EPTThe Effect of a Commentator's "GG" - Page 4
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Kiangani
United States122 Posts
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
but yeah, overall, i'd like to see more excitement...and less pointless jokes -,.- i'd be happy if gomtv made korean streams viewable. they did at first, why not anymore??? | ||
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PopcornColonel
United States769 Posts
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jgoonld
334 Posts
The GGs sound pretty exciting when they should be as far as I know. If a person has lost a game more than 10 minutes before the gg, then screaming it is a little much. | ||
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
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Axeltoss
United States283 Posts
The pool of VODs we see korean casters in are the games and tournaments that are really exciting, really prestigious, or have a gigantic prize pool. So obviously our perception can be enormously skewed. I would go so far as to say that from a Korean perspective, do they think THEY lack excitement based on what they see from US? I'm sure most of the public there see only the super exciting games casted by english commentators... I dunno, just thinking about stuff | ||
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JackDragon
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Laurence
Ireland119 Posts
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Eishi_Ki
Korea (South)1667 Posts
On July 29 2011 05:38 Axeltoss wrote: Anyone have VODs of korean commentators casting a lower status game? Like comparable to some of the daily 50 dollar tournaments we see in the foreign scene? I'd be very interested to see the level of excitement the korean commentators show in those. The pool of VODs we see korean casters in are the games and tournaments that are really exciting, really prestigious, or have a gigantic prize pool. So obviously our perception can be enormously skewed. I would go so far as to say that from a Korean perspective, do they think THEY lack excitement based on what they see from US? I'm sure most of the public there see only the super exciting games casted by english commentators... I dunno, just thinking about stuff Look up the nevake account on youtube. Zatic still upload most of the vods that happen from MSL, OSL and proleague. His work doesn't get enough credit and you'll find all your 'run of the mill' games in there, and yes, for the most part, KR commentators do make it very exciting. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On July 29 2011 05:38 Axeltoss wrote: Anyone have VODs of korean commentators casting a lower status game? Like comparable to some of the daily 50 dollar tournaments we see in the foreign scene? I'd be very interested to see the level of excitement the korean commentators show in those. The pool of VODs we see korean casters in are the games and tournaments that are really exciting, really prestigious, or have a gigantic prize pool. So obviously our perception can be enormously skewed. I would go so far as to say that from a Korean perspective, do they think THEY lack excitement based on what they see from US? I'm sure most of the public there see only the super exciting games casted by english commentators... I dunno, just thinking about stuff the general view is that, they're both equally exciting but the key difference comes from professionalism. korean casters present the game to the viewers, while the foreign casters watch the game with the viewers. | ||
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Moskau
114 Posts
Also mock enthusiasm is just about the worst thing I could hear in a cast, other than making obvious game knowledge mistakes. the general view is that, they're both equally exciting but the key difference comes from professionalism. korean casters present the game to the viewers, while the foreign casters watch the game with the viewers. Is that professionalism or is it just style? There are plenty of professional sports (baseball, tennis, golf) that don't rely as heavily on play by play, and instead provide analysis. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
Also for some reason Korean just seems to flow better, like Spanish(ever seen Spanish football commentators?WTF?) Maybe its the words, the fluent high WPM or just the language. Bonus + Show Spoiler + I watch GSL with korean commentary and it is imo much more entertaining, sure I won't get analysis but I don't care about that ^^, in the end it all comes down to personal preference, I'd rather not have the english commentators fake it Btw Moktira took over the Nevake account. | ||
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Yiska
141 Posts
Casters can't and shouldn't be actors. What English casting needs is an intimate relationship between casters and players. I'm not suggesting that these people have dinner nights or anything ridiculous like that. I think casters need to focus on the story of those players and not only communicate it, but feel it themselves. Only if you feel the game that just has been won is as almost as big of a deal to you as it is for the guy who just won, you will be able to ignite this emotion within the audience. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10329 Posts
This is one of the many reasons why Korean casters are much better than English casters (who usually weren't actually even trained, look at Jason Lee). Along with the anticlimatic casting at the end of the game, they almost always premature GG before the players do. That's just totally against the point of casting. You cast to make it more enjoyable to watch, you don't GG to kill hype and end the game before it ends. (Looking at you Tastosis =/) | ||
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ComusLoM
Norway3547 Posts
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densha
United States797 Posts
As far as Korean casters, no matter when I listen to them it sounds like they are talking non-stop, and I mean literally non-stop. There's just no reason for that, especially for the end of a game that's already over. What's the point of talking at 500 words per minute casting a game that's clearly, clearly over? Are we supposed to pretend we don't see the supply count? Are we supposed to pretend we don't see the worker count or base count? | ||
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Invol2ver
United States330 Posts
On July 29 2011 04:46 beamer159 wrote: I have to agree that Korean commentators generally sound more enthusiastic than their English counterparts, and I would like to see more English commentators emulate this Korean style. Looking around on Youtube, I found 2 commentaries of the same game. The English commentary makes it sound as if the game was won some time before GG was called, but the Korean commentary still sounds more exciting. GG at 17:29 for both videos English Commentary + Show Spoiler + Korean Commentary + Show Spoiler + You're completely missing the influence of the live crowd, and the fact that the event was actually live, unfolding before their very eyes. While I will give to you that moletrap is by no means as good a commentator as those professionals, the comparisons that are being drawn are just so nonsensical. You can not compare commentary of a live event, with a live audience to a commentary that is done off of previous footage, not even being in the game at the time, from someone's home computer. It's just not the same. Edit: On July 29 2011 05:51 Yiska wrote: The Vod of SC vs NesTea has been often reffered to in this thread as a prime example of how it should be in English commentary. I'd like to add NesTea vs Anypro Set 1 of the Ro8 last season. Both have in common that the commentators are Tastosis and NesTea as a player in them. At first glance you might say: "Well duh, NesTea is one of the best players in the world, of course he will produce impressive play. And Tastosis is the best casting duo" but I think that we're missing a key factor here. The reason these two games and the surrounding casts are so amazing has one more important fact to it: Artosis absolutely loves NesTea and he's genuinely excited about his play. Casters can't and shouldn't be actors. What English casting needs is an intimate relationship between casters and players. I'm not suggesting that these people have dinner nights or anything ridiculous like that. I think casters need to focus on the story of those players and not only communicate it, but feel it themselves. Only if you feel the game that just has been won is as almost as big of a deal to you as it is for the guy who just won, you will be able to ignite this emotion within the audience. I think you have a very good point there. There is a disconnect between korean players and foreigners. Something that our scene should hope to achieve. | ||
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Corrosive
Canada3741 Posts
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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