you can't finish lower than like 24th. Given 16 spots are pool, the next 6 open bracket spots would likely be Koreans you're at place 22. So the chance of a non Korean finishing higher than a seeded non korean enough times to overtake them in points is extremely slim.
I also hope Nestea comes over. I assume they won't have the GSL finals in the same weekend as MLG though if they are bringing over all those Code S players.
On a side note, how awesome would it be if they brought over MVP, Nestea, Bomber and MC! D: That would be insane.
Regardless, they have so many good players they can invite, so we might even see players like Puma. Ahh... there are so many Terran's.
Edit: I actually wouldn't mind seeing some players who aren't doing well in Code S so they also have a shot though. Bring Ace and Maka!
On August 02 2011 03:28 Premier wrote: WTB Nestea invite so we can watch him 2-0 everyone all tournely long
Same like all Koreans do at MLG against Foreigners? Problem with Next MLG is that its right between CodeA Finals (probably no MKP) and CodeS RO8 (Probably no MC/NesTea etc)
They are allowed to invite MVP again? I thought league exchange was for different players each time? Hmm, would really like to see more Zerg and Protoss coming over, but I guess there are really slim pickings.
On August 02 2011 03:42 KimJongChill wrote: They are allowed to invite MVP again? I thought league exchange was for different players each time? Hmm, would really like to see more Zerg and Protoss coming over, but I guess there are really slim pickings.
if we're just talking players that haven't had a shot at mlg already i'd like to see nestea invited obv, failing that maybe leenock or hongun. puzzle i guess could also work. need more toss love
I would love to see Tassadar or Alicia represent the Korean Protoss line. It would be nice to see Protoss win every now and then. Tassadar's play of late has impressed me a lot. Since I definitely see NesTea going because of winning GSL, MVP getting reinvited, and the lack of Protoss invites, I would say those four get the invite. Although bringing Boxer back in would significantly increase viewer numbers.
On August 02 2011 03:56 Rkie wrote: I would love to see Tassadar or Alicia represent the Korean Protoss line. It would be nice to see Protoss win every now and then. Tassadar's play of late has impressed me a lot. Since I definitely see NesTea going because of winning GSL, MVP getting reinvited, and the lack of Protoss invites, I would say those four get the invite. Although bringing Boxer back in would significantly increase viewer numbers.
I understand they want to invite the previous champion to come back and defend his crown, but since the previous champion would already be seeded into pools anyway, why not use that invite on someone new?
Unless maybe the expenses of traveling to MLG are too prohibitive for the champion to make the trip again.
On August 02 2011 04:10 Jyvblamo wrote: I understand they want to invite the previous champion to come back and defend his crown, but since the previous champion would already be seeded into pools anyway, why not use that invite on someone new?
Koreans would never go without the invites, because they would need to buy all the logistics and the flights.
I want them to invite different races, but other than Nestea, Losira, and MC, there aren't many other good representatives for Zerg and Protoss. This makes me sad.
On August 02 2011 04:14 rawrjaaaaay wrote: I want them to invite different races, but other than Nestea, Losira, and MC, there aren't many other good representatives for Zerg and Protoss. This makes me sad.
Guess you haven't heard of Sage or puzzle for protoss
Or maybe you have but they have to win Code S first in order to be good.
On August 02 2011 04:14 rawrjaaaaay wrote: I want them to invite different races, but other than Nestea, Losira, and MC, there aren't many other good representatives for Zerg and Protoss. This makes me sad.
Guess you haven't heard of Sage or puzzle for protoss
Or maybe you have but they have to win Code S first in order to be good.
I don't understand why everyone is saying Sage is one of the best Protosses based on one GSTL series, I guess it's Artosis' fault. Puzzle would be a good choice, but there isn't anyone else .
On August 02 2011 04:10 Jyvblamo wrote: I understand they want to invite the previous champion to come back and defend his crown, but since the previous champion would already be seeded into pools anyway, why not use that invite on someone new?
Koreans would never go without the invites, because they would need to buy all the logistics and the flights.
Ganzi, Alicia, Rain, Choya, plus a few guys from FXO came to Anaheim without invites.
On August 02 2011 04:10 Jyvblamo wrote: I understand they want to invite the previous champion to come back and defend his crown, but since the previous champion would already be seeded into pools anyway, why not use that invite on someone new?
Koreans would never go without the invites, because they would need to buy all the logistics and the flights.
Ganzi, Alicia, Rain, Choya, plus a few guys from FXO came to Anaheim without invites.
rain was already in NA
Choya got paid by FXO (he finished highest out of the fxo guys right ?)
Ganzi and Alicia are from the richest team in korea
On August 02 2011 04:14 rawrjaaaaay wrote: I want them to invite different races, but other than Nestea, Losira, and MC, there aren't many other good representatives for Zerg and Protoss. This makes me sad.
Guess you haven't heard of Sage or puzzle for protoss
Or maybe you have but they have to win Code S first in order to be good.
I don't understand why everyone is saying Sage is one of the best Protosses based on one GSTL series, I guess it's Artosis' fault. Puzzle would be a good choice, but there isn't anyone else .
Sage is more then hype because of his GSTL performance, he's proven on the Korean Weeklies week after week to place near the very top, in fact no other protoss has done as well as him in the Weeklies besides Puzzle whose done even better.
I actually enjoy TvT, but please invite other races as well. Anaheim's TvT-fest was fun, but I'd much rather a more varied selection >_< Please invite some Z and P player(s)!
MMA, Boxer, and GanZi should be expected to return (unless confliction with GSL occur, such as MMA staying in). So Boxer and GanZi should be expected to return!
NaDa would be great to see, and who knows, maybe they will send Yellow =).
On August 02 2011 04:10 Jyvblamo wrote: I understand they want to invite the previous champion to come back and defend his crown, but since the previous champion would already be seeded into pools anyway, why not use that invite on someone new?
Koreans would never go without the invites, because they would need to buy all the logistics and the flights.
Ganzi, Alicia, Rain, Choya, plus a few guys from FXO came to Anaheim without invites.
rain was already in NA
Choya got paid by FXO (he finished highest out of the fxo guys right ?)
Ganzi and Alicia are from the richest team in korea
If oGs can afford to send MC on his merry trips around the world, I don't see why IM can't afford to send MVP. Not to mention Socke, WhiteRa, Sjow, Demuslim, Fenix, Naniwa all flew to MLG as well. I doubt it's a money issue.
On August 02 2011 01:06 Axel.Bowex wrote: As much as I love seeing people like MMA and Boxer playing in MLG, I found that the mass TvT were getting pretty dull.
Same here, we need NesTea or Sage/Puzzle/MC to break it please.
On August 02 2011 04:38 tomatriedes wrote: I would really like to see Nestea in a non-Korean tournament. Please MLG realize that not all of us are terran fans!
This, I would much rather see MC or Nestea, or Losira than one of the many Korean T players >.>... or More July :D :D I guess maybe i'm just feeling the overdose of hellions I received this weekend, and while I am truly grateful that it wasn't rine/tank/viking, hellion/tank/viking may start to get stale just as fast.
On August 02 2011 04:10 Jyvblamo wrote: I understand they want to invite the previous champion to come back and defend his crown, but since the previous champion would already be seeded into pools anyway, why not use that invite on someone new?
Koreans would never go without the invites, because they would need to buy all the logistics and the flights.
Ganzi, Alicia, Rain, Choya, plus a few guys from FXO came to Anaheim without invites.
rain was already in NA
Choya got paid by FXO (he finished highest out of the fxo guys right ?)
Ganzi and Alicia are from the richest team in korea
If oGs can afford to send MC on his merry trips around the world, I don't see why IM can't afford to send MVP. Not to mention Socke, WhiteRa, Sjow, Demuslim, Fenix, Naniwa all flew to MLG as well. I doubt it's a money issue.
Well, FXOBoss stated that the Korean scene was poor and it has been consistently mentioned throughout SOTG by Artosis and others in Korea that there's a big difference in sponsorships between Korean teams and Western teams so it's unfair to compare the two scenes in terms of money.
Also, OGS is one of the more successful and well known teams which probably means more sponsorships and $$$.
Of course, this is what I hear so take it as what it is, a secondary source and take a grain of salt on my words.
On August 02 2011 04:10 Jyvblamo wrote: I understand they want to invite the previous champion to come back and defend his crown, but since the previous champion would already be seeded into pools anyway, why not use that invite on someone new?
Koreans would never go without the invites, because they would need to buy all the logistics and the flights.
Ganzi, Alicia, Rain, Choya, plus a few guys from FXO came to Anaheim without invites.
rain was already in NA
Choya got paid by FXO (he finished highest out of the fxo guys right ?)
Ganzi and Alicia are from the richest team in korea
Actually Moonan finished the highest, tgun was the last zerg in the open bracket as well.
Its a pity that there isn't really that many top Korean Zergs/Protoss to go around. I can see a endless stream of good Terrans they could send over, but not Zerg or Protoss.
On August 02 2011 05:21 lazydino wrote: Is anyone else tired of having Koreans "stealing our money"? Or is it just me?
yeah but it means other people need to step it up, its not the koreans fault they practise more in a better environment. i dont know if you want to exclude them but it would only result in foreigners working less hard.
Well.. looks like we know whos going to be in the finals. They really should invite players that aren't already in Code S. MKP, DRG, or Puzzle should come.
Can't really complain about MLG inviting 3 Terrans and 1 Zerg for last event, as the two other Zergs worthwhile inviting were in the GSL Finals.. as for protoss; MC had already said he'd stay in Korea for a while to catch up on his training after traveling to DHS & HS3 (and there isn't too many Korean protoss players worth inviting in all honesty.. maybe Sage or Puzzle, but they've just broken out on the scene).. Terrans are just in general better in Korea (MVP, MMA, GanZi, Bomber, BoxeR, Polt, NaDa, Byun, sC.. the list goes on)
On August 02 2011 05:23 dlcofls21 wrote: If by stealing u mean "earning money by smashing everyone", then..I'm ok with it.
Look some people can argue that if the Koreans win everything then less and less "foreign" players will be able to make a living at the game and thus the gap will widen (bit weak I know, but more of a long-run thing)
On the other hand, by inviting the Koreans over we can only push "our" standard higher
The Koreans are not magically genetically better, they have more players with, on a whole, a stronger training regimen.
The sooner we compete with the Koreans rather than shelter ourselves from them the better in my opinion.
On August 02 2011 05:27 Souljah wrote: Well.. looks like we know whos going to be in the finals. They really should invite players that aren't already in Code S. MKP, DRG, or Puzzle should come.
This competition is for a Code S slot in the GSL after this coming one. Those dudes could easily be in Code S by then (And the invited people might be out too!).
On August 02 2011 01:06 Axel.Bowex wrote: As much as I love seeing people like MMA and Boxer playing in MLG, I found that the mass TvT were getting pretty dull.
Yeah, we need to invite some Korean zergs and protosses so someone can knock the terrans out.
On August 02 2011 04:10 Jyvblamo wrote: I understand they want to invite the previous champion to come back and defend his crown, but since the previous champion would already be seeded into pools anyway, why not use that invite on someone new?
Koreans would never go without the invites, because they would need to buy all the logistics and the flights.
Ganzi, Alicia, Rain, Choya, plus a few guys from FXO came to Anaheim without invites.
rain was already in NA
Choya got paid by FXO (he finished highest out of the fxo guys right ?)
Ganzi and Alicia are from the richest team in korea
If oGs can afford to send MC on his merry trips around the world, I don't see why IM can't afford to send MVP. Not to mention Socke, WhiteRa, Sjow, Demuslim, Fenix, Naniwa all flew to MLG as well. I doubt it's a money issue.
Well, FXOBoss stated that the Korean scene was poor and it has been consistently mentioned throughout SOTG by Artosis and others in Korea that there's a big difference in sponsorships between Korean teams and Western teams so it's unfair to compare the two scenes in terms of money.
Also, OGS is one of the more successful and well known teams which probably means more sponsorships and $$$.
Of course, this is what I hear so take it as what it is, a secondary source and take a grain of salt on my words.
I've heard the Korean SC2 scene is pretty strapped for cash too, but somehow I doubt that really applies to IM (5 GSL championships in one team?). I think they're just hesitant to pay for their own tickets when MLG/GSL are willing to pay for them for IM players.
Well, disregarding the Terran issues... clearly MKP is up for an invite some time soon. Nestea obviously too. Although I have to say at some point I kinda feel the Korean they invite should be a bit lower tier. Can't see anyone other than Koreans taking the win EVER if the level of invites keep up at that level.
And no, I'm not saying that no one can beat them... but if you need to beat mvp then bomber then nestea... you're fucked. And the mlg format obviously is a huuuge help to the Koreans with an invite.
Edit: just realize I came off pretty negative. It IS awesome to see such great players... would just like the playing field a smidge bit more even^^
I think the bigger question than the 4 MLG pool play invites is how many of those Koreans who are technically qualified for pool play will make the trip.
MMA Losira MC
Also Boxer if there's one who doesn't show up (which is likely)
On August 02 2011 01:05 Hardigan wrote: well, it looks like a Terran will win again^^ but nothing against that, Korean T are really looking super strong
It's not TvX, it's KvX, obv.
Just invite BoxeR again MLG (I think they invited him right? If they didn't, he should just go again), it pretty much gives you 5 million stream views ezpz.
On August 02 2011 05:27 Souljah wrote: Well.. looks like we know whos going to be in the finals. They really should invite players that aren't already in Code S. MKP, DRG, or Puzzle should come.
Except that Puzzle is in Code S. Sage would be better choice!
On August 02 2011 04:38 tomatriedes wrote: I would really like to see Nestea in a non-Korean tournament. Please MLG realize that not all of us are terran fans!
Nestea would have to drop out of a gsl early most likely for this to happen, if the tournament runs in the same timeframe of the gsl as it has before. The problem there is Nestea can't lose before the round of 8, so getting him over here is a problem :p
I guess you've got to imagine that, of the players left to invite in addiction to mvp and bomber, it would be unlikely for it to be either:
Nada+MC (due to SK deal) DRG+Genius (col deal) Puma (member of EG now)
I also think that GSL isnt completely blind to its fan's desires and will prudently invite a Toss and Zerg player. If they can get Nestea im certain they will. IM dont have a GSTL match that Friday so we can be hopefull. From a Toss side of things, I immediately had thoughts of the Code A finalists Tassadar and Puzzle but im not so sure due to Zenex vs HoSeo game on the Friday. I might be being silly to take GSTL so much into account but I cant imagine either of these teams wanting such strong players being absent from their sides, especially as the game could be crucial for Zenex playoff potential and HoSeo's potential to even top the group... Honestly I could see Killer being invited and accepting purely because of his team's lack of GSTL game the days before MLG. Plus he is a very strong player with quite a strong foreign fanbase. I can imagine it would be prudent of GSL to send him.
On August 02 2011 03:42 KimJongChill wrote: They are allowed to invite MVP again? I thought league exchange was for different players each time? Hmm, would really like to see more Zerg and Protoss coming over, but I guess there are really slim pickings.
Everybody wants to see NesTea. Hardly anybody wants this flood of korean Terrans to continue. Please talk to GSL to change the dates of GSL matches so we can see the God Zerg win MLG Raleigh with 16:0 Stats
One important thing about Raleigh, it's going to happen the during the weekend *after* Code S Ro16 and Code A Ro8, but before Up & Downs. This means the people that can take the invites either: 1) didn't make it into Code A/knocked out in the first week or 2) took 3rd in their Ro32 Code S group.
Raleigh just lands at a weird point. So unless NesTea takes 3rd in his Code S Ro32 group, don't expect to see him, haha. But I imagine if they've already extended invites to 2 Code S players, they'll probably try for 2 players without Code S.
While i agree with the need for some race distribution with the invites; how the hell can you say no to Bomber!?!?! If anyone is going to stop Mvp from winning this again it may be him :p
I see timing with GSL being an issue with a lot of big name invites; maybe even Mvp's ability to show up - you would think GSL would be a priority for them
They probably need to send a zerg and a protoss as well so I hope SlayerS sends BoxeR and MMA again on their own as they are becoming the heart of MLG.
On August 02 2011 01:05 Hardigan wrote: well, it looks like a Terran will win again^^ but nothing against that, Korean T are really looking super strong
If it wasnt for MLG, I would have said Korean Terrans are losing their edge
On August 02 2011 07:29 TheGiftedApe wrote: oGsMC oGsNada IMMVP IMNestea IMLosira Slayers_MMA Slayers_Boxer Slayers_Alicia MarineKingPrime.we Optimus/poltPrime.we
I really hope they invite MMA again, i know that would make 3 terrans but 1st and 2nd at his two events? insane. But they probably wont invite him but that means slayers may send him which means a 5th korean in pool play not counting the ones who may come from open bracket
MLG has to invite people based on availability. that's why not everyone will be announced at once, because technically it's not known whether they will be there. for example, how can you invite Nestea to Anaheim if he keeps getting really deep in GSL to the point where he'd have to be playing two events on opposite sides of the world simultaneously?
so just keep that in mind when you ask for invites. they probably want to invite the best players that they can. i really hope they can get more toss and zerg to the event next time in general though
I do kind of agree with everyone else with diversity being a good thing to invite zergs and protosses for the other spots. Even though with bomber and mvp you might end up with a tvt finals anyways
This is my dreamlist. I feel there should be juggernauts from every race participating at MLG as well as giving a lesser known gosu korean to have a shot. Sure CoCa and Puzzle may be Code S juggernauts themselves but I feel they do not have much spotlight on them and allowing htem to participate would be a nice opportunity for exposure.
Foreigners need to step up their game! If more Code S Koreans come over to compete in MLG, foreigners have absolutely 0 chance to place ahead of them! This time top 6 were koreans...cmon foreigners!!!
I'm doubtful that Nestea will be able to attend MLG unless they manage to fit it somewhere in his schedule. They have played matches earlier and later for players who will be attending Columbus, so I guess its still a possibility. There aren't many strong Korean Zerg and Protoss players, especially when considering fan favourites.
For Zergs I'd like them to send Nestea/Coca/Zenio/Losira/July. I think most likely for a Zerg they'd send in Coca or Zenio, since Losira and July were there before (though if they have no other option I guess they can send them).
For Protoss I'd like them to send Puzzle/Sage/Tassadar/Genius.
I don't particularly care much about which Terrans they send, most of them are pretty good. Polt needs to make his debut on MLG at some point.
Foxer and Nestea for the last two invites, please PLEASE make it happen!!!
Btw, someone jokingly said that the title of this thread is a spoiler for MLG Raleigh's winner, but you guys do realize that if Nestea and/or MC don't attend than this actually will be 99% true? xD
I'm terran, I love watching TvT, but this weekend was kind of "ruined" (the term ruined is too strong, what I mean is a lot of people, live audience included, were fed up of TvT) by the non stop TvT. Bomer and MVP are enough, don't invite more terran next time. And even more because Bomer and MVP are likely to destroy everyone and meet in the finals whoever else gets invited.
I hope MVP accepts if it doesn't conflict with GSL. I'm surprised about the lack of attention he got as MLG compared to the SlayerS members, it's quite akin to Polt winning the super tournament.
But then again I am an Incredible Miracle fanboy and I'll be rooting for their members in any endeavour they so choose.
On August 02 2011 07:29 TheGiftedApe wrote: oGsMC oGsNada IMMVP IMNestea IMLosira Slayers_MMA Slayers_Boxer Slayers_Alicia MarineKingPrime.we Optimus/poltPrime.we
would be a dream list for me.
6 Terran, 2 Toss, 2 Zerg?
No, please.
I'd change it up to something like
oGsMC SlayerS_Alicia ZENEXPuzzle IMMVP ST_Bomber SlayerS_MMA/BoxeR (one or both are fine) IMNestea IMLosira MVP_DongRaeGu
IMO Add Sage or replace Alicia with Sage. Alicia is good but Sage is better
Four games from Sage is enough to make you think he is better than Alicia? Wow.
As a fan of both, I have to agree with you here. Sage plays intelligently, but his unit control is absolute shit. If you've seen his iCCup Korean Weekly games, you know what I'm talking about. His PvT is very good, his PvZ is occasionally good, but his PvP makes me want to cry. My vote goes to Alicia, who is, IMO, much more consistent.
Would like to see the remaining two invites go to non-Terrans. One Zerg and one Protoss would be perfect. IMNestea and oGsMC would be awesome, though the Code S spot would be wasted if the top 3 were Nestea/MC/MVP/Bomber . Donraegu again maybe and hope he doesn't disappoint?
Would like to see sponsors fly over one or two teammates as well to compete through the open bracket, like Ganzi (man did he go through a lot of games to get to #4, man needs more appreciation ). Would love to see Alicia/Min from Slayers, Nada, Puzzle, Tassadar just because of the name lol, and some others.
I believe Sage is a good representative of protoss from Korea. He is insane in GSTL. Also, having Fruitdealer/Nestea/Julyzerg will be cool but I would prefer Nestea.
chances of seeing mvp, mc, nestea at next MLG is pretty high consider they are in the same side of the brackets of the next GSL... very likely they will knock each other out.
On August 02 2011 07:29 TheGiftedApe wrote: oGsMC oGsNada IMMVP IMNestea IMLosira Slayers_MMA Slayers_Boxer Slayers_Alicia MarineKingPrime.we Optimus/poltPrime.we
would be a dream list for me.
6 Terran, 2 Toss, 2 Zerg?
No, please.
I'd change it up to something like
oGsMC SlayerS_Alicia ZENEXPuzzle IMMVP ST_Bomber SlayerS_MMA/BoxeR (one or both are fine) IMNestea IMLosira MVP_DongRaeGu
IMO Add Sage or replace Alicia with Sage. Alicia is good but Sage is better
Four games from Sage is enough to make you think he is better than Alicia? Wow.
4 games isn't enough, but 4 minutes of artosis praising and overhyping the shit out of him is. Works that way with everyone including DRG.
"Hmm...2 time gsl champion vs overrated code B zerg". CLEARLY THE LATTER IS THE FAVORITE TO WIN THE TOURNAMENT.
Except DongRaeGu wasn't hyped by Artosis all that much, and actually has taken out many very strong players in GSTL rather convincingly. Sage all-killed a weaker team with some cutesy strategies and people are suggesting him over Alicia...
On August 02 2011 07:29 TheGiftedApe wrote: oGsMC oGsNada IMMVP IMNestea IMLosira Slayers_MMA Slayers_Boxer Slayers_Alicia MarineKingPrime.we Optimus/poltPrime.we
would be a dream list for me.
6 Terran, 2 Toss, 2 Zerg?
No, please.
I'd change it up to something like
oGsMC SlayerS_Alicia ZENEXPuzzle IMMVP ST_Bomber SlayerS_MMA/BoxeR (one or both are fine) IMNestea IMLosira MVP_DongRaeGu
IMO Add Sage or replace Alicia with Sage. Alicia is good but Sage is better
Four games from Sage is enough to make you think he is better than Alicia? Wow.
4 games isn't enough, but 4 minutes of artosis praising and overhyping the shit out of him is. Works that way with everyone including DRG.
"Hmm...2 time gsl champion vs overrated code B zerg". CLEARLY THE LATTER IS THE FAVORITE TO WIN THE TOURNAMENT.
Let's take this logic back to May.
Okay, so we have this noob, only have Team League games to go off of for this guy, and he's tried to get into Code A twice and failed. Only this one time did he succeed.
"Hmm...2 Time GSL Champion MVP vs. overrated Code A Terran." CLEARLY THE LATTER IS THE FAVORITE TO WIN THE MATCH
I'm completely unsold on Sage, mind you, and anyone who places DRG on the same level as NesTea is mad. I just think that, over the numerous posts I've seen from you, you place a massive and aggressive evaluative emphasis on results from GSL Individual Leagues and way too little on all other criteria.
Sage is a very smart player who has consistently performed well in iCCup, every time he looses it's usually due to PvP which because a) His unit control is awful b) He tries to Forge FE in a PvP ><
I don't think he's better than alicia at the moment though (his PvZ is though lol)
I hope they also invite MarineKing and then a protoss.
That would be the best line-up to me. Nestea/MC should stay in Korea and focus on the GSL. Especially MC who said that traveling everywhere has messed up his practice. I want to see MC at his best in the upcoming GSL.
Bomber was due to be invited, he couldn't get a Visa before so now he's comming (makes sense to me). MVP going as champion, I would love to see a protoss and zerg get the other two spots.
On August 02 2011 07:29 TheGiftedApe wrote: oGsMC oGsNada IMMVP IMNestea IMLosira Slayers_MMA Slayers_Boxer Slayers_Alicia MarineKingPrime.we Optimus/poltPrime.we
would be a dream list for me.
6 Terran, 2 Toss, 2 Zerg?
No, please.
I'd change it up to something like
oGsMC SlayerS_Alicia ZENEXPuzzle IMMVP ST_Bomber SlayerS_MMA/BoxeR (one or both are fine) IMNestea IMLosira MVP_DongRaeGu
IMO Add Sage or replace Alicia with Sage. Alicia is good but Sage is better
Four games from Sage is enough to make you think he is better than Alicia? Wow.
4 games isn't enough, but 4 minutes of artosis praising and overhyping the shit out of him is. Works that way with everyone including DRG.
"Hmm...2 time gsl champion vs overrated code B zerg". CLEARLY THE LATTER IS THE FAVORITE TO WIN THE TOURNAMENT.
Let's take this logic back to May.
Okay, so we have this noob, only have Team League games to go off of for this guy, and he's tried to get into Code A twice and failed. Only this one time did he succeed.
"Hmm...2 Time GSL Champion MVP vs. overrated Code A Terran." CLEARLY THE LATTER IS THE FAVORITE TO WIN THE MATCH
I'm completely unsold on Sage, mind you, and anyone who places DRG on the same level as NesTea is mad. I just think that, over the numerous posts I've seen from you, you place a massive and aggressive evaluative emphasis on results from GSL Individual Leagues and way too little on all other criteria.
That's all.
GSL individual leagues are the true test of any player. A player who can all kill a team is impressive, but bo1's are not necessarily the best indication of skill. We saw this with squirtle, where is he now? Champions of the individual leagues have proven time after time that they can keep up with the extreme pressure required to stay competitive. People put MMA on a pedestal after having a clutch victory over MVP in the 2nd team league. People have quoted DRG as being the 2nd best (and some nutters even say 1st over nestea) after his LG cinema win over scfou where he supposedly "crushed his opponent". Mind you that series turned out 3-2. It's just a personal thing but for me, I've learned not to place too much emphasis on the GSTL's where volatile bo1's occur. Those who prove themselves to be the absolute best are those who fight their way through the individual leagues.
edit: another example I forgot, Seed. Where is the guy now? I get sick of the "this guy deserves code s but code b is just really hard" excuse. Those who have what it takes will find a way into code s. I know code b is ridiculously tough, but if you're truly the best of the best, you'll find your way through the qualifiers.
It doesn't have to be Nestea or MC. But should be a really good Zerg and Protoss. Next time they should reduce amount of Terran tbh, the last MLG wasm't really fun with tanks and hellions at all. Boxer vs Rain game 1 was the example of stalemate, some fun moment but 1 hour 12 mins is just too damn boring >"<
On August 02 2011 07:29 TheGiftedApe wrote: oGsMC oGsNada IMMVP IMNestea IMLosira Slayers_MMA Slayers_Boxer Slayers_Alicia MarineKingPrime.we Optimus/poltPrime.we
would be a dream list for me.
6 Terran, 2 Toss, 2 Zerg?
No, please.
I'd change it up to something like
oGsMC SlayerS_Alicia ZENEXPuzzle IMMVP ST_Bomber SlayerS_MMA/BoxeR (one or both are fine) IMNestea IMLosira MVP_DongRaeGu
IMO Add Sage or replace Alicia with Sage. Alicia is good but Sage is better
Four games from Sage is enough to make you think he is better than Alicia? Wow.
4 games isn't enough, but 4 minutes of artosis praising and overhyping the shit out of him is. Works that way with everyone including DRG.
"Hmm...2 time gsl champion vs overrated code B zerg". CLEARLY THE LATTER IS THE FAVORITE TO WIN THE TOURNAMENT.
Let's take this logic back to May.
Okay, so we have this noob, only have Team League games to go off of for this guy, and he's tried to get into Code A twice and failed. Only this one time did he succeed.
"Hmm...2 Time GSL Champion MVP vs. overrated Code A Terran." CLEARLY THE LATTER IS THE FAVORITE TO WIN THE MATCH
I'm completely unsold on Sage, mind you, and anyone who places DRG on the same level as NesTea is mad. I just think that, over the numerous posts I've seen from you, you place a massive and aggressive evaluative emphasis on results from GSL Individual Leagues and way too little on all other criteria.
That's all.
edit: another example I forgot, Seed. Where is the guy now? I get sick of the "this guy deserves code s but code b is just really hard" excuse. Those who have what it takes will find a way into code s. I know code b is ridiculously tough, but if you're truly the best of the best, you'll find your way through the qualifiers.
He's barely played in GSTL and is barely mentioned (except by Tasteless).
On August 02 2011 07:29 TheGiftedApe wrote: oGsMC oGsNada IMMVP IMNestea IMLosira Slayers_MMA Slayers_Boxer Slayers_Alicia MarineKingPrime.we Optimus/poltPrime.we
would be a dream list for me.
6 Terran, 2 Toss, 2 Zerg?
No, please.
I'd change it up to something like
oGsMC SlayerS_Alicia ZENEXPuzzle IMMVP ST_Bomber SlayerS_MMA/BoxeR (one or both are fine) IMNestea IMLosira MVP_DongRaeGu
IMO Add Sage or replace Alicia with Sage. Alicia is good but Sage is better
Four games from Sage is enough to make you think he is better than Alicia? Wow.
4 games isn't enough, but 4 minutes of artosis praising and overhyping the shit out of him is. Works that way with everyone including DRG.
"Hmm...2 time gsl champion vs overrated code B zerg". CLEARLY THE LATTER IS THE FAVORITE TO WIN THE TOURNAMENT.
Let's take this logic back to May.
Okay, so we have this noob, only have Team League games to go off of for this guy, and he's tried to get into Code A twice and failed. Only this one time did he succeed.
"Hmm...2 Time GSL Champion MVP vs. overrated Code A Terran." CLEARLY THE LATTER IS THE FAVORITE TO WIN THE MATCH
I'm completely unsold on Sage, mind you, and anyone who places DRG on the same level as NesTea is mad. I just think that, over the numerous posts I've seen from you, you place a massive and aggressive evaluative emphasis on results from GSL Individual Leagues and way too little on all other criteria.
That's all.
edit: another example I forgot, Seed. Where is the guy now? I get sick of the "this guy deserves code s but code b is just really hard" excuse. Those who have what it takes will find a way into code s. I know code b is ridiculously tough, but if you're truly the best of the best, you'll find your way through the qualifiers.
He's barely played in GSTL and is barely mentioned (except by Tasteless).
Didn't the guy get an all kill in some GSTL? I might be thinking of the wrong IM member.
On August 02 2011 07:29 TheGiftedApe wrote: oGsMC oGsNada IMMVP IMNestea IMLosira Slayers_MMA Slayers_Boxer Slayers_Alicia MarineKingPrime.we Optimus/poltPrime.we
would be a dream list for me.
6 Terran, 2 Toss, 2 Zerg?
No, please.
I'd change it up to something like
oGsMC SlayerS_Alicia ZENEXPuzzle IMMVP ST_Bomber SlayerS_MMA/BoxeR (one or both are fine) IMNestea IMLosira MVP_DongRaeGu
IMO Add Sage or replace Alicia with Sage. Alicia is good but Sage is better
Four games from Sage is enough to make you think he is better than Alicia? Wow.
4 games isn't enough, but 4 minutes of artosis praising and overhyping the shit out of him is. Works that way with everyone including DRG.
"Hmm...2 time gsl champion vs overrated code B zerg". CLEARLY THE LATTER IS THE FAVORITE TO WIN THE TOURNAMENT.
Let's take this logic back to May.
Okay, so we have this noob, only have Team League games to go off of for this guy, and he's tried to get into Code A twice and failed. Only this one time did he succeed.
"Hmm...2 Time GSL Champion MVP vs. overrated Code A Terran." CLEARLY THE LATTER IS THE FAVORITE TO WIN THE MATCH
I'm completely unsold on Sage, mind you, and anyone who places DRG on the same level as NesTea is mad. I just think that, over the numerous posts I've seen from you, you place a massive and aggressive evaluative emphasis on results from GSL Individual Leagues and way too little on all other criteria.
That's all.
edit: another example I forgot, Seed. Where is the guy now? I get sick of the "this guy deserves code s but code b is just really hard" excuse. Those who have what it takes will find a way into code s. I know code b is ridiculously tough, but if you're truly the best of the best, you'll find your way through the qualifiers.
He's barely played in GSTL and is barely mentioned (except by Tasteless).
Didn't the guy get an all kill in some GSTL? I might be thinking of the wrong IM member.
Seed didn't get an all-kill, only a 3 kill vs oGs way back in the GSTL 1. IM only had Losira all kill a team, I believe it was Zenex in GSTL 2
I'd like to see TheStC... although that'd mean another terran. he's a player that the foreign scene knows about and could use the exposure/code s spot.
On August 02 2011 11:28 Loodah wrote: If they don't invite MC protoss have no chance at winning an MLG any time soon
I'd say HuK and Nani have as good a chance as MC - I'd like to see more play out of puzzle and sage as well. Any of those three would be great invites IMO. As for the Zerg that will come over... Nestea is too baller. No way he's going to be out of the GSL when Raleigh rolls around. I hope MLG has the sense to invite 1-1-1 and then the defending champ from now on, but since DRG and Losira were already invited, I'm not sure who deserves it. One of the ZeNex guys (Coca/Line)? FXOLeenock? TSL_Revival?
On August 02 2011 01:01 Axel.Bowex wrote:Personally in my opinion I think that they should have just invited MVP and more protosses and zergs. In the last one they invited Boxer, MMA, MVP, and DRG. 3 Terrans and 1 zerg? >.> I'm guessing for now, Nestea will most likely be invited considering MLG Lee's tweets from July 30th.
MMA was the previous winner so he had to be invited. Boxer is a legend and MLG knew he'd be a fan favorite and attract more spectators. MVP is top 3 best terrans in korea and DRG was a decent pick. 3 terrans, 1 zerg? not a problem and I didn't find anything wrong with that considering that MC didn't want to come to this MLG.
MVP and Bomber are more obvious invites because MVP won this MLG and Bomber should have came to the previous MLG. I'm hoping the next two invites are Zerg and Protoss, so hopefully we'll see Nestea and MC.
On August 02 2011 11:28 Loodah wrote: If they don't invite MC protoss have no chance at winning an MLG any time soon
I'd say HuK and Nani have as good a chance as MC - I'd like to see more play out of puzzle and sage as well. Any of those three would be great invites IMO. As for the Zerg that will come over... Nestea is too baller. No way he's going to be out of the GSL when Raleigh rolls around. I hope MLG has the sense to invite 1-1-1 and then the defending champ from now on, but since DRG and Losira were already invited, I'm not sure who deserves it. One of the ZeNex guys (Coca/Line)? FXOLeenock? TSL_Revival?
Eh they can compete with MC in pvp but that's about it, and that's because it's pvp. The only games we saw of Huk and Naniwa were honestly terrible, their PvZ leaves something to be desired. MC protoss hope gogo Raleigh!
As long as they send non-terran players for last 2 spots, I will be super-excited. :D And it should be that way. I mean, I just don't want to see another situation like 5 terrans and 1 zerg at the last day of MLG Anaheim on Raleigh.
Personally, I'd love to see BBoongBBoong and Genius.
Have people already forgotten MC has a deal with SK Gaming? Even if he doesn't get an invite, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets sent over to compete anyway.
On August 04 2011 14:03 DizzyDrone wrote: Have people already forgotten MC has a deal with SK Gaming? Even if he doesn't get an invite, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets sent over to compete anyway.
I think the better question is have people forgotten MC got invited to columbus and they don't do re-invites unless it's the defending champion. 0% chance MC gets invited because he's been invited already.
If MVP doesn't accept they need to invite 2 protoss and a zerg to make up for this past MLG's all terran Semis/Finals. Clearly the Koreans are going to go very very deep at MLG, and it would be great for GSL/MLG to ensure they are sending players of all 3 races.
For protoss, i'm sure Puzzle is the overwhelming pick. Not sure who else i'd want to go. I know slayers sent all their players (aside from MMA), but no more terran invites please! Sorry MKP fans. Maybe next MLG.
We are pleased to announce the first two Korean pro players who will be invited to MLG Raleigh. First up, we have extended an invitation to STBomber, and he and his team have happily accepted it. Bomber was unable to make it the first time we invited him because of visa issues. Those issues have been resolved, and we can't wait to have him.
The second invite goes to IMMvp. It is MLG's policy to always invite the winner of one Event to the next Event, so they can defend their title. We hope Mvp will accept, and that we'll see him in Raleigh!
Thanks to all the Korean pros and teams who participated in MLG Anaheim, and to those who will be coming to Raleigh.
Personally in my opinion I think that they should have just invited MVP and more protosses and zergs. In the last one they invited Boxer, MMA, MVP, and DRG. 3 Terrans and 1 zerg? >.> I'm guessing for now, Nestea will most likely be invited considering MLG Lee's tweets from July 30th.
EDIT: Woops if a mod could change the title to "ST.Bomber and IMMVP invited to MLG Raleigh" Thanks! - Thanks whichever mod changed it!
they already said that bomber will be invited this time, cause last time he had to be changed
Even as a terran myself, I'd really like for there to be no more top korean terrans sent over and even for MVP to turn down his invitation (or maybe make it so far in GSL that he has to).
MLG is now ten times better because it always gets the ABSOLUTELY BEST players in the world. So this time we get to see the best 2 terrans duke it out again.
Correct me if im wrong, I may be misunderstood, but if MMA comes (by his own means) wont he be directly seeded into pool play due to his ranking ranked #2
On August 04 2011 14:59 Corvette wrote: Correct me if im wrong, I may be misunderstood, but if MMA comes (by his own means) wont he be directly seeded into pool play due to his ranking ranked #2
That is correct, if he comes without an invite, he gets seeded according to his mlg points.
He really needs another chance, we want a P, and as much as I love MC I´d prefer him staying there training to stop Nestea
As a Zerg player, hmm maybe july? he did great on his last MLG and it would be cool seeing the god of War in Pool play. he also shows great personality
On August 04 2011 14:59 Corvette wrote: Correct me if im wrong, I may be misunderstood, but if MMA comes (by his own means) wont he be directly seeded into pool play due to his ranking ranked #2
That is correct, if he comes without an invite, he gets seeded according to his mlg points.
no he has to go through open bracket, He was an invite thus he doesnt gain any points.
I'd like to see NesTea or Zenio @ MLG Raleigh tbh...way too many terrans. No good protosses shown themselves sofar recently apart from MC, Alicia bombed out hard from the open bracket. Puzzle might prove himself as really good, but too early to judge. HongUn does not seem like a popular guy, and sofar it has shown bias towards Koreans known in the foreign scene.
On August 04 2011 14:59 Corvette wrote: Correct me if im wrong, I may be misunderstood, but if MMA comes (by his own means) wont he be directly seeded into pool play due to his ranking ranked #2
That is correct, if he comes without an invite, he gets seeded according to his mlg points.
no he has to go through open bracket, He was an invite thus he doesnt gain any points.
That is a widespread belief, but it's actually not true. I'll see if I can find the rules regarding that.
On August 04 2011 15:09 00Visor wrote: They should bring some deserving Code B players, so they can compete for the Code S spot.
Protoss: Vines, Yonghwa, San, Sage Zerg: Revival, Curious, Line Random (!!): GuineaPig
Deserving Code B players would be in Code A if they were deserving in 9 out of 10 cases. People like DRG are the exception, not the rule. Those players are good, no doubt, but Code S/A is the top 64 not the "who is good according to Artosis based on 1 match they played once" competition. There is another 10~ or so players who are on par with those you mentioned who are the same level, like oGsHero
On August 04 2011 15:12 Elem wrote: I'd like to see NesTea or Zenio @ MLG Raleigh tbh...way too many terrans. No good protosses shown themselves sofar recently apart from MC, Alicia bombed out hard from the open bracket. Puzzle might prove himself as really good, but too early to judge. HongUn does not seem like a popular guy, and sofar it has shown bias towards Koreans known in the foreign scene.
Zenio would be a good choice, especially if placed in a group with idrA so he could beat him again I agree with giving a chance to some lesser known players, but the majority of people want the big names to hype up the event.
On August 04 2011 14:59 Corvette wrote: Correct me if im wrong, I may be misunderstood, but if MMA comes (by his own means) wont he be directly seeded into pool play due to his ranking ranked #2
That is correct, if he comes without an invite, he gets seeded according to his mlg points.
no he has to go through open bracket, He was an invite thus he doesnt gain any points.
That is a widespread belief, but it's actually not true. I'll see if I can find the rules regarding that.
actually its true, I remember an MLG admin post it around here.
On August 04 2011 14:59 Corvette wrote: Correct me if im wrong, I may be misunderstood, but if MMA comes (by his own means) wont he be directly seeded into pool play due to his ranking ranked #2
That is correct, if he comes without an invite, he gets seeded according to his mlg points.
no he has to go through open bracket, He was an invite thus he doesnt gain any points.
That is a widespread belief, but it's actually not true. I'll see if I can find the rules regarding that.
On August 04 2011 15:06 windsupernova wrote: Invite Alicia!
He really needs another chance, we want a P, and as much as I love MC I´d prefer him staying there training to stop Nestea
As a Zerg player, hmm maybe july? he did great on his last MLG and it would be cool seeing the god of War in Pool play. he also shows great personality
It would be great for Alicia to get a second chance. Pretty bad luck getting ToD so early on in the event. =/
On August 04 2011 15:09 00Visor wrote: They should bring some deserving Code B players, so they can compete for the Code S spot.
Protoss: Vines, Yonghwa, San, Sage Zerg: Revival, Curious, Line Random (!!): GuineaPig
Deserving Code B players would be in Code A if they were deserving in 9 out of 10 cases. People like DRG are the exception, not the rule. Those players are good, no doubt, but Code S/A is the top 64 not the "who is good according to Artosis based on 1 match they played once" competition. There is another 10~ or so players who are on par with those you mentioned who are the same level, like oGsHero
Dongraegu and Bomber were for sure the big exception, but they are clear Code S material. There are so many other players who are at the same level as most of code A. The exact top64 is impossible to determine. And with these single eliminations qualifiers and possible bracket fucks its easily possible to miss the spot.
On August 04 2011 14:59 Corvette wrote: Correct me if im wrong, I may be misunderstood, but if MMA comes (by his own means) wont he be directly seeded into pool play due to his ranking ranked #2
That is correct, if he comes without an invite, he gets seeded according to his mlg points.
no he has to go through open bracket, He was an invite thus he doesnt gain any points.
That is a widespread belief, but it's actually not true. I'll see if I can find the rules regarding that.
actually its true, I remember an MLG admin post it around here.
"No matter what their MLG seed is, the invited GSL pro players will be placed in Pools based on their GSL rank. The #1 ranked GSL pro player will always be placed into Pool D, etc."
This is implying that invited koreans can have a MLG seed, it just doesn't apply for when they get invites for an event.
On August 04 2011 15:09 00Visor wrote: They should bring some deserving Code B players, so they can compete for the Code S spot.
Protoss: Vines, Yonghwa, San, Sage Zerg: Revival, Curious, Line Random (!!): GuineaPig
Deserving Code B players would be in Code A if they were deserving in 9 out of 10 cases. People like DRG are the exception, not the rule. Those players are good, no doubt, but Code S/A is the top 64 not the "who is good according to Artosis based on 1 match they played once" competition. There is another 10~ or so players who are on par with those you mentioned who are the same level, like oGsHero
Dongraegu and Bomber were for sure the big exception, but they are clear Code S material. There are so many other players who are at the same level as most of code A. The exact top64 is impossible to determine. And with these single eliminations qualifiers and possible bracket fucks its easily possible to miss the spot.
Those are good players but the only ones I would consider being invite material are San and possibly Yonghwa and Sage. Sage hasn't done much since that one GSTL that he did well in, and Sage hasn't done much other than that all-kill, which, while impressive, doesn't show consistency.
On August 04 2011 15:09 00Visor wrote: They should bring some deserving Code B players, so they can compete for the Code S spot.
Protoss: Vines, Yonghwa, San, Sage Zerg: Revival, Curious, Line Random (!!): GuineaPig
Deserving Code B players would be in Code A if they were deserving in 9 out of 10 cases. People like DRG are the exception, not the rule. Those players are good, no doubt, but Code S/A is the top 64 not the "who is good according to Artosis based on 1 match they played once" competition. There is another 10~ or so players who are on par with those you mentioned who are the same level, like oGsHero
Dongraegu and Bomber were for sure the big exception, but they are clear Code S material. There are so many other players who are at the same level as most of code A. The exact top64 is impossible to determine. And with these single eliminations qualifiers and possible bracket fucks its easily possible to miss the spot.
Those are good players but the only ones I would consider being invite material are San and possibly Yonghwa and Sage. Sage hasn't done much since that one GSTL that he did well in, and Sage hasn't done much other than that all-kill, which, while impressive, doesn't show consistency.
Sage for example was in the semi final of the LG tourney and had 2 semifinals and 1 quarterfinal in ICCUP weeklys. Thats some consistency for me. What could he do else outside of GSL?
Mr. Chae also just apoligized to Tyler on twitter. Who else did tyler say he wanted kept far away? Maybe DRG and MC again? They're both out of Code A/S already.
DRG just said on twitter he's going to MLG again. Or more accurately that he could get code S easily through MLG.
I would be very disappointed to see DRG sent again. There are many other zergs that should get the chance. Maybe Nestea couldn't go but that doesn't mean there aren't also many others besides him.
I believe they trust nestea to make it pretty far into the GSL. I don't mind seeing Operation: Get DRG into Code S v2.0.
MC has to go through up and down matches: will they send him to MLG? Or will they keep him out to give more chances to DRG?
If DRG is coming back, I hope the casters will call him by DongRaeGu instead of DRG.
The boost of confidence Korean players get from interacting with foreign fans alone may motivate teams to send their players into MLG. I believe Anaheim was a giant moral boost to the whole Slayers team in trying times.
On August 12 2011 04:07 atmuh wrote: I would be very disappointed to see DRG sent again. There are many other zergs that should get the chance. Maybe Nestea couldn't go but that doesn't mean there are also many others besides him.
All the top zergs will be committed to GSL tbh. It is looking more and more like DRG and MC/Sage.
It would be quite unpleasant for GSL to have MC go down, but bringing DRG and Sage up to Code S faster would certainly be a good thing.
I wonder who the Z and P invites are. Holding my breath for Nestea, and maybe Sage or Puzzle?
Edit: Pretty sure they won't/can't re-invite DRG because he wouldn't be the returning champ. If he's coming, it'll be on his team or him to fund the trip.
Would love to see Sage and perhaps Revival (watch today's team league games vs oGs) come to Raleigh. Would like for different players to be invited each time, so I don't really want to see DRG come again.
Also, if Mr. Chae was referring once again to an SOTG episode, it could very well be Nestea coming, since Tyler downplayed DRG (while still acknowledging him as a great player) while saying something along the lines of "at least it wasn't Nestea". Would be cool if Nestea smashed both GSL and MLG to become the first SC2 bonjwah (yeah, I used the b-word).
Since MC got knocked out of GSL it would be awesome to see him return, paying his way there on his own like an a-class baller. Same for Boxer and Alicia (would be hilarious if he's eliminated by ToD again).
On August 12 2011 04:43 NuclearJudas wrote: Would love to see Sage and perhaps Revival (watch today's team league games vs oGs) come to Raleigh. Would like for different players to be invited each time, so I don't really want to see DRG come again.
Also, if Mr. Chae was referring once again to an SOTG episode, it could very well be Nestea coming, since Tyler downplayed DRG (while still acknowledging him as a great player) while saying something along the lines of "at least it wasn't Nestea". Would be cool if Nestea smashed both GSL and MLG to become the first SC2 bonjwah (yeah, I used the b-word).
Since MC got knocked out of GSL it would be awesome to see him return, paying his way there on his own like an a-class baller. Same for Boxer and Alicia (would be hilarious if he's eliminated by ToD again).
MC Still in GSL, might not be out of Code S if he does good in Up & Down.
On August 12 2011 04:43 NuclearJudas wrote: Would love to see Sage and perhaps Revival (watch today's team league games vs oGs) come to Raleigh. Would like for different players to be invited each time, so I don't really want to see DRG come again.
Also, if Mr. Chae was referring once again to an SOTG episode, it could very well be Nestea coming, since Tyler downplayed DRG (while still acknowledging him as a great player) while saying something along the lines of "at least it wasn't Nestea". Would be cool if Nestea smashed both GSL and MLG to become the first SC2 bonjwah (yeah, I used the b-word).
Since MC got knocked out of GSL it would be awesome to see him return, paying his way there on his own like an a-class baller. Same for Boxer and Alicia (would be hilarious if he's eliminated by ToD again).
MC Still in GSL, might not be out of Code S if he does good in Up & Down.
Code S Ro8 doesn't even start until Raleigh ends, so MC could theoretically come to Raleigh and still have a lot of time to get back and prepare for up & down. MLG doesn't conflict with GSL finals week this month.
On August 12 2011 04:43 NuclearJudas wrote: Would love to see Sage and perhaps Revival (watch today's team league games vs oGs) come to Raleigh. Would like for different players to be invited each time, so I don't really want to see DRG come again.
Also, if Mr. Chae was referring once again to an SOTG episode, it could very well be Nestea coming, since Tyler downplayed DRG (while still acknowledging him as a great player) while saying something along the lines of "at least it wasn't Nestea". Would be cool if Nestea smashed both GSL and MLG to become the first SC2 bonjwah (yeah, I used the b-word).
Since MC got knocked out of GSL it would be awesome to see him return, paying his way there on his own like an a-class baller. Same for Boxer and Alicia (would be hilarious if he's eliminated by ToD again).
MC Still in GSL, might not be out of Code S if he does good in Up & Down.
Code S Ro8 doesn't even start until Raleigh ends, so MC could theoretically come to Raleigh and still have a lot of time to get back and prepare for up & down. MLG doesn't conflict with GSL finals week this month.
MC said that travelling out of korea is equal to losing a weeks worth of practice... no way he wants to do that anymore.
guys they won't invite someone that they already did for a previous MLG (unless that player is the current champion) so no MC, DRG or Boxer. My guess is Nestea and Puzzle.
On August 12 2011 04:43 NuclearJudas wrote: Would love to see Sage and perhaps Revival (watch today's team league games vs oGs) come to Raleigh. Would like for different players to be invited each time, so I don't really want to see DRG come again.
Also, if Mr. Chae was referring once again to an SOTG episode, it could very well be Nestea coming, since Tyler downplayed DRG (while still acknowledging him as a great player) while saying something along the lines of "at least it wasn't Nestea". Would be cool if Nestea smashed both GSL and MLG to become the first SC2 bonjwah (yeah, I used the b-word).
Since MC got knocked out of GSL it would be awesome to see him return, paying his way there on his own like an a-class baller. Same for Boxer and Alicia (would be hilarious if he's eliminated by ToD again).
MC Still in GSL, might not be out of Code S if he does good in Up & Down.
Code S Ro8 doesn't even start until Raleigh ends, so MC could theoretically come to Raleigh and still have a lot of time to get back and prepare for up & down. MLG doesn't conflict with GSL finals week this month.
What I was trying to say is that I doubt they invite that many people who already are in Code S, thus making the GSL/MLG Exchange system a bit more beneficial for koreans. Boxer/MMA/DRG were there for the Code A/S Spots last time.
Interesting. Looks like MVP doesn't want 5k bucks for free. I fear Mr. Chae will send players who are weaker than DRG to secure his Code S spot this time.
Guy seems terribly overrated to me. Of course he'll beat the foreigners, but thats about it.
Stfu asshole
Dong is not overated, hes very good, it just so happens he has ran into very good oppenents also. There is no shame in loosing to MVP/MMA/ And now this new protoss god from what i saw yesterday in a ridiculous game.
On August 02 2011 01:06 Like a Boss wrote: I would love to see them invite Nestea.
No Chance if he goes far into this GSL.
Code S Ro8 doesn't even start until Raleigh ends, so MC could theoretically come to Raleigh and still have a lot of time to get back and prepare for up & down. MLG doesn't conflict with GSL finals week this month.
MC said he wants to focus on GSL and won't attend Foreign Events for a long time.
Send Marineking or sC to replace MVP!! Excited to see who the Protoss and Zerg invites are going to be. Code S players or lower league players trying to get that code S spot?
I'm excited to see some of these players that i haven't seen before play, but I am definitely in favor of more racial variety because watching four TvT Bo3 matches in a row got really boring, really quickly.
i have no idea about good toss that has a chance against all this terrans rly :S i would like to see Sage or JYP i guess but there is a huge chance they fail miserably and dont invite someone from the worst protoss pls (tester genius hongun anypro) i want to watch new blood killer and puzzle aren't a bad idea either but better not
On August 12 2011 06:18 crms wrote: kinda lame NaDa is being sent by MLG since wouldn't he likely be sent by col? should have grabbed a player without a nonkorean sponsor!
On August 12 2011 06:18 crms wrote: kinda lame NaDa is being sent by MLG since wouldn't he likely be sent by col? should have grabbed a player without a nonkorean sponsor!
anyway nada fighting!
Why would NaDa be sent by col? Team MVP is the one that signed with col, not oGs. Are you perhaps thinking of oGs-SK partnership?
On August 12 2011 06:18 crms wrote: kinda lame NaDa is being sent by MLG since wouldn't he likely be sent by col? should have grabbed a player without a nonkorean sponsor!
anyway nada fighting!
I guess you mean SK because NaDa is not sponsored by coL. But then MLG shouldn't have invited DRG last time, because he was sponsored by coL that time or MMA/Boxer last time? IMO they should send those who they want.
Code S Ro8 doesn't even start until Raleigh ends, so MC could theoretically come to Raleigh and still have a lot of time to get back and prepare for up & down. MLG doesn't conflict with GSL finals week this month.
MC said he wants to focus on GSL and won't attend Foreign Events for a long time.
His, or MVPs, road will end very soon, as they are meeting in the ro16. I think them not going out has to do with IM's lack of performance in the team league. I think they are just going to focus full time on trying to get back into the playoff race.
Invited players should not keep their rank points. It is unfair to the open bracket players. There you have four lucky guys who get seeded, because they have been invited due to being Koreans and there you have others who go through the meat grinder and never see pool play.
They only thing that should contracually be cleared with the GSL is that MLG can force the last winner to come over. If you want to play the premier league you need to have this kind of championship clause.
On August 12 2011 06:28 Dexx wrote: Invited players should not keep their rank points. It is unfair to the open bracket players. There you have four lucky guys who get seeded, because they have been invited due to being Koreans and there you have others who go through the meat grinder and never see pool play.
They only thing that should contracually be cleared with the GSL is that MLG can force the last winner to come over. If you want to play the premier league you need to have this kind of championship clause.
It's more like Championship. MVP declined going back due to playing in the premier league. Nothing weird with that to be honest. It has been quite obvious the last couple of months that traveling really hurts overall performance.
And what you're saying could be said for code a as well. There you have lucky foreigners not having to go through the code-b qualifiers (probably harder then MLG open) for a shot in code-s.
EPT
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