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On July 29 2011 17:49 zaii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 17:27 Bobster wrote:
If you can't increase the prize pool budget, just take the money from the CoD and Halo circuits, ridiculous that they're getting anything close to the same amount of prize money per person when SC2 is the event that brings in the publicity, attention, people and as a result - the money. All the prizemoney from CoD is coming from SONY, and Halo always gets sold out.
Also it's kind of ridiculous to say that SC2 brings in all the publicity, attention, etc., when MLG was doing fine as a company before SC2 came on the scene. I know that a large portion of this community are made up of PC elitists but I'm not a fan of taking money away from a certain scene to give to another just because of your game preferences.
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On July 29 2011 17:56 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 17:49 zaii wrote:On July 29 2011 17:27 Bobster wrote:
If you can't increase the prize pool budget, just take the money from the CoD and Halo circuits, ridiculous that they're getting anything close to the same amount of prize money per person when SC2 is the event that brings in the publicity, attention, people and as a result - the money. All the prizemoney from CoD is coming from SONY, and Halo always gets sold out. Also it's kind of ridiculous to say that SC2 brings in all the publicity, attention, etc., when MLG was doing fine as a company before SC2 came on the scene.
They were? I seem to remember Sundance talking on State of the Game about the awful (financially) position they were in in the past.
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MLG has gotten bigger regardless of what Sundance wants it to get to, and it's completely thanks to Starcraft, they're putting a good amount of money into making MLG better production wise.
but they can't just have this huge tournament with amazing production value and not support the pros that make the whole damn thing possible.
WTF do we need, a union for our pro players?
If he's saying if it gets that big it's going to be huge prize pool awesome... if he's saying if it doesn't get that high than the prize pool won't raise at all then that's fucked
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It hurts to see how many of you believe that Sundance will lower the prize pool. IT IS CALLED SARCASM. He knows that they will get 100k HQ subscriptions. He knows what number they are at, and I even guess they are closer to that number than you think. Otherwise he would have never have tweeted it to begin with.
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On July 29 2011 18:00 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 17:56 DystopiaX wrote:On July 29 2011 17:49 zaii wrote:On July 29 2011 17:27 Bobster wrote:
If you can't increase the prize pool budget, just take the money from the CoD and Halo circuits, ridiculous that they're getting anything close to the same amount of prize money per person when SC2 is the event that brings in the publicity, attention, people and as a result - the money. All the prizemoney from CoD is coming from SONY, and Halo always gets sold out. Also it's kind of ridiculous to say that SC2 brings in all the publicity, attention, etc., when MLG was doing fine as a company before SC2 came on the scene. They were? I seem to remember Sundance talking on State of the Game about the awful (financially) position they were in in the past.
I seem to remember isn't really helping your cause. Before you speak in that tone of "I'm absolutely correct" can we get a source on your fact?
I've never heard of MLG before I got into SC2, so they are no doubt getting publicity from SC2 players, dunno about the majority of it though, cod and halo are still big.
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On July 29 2011 18:10 PRIMExTIME wrote:
It hurts to see how many of you believe that Sundance will lower the prize pool. IT IS CALLED SARCASM. He knows that they will get 100k HQ subscriptions. He knows what number they are at, and I even guess they are closer to that number than you think. Otherwise he would have never have tweeted it to begin with.
Thank you. I made this point 3 pages ago, but noone seems to have noticed.
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I got 4 pages into this before realizing how people don't understand how MLG gets money works... lol They have 50mil in the bank, they don't get 50 mil a year........ lol silly silly people. MLG has to use that 50mil they have now to try to make MLG a sustainable business over the course of it's entire lifetime, hopefully they get more money and hopefully one day they wont need investors to put on these shows, the shows will sustain themselves.
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Probably about no one outside the US has heard much about MLG before SC2 
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hell i was thinking about doing the mlg member service just to donate =o
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My favourite part is that it doesn't matter what the prize pool is. They could be playing for free and we would all still watch and the pro's would still go.
Why will we watch? Because it's a great event. All of the worlds top players are there. It is THE competition to win.
Why will the pros go? Because it is great publicity for their sponsors and it has, as I mentioned above, the greatest competition in terms of who is there.
I looked at the Championship Bracket this year and in half of the groups there is no one player who is above the rest. In the groups that you do have a player who is clearly better, the second spot is a toss up between everyone in the group.
Then you look at the Open Bracket and I cry when I think about how many great players aren't able to get through just because of how few open spots there are.
I couldn't care less what Sundance did. He could drive through the streets of LA in a lamborghini throwing money out of the window as he laughed at the people who spent 30$ so they didn't have to see ads and could make out the supply count. I would still watch it. I would still pay my 30$ and I'm pretty sure 90% of the other people who pay for the HD stream would do the same.
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On July 29 2011 18:29 JoFritzMD wrote:
My favourite part is that it doesn't matter what the prize pool is. They could be playing for free and we would all still watch and the pro's would still go.
Why will we watch? Because it's a great event. All of the worlds top players are there. It is THE competition to win.
Why will the pros go? Because it is great publicity for their sponsors and it has, as I mentioned above, the greatest competition in terms of who is there.
I looked at the Championship Bracket this year and in half of the groups there is no one player who is above the rest. In the groups that you do have a player who is clearly better, the second spot is a toss up between everyone in the group.
Then you look at the Open Bracket and I cry when I think about how many great players aren't able to get through just because of how few open spots there are.
I couldn't care less what Sundance did. He could drive through the streets of LA in a lamborghini throwing money out of the window as he laughed at the people who spent 30$ so they didn't have to see ads and could make out the supply count. I would still watch it. I would still pay my 30$ and I'm pretty sure 90% of the other people who pay for the HD stream would do the same.
Do you honestly think that pro's that don't live a couple hours away (ea koreans/europeans) would even consider the participate if it was free?
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On July 29 2011 18:51 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 18:29 JoFritzMD wrote:
My favourite part is that it doesn't matter what the prize pool is. They could be playing for free and we would all still watch and the pro's would still go.
Why will we watch? Because it's a great event. All of the worlds top players are there. It is THE competition to win.
Why will the pros go? Because it is great publicity for their sponsors and it has, as I mentioned above, the greatest competition in terms of who is there.
I looked at the Championship Bracket this year and in half of the groups there is no one player who is above the rest. In the groups that you do have a player who is clearly better, the second spot is a toss up between everyone in the group.
Then you look at the Open Bracket and I cry when I think about how many great players aren't able to get through just because of how few open spots there are.
I couldn't care less what Sundance did. He could drive through the streets of LA in a lamborghini throwing money out of the window as he laughed at the people who spent 30$ so they didn't have to see ads and could make out the supply count. I would still watch it. I would still pay my 30$ and I'm pretty sure 90% of the other people who pay for the HD stream would do the same.
Do you honestly think that pro's that don't live a couple hours away (ea koreans/europeans) would even consider the participate if it was free?
If they had sponsors that would pay the trip, I think they'd do. But if not, then not. 
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Well, it seems as if Sundance really wants to sell these memberships. Kind of weird that the biggest hurdle for me to buy one of the said memberships is because nobody answers my question in the promoted thread. :-/
I'm really eager to get a membership, if it is economically viable for somebody who plans on buying passes to most of the MLG events. Hopefully, the benefits don't mainly concentrate on people who plan to attend the events live, I live too far away for that... maybe after MLG expands to europe...?
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On July 29 2011 18:51 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 18:29 JoFritzMD wrote:
My favourite part is that it doesn't matter what the prize pool is. They could be playing for free and we would all still watch and the pro's would still go.
Why will we watch? Because it's a great event. All of the worlds top players are there. It is THE competition to win.
Why will the pros go? Because it is great publicity for their sponsors and it has, as I mentioned above, the greatest competition in terms of who is there.
I looked at the Championship Bracket this year and in half of the groups there is no one player who is above the rest. In the groups that you do have a player who is clearly better, the second spot is a toss up between everyone in the group.
Then you look at the Open Bracket and I cry when I think about how many great players aren't able to get through just because of how few open spots there are.
I couldn't care less what Sundance did. He could drive through the streets of LA in a lamborghini throwing money out of the window as he laughed at the people who spent 30$ so they didn't have to see ads and could make out the supply count. I would still watch it. I would still pay my 30$ and I'm pretty sure 90% of the other people who pay for the HD stream would do the same.
Do you honestly think that pro's that don't live a couple hours away (ea koreans/europeans) would even consider the participate if it was free?
Do you honestly think that every single pro there thinks they are going to come in the top 3 at the tournament? (
Chances of them winning are what? 5 to 1? 20 to 1? The majority aren't there for the prize money. Hell, the majority of players are already playing for free.
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I've followed MLG for a long time, and I must say that this is probably being blown out of proportion.
MLG has done what it takes to make sure that it can be a stable financial enterprise since its inception. If anything, they gave out way too much prize money in their beginning stages. Now they are finally reaching a point where they are starting to really profit from these events (seriously, Columbus was the first event in years with a profit).
People (myself included once upon a time) have complained and posted at volume about how MLG should increase prize money. However, the MLG a lot of the SC2 community is seeing this year is LEAPS AND BOUNDS greater than any other season in MLG's history. So, in seeing where MLG is at right now, it can make it difficult to appreciate where MLG is coming from. They are a company that listens to its fans and wants to compensate the players that give themselves to play in their tournament. Just give SD and the guys some time because the MLG scene has grown expansively in a rather short amount of time.
Oh, and about the tweet, that is just classic Sunny D. For anyone that tries to say he is a penny pincher that is only out for the money has obviously never met the man, nor any of the guys at MLG for that matter. He genuinely wants to see eSports become huge, but he also wants to be smart about his company's involvement on every level, including player winnings.
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does he think that community is that stupid ?
atleast be honest and make the prize pool equal to the money players pay to play in ur tourny.
i don't know why would anyone but players care about prize money
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I'm not going to buy a stream just so the prize pool increases. The free stream's good enough and the players attracted are good enough, i just wish i could help the players. I don't work so it's kinda hard to donate/pay etc.
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It look like a joke for me, it's too much money, it's only logical that they'd increase the prize pool if they get that memberships.
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I actually purchased gold membership before I read this. Here's to hoping it happens!
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