EPTI'm curious about the whole 24 events a year thing. Seems hard to understand you could run that many events AND raise the prize pool. I'd hope for the same number of events, perhaps a few more and just raise the prizes significantly. All this is of course assuming you get what you are looking for. The idea that you would lower the prize pools if you only got 98k subs is a little distasteful though.
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Corrupted
United States1255 Posts
I'm curious about the whole 24 events a year thing. Seems hard to understand you could run that many events AND raise the prize pool. I'd hope for the same number of events, perhaps a few more and just raise the prizes significantly. All this is of course assuming you get what you are looking for. The idea that you would lower the prize pools if you only got 98k subs is a little distasteful though. | ||
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Maliris
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
On July 30 2011 05:15 sanddbox_tl wrote: Incontrol is pretty much the most perfect definition of a hypocrite you'll ever find. He makes racist remarks about Indians, makes jokes about rape, and commits numbers of other horrendous PR mistakes and then turns around the next minute and criticizes people for doing the same. Usually when someone brings it up he'll apologize and say that he's different and then be a total asshole the next day anyway. The NASL, in my opinion, represented one of his biggest hypocrisies; he started with his poorly run showmatch between Idra and Jinro, then said the NASL would be much better. After the NASL was equally bad, he continued to encourage people to buy NASL passes to "support esports" as if a horribly ran league deserved charity from thousands of people simply because they casted videogames. Incontrol leaves the sinking ship of the NASL after it's obviously failed after the first season and then starts committing more to being a professional gamer (which is ironic because he's an absolutely horrible player that basically relies on cheese to win his games). In a recent match casted by the IPL, he went forge expand with no nexus into 4gate into nexus and stargate simply because he can't win a straight up game and tries to rely on gimmicks to win instead (after all, there's a reason he's probably the most known 4gate/stargate user). Then of course when he's supposedly now a professional gamer and a real organization that actually produces quality content encourages people to buy passes he turns around and mocks them because apparently the irony is completely lost on him. It's not surprising that Inc is so religious because he displays the usual hypocrisy and immorality of religious leaders. Anyway, that was more than enough about incontrol. Moving back to this whole MLG debacle; I would say I'm fine with Sundance's honesty in the numbers he needs but a little disappointed he chose to use twitter to express it, because it made him appear both shady and greedy. Haha ripped to shreds :p Touché | ||
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DakotaA7X
United States74 Posts
And On July 29 2011 14:20 iNcontroL wrote: Uhhh if you give me a million dollars I will raise the prizepool??? Wow! That is amazing! Lets be professional here.... You sure are an advocate of professionalism. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On July 30 2011 05:27 iNcontroL wrote: Typing from phone btw forgive terribad typing lol Dude, focus on playing your games. -_- Scoots, put a chain on Geoff ;o | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On July 30 2011 05:26 Domination wrote: Incontrol, the man who hyped NASL as the greatest thing since sliced bread and how we need to support it with our wallets, is mad at another man's "business ploy". Not sure what to say about that but I am certainly entertained. Not sure why hyping nasl means i cannot be critical of other leagues. When i encouraged people to support nasl I said so we can do more of them... Not to raise the prizepool. Read syndances post... He essentially meant to say "so we can do more mlgs" not anything about the prizepool. | ||
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Serene
United States23 Posts
On July 30 2011 05:25 iNcontroL wrote: No. When you get more money you reinvest in areas that need imporovement first. The current prizepool doesn't alienate anyone. If they hit 100k dubs they won't be like " finally! Now that we raised 30 million dollars we can increase the prize pool 10k " if you think thatnus how it works you are A Damn fool Good job. You understand basic business practices. However, MLG has fantastic production value as is. So that rules out reinvesting into that. That leaves two avenues, both of which Sundance pointed out. 1. Increasing the prize pool for each individual event and for each game across the board. 2. Increasing the number of events held and innovating by including new leagues and games into the circuit. Sundance has mentioned both of these. While Twitter may not have been the best choice, I fail to see your criticism on this. I mean, how does this differ from you pushing NASL HD passes and hyping it up? If you're going to point out that you didn't say if you buy them we'll have a bigger prize pool next season. Then I'll just use your advice. When you have money invest it into this that need improvement. Like a new soundperson and overall production value. | ||
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
On July 30 2011 05:25 iNcontroL wrote: No. When you get more money you reinvest in areas that need imporovement first. The current prizepool doesn't alienate anyone. If they hit 100k dubs they won't be like " finally! Now that we raised 30 million dollars we can increase the prize pool 10k " if you think thatnus how it works you are A Damn fool Where do you get the 30 million? It's 300.000 from premium stream venue if everyone bought Gold Membership - Do remember, that you can sign up, be a member of MLG as well without even paying a dime right? Let's not make MLG more of the bad guy than they are | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On July 30 2011 05:27 iNcontroL wrote: Typing from phone btw forgive terribad typing lol Oh I thought you were drunk. On a serious note why do say do it for star 2 when there are other games that MLG have events for? Just because Star 2 made the main stage once doesn't mean this is the entire audience for MLG. | ||
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Maliris
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
On July 30 2011 05:31 Serene wrote: Good job. You understand basic business practices. However, MLG has fantastic production value as is.. Haha, yeah about that... Dreamhack has blown MLG out of the water every time, MLG are just lucky they are an American company so everyone wants to hype it up :p production is one of the weakest parts of MLG, it's been like this at every single one for years -.- | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On July 30 2011 05:31 Serene wrote: Good job. You understand basic business practices. However, MLG has fantastic production value as is. So that rules out reinvesting into that. That leaves two avenues, both of which Sundance pointed out. 1. Increasing the prize pool for each individual event and for each game across the board. 2. Increasing the number of events held and innovating by including new leagues and games into the circuit. Sundance has mentioned both of these. While Twitter may not have been the best choice, I fail to see your criticism on this. I mean, how does this differ from you pushing NASL HD passes and hyping it up? If you're going to point out that you didn't say if you buy them we'll have a bigger prize pool next season. Then I'll just use your advice. When you have money invest it into this that need improvement. Like a new soundperson and overall production value. I think you missed the other twitter message where Sundance threatened to decrease the prize pool if they don't reach their target. In either case, many of us are interested in knowing the approx. subscriber base and would appreciate some transparency. Twitter and Facebook status/walls are terrible ways of making a point and sharing such things. Wording is everything. | ||
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
On July 30 2011 05:30 iNcontroL wrote: Not sure why hyping nasl means i cannot be critical of other leagues. When i encouraged people to support nasl I said so we can do more of them... Not to raise the prizepool. Read syndances post... He essentially meant to say "so we can do more mlgs" not anything about the prizepool. Really dude?? You are started all this drama and shit over the way he worded something. And of course you're gonna say "I didn't start anything, It was Sundance (the man who is busting his ass 100 times more than you are to help all of esports grow) who started the drama" Typical EG response | ||
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ajdoj14
United States32 Posts
On July 30 2011 05:27 iNcontroL wrote: Typing from phone btw forgive terribad typing lol I understand your position on the whole sundance using it as a business ploy, but in the end isn't that what he is supposed to do. That quote alone may have generated 1,000 subscriptions (random number) and yes, if he doesn't hit 100,000 it doesn't mean he can't make an increase; however, it can motivate people to hit his goal. He IS a businessman. I just thought it was kinda immature to say that comment on here (sure it doesn't matter to you). I mean, it is his job to do whatever he can to increase his business, he is the CEO of the company. You should understand why he is trying to generate interest, you would do it while you were working at NASL. How would you feel if someone whos has a big voice in the community was calling you out for comments that you made. Like if day9 was like o yeah you keep saying that NASL production will get better, but every single week there is mad lag, and even the VODs have lag. Your voice/opinion as you have stated in the past actually weighs down on peoples thoughts. I could be wrong but it seems like he has never been a dick to you, why be a dick to him. | ||
Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
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Corrupted
United States1255 Posts
On July 30 2011 05:32 s4life wrote: So he get a million bucks and he raises the prizes by a lot -- say 50%? -- that would make a whooping 7k for first prize... only the UFC pays worse to its players -- relative to their profit -- I believe. To be fair to the UFC, their top fighters make millions per fight. A vast amount of "smaller" tourneys than MLG pay out more in prize money than them. It is an embarrassing issue. They should feel embarrassed about it. I don't have much opinion about what's going on in this thread...but there is no doubt the prize pool is an issue that needs to be talked about. Any discussion of it being lowered are incredibly offensive and should not be discussed. If that was ever actually considered, they should just shut their doors. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
On July 30 2011 05:31 ELA wrote: Where do you get the 30 million? It's 300.000 from premium stream venue if everyone bought Gold Membership - Do remember, that you can sign up, be a member of MLG as well without even paying a dime right? Let's not make MLG more of the bad guy than they are $30 x 100,000 subs = 3 million | ||
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FunnelC4kes
Ireland462 Posts
On July 30 2011 05:25 iNcontroL wrote: No. When you get more money you reinvest in areas that need imporovement first. The current prizepool doesn't alienate anyone. If they hit 100k dubs they won't be like " finally! Now that we raised 30 million dollars we can increase the prize pool 10k " if you think thatnus how it works you are A Damn fool Well, hell yeah if they grossed 30 mil/year from these things, $10k increase in prize pool is pretty niggardly. Sundance never said what he'd increase it to, only that it'd be significant... so, I guess we'd have to wait until the viewers hit his marks before we can call shenanigans. I guess you can be cynical about it, or think positively. I feel like so many people want e-sports in the west be like SK BroodWar that we're willing to think positively about the growth here. | ||
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SMD
Canada627 Posts
On July 30 2011 05:31 ELA wrote: Where do you get the 30 million? It's 300.000 from premium stream venue if everyone bought Gold Membership - Do remember, that you can sign up, be a member of MLG as well without even paying a dime right? Let's not make MLG more of the bad guy than they are actually 30$ x 100,000 is 3million. but incontrol has a point, I honestly think the 100k subscribers is more about beign able to sell advertising and obtain sponsors than anything - 3million is a good chunk of money, but the serious money can come from major endorsements or sponsors. Being able to show a potential sponsor that, not only did u sell...( i dont know. 2500? spectator passes for the event) you also got 100,000 people to pay 30$ a year for your services, is a great step forward in obtaining their business. | ||
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FunnelC4kes
Ireland462 Posts
On July 30 2011 05:36 Beyonder wrote: Haha, dont overanalyze this too much, its not needed. Silly tweet, sarcastic deserved comment. That was it :D Noone is making drama but you guys ^_^ MLG doesn't start for... 3.5 hours according to the clock, what else do we have to do? :p | ||
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Scribble
2077 Posts
On July 30 2011 05:25 iNcontroL wrote: No. When you get more money you reinvest in areas that need imporovement first. The current prizepool doesn't alienate anyone. If they hit 100k dubs they won't be like " finally! Now that we raised 30 million dollars we can increase the prize pool 10k " if you think thatnus how it works you are A Damn fool I, for one, appreciate your crystal clear explanation of MLG's business. Continue to provide your vast insight please. Folks in this thread should pay attention to this man. It's like we have a window into MLG's inner workings. I mean...just because he was a part of one season of an entirely different league doesn't mean he isn't completely correct in his assumptions. =/ | ||
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