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I am wondering what you guys think.
I got this idea because when I just got out from bronze, I didn't play a lot of silvers and most of them were gold. Now that I am plat, I find plat players to be quite a fair bit better than gold (mostly much better executed 2 rax bunker and scv+marines all-in)
Poll: As thread titleMaster to GM (112) 59% Diamond to Master (41) 22% Bronze to Silver (19) 10% Gold to Plat (8) 4% Plat to Diamond (6) 3% Silver to Gold (3) 2% 189 total votes Your vote: As thread title (Vote): Bronze to Silver
(Vote): Silver to Gold
(Vote): Gold to Plat
(Vote): Plat to Diamond
(Vote): Diamond to Master
(Vote): Master to GM
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If this turns into a poll thread without discussion, I'm closing it. Fair warning now.
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I feel like the higher up you go, the greater the skill gaps between leagues, assuming that the gaps are calculated from the lower boundary (e.g. low bronze to low silver, low diamond to low master).
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On July 28 2011 11:30 Empyrean wrote:
If this turns into a poll thread without discussion, I'm closing it. Fair warning now.
A PM to the OP might have been better than tainting the post.
Well done.
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I would have thought that Bronze Leaguers would have a fairly hard time beginning to learn the game and trying to get to Silver. Otherwise, Masters to GM is hardest simply because you can only have so many GrandMasters.
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Its clearly Masters to GM, most top masters aren't even as good as the mid of GMs!
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From my experience it's Gold to Plat, but I can't speak for the higher leagues so that is probably a poor example.
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Hmmm, I would say that maybe the biggest difference in one league itself would be masters. It seems like there's a lot of difference between low and high masters, and that's where I see the biggest division in skill. As for between leagues, I voted for Masters to GM.
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Should be obvious, masters to GM's. From experience, there is little to no improvement from Bronze straight through till diamond. Masters actually get decent, and GMs are the guys you wish you could be as good as. ^^ lol
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can't really be answered by mos people or? You can only answer this question if you started in bronze and made you way to gm.
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Everyone is probably going to just say as for my example "Diamond to Masters. I am currently a Diamond player"....
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On July 28 2011 11:32 axellerate wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 11:30 Empyrean wrote:
If this turns into a poll thread without discussion, I'm closing it. Fair warning now. A PM to the OP might have been better than tainting the post. Well done.
No it wouldn't have. It's a warning to the people who post here as well to have a discussion rather than just voting and then posting what he voted without reading anyone else's posts.
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i feel diamond to masters was a HUGE jump
now that im in masters and when i watch diamond players i just lol how bad they are.
but idk about masters to GM since im not in GM ofcourse lololol
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I made it to low masters last season and I'm not that good with apm wise but I know how to scout timings and know how to counter builds well. But, because of my low APM, I cannot keep up with the higher masters players. So, I would say Masters-Grand Masters
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On July 28 2011 11:32 AnxiousHippo wrote:
I would have thought that Bronze Leaguers would have a fairly hard time beginning to learn the game and trying to get to Silver. Otherwise, Masters to GM is hardest simply because you can only have so many GrandMasters.
You misundestood, I meant the skill gap, not how hard it is to get into a league.
I know that in quite a number of sport, most often the top players are all almost equal in terms of skill but it is some very very tiny skill gap that makes a player be the best or just one of the top players. I was wondering if same applies to SC2.
I heard that to get to GM only really needs you to be a high master and play more games while diamond has to work his ass off to get to master
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I would say none of the above.
- Low masters to High masters.
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I'm going to have to say that diamond to masters is the biggest skill difference due to the fact that many people in masters are GM level and just cant get it due to the fact that GM is number limited. Diamond to masters however.... It just feels like diamond players are just kind of good at doing a build to near perfection but dont really have a fantastic game sense or decision making and many are in diamond due to only doing really agressive all in builds such as 4 gate all ins or roach ling all ins or 3 rax all ins and things like that. This is all my personal opinion.
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The biggest jump right now seems to be between Nestea and everyone else.
But if you want to stick to leagues, you should keep in mind that someone will be the "best" bronze and someone will be the "worst" silver, and the difference between them is basicly zero.
That said, you probably want to compare the lowest of bronze with the highest on silver (lowest of silver with highest of gold etc).
Then, keep in mind that the lowest bronze is that guy that doesn't make aditional scv and goes straight to barracks, then at 40 min he makes his first battlecruiser and try to attack with his 50 supply army.
That said, I don't have many doubts that the "right" answer is bronze to silver.
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On July 28 2011 11:32 AnxiousHippo wrote:
I would have thought that Bronze Leaguers would have a fairly hard time beginning to learn the game and trying to get to Silver. Otherwise, Masters to GM is hardest simply because you can only have so many GrandMasters.
I disagree. With resources like the Day9 daily and builds online I think it's not too to get into silver. Once a bronze league player is informed of the importance of building probes, knocking their minerals back down to zero and putting down building crisply at the beginning of the game and following a build, dominating bronze really isn't hard at all even for a new player.
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On July 28 2011 11:42 SDream wrote:
But if you want to stick to leagues, you should keep in mind that someone will be the "best" bronze and someone will be the "worst" silver, and the difference between them is basicly zero.
I'd say the "best" bronze would be somewhere around gold-plat level. The promotion system can be fairly bad at times.
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