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The Effect of a Commentator's "GG" - Page 6
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Maliris
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
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rift
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Oh, and one big factor: Having things like supply, resources etc. constantly in clear view makes it usually obvious who is going to win quite early. That big supply count under the player names that Blizz introduced is no good. The total lack of spectator doodads in BW give it a more cinematic feel, and you never quite know for sure who's ahead for most of it. Even the observer will sometimes delay a camera switch to a big army or tech. All the gizmos in SC2 obsing feels like a constant analytical breakdown of the game. Casters, PLEASE keep the supply/name overlay off. | ||
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ThePianoDentist
United Kingdom698 Posts
On July 29 2011 03:48 TedJustice wrote: You can't force excitement. If they're actually genuinely excited by the GG, that's great. If not, no big deal. I'd rather they not try to force it. this. with the koreans it just works...but with say english people we're alot more reserved and it would just come across as weird. | ||
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Kyhol
Canada2574 Posts
I believe that if the game is super close and exciting that they should naturally scream until they fall out of their chairs. | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
On July 29 2011 06:33 Kyhol wrote: Jiyan <3 I believe that if the game is super close and exciting that they should naturally scream until they fall out of their chairs. <3 YOU TOO kyle | ||
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ThePianoDentist
United Kingdom698 Posts
On July 29 2011 06:31 rift wrote: What's funny is BW casters that are now SC2 casters used to get way more excited, Tasteless in particular. I don't know if that's because of the game, they're losing passion or what. I personally think there's less to get excited about. Oh, and one big factor: Having things like supply, resources etc. constantly in clear view makes it usually clear who is going to win quite early. That big supply count under the player names that Blizz introduced is no good. The total lack of spectator doodads in BW give it a more cinematic feel, and you never quite know for sure who's ahead for most of it. Even the observer will sometimes delay a camera switch to a big army or tech. Casters, PLEASE keep the supply/name overlay off. oh this. not trying to troll but when i watch bw it does seem there's more exciting moments. and also very true about supply. i think thats what makes gg in bw alot more exciting because you're never sure if one players totally out of it or whether he can turn it around. it would be cool if streams had an option to remove such things but i doubt it will happen | ||
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iyoume
2501 Posts
when someone is up 50+ supply for quite some time and it's obvious they have the game won, it's quite difficult to get excited for the actual moment the loser gg's out. there just aren't as many tense, close matches in sc2. but like i said i agree, it's nice to see a commentator get incredibly excited about a player he loves winning: i.e. moletrap casting boxer/avenge | ||
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Maliris
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
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Xax
475 Posts
really? ORGASMIC JUBILATION? | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On July 29 2011 06:27 thebigdonkey wrote: I watch UFC pretty frequently and nothing annoys me more than Goldberg and Rogan trying to tell me I should be excited about a guy who is just going to lay on his opponent for 3 rounds to get a decision. It's insulting. That pretty much how I feel about this issue too. You can create excitement without misrepresenting reality. Don't say the game is over, say it will be very tough to come back. If the game really is over just say xy is far ahead and focus on the general story of the match and do play by play when there's an engagement. Not saying it's easy and the losing player might still mess it up by giving up at an unexpected time, but there's no excuse for not trying at all. | ||
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iLikeYourStylez
United States23 Posts
but yeah, it does feel like the commentator these days may not really show that sort of enthusiasm but i feel like at live events they are doing quite well, especially MMA vs IdrA lolol and i'm not trolling, their natural like, stunned silence was a thing of beauty lolol XD | ||
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Treva
United States533 Posts
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densha
United States797 Posts
On July 29 2011 06:35 ThePianoDentist wrote: oh this. not trying to troll but when i watch bw it does seem there's more exciting moments. and also very true about supply. i think thats what makes gg in bw alot more exciting because you're never sure if one players totally out of it or whether he can turn it around. it would be cool if streams had an option to remove such things but i doubt it will happen This is interesting. I never got into the BW eSports scene but since falling in love with SC2 and then watching some BW games every now and then, I always had a suspicion that this was actually the reason people get so excited about BW. The lack of information about the game for the spectator might ramp up the intensity and suspense but it's completely based in ignorance as opposed to what's actually happening. I'd rather have as much information about the match as possible so I can really get an understanding for what's going on. At any rate, as a SC2 fan, this is one of the biggest barriers to BW spectating for me. I'm just really used to processing all of the information for myself and seeing if I agree with the caster's analysis. Without seeing unit counts, production tabs, resources, and supply counts you're so far in the dark that you can never really be sure you *know* what happened. For example, it may look like one final, epic battle decided a match but when you see the numbers they might tell a different story. Or, the game could have been lost 5-10 minutes before the actual "GG" but without the numbers you might never notice it. | ||
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Steel
Japan2283 Posts
On July 29 2011 03:46 Invol2ver wrote: You have to understand that not all games are "tied" at the end...and therefore you can't fake excitement. That's awkward. You use a tied game with 5 seconds to go as a reference, well I'll tell you that a similar situation in SC2 is SCfou vs Nestea, last season GSL semi-finals, game 5. That was a tie game that went down to the end. And there was excitement. You just cant get excited when there isn't a close game, sporting events are the same way. You don't see football commentators going crazy when a team finishes 3-0 in regular time in a game that they clearly control. You do see them getting excited when its 1-1 in penalty kicks. This is the same for starcraft. The only difference is that there is no score like in most sports. Well for example the game he linked wasn't even close at the end and they still got pretty excited...granted it was the finals and things are different if it's in the early rounds, but nonetheless this is an aspect of commentating that must improve. If the ending of games aren't close there were at least somewhat epic reasons why (blue flame drop for example) and its those moments that have to be more exciting even if it's not a huge battle. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On July 29 2011 07:05 Steel wrote: Well for example the game he linked wasn't even close at the end and they still got pretty excited...granted it was the finals and things are different if it's in the early rounds, but nonetheless this is an aspect of commentating that must improve. If the ending of games aren't close there were at least somewhat epic reasons why (blue flame drop for example) and its those moments that have to be more exciting even if it's not a huge battle. OT but there is alot of ''history'' behind that game , Yellow hadn't won a game in over a single year, Bisu was on a rampage during that time and Yellow kicked his ass Oldschool style. Alot of regular BW matches end with a regular GG, it might be more exciting then the ''average'' gg(lol) but the good matches get that GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
On July 29 2011 06:25 Honeybadger wrote: Unless you're a pro gamer, you're not as in the know as tasteless is. A comeback in the situations when he calls a preemptive GG is exceedingly rare and hard to do. Hyping possible comebacks is just goofy as hell. What you want is for commentators to force excitement, stream like a korean, and make up things that probably won't happen. That sounds like a recipe for the most annoying caster of all time. I'm guessing your ideal caster is Klazart. I've probably seen that Klazart video 50 times and it still gets me every time I watch it. So funny. | ||
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Maliris
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
 He got me into BW all those years ago, even though he was clueless he was still a good introductory commentator like hd/husky | ||
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IcedBacon
Canada906 Posts
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NexUmbra
Scotland3776 Posts
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Xx26Vanek26xX
United States185 Posts
On July 29 2011 06:56 Xax wrote: really? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjDyQeICLfY ORGASMIC JUBILATION? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE_qiLYHaKE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Pca2t3A5rk&feature=player_embedded#at=54 some hockey examples nothing to do with culture just the commentators style | ||
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