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Serene
Profile Joined August 2010
United States23 Posts
July 29 2011 19:33 GMT
#341
On July 30 2011 04:28 Sea_Food wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2011 04:16 kentarre wrote:
WHY is a PRO PLAYER whom this GREATLY BENEFITS complaining about this?


Uhm, I have not seen a pro player in this topic complaining about anything. Incontroll just stated the obious which was obious. If a company gets more people to pay 30$ to watch starcraft 2, than any other company has got people to watch starcraft for free, its kinda obious they are gona raise the prize pool which is atm lower than most SC2 tourniez.


You're forgetting MLG isn't one game, it has many others. Including Halo, COD, etc.

So he isn't asking the SC2 community, he's asking the entire eSports community. The only reason he responded was to explain to people that running MLG isn't all butterflies and rainbows. Any venture capital start-up is hard to maintain without a SUSTAINABLE source of income/revenue. If you think advertising/sponsors are the most reliable... then I'm just blown away.

It's obvious Sundance is trying to turn his dreamchild into a legitimate business. Not sure why everyone is turning towards hostility. So much being is being blown up for a relatively harmless tweet for hype. =/
It's Always Darkest Before The Dawn
sealpuncher
Profile Joined April 2011
United States130 Posts
July 29 2011 19:34 GMT
#342
Is there any point to subscribing if my internet is only 1500kbps? The $30 isn't a big deal to me but if it's just going to be a donation I'd rather donate it to like dying children or something.
You shall not pass - Gandalf
Masterjareth
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States26 Posts
July 29 2011 19:35 GMT
#343
I'm glad to see incontrol exercising his freedom of speech. The sundance thing is just an attempt at being viral.
chocopaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
2072 Posts
July 29 2011 19:35 GMT
#344
I will not pay for console games and LoL. And not for casters like Husky.
http://twitter.com/lechocopaw
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
July 29 2011 19:39 GMT
#345
On July 29 2011 14:20 iNcontroL wrote:
Uhhh if you give me a million dollars I will raise the prizepool??? Wow! That is amazing!


Complaining about something that in the future could benefit you or one of your team mates if one of you wins an MLG? I'm lost here.
There's no S in KT. :P
Sea_Food
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Finland1612 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 19:41:06
July 29 2011 19:39 GMT
#346
On July 30 2011 04:33 Serene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2011 04:28 Sea_Food wrote:
On July 30 2011 04:16 kentarre wrote:
WHY is a PRO PLAYER whom this GREATLY BENEFITS complaining about this?


Uhm, I have not seen a pro player in this topic complaining about anything. Incontroll just stated the obious which was obious. If a company gets more people to pay 30$ to watch starcraft 2, than any other company has got people to watch starcraft for free, its kinda obious they are gona raise the prize pool which is atm lower than most SC2 tourniez.


You're forgetting MLG isn't one game, it has many others. Including Halo, COD, etc.

So he isn't asking the SC2 community, he's asking the entire eSports community. The only reason he responded was to explain to people that running MLG isn't all butterflies and rainbows. Any venture capital start-up is hard to maintain without a SUSTAINABLE source of income/revenue. If you think advertising/sponsors are the most reliable... then I'm just blown away.

It's obvious Sundance is trying to turn his dreamchild into a legitimate business. Not sure why everyone is turning towards hostility. So much being is being blown up for a relatively harmless tweet for hype. =/

Actually I have nothing against MLG or the announcement. I only am against people who say that incontrol said anything wrong, which IMO he did not.

Also I never said or ment to say anything about what is best way to get money.
Aurdon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2007 Posts
July 29 2011 19:41 GMT
#347
On July 29 2011 23:36 King of Kings wrote:
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On July 29 2011 23:30 Ome wrote:
if you add LoL in Raleigh (which has a HUGE playerbase) I think they'll reach it easily.


The playerbase of League of Legends are 13yr old kiddies who only play LoL because it's free2play... I don't think they would pay anything to see MLG.


You are wrong.

Leafren
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium66 Posts
July 29 2011 19:41 GMT
#348
Isn't Incontrol the guy that's always arguing on podcasts that everyone should act professional at all times etc? I'd say comments like that don't live up to his own standards. I think it's evident Sundance tries to make esports work and grow, so if you don't agree with his methods at least discuss it in a grown-up manner.
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
July 29 2011 19:42 GMT
#349
On July 30 2011 02:41 SundanceMLG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 14:20 iNcontroL wrote:
Uhhh if you give me a million dollars I will raise the prizepool??? Wow! That is amazing!



Months ago you gave me shit about the prize pool and now I'm putting a simple and obtainable goal out there for the entire community and you give me shit again - and that's fine. I still respect you and appreciate what you've done and will continue to do for the scene. My question is this - if the number was 50,000 would you take an issue with my approach? How about 15,000? What if I didn't say a thing and just watched my spreadsheets populate with numbers and kept the community in the dark? Shouldn't the people who love this have some insight into what is needed for success?

You're either in or you're out. $30 a year from 100,000 people makes this company a real business and not just a passion project from a guy with a hippy name who refuses to quit. $30 a year from 10,000 people means that we're all wrong and there isn't enough fan support to sustain a business of scale.

Less than a dime a day from less than 10% of the people who visit our site over the course of an event weekend allows me to flip a switch and change next year to a structure that supports 24 live events & 28 meaningful ladders. 52 competitions with nearly 2 million dollars of prize money and stipends.

Again - I don't care if you think I'm an asshole or a money grubbing prick. I just want to find out if what we do is actually meaningful to enough of you to step up.



It would help if we had some perspective on how close MLG actually is to that goal. If you are nowhere close then it is kind of foolish to make a statement like that, if you are close and want to use this statement as a driving force to reach the goal it was a great idea.
Konsume
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada466 Posts
July 29 2011 19:44 GMT
#350
On July 30 2011 04:42 Duravi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2011 02:41 SundanceMLG wrote:
On July 29 2011 14:20 iNcontroL wrote:
Uhhh if you give me a million dollars I will raise the prizepool??? Wow! That is amazing!



Months ago you gave me shit about the prize pool and now I'm putting a simple and obtainable goal out there for the entire community and you give me shit again - and that's fine. I still respect you and appreciate what you've done and will continue to do for the scene. My question is this - if the number was 50,000 would you take an issue with my approach? How about 15,000? What if I didn't say a thing and just watched my spreadsheets populate with numbers and kept the community in the dark? Shouldn't the people who love this have some insight into what is needed for success?

You're either in or you're out. $30 a year from 100,000 people makes this company a real business and not just a passion project from a guy with a hippy name who refuses to quit. $30 a year from 10,000 people means that we're all wrong and there isn't enough fan support to sustain a business of scale.

Less than a dime a day from less than 10% of the people who visit our site over the course of an event weekend allows me to flip a switch and change next year to a structure that supports 24 live events & 28 meaningful ladders. 52 competitions with nearly 2 million dollars of prize money and stipends.

Again - I don't care if you think I'm an asshole or a money grubbing prick. I just want to find out if what we do is actually meaningful to enough of you to step up.



It would help if we had some perspective on how close MLG actually is to that goal. If you are nowhere close then it is kind of foolish to make a statement like that, if you are close and want to use this statement as a driving force to reach the goal it was a great idea.


Agreed, some kind of meter on the mlg site would be nice!
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
Dumboprime
Profile Joined March 2011
985 Posts
July 29 2011 19:53 GMT
#351
Sundance is a real bro <3
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
July 29 2011 19:55 GMT
#352
I don,'t like the way he told that. It's not like MLG can't afford increasing the prize pool without us paying more...
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
July 29 2011 19:57 GMT
#353
On July 30 2011 04:55 Noocta wrote:
I don,'t like the way he told that. It's not like MLG can't afford increasing the prize pool without us paying more...

Plz tell me by all means how much money they make.
I mean, when you say stuff like that you got intel in their finance right.
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
July 29 2011 19:58 GMT
#354
On July 30 2011 04:55 Noocta wrote:
I don,'t like the way he told that. It's not like MLG can't afford increasing the prize pool without us paying more...


Please share this knowledge with us, in more detail.

The co-.founder and CEO has said that the business model is needed and that it takes 100 000 to make it work. What plan do you see for MLG within the next 12 months?
I am not young enough to know everything.
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
July 29 2011 20:03 GMT
#355
I bought a pass after reading this so that is 1 closer to the 100.000 .
Dumboprime
Profile Joined March 2011
985 Posts
July 29 2011 20:05 GMT
#356
I can't buy a pass there's some kind of error with the site... anyone else?
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
July 29 2011 20:05 GMT
#357
Sundance,


If you say "hey it'd be awesome if we hit 100k subs! Do it for sc2!" there would be no problem and people would do it. But to say "if we get x I will give y" when the x and y don't correllate I have a problem. The prizepool is an exceedingly small part of your budget and that is fine. Asking for 100x the prizepool in subs and promising to raise the prizepool is a feint at being generous or something when really it's like
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
July 29 2011 20:06 GMT
#358
The most obvious business ploy possible
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
July 29 2011 20:08 GMT
#359
Also threatening to lower the prizepool in response to a tweet was no good why take that route? Some random dude says 100k is too high so you say you might need ti lower the prizepool?
Merano
Profile Joined January 2008
Austria105 Posts
July 29 2011 20:10 GMT
#360
On July 30 2011 05:05 Dumboprime wrote:
I can't buy a pass there's some kind of error with the site... anyone else?


me too - can't register atm
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