EPTOn July 30 2011 04:35 chocopaw wrote:
I will not pay for console games and LoL. And not for casters like Husky.
I will not pay for console games and LoL. And not for casters like Husky.
Then don't. Children feel so entitled these days.
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taLbuk
Madagascar1879 Posts
Then don't. Children feel so entitled these days. | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On July 30 2011 05:08 iNcontroL wrote: Also threatening to lower the prizepool in response to a tweet was no good  why take that route? Some random dude says 100k is too high so you say you might need ti lower the prizepool? Ya I do have to agree with the lowering part... it just sounded bad and like a threat, especially since there has been word that it will be increased in the next year anyway. I think part of the problem is that the final tournament has such a large prize pool, and people are only looking at each of the individual tournaments and their prize pools. Either way, sweet triple post inc! | ||
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Korok
80 Posts
On July 30 2011 05:10 taLbuk wrote: Then don't. Children feel so entitled these days. that's exactly what he said complaining about the quality of an event is not childish (although i disagree, i find what he listed rather entertaining) | ||
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Aixler
Netherlands946 Posts
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
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Secret05
United States342 Posts
Ya im trying to sign in on the mlg website but im getting an error. I copy pasted the error and put it in the spoiler tag below. + Show Spoiler + <% if identity_page? %> <% unless @account.nil? -%> <% end -%> <% elsif home_page? %> <% end %> <%= stylesheet_link_tag 'site', 'passwords', 'terms-of-services', 'header', 'footer', :cache => 'cached-styles' %> <%= javascript_include_tag 'https://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.4.4/jquery.min.js' %> <%= javascript_include_tag 'application' %> <% unless (controller.controller_name.eql?('info') && controller.action_name.eql?('index')) -%> <% if (controller.controller_name.eql?('accounts') && controller.action_name.eql?('edit')) || controller.controller_name.eql?('mlg_xbox_live_link') || controller.controller_name.eql?('mlg_psn_link') -%> <% else -%> <% end -%> <% end -%> <%= render :partial => 'layouts/header' -%> <% unless flash.empty? -%> <%= render :partial => 'layouts/flash_messages' -%> <% end -%> Forbidden The request was a legal request, but the server is refusing to respond to it. Only OpenID version 2.0 requests are currently supported. »back to homepage <%= yield -%> <%= render :partial => 'layouts/footer' -%> EDIT** i just got logged in!! and seriously guys be nice to each other... bickering like this doesn't solve anything... lets grow esports!! | ||
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getSome[703]
United States753 Posts
On July 30 2011 05:06 iNcontroL wrote: The most obvious business ploy possible because you've never tried to get people to buy memberships or anything. and especially not overpriced starcraft 2 guides @sundance your initial announcement should more have resembled the post you made in this thread. I'm not going to buy a membership because you state in a tweet that prize money will be increased next season. I want to know exactly how this $3 million you're trying to raise will be put into MLG prize pools and be used to finance new events. I'd like specifics before I go off and buy a $30 membership. And I definitely think you need to be more open about what your plans are if you really think you have a chance of getting 100,000 memberships. Just be more transparent. And ignore incontrol | ||
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sanddbox_tl
United States20 Posts
On July 30 2011 04:41 Leafren wrote: Isn't Incontrol the guy that's always arguing on podcasts that everyone should act professional at all times etc? I'd say comments like that don't live up to his own standards. I think it's evident Sundance tries to make esports work and grow, so if you don't agree with his methods at least discuss it in a grown-up manner. Incontrol is pretty much the most perfect definition of a hypocrite you'll ever find. He makes racist remarks about Indians, makes jokes about rape, and commits numbers of other horrendous PR mistakes and then turns around the next minute and criticizes people for doing the same. Usually when someone brings it up he'll apologize and say that he's different and then be a total asshole the next day anyway. The NASL, in my opinion, represented one of his biggest hypocrisies; he started with his poorly run showmatch between Idra and Jinro, then said the NASL would be much better. After the NASL was equally bad, he continued to encourage people to buy NASL passes to "support esports" as if a horribly ran league deserved charity from thousands of people simply because they casted videogames. Incontrol leaves the sinking ship of the NASL after it's obviously failed after the first season and then starts committing more to being a professional gamer (which is ironic because he's an absolutely horrible player that basically relies on cheese to win his games). In a recent match casted by the IPL, he went forge expand with no nexus into 4gate into nexus and stargate simply because he can't win a straight up game and tries to rely on gimmicks to win instead (after all, there's a reason he's probably the most known 4gate/stargate user). Then of course when he's supposedly now a professional gamer and a real organization that actually produces quality content encourages people to buy passes he turns around and mocks them because apparently the irony is completely lost on him. It's not surprising that Inc is so religious because he displays the usual hypocrisy and immorality of religious leaders. Anyway, that was more than enough about incontrol. Moving back to this whole MLG debacle; I would say I'm fine with Sundance's honesty in the numbers he needs but a little disappointed he chose to use twitter to express it, because it made him appear both shady and greedy. | ||
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Candide
456 Posts
On July 30 2011 05:13 Korok wrote: that's exactly what he said complaining about the quality of an event is not childish (although i disagree, i find what he listed rather entertaining) oh hai korok nadota ! | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On July 30 2011 05:13 Korok wrote: that's exactly what he said complaining about the quality of an event is not childish (although i disagree, i find what he listed rather entertaining) The thing is, he wasn't complaining about the quality of the event. That the Starcraft tournament wasn't enough to pay for, that the other stream that would up 100% of the time and mean he wouldn't need to get even near Husky wasn't enough. He just sounded like he wouldn't support anything that associated with "those kinds of things I don't like." He sounded rather childish, even if it wasn't his intent. | ||
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deepfield1
United States373 Posts
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Sea_Food
Finland1612 Posts
On July 30 2011 05:15 sanddbox_tl wrote: Incontrol is pretty much the most perfect definition of a hypocrite you'll ever find. He makes racist remarks about Indians, makes jokes about rape, and commits numbers of other horrendous PR mistakes and then turns around the next minute and criticizes people for doing the same. Usually when someone brings it up he'll apologize and say that he's different and then be a total asshole the next day anyway. The NASL, in my opinion, represented one of his biggest hypocrisies; he started with his poorly run showmatch between Idra and Jinro, then said the NASL would be much better. After the NASL was equally bad, he continued to encourage people to buy NASL passes to "support esports" as if a horribly ran league deserved charity from thousands of people simply because they casted videogames. Incontrol leaves the sinking ship of the NASL after it's obviously failed after the first season and then starts committing more to being a professional gamer (which is ironic because he's an absolutely horrible player that basically relies on cheese to win his games). In a recent match casted by the IPL, he went forge expand with no nexus into 4gate into nexus and stargate simply because he can't win a straight up game and tries to rely on gimmicks to win instead (after all, there's a reason he's probably the most known 4gate/stargate user). Then of course when he's supposedly now a professional gamer and a real organization that actually produces quality content encourages people to buy passes he turns around and mocks them because apparently the irony is completely lost on him. It's not surprising that Inc is so religious because he displays the usual hypocrisy and immorality of religious leaders. Anyway, that was more than enough about incontrol. Moving back to this whole MLG debacle; I would say I'm fine with Sundance's honesty in the numbers he needs but a little disappointed he chose to use twitter to express it, because it made him appear both shady and greedy. Maan, that is some pretty serious diss. | ||
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Serene
United States23 Posts
On July 30 2011 05:05 iNcontroL wrote: Sundance, If you say "hey it'd be awesome if we hit 100k subs! Do it for sc2!" there would be no problem and people would do it. But to say "if we get x I will give y" when the x and y don't correllate I have a problem. The prizepool is an exceedingly small part of your budget and that is fine. Asking for 100x the prizepool in subs and promising to raise the prizepool is a feint at being generous or something when really it's like Of course they correlate. How does bringing in a sustainable cash flow to the business not effect how much of the prize pool can be given at each individual event? There's more incentive for players and those watching to purchase a membership if they have something tangible that they are getting in return other than the product. To put it more simply... to modify your quote "if I have MORE of X I can provide MORE of Y" It's not like MLG is running in the black at every event, in fact I guarantee it is quite the opposite. Especially after bringing in satellite trucks to pump the production value. Most on-site revenue is going directly into paying for the event venue and production. | ||
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jinixxx123
543 Posts
There are literally thousands/millions of ppl that Will tune into 2 or 3 day events like this on t.v . I dont think starcraft 2 leagues would be able to make it full time on tv like in korea (concepts such as gsl which are month long commitments and alot of no name players playing), but definately events like MLG would attract alot of viewers on t.v because its short and sweet, especially if their was maybe some way the viewer can use the remote control to pinpoint which game they want to see. i mean lets be honest, theirs millions and millions of call of duty players/lots of interested sc2 players/LOL players etc, just most of them dont even know tournaments even exist for these games. im sure if mlg can prove to continue growing (more investors) , 1 day it might actually get aired on tv like how those poker tournaments get aired, ( sc2 is way more entertaining than poker, i dont even understand how ppl even like to watch poker, but yet its showing to be massively successfull) , anybody willing to take the risk to bring sc2 to t.v? | ||
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FunnelC4kes
Ireland462 Posts
On July 30 2011 05:08 iNcontroL wrote: Also threatening to lower the prizepool in response to a tweet was no good why take that route? Some random dude says 100k is too high so you say you might need ti lower the prizepool? Well, what you call a bad marketing ploy I would call a moment of attempted honesty. It isn't often that we see the CEO of a company being honest, so we don't really trust it when it happens, but it seems simple enough. He has a vision of tons of MLG's with increased prize pools, and he needs the capital from the subscriptions to fund it. Why, I don't know--if we take his word, then it's probably because of the growing vision he has of the MLG, and maybe the VC's that invested in his vision won't extend any more loans. Trying to tweet this stuff is pretty lame, honestly, because though his follow-up dialogue seems to be genuine, it comes off as a bit shady. Hence the reason I neither subscribe nor pay attention to Twitter. Being the head-honcho he should give more of an official press release if he is going to comment on future goals of his company. It is certainly sketchy if he's going to make quips about lowering the prize-pool--he should know them's fightin' words in these parts. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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Maliris
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
As incontrol said the prize pool is a very very small percentage of the prizepool, MLG is nothing without SC2 and now sundance is trying to take all our money out of pure greed. Stay classy MLG | ||
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Domination
United States1177 Posts
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ajdoj14
United States32 Posts
On July 30 2011 05:23 jinixxx123 wrote: anyone else think that MLG would be so awesome if it was viewable on ESPN , or maybe even G4tv? There are literally thousands/millions of ppl that Will tune into 2 or 3 day events like this on t.v . I dont think starcraft 2 leagues would be able to make it full time on tv like in korea, but definately events like MLG would attract alot of viewers, especially if their was maybe some way the view can use the remote control to pinpoint which game they want to see. i mean lets be honest, theirs millions and millions of call of duty players/lots of interested sc2 players/LOL players etc, just most of them dont even know tournaments even exist for these games. im sure if mlg can prove to continue growing (more investors) , 1 day it might actually get aired on tv like how those poker tournaments get aired, ( sc2 is way more entertaining than poker, i dont even understand how ppl even like to watch poker, but yet its showing to be massively successfull) , anybody willing to take the risk to bring sc2 to t.v? They used to be on espn3, granted it is still online. They also were on USA, but it has to be pretty much just a quick summary of games. The time slot that would be needed for a tv program is too much. Plus it would most likely have to be a cable subscription type channel, which wouldn't be accessible by everyone, and possibly not streamed worldwide. It would be cool in theory, but in actuality streaming on the internet is the best way for events like this. | ||
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iNcontroL
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