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ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
July 29 2011 07:47 GMT
#101
MLG is a business, and they have given up many a free stream in the past to make up for bad performances.. I think they deserve every penny this time around

Also - 30 bucks for not having phrases like "STICK A FORK IN THOSE BUNS!" imprinted in your brain forever, is an easy choice for me.. And yes, I would gladly pay that to having to juggle the two streams and muting them every time there is a commercial

I have paid 110 dollars for Starcraft streams this month (GSL, GSTL and MLG) and I feel proud to say that I supported these organizations
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
July 29 2011 07:49 GMT
#102
On July 29 2011 16:41 Disquiet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 16:40 justinpal wrote:
On July 29 2011 16:37 Disquiet wrote:
On July 29 2011 16:20 zaii wrote:
On July 29 2011 16:18 Disquiet wrote:
MLG gives out way more prize money to the COD and halo scene, and is probably not breaking even in those areas(maybe halo). The sc2 prizepool is small by comparison, yet it is their most popular event. I'd like to see some rebalancing.


No they don't give out more money to Halo/Cod, SC2 actually gets more of the prize money in total.

Also is everyone forgetting that MLG is gonna expand to South America? A lot of the 50 million investment could be for that.

Please don't spout absolute bullshit, Halo has a 50k prizepool, cod ~30k, sc2 has 14k.


Halo teams are made up of 4 people, CoD is 4 too or 5? I don't really know. I'm pretty sure per person the prizes are the same.

Maybe, but they still give out much more money to halo and cod.


thats because they are in teams wtf, Halo/Cod doesn't get more prize money then SC2.
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4418 Posts
July 29 2011 07:51 GMT
#103
On July 29 2011 16:49 zaii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 16:41 Disquiet wrote:
On July 29 2011 16:40 justinpal wrote:
On July 29 2011 16:37 Disquiet wrote:
On July 29 2011 16:20 zaii wrote:
On July 29 2011 16:18 Disquiet wrote:
MLG gives out way more prize money to the COD and halo scene, and is probably not breaking even in those areas(maybe halo). The sc2 prizepool is small by comparison, yet it is their most popular event. I'd like to see some rebalancing.


No they don't give out more money to Halo/Cod, SC2 actually gets more of the prize money in total.

Also is everyone forgetting that MLG is gonna expand to South America? A lot of the 50 million investment could be for that.

Please don't spout absolute bullshit, Halo has a 50k prizepool, cod ~30k, sc2 has 14k.


Halo teams are made up of 4 people, CoD is 4 too or 5? I don't really know. I'm pretty sure per person the prizes are the same.

Maybe, but they still give out much more money to halo and cod.


thats because they are in teams wtf, Halo/Cod doesn't get more prize money then SC2.


Halo/Cod players don't. Halo/Cod as a whole does. The whole is what is more important.
DtorR
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia171 Posts
July 29 2011 07:53 GMT
#104
5k is still a lot of money if it is earned in 3 days. However if we want MLG to make sc2 bigger, than it doesn't hurt to pay for membership as long as I can always watch my superstars play. Its just like watching your favourite sports club team.
FunnelC4kes
Profile Joined July 2010
Ireland462 Posts
July 29 2011 07:55 GMT
#105
I'm guessing it's some type of incentive bonus structure from the sponsors.

100k sounds rather arbitrary, but it paying members are a guaranteed audience. It'll help MLG find potential sponsors for future events, if anything else. That opens up a lot of doors for more "mainstream" forms of advertisement (outside of cheap internet advertising) which could potentially grow the prestige of e-sports through said advertisement.

There's lots of reasons, but I'd say this is a good start. 100k is a great number to toss at for future marketing prospects.
Scholar. Shaman. Starcraft Enthusiast.
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 07:59:37
July 29 2011 07:59 GMT
#106
On July 29 2011 16:51 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 16:49 zaii wrote:
On July 29 2011 16:41 Disquiet wrote:
On July 29 2011 16:40 justinpal wrote:
On July 29 2011 16:37 Disquiet wrote:
On July 29 2011 16:20 zaii wrote:
On July 29 2011 16:18 Disquiet wrote:
MLG gives out way more prize money to the COD and halo scene, and is probably not breaking even in those areas(maybe halo). The sc2 prizepool is small by comparison, yet it is their most popular event. I'd like to see some rebalancing.


No they don't give out more money to Halo/Cod, SC2 actually gets more of the prize money in total.

Also is everyone forgetting that MLG is gonna expand to South America? A lot of the 50 million investment could be for that.

Please don't spout absolute bullshit, Halo has a 50k prizepool, cod ~30k, sc2 has 14k.


Halo teams are made up of 4 people, CoD is 4 too or 5? I don't really know. I'm pretty sure per person the prizes are the same.

Maybe, but they still give out much more money to halo and cod.


thats because they are in teams wtf, Halo/Cod doesn't get more prize money then SC2.


Halo/Cod players don't. Halo/Cod as a whole does. The whole is what is more important.


they have to split the money which is equal to SC2.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10881 Posts
July 29 2011 08:13 GMT
#107
On July 29 2011 16:32 justinpal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 16:24 Velr wrote:
On July 29 2011 14:20 iNcontroL wrote:
Uhhh if you give me a million dollars I will raise the prizepool??? Wow! That is amazing!


It's really funny... I just came up with a business plan.


Everybody send me money, I will use some of it to create a tourney with a pricepool depending on how much money you give me...

Before you decline, think twice. Not sending me money, is hurting ESPORTS!


This is what TB is doing (granted he's not just asking for most of the money). I love him for that.



In short: NO.

In long: Not at all

TB is using the money he gets from his streaming (and probably donations, if he gets some) to fund his tournament.
MLG is asking to send them money/buy their product so they can increase the price pool and make more money themselves.

TB is essentially "giving back" something (even if he makes profit with it, which I doubt).
MLG is begging to send them money so they can use it in a future event to raise the pricepool (and earn more money in general).

How is this the same?
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
July 29 2011 08:16 GMT
#108
On July 29 2011 17:13 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 16:32 justinpal wrote:
On July 29 2011 16:24 Velr wrote:
On July 29 2011 14:20 iNcontroL wrote:
Uhhh if you give me a million dollars I will raise the prizepool??? Wow! That is amazing!


It's really funny... I just came up with a business plan.


Everybody send me money, I will use some of it to create a tourney with a pricepool depending on how much money you give me...

Before you decline, think twice. Not sending me money, is hurting ESPORTS!


This is what TB is doing (granted he's not just asking for most of the money). I love him for that.



In short: NO.

In long: Not at all

TB is using the money he gets from his streaming (and probably donations, if he gets some) to fund his tournament.
MLG is asking to send them money/buy their product so they can increase the price pool and make more money themselves.

TB is essentially "giving back" something (even if he makes profit with it, which I doubt).
MLG is begging to send them money so they can use it in a future event to raise the pricepool (and earn more money in general).

How is this the same?


MLG is giving an option to increase the prize pool earlier there what they're planning.
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
July 29 2011 08:20 GMT
#109
Meh, nice tactic I guess.

Just to make a comment about prize pools being similar.. It shouldn't matter if they are a team sport or not. What matters is which bring more success. If Sc2 is getting the same draws as Halo then the prize pool needs to be the same. Does not matter if one person gets that $20K. That's just the nature of the eSport as it is played.

Prize winnings for doubles in tennis aren't twice as large as singles. That's simply cause singles are the main event.
Someone call down the Thunder?
Sworn
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada920 Posts
July 29 2011 08:20 GMT
#110
Well I don't think I will be buying a pass from MLG ever. They have fucked up constantly then they ask for more money so they can increase their revenue and put a little bit towards prize pool? Plus the way sundance did it is probably one of the biggest douche moves I have ever seen.
"Duty is heavy as a mountain, death is light as a feather." CJ Entus Fighting! <3 Effort
Jetaap
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France4814 Posts
July 29 2011 08:22 GMT
#111
On July 29 2011 17:13 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 16:32 justinpal wrote:
On July 29 2011 16:24 Velr wrote:
On July 29 2011 14:20 iNcontroL wrote:
Uhhh if you give me a million dollars I will raise the prizepool??? Wow! That is amazing!


It's really funny... I just came up with a business plan.


Everybody send me money, I will use some of it to create a tourney with a pricepool depending on how much money you give me...

Before you decline, think twice. Not sending me money, is hurting ESPORTS!


This is what TB is doing (granted he's not just asking for most of the money). I love him for that.



In short: NO.

In long: Not at all

TB is using the money he gets from his streaming (and probably donations, if he gets some) to fund his tournament.
MLG is asking to send them money/buy their product so they can increase the price pool and make more money themselves.

TB is essentially "giving back" something (even if he makes profit with it, which I doubt).
MLG is begging to send them money so they can use it in a future event to raise the pricepool (and earn more money in general).

How is this the same?


They're not asking for donations, they're selling a product. MLG has spent a lot of money to fix their stream and make the event amazing, I'm pretty sure they lost a lot of money this year. They probably need something to show to the people who invested in the company: here are the stream views, and here are the suscribers, your money has been wasted. It would suck for MLG to run into big financial troubles, so I understand why they need to prove their business model before the end of the year.

However I think it's some bad PR, it gives the impression that MLG is greedy, sundance could have worded it better.
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
July 29 2011 08:27 GMT
#112
If you can't increase the prize pool budget, just take the money from the CoD and Halo circuits, ridiculous that they're getting anything close to the same amount of prize money per person when SC2 is the event that brings in the publicity, attention, people and as a result - the money.
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
July 29 2011 08:28 GMT
#113
On July 29 2011 16:47 ELA wrote:
Also - 30 bucks for not having phrases like "STICK A FORK IN THOSE BUNS!" imprinted in your brain forever, is an easy choice for me.. And yes, I would gladly pay that to having to juggle the two streams and muting them every time there is a commercial

I don't know, thinking about it afterwards, it really was a certain experience watching those commercials over and over again

But yeah, they really have to raise the cash for MLG. These tourneys(before end of the year) have such a low price pool, that the cost of going there must cost a fortune compared to it.

Heck I'd guess the main reason progamers bother is not because of sponsors but rather because of the insanely fun atmosphere around MLG.
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
July 29 2011 08:31 GMT
#114
On July 29 2011 17:13 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 16:32 justinpal wrote:
On July 29 2011 16:24 Velr wrote:
On July 29 2011 14:20 iNcontroL wrote:
Uhhh if you give me a million dollars I will raise the prizepool??? Wow! That is amazing!


It's really funny... I just came up with a business plan.


Everybody send me money, I will use some of it to create a tourney with a pricepool depending on how much money you give me...

Before you decline, think twice. Not sending me money, is hurting ESPORTS!


This is what TB is doing (granted he's not just asking for most of the money). I love him for that.



In short: NO.

In long: Not at all

TB is using the money he gets from his streaming (and probably donations, if he gets some) to fund his tournament.
MLG is asking to send them money/buy their product so they can increase the price pool and make more money themselves.

TB is essentially "giving back" something (even if he makes profit with it, which I doubt).
MLG is begging to send them money so they can use it in a future event to raise the pricepool (and earn more money in general).

How is this the same?


Your post is meant to say In even longer: I guess.

I believe during Shoutcraft he was describing how he got donations. I didn't say he was doing anything similiar to MLG at all. Just what I quoted. If you had read my post I said he's not asking for most of the money, which is the money he receives from streaming.

I never said he made any profit. I was just implying what you stated that he takes what the community gives and gives it straight to the players.
Never make a hydralisk.
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
July 29 2011 08:35 GMT
#115
MLG is clearly increasing in popularity with the arrival of SC2. However 100,000 memberships seems way too high to be asking for. Considering the prize pool seems low compared to other tournaments, and should be raised anyhow.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
July 29 2011 08:37 GMT
#116
The gold membership is a great deal. $30 for a year of hd, commercial free streams and some other perks. People will spend $10 on one event just for hd streaming.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 08:44:27
July 29 2011 08:37 GMT
#117
On July 29 2011 17:31 justinpal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 17:13 Velr wrote:
On July 29 2011 16:32 justinpal wrote:
On July 29 2011 16:24 Velr wrote:
On July 29 2011 14:20 iNcontroL wrote:
Uhhh if you give me a million dollars I will raise the prizepool??? Wow! That is amazing!


It's really funny... I just came up with a business plan.


Everybody send me money, I will use some of it to create a tourney with a pricepool depending on how much money you give me...

Before you decline, think twice. Not sending me money, is hurting ESPORTS!


This is what TB is doing (granted he's not just asking for most of the money). I love him for that.



In short: NO.

In long: Not at all

TB is using the money he gets from his streaming (and probably donations, if he gets some) to fund his tournament.
MLG is asking to send them money/buy their product so they can increase the price pool and make more money themselves.

TB is essentially "giving back" something (even if he makes profit with it, which I doubt).
MLG is begging to send them money so they can use it in a future event to raise the pricepool (and earn more money in general).

How is this the same?


Your post is meant to say In even longer: I guess.

I believe during Shoutcraft he was describing how he got donations. I didn't say he was doing anything similiar to MLG at all. Just what I quoted. If you had read my post I said he's not asking for most of the money, which is the money he receives from streaming.

I never said he made any profit. I was just implying what you stated that he takes what the community gives and gives it straight to the players.


I think you are forgetting the value that you get for the 30$ - Isn't that somewhat important as well?? I mean, people here are talking like they're just giving away 30 bucks.. You actually get a product for that money as well, don't forget

*EDIT*

Here's what you get for the 30 bucks:

Access to HQ Pro Circuit Streams
Ad Free Streams
VoD HQ Rebroadcasts
Premium Ladders and Tournaments
Premium Support
Official MLG Rank
Members Only Forums
Community Recognition
Additional Customization Options
Avatar treatment
Discounts on MLG Products
Discounts on Partner Products
Discounts on Pro Circuit Passes
50% off Pass Transfer Frees
Early Access to Pro Circuit Passes
Early Access to the Venue for Pro Circuit Events
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
Fjolle
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark25 Posts
July 29 2011 08:38 GMT
#118
On July 29 2011 17:27 Bobster wrote:
If you can't increase the prize pool budget, just take the money from the CoD and Halo circuits, ridiculous that they're getting anything close to the same amount of prize money per person when SC2 is the event that brings in the publicity, attention, people and as a result - the money.

I guess that it's because when they decided on the prize pools the starcraft event was in a small dark corner of the venue while Halo/CoD were on the main stages.
This has changed, and i assume that when they revise the prizes they will that it into account.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
July 29 2011 08:48 GMT
#119
On July 29 2011 17:37 ELA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 17:31 justinpal wrote:
On July 29 2011 17:13 Velr wrote:
On July 29 2011 16:32 justinpal wrote:
On July 29 2011 16:24 Velr wrote:
On July 29 2011 14:20 iNcontroL wrote:
Uhhh if you give me a million dollars I will raise the prizepool??? Wow! That is amazing!


It's really funny... I just came up with a business plan.


Everybody send me money, I will use some of it to create a tourney with a pricepool depending on how much money you give me...

Before you decline, think twice. Not sending me money, is hurting ESPORTS!


This is what TB is doing (granted he's not just asking for most of the money). I love him for that.



In short: NO.

In long: Not at all

TB is using the money he gets from his streaming (and probably donations, if he gets some) to fund his tournament.
MLG is asking to send them money/buy their product so they can increase the price pool and make more money themselves.

TB is essentially "giving back" something (even if he makes profit with it, which I doubt).
MLG is begging to send them money so they can use it in a future event to raise the pricepool (and earn more money in general).

How is this the same?


Your post is meant to say In even longer: I guess.

I believe during Shoutcraft he was describing how he got donations. I didn't say he was doing anything similiar to MLG at all. Just what I quoted. If you had read my post I said he's not asking for most of the money, which is the money he receives from streaming.

I never said he made any profit. I was just implying what you stated that he takes what the community gives and gives it straight to the players.


I think you are forgetting the value that you get for the 30$ - Isn't that somewhat important as well?? I mean, people here are talking like they're just giving away 30 bucks.. You actually get a product for that money as well, don't forget

*EDIT*

Here's what you get for the 30 bucks:

Access to HQ Pro Circuit Streams
Ad Free Streams
VoD HQ Rebroadcasts
Premium Ladders and Tournaments
Premium Support
Official MLG Rank
Members Only Forums
Community Recognition
Additional Customization Options
Avatar treatment
Discounts on MLG Products
Discounts on Partner Products
Discounts on Pro Circuit Passes
50% off Pass Transfer Frees
Early Access to Pro Circuit Passes
Early Access to the Venue for Pro Circuit Events


This.

Its not like Sundance is just saying, hey give me $30 so I can raise the prize pool. MLG is giving you a product in return for that $30.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
July 29 2011 08:49 GMT
#120
On July 29 2011 17:27 Bobster wrote:
If you can't increase the prize pool budget, just take the money from the CoD and Halo circuits, ridiculous that they're getting anything close to the same amount of prize money per person when SC2 is the event that brings in the publicity, attention, people and as a result - the money.


All the prizemoney from CoD is coming from SONY, and Halo always gets sold out.
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