EPTPlayers should not relay to much prize money imo, but just focus on getting far in events or help their team get far since in the end it would most likely give them better team contracts which is more reliable income.
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TaKemE
Denmark1045 Posts
Players should not relay to much prize money imo, but just focus on getting far in events or help their team get far since in the end it would most likely give them better team contracts which is more reliable income. | ||
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sanddbox_tl
United States20 Posts
On July 30 2011 06:53 Aurdon wrote: I think when you posted this on twitter: @Hot_Bid @LiquidRet pretty classy when an organizer of TSL3 openly criticizes another league! Grow up Ken. Wed Jun 22 21:10:02 +0000 2011 That's why people are taking offense to what you are doing. You can't go criticizing other people and then complain when others do it. Yet another perfect of example of Incontrol doing one thing and then criticizing someone else for said thing. | ||
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
On July 30 2011 06:44 sanddbox_tl wrote: Incontrol has always been like that; he's pretty much the only "professional" gamer that I actually hate as a person. Dude.. You are so quick to just throw out the term "hate" - Do you even realize what it means? What it entails to actually 'hate' a person? You're talking about an active member of our community! Don't fucking say you 'hate' someone here, grow the fuck up | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On July 30 2011 06:57 TaKemE wrote: Why is it even so important that they in increase the prize pool? Its already enough to attract the best players and the world. Players should not relay to much prize money imo, but just focus on getting far in events or help their team get far since in the end it would most likely give them better team contracts which is more reliable income. In most cases, a lot of them don't have the option man. The teams are gunning for the prize money. Every manager would tell you the same thing and at the end of the day, it's very small. Just enough to cover the airfare, accommodations and food in most cases. | ||
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EggYsc2
620 Posts
SUPPORT ESPORTS DONT BE CHEAP If you have money to pay for an internetbill you have money to pay $10-$30(Ideally gold pass) A YEAR We gamers may not be rich But we can all pitch in for a better tomorrow! | ||
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
Anyways, I'm not gonna keep this argument going, its off topic to begin with anyways. | ||
SundanceMLG
33 Posts
Would all 3 need to be dropped? - can't say as of yet. Would the cuts be deep? Also don't know yet. What I do know is that between the current titles we run and some others that we area looking at the time to move from a niche business to something real is now. I'm sure that Geoff means well and could possibly even do a better job running MLG than I do but guess what? He's not in charge over here - I am. I will continue to do what I think needs to be done to create a business that lives on long after I have left. Again - I'm not going to apologize for being honest with you. You and other fans like you hold the future of competitive gaming (eSports) in your grasp. Both here and abroad. I'm doing what I can. Hopefully you all are as well. Support your passion - even if MLG isn't a part of your vision for what competitive gaming should be than support the organizations that are. With much respect and a lot of love. -sd | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On July 30 2011 06:53 Aurdon wrote: I think when you posted this on twitter: @Hot_Bid @LiquidRet pretty classy when an organizer of TSL3 openly criticizes another league! Grow up Ken. Wed Jun 22 21:10:02 +0000 2011 That's why people are taking offense to what you are doing. You can't go criticizing other people and then complain when others do it. I remember those tweets and is another example of incontrol's hypocrisy. Of course now watch him say he's no longer part of NASL so it doesn't apply to him anymore. | ||
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mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
On July 30 2011 07:03 SundanceMLG wrote: To elaborate on my tweet regarding needing to lower prize money if we can't sell 100,000 subs - we run 3 games. Would all 3 need to be dropped? - can't say as of yet. Would the cuts be deep? Also don't know yet. What I do know is that between the current titles we run and some others that we area looking at the time to move from a niche business to something real is now. I'm sure that Geoff means well and could possibly even do a better job running MLG than I do but guess what? He's not in charge over here - I am. I will continue to do what I think needs to be done to create a business that lives on long after I have left. Again - I'm not going to apologize for being honest with you. You and other fans like you hold the future of competitive gaming (eSports) in your grasp. Both here and abroad. I'm doing what I can. Hopefully you all are as well. Support your passion - even if MLG isn't a part of your vision for what competitive gaming should be than support the organizations that are. With much respect and a lot of love. -sd Hear Hear! Let's watch some Starcraft people! | ||
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Maliris
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
On July 30 2011 07:03 Slider954 wrote: Um what empirical evidence? You just saying that it was better is your empirical evidence? Again, just because you SAY its better doesn't make it fact. It makes it YOUR opinion and you are entitled to it, just as other people are entitled to say MLG's production is better. And again, that doesn't make it fact. Anyways, I'm not gonna keep this argument going, its off topic to begin with anyways. I just listed it, reading comprehension would help out there wouldn't it pal? not sure how you messed that one up though. The whole argument to begin with was "MLG production is amazing". I said how it wasn't, especially not compared to their main competitor DH, then you come in here saying that's an opinion even though I systematically proved that not to be the case? What is so difficult to comprehend about that champ? it's obvious you are an MLG fanboy or employee since your only posts are in this thread and you're only here to do PR for MLG, congrats. | ||
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sanddbox_tl
United States20 Posts
On July 30 2011 07:03 SundanceMLG wrote: To elaborate on my tweet regarding needing to lower prize money if we can't sell 100,000 subs - we run 3 games. Would all 3 need to be dropped? - can't say as of yet. Would the cuts be deep? Also don't know yet. What I do know is that between the current titles we run and some others that we area looking at the time to move from a niche business to something real is now. I'm sure that Geoff means well and could possibly even do a better job running MLG than I do but guess what? He's not in charge over here - I am. I will continue to do what I think needs to be done to create a business that lives on long after I have left. Again - I'm not going to apologize for being honest with you. You and other fans like you hold the future of competitive gaming (eSports) in your grasp. Both here and abroad. I'm doing what I can. Hopefully you all are as well. Support your passion - even if MLG isn't a part of your vision for what competitive gaming should be than support the organizations that are. With much respect and a lot of love. -sd While I appreciate the honesty, the way in which you presented the fact that you basically needed 100,000 subscribers made it seem much more like extortion than honesty. It also doesn't make sense to me that with 100,000 subscribers you can vastly increase the prize pool but apparently with any less you're forced to cut events. Regardless of what investors want to see, there is always a middle ground, and it seems dishonest not to present it. | ||
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Shagg
Finland825 Posts
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TooN
1046 Posts
On July 30 2011 07:00 ELA wrote: Dude.. You are so quick to just throw out the term "hate" - Do you even realize what it means? What it entails to actually 'hate' a person? You're talking about an active member of our community! Don't fucking say you 'hate' someone here, grow the fuck up Because you are an "active" member, you get to say whatever? A community is filled with people not liking other people. A community are filled with people with different ideas. People can hate on whoever they want. Don't try to be a saint and have this idea of a "everyone get along" community. | ||
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Aresien
United Kingdom305 Posts
On July 30 2011 07:03 SundanceMLG wrote: To elaborate on my tweet regarding needing to lower prize money if we can't sell 100,000 subs - we run 3 games. Would all 3 need to be dropped? - can't say as of yet. Would the cuts be deep? Also don't know yet. What I do know is that between the current titles we run and some others that we area looking at the time to move from a niche business to something real is now. I'm sure that Geoff means well and could possibly even do a better job running MLG than I do but guess what? He's not in charge over here - I am. I will continue to do what I think needs to be done to create a business that lives on long after I have left. Again - I'm not going to apologize for being honest with you. You and other fans like you hold the future of competitive gaming (eSports) in your grasp. Both here and abroad. I'm doing what I can. Hopefully you all are as well. Support your passion - even if MLG isn't a part of your vision for what competitive gaming should be than support the organizations that are. With much respect and a lot of love. -sd Just bought my pass, good luck in the future Sundance! | ||
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Drlemur
United States153 Posts
MLG is estimated to have yearly revenue of $20 million (courtesy of Wired). But I bet they are losing money big time given the size of the events they throw and the professionalism they bring to organizing the event. That's ok, though. VC guys who fund start-up businesses look for opportunities with big growth and don't expect to make money right away. They can afford to lose money while looking for the next Big Thing. Sundance is essentially trying to find out if this is going to work. If there isn't enough interest to buy 100k tickets to the esports events, then there isn't enough interest to support an organization of his size and ambition. At least right now (which is what he cares about). Gaming is getting bigger and I think the right question is when and how. IMHO, I think he's probably got a pretty good shot at it. Gaming is getting increasingly interesting as a spectator sport and video on demand over the internet is going to help it a lot. Time will tell. I'm not sure anybody should really be buying the ticket as charity to "support esports," though. You should buy the ticket because it's a pretty good product. That's why I did anyway. If you want to help grow esports, invite some people over and tell them about it. Esports will grow as its fan base grows. P.S. Not every sports owner/organizer kicks back extra ticket revenue to the players. So props for Sundance for committing to it. He could just sell more tickets and declare his business profitable to his investors. [edit] P.P.S. Sundance! Stop reading TL threads and go back to making sure MLG Anaheim kicks ass!  | ||
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Maliris
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
On July 30 2011 07:14 TooN wrote: Because you are an "active" member, you get to say whatever? A community is filled with people not liking other people. A community are filled with people with different ideas. People can hate on whoever they want. Don't try to be a saint and have this idea of a "everyone get along" community. Indeed. I don't see how incontrol is an active member of the community anymore either, his posts nowadays involve flaming, saying "lol" or "GET SOME" in threads about him flaming other more respected members of the community and PR for stuff he is involved in like gosucoaching, NASL, EG. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On July 30 2011 07:09 sanddbox_tl wrote: While I appreciate the honesty, the way in which you presented the fact that you basically needed 100,000 subscribers made it seem much more like extortion than honesty. It also doesn't make sense to me that with 100,000 subscribers you can vastly increase the prize pool but apparently with any less you're forced to cut events. Regardless of what investors want to see, there is always a middle ground, and it seems dishonest not to present it. As Beyonder already pointed out, yes. Sure, there would have to be some cuts. But, to cut a prize pool that is already pretty small as I pointed out. I think there are other ways to make such cuts. Besides that, you don't have to respond to everybody SD via Twitter or what not. It's you baby boy, how you decide to grow it is ultimately up to you. | ||
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sanddbox_tl
United States20 Posts
On July 30 2011 07:14 TooN wrote: Because you are an "active" member, you get to say whatever? A community is filled with people not liking other people. A community are filled with people with different ideas. People can hate on whoever they want. Don't try to be a saint and have this idea of a "everyone get along" community. It was pretty obvious to me that he was making fun of Incontrol's whole professionalism crusade, not actually insulting me. Let me convert that to Incontrol-ese: It was pretty oblivious to me that he was poking jests at Incontrol's profiling tirade, not actually insinuating me. | ||
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CeriseCherries
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