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poundcakes
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway239 Posts
July 28 2011 22:44 GMT
#121
Sometimes the game is over tens of minutes before the GG, sometimes there is intense micro or a desperate battle where a single slip-up instantly causes the player to fall so far behind he immediately GGs as he makes a mistake or is drastically outplayed. Either of those requires a different approach by a caster, there is little reason to shout and scream about a GG when there is no real tension in the game itself. It sounds forced and awkward when someone is cleaning up a main base and a desperate counter-attack is launched but decisively thwarted and a caster goes nuts and unnecessarily (and annoyingly) shouts about the incredibly one-sided battle that leads into a GG and concludes the game.

This goes for both sides but it seems more seldom to me that a professional or aspiring Starcraft caster doesn't get excited about the game at correct periods, perhaps excluding the situations where a caster's lack of knowledge makes him oblivious to the gravity of the events taking place.
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Staboteur
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada1873 Posts
July 28 2011 22:48 GMT
#122
Mmh! I think it's a matter of preference. I find korean commentators enthusiasm irritating more often than not, and typically would prefer the dry, analytical commentary of IdrA to the BACON SHORTS FLAVOUR EXTRAVAGANZA that people of the TotalBiscuit nature provide.

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SnuggleZhenya
Profile Joined July 2010
596 Posts
July 28 2011 22:49 GMT
#123
Have we been watching the same games? Commentators have absolutely been excited by "ggs" when the game is close. Most games aren't worth screaming about, that doesn't make them boring games, or not worth watching.
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ZenViper
Profile Joined June 2010
Korea (South)115 Posts
July 28 2011 23:04 GMT
#124
My whole thing is, Koreans get way to excited. In that BW clip you showed a ton of hydras/mutas against cannons and probes and 2 reavers. If the zerg had GG I would have crapped my pants and screamed like a girl. Unless that was the end of a championship series I wouldn't dance around shooting a gun in the air.

It is almost as if they are surprised they GG and they cannot believe it when it was obvious who the winner was.

BuddhaMonk
Profile Joined August 2010
781 Posts
July 28 2011 23:04 GMT
#125
It's funny hearing about how everyone "loves the Korean commentator's excitement", but these people probably don't even speak Korean, so they don't even know whether that commentator is making insightful and entertaining comments or not. These same people will then bash exciting English commentators like TotalBiscuit for not knowing the game enough.
rafaliusz
Profile Joined December 2009
Poland482 Posts
July 28 2011 23:16 GMT
#126
On July 29 2011 08:04 BuddhaMonk wrote:
It's funny hearing about how everyone "loves the Korean commentator's excitement", but these people probably don't even speak Korean, so they don't even know whether that commentator is making insightful and entertaining comments or not. These same people will then bash exciting English commentators like TotalBiscuit for not knowing the game enough.

Lot's of korean BW commentators are ex-pro's so it's very unlikely that they make uninsightful comments.
Nayl
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada413 Posts
July 28 2011 23:28 GMT
#127
On July 29 2011 08:04 ZenViper wrote:
My whole thing is, Koreans get way to excited. In that BW clip you showed a ton of hydras/mutas against cannons and probes and 2 reavers. If the zerg had GG I would have crapped my pants and screamed like a girl. Unless that was the end of a championship series I wouldn't dance around shooting a gun in the air.

It is almost as if they are surprised they GG and they cannot believe it when it was obvious who the winner was.



Um, did you see who was playing? Maybe you don't understand Korean but if you understand the context of the players, you would understand the significance behind it.

Also another point, when Koreans commentate a game that's "essentially over", they don't hype the game up to be a close game. They rather talk about why a player is still in a game, why the game went as it did, how he could possibly come back and that kind of stuff. However they almost never say GG until the players type it.
Diks
Profile Joined January 2010
Belgium1880 Posts
July 28 2011 23:38 GMT
#128
GG are exciting when the games are exciting.
Most of the game we saw now is "yeah, it's basically gg, he can't come back... 2 minutes pass... and yeah gg, he was too far behind"
If the caster screams GG !!!!!!! in this kind of moment it'll sound too fake. GG have to be merited, just like the 2 videos the OP showed.
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
July 28 2011 23:44 GMT
#129
Don't let yourself being influenced by the American sports. The NFL, NBA are designed to produce climatic finish and they do it well. But I don't think SC2 is a game like this. Sometimes a situation will arise and the next battle will be determinant but that's not always the case. Forcing something into the game is something that I am reluctant approve of.
BigLighthouse
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom424 Posts
July 29 2011 01:18 GMT
#130
I had a further thought: I think people are being a little ignorant of the role that crowd atmosphere or lack of has on casting. Its much easier to present meaningfull excitement when there's a live crowd roaring in the background. This is something established sports that you are drawing comparisons with ALWAYS have that sc2 very often does not have.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
July 29 2011 01:25 GMT
#131
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aebriol
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway2066 Posts
July 29 2011 01:27 GMT
#132
Sometimes the game is effectively over long before the GG, faking enthusiasm at the end is meaningless.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
July 29 2011 01:37 GMT
#133
It's incredibly difficult to mimic the Korean casters and their passion. The way they call the games is a lot different from what any other caster I know does.

If some of you guys didn't notice. The OGN/MBC commentators spend a lot of time on the storytelling element and add in a lot of ad-libbing based on the action going on. It works to amazing effect. In order to understand it you really have to know Korean well. ;/
dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 02:00:27
July 29 2011 01:58 GMT
#134
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=248917

Here's an example of a Korean "GEE GEEEEEEEEEEEE" in the GSL (warning, contains spoilers for FXO vs. IM).
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justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
July 29 2011 02:09 GMT
#135
On July 29 2011 10:58 dabom88 wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=248917

Here's an example of a Korean "GEE GEEEEEEEEEEEE" in the GSL (warning, contains spoilers for FXO vs. IM).


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Honeybadger
Profile Joined August 2010
United States821 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 02:37:07
July 29 2011 02:30 GMT
#136
On July 29 2011 06:31 rift wrote:
What's funny is BW casters that are now SC2 casters used to get way more excited, Tasteless in particular. I don't know if that's because of the game, they're losing passion or what. I personally think there's less to get excited about.

Oh, and one big factor:

Having things like supply, resources etc. constantly in clear view makes it usually obvious who is going to win quite early. That big supply count under the player names that Blizz introduced is no good. The total lack of spectator doodads in BW give it a more cinematic feel, and you never quite know for sure who's ahead for most of it. Even the observer will sometimes delay a camera switch to a big army or tech. All the gizmos in SC2 obsing feels like a constant analytical breakdown of the game. Casters, PLEASE keep the supply/name overlay off.


Your train of thought is sound, but for the wrong reasons.

The reason supply count is so important is because right now, that's what really matters. True micro and real unit awareness are things we only BARELY see glimpses of these days in players like boxer and QXC. So the "big" battles matter more than they did in BW's later years.

As the game has matured, we've naturally progressed from max/max battles winning the game in one push, to smaller and smaller engagements. Think about how scrappy the bomber vs mvp or alicia vs mvp games were? units everywhere, low supply, low econ games. Shit was exciting as hell. As players get better, they will learn to do more with less (remember, a perfect strategy isn't when there is nothing more to ADD to a build, it's when there's nothing more to REMOVE from it) and we'll see these more cinematic games with skirmishes everywhere like BW had. The units, maps, and mechanics are all there. No vultures, lurkers, or reavers isn't going to change that.


On July 29 2011 10:58 dabom88 wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=248917

Here's an example of a Korean "GEE GEEEEEEEEEEEE" in the GSL (warning, contains spoilers for FXO vs. IM).


Holy shit, that was just painful to listen to. There was no pacing, it was just SCREAMING.

And they do the same damn thing tasteless does, in a different form. They get louder and louder and LOUDER AND LOUDER about every little detail in the hope that something crazy happens, and when it doesn't, they just switch from LOUDER into DOOOOOOoooooooo. It's just obnoxious failed climax after failed climax. If our casters did that, or anything CLOSE to that, they'd find themselves with one less paying subscriber in ten minutes or less.


On July 29 2011 10:37 StarStruck wrote:
It's incredibly difficult to mimic the Korean casters and their passion. The way they call the games is a lot different from what any other caster I know does.

If some of you guys didn't notice. The OGN/MBC commentators spend a lot of time on the storytelling element and add in a lot of ad-libbing based on the action going on. It works to amazing effect. In order to understand it you really have to know Korean well. ;/


This is what my korean friend mentioned as well. Lots and lots of insanely irrelevant information being shouted at you for nothing other than maintaining the breakneck casting pace they seem obsessed with.
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red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
July 29 2011 02:36 GMT
#137
I love a good Korean 'GEE GEE!!' as much as anyone but you can't force the issue. Some casters like Moletrap have the natural enthusiasm to call out a roaring gg but some just don't. It has to be natural because knowing a caster is faking excitement is just a buzzkill.
Honeybadger
Profile Joined August 2010
United States821 Posts
July 29 2011 02:37 GMT
#138
This seems like a thinly veiled argument about whether or not men are okay with their girlfriends faking orgsams.
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oZe
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden492 Posts
July 29 2011 02:38 GMT
#139
On July 29 2011 03:49 ProtossPenny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 03:41 bonifaceviii wrote:
As long as it doesn't sound fake, like Day9's enthusiasm often does (<3 Day9 forever, but you gotta admit he's not good at faking it).


I beg to differ, I feel as if Day9 is the one of, if not the most genuine caster out there. I never hear him fake enthusiasm or excitement. He is always genuinely into the game. I have absolutely no idea why anyone would think Day9 fakes anything, I get that vibe from casters like TotalBiscuit and others who use fake voices or don't know what they are talking about.


You obviously missed the MLG casts and haven't watched his stream since he came close to #300 ;-) I liked him ALOT more before. Now I watch mr.bitter instead.
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minisockey
Profile Joined June 2011
99 Posts
July 29 2011 02:41 GMT
#140
i think when the time is right they go nuts when the GG comes but games where one player gets dominated and types out "gg" there is no reason to go nuts because it was expected was just nto a fun game 2 watch. but games that are close 4 base vs 4 base and one army crushes the other and goes in to win the game most english announcers get excited enough for me
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