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GomTV has apparently released some numbers about its viewership according to this source. Over 50 millions viewers in the first half of 2011 is indeed an impressive feat! It would be interesting to know how many unique viewers there are too...
Poll: Does GSL gets more or less viewers than you expected?I thought GSL had less viewers. (472) 92% I thought GSL had more viewers. (24) 5% I thought GSL had about this number of viewers. (17) 3% 513 total votes Your vote: Does GSL gets more or less viewers than you expected? (Vote): I thought GSL had less viewers.
(Vote): I thought GSL had about this number of viewers.
(Vote): I thought GSL had more viewers.
Considering we've heard recently that the sc2 scene in korea is not doing too well, this seems surprising to me personally. What do you think?
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Well this is only foreign viewership. So we still don't really know how well it's recieved in Korea. And this is during crazy hours for the US.
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That's obviously not unique viewers, I hate non unique viewer views, it is so misleading. Like last MLG event had literally 50X the amount of viewers than unique views because people kept switching between red & blue & halo reach & BLOPS streams.
I love hearing numbers though and I'm glad GOMTV is popular, go esports!
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Oh dip, that's quite a few. I guess it shouldn't be too overly surprising. MLG had 24 million viewers over the course of three days (though it did include games like Halo and COD). Unique viewing numbers are certainly more important however.
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Are you sure this isnt viewS and not viewERS
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I believe it is views, not viewers. A significant difference that the article doesn't point out.
Edit, Oh cool I'm going to post first! Reread the article just to make sure i'm right... okay cool! Post..
5 posts beat me.
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Wow, GSL is bigger than I thought! Gomtv has great production value though, and amazing players so they deserve it!
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It's in views. True.
Also true is that the numbers would be so much higher if aired at primetime in NA rather than anti-primetime. Literally. Anti-primetime exactly, lol.
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On July 26 2011 11:48 Absent Minded wrote:
Are you sure this isnt viewS and not viewERS
Well on complexitygamer, they do refer to "viewers", but I agree that "views" is much more likely. Possible translation mistake I suppose.
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Wow. That's actually amazing. Mind boggling even. To think that 50 million people tuned in to watch starcraft at its highest production and play level is amazing.
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if this is not unique viewers, which it probably isn't, then i'm confused. so I am confused.
what constitutes 1 viewer? if it's equivalent to 1 non-unique view, then that's not really surprising, still has a lot of room to grow, shame tastosis won't be at MLG to plug GSL since a bunch of husky fans will probably be watching
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This is mind blowing, even if these aren't 50 million 'unique' views.
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it's not unique views but that number is still impressive to me
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It is pretty high considering that is pretty anti-prime time for the States and not that good as well for Europe.
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On July 26 2011 11:53 Deshkar wrote:
It is pretty high considering that is pretty anti-prime time for the States and not that good as well for Europe.
also USA representing at #1 spot for foreign viewership!
have to watch GSL starting at 1:30 to 5:30 AM depending on time zone and daylight savings time
although, I'm guessing part of that 50M viewers comes from VOD views
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To put this in context, Husky has 72 million views. Of course that is since June 2009 and you don't pay to watch Husky. Where as the majority of those views will be paying subscribers.
There's so much more you need to know though. For example, how many unique views, is this just on the live stream, or just the vods or both? When I watch a seven game series does this count me seven times or just once? If I watch the same vod twice does that count as 2 views or 1?
Really hard to read much into such an open ended stat.
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1/5th of that being from china alone is pretty impressive. Even though china is a large country, I didn't expect that many people to be into starcraft 2.
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It's about right in line of what I was expecting. The article says it includes 3 code S tournaments, the world championship, and the Supertournament for a total of 5 GSLs. 40 million from GOMtv.net and 12 million from China, so about 8 million views on average per season. Pretty impressive stuff considering all the barriers to watching the GSL (inconvenient broadcast time, no restreams, not uploaded onto youtube, need to pay for HD stream and VODs, need to install GOMplayer).
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Pretty impressive considering the not so foreign friendly time slots. Would like to see unique views and also Korean views.
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Because Starcraft doesn't fit into TV's 1 hour blocks and in order to attract the general audience, you have to dumb it down, which the typical SC2 fan wouldn't enjoy.
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I wouldn't be surprised if korean views were much smaller. The turnouts to the GSL finals weren't too impressive given the density of korea and also being completely free with a live performance from a famous kpop group. GSL also happens at the same time as some important sc1 matches as well.
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wow japan is top 20 o.o, not china?
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On July 26 2011 12:02 ZidaneTribal wrote:
wow japan is top 20 o.o, not china?
those aren't including china
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If we assume 100 "air days" through the Super Tournament, that's roughly 500k views per day.
If we assume 180 "air days" through the Super Tournament (since there's days with double blocks, and I don't feel like counting them all up), that's roughly 300k views per day.
Either way, that's a whole lot more than I was expecting.
Why don't they air any commercials during the downtime for the English stream? That's better than most of the cable channels get here it the States, lol.
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Does that include what airs on Korean TV 3 days a week?
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Denmark 8th, woohoo! :D That's quite unexpected lol. Considering how small a population we have.
I agree that 50 million viewers is misleading because it's not unique viewers, so hard to get an image of how many actually watch GSL. Would be cool to see numbers fir highest and average simultaneous viewers.
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Woah, that's surprising. I'm glad they got so many foreign views. I wonder how many Korean views they had?
I know MLG Columbus got almost half that in 3 days but I still think its quite impressive considering MLG is a foreign tournament that should be getting those foreign views.
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The poll is kind hard to answer. How is a person supposed to estimate these kind of #s? Theres been many GSL events, and so many repeat viewers its just nearly impossible to even come remotely close to any kind of #.
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On July 26 2011 11:45 CursedFeanor wrote:GomTV has apparently released some numbers about its viewership according to this source. Over 50 millions viewers in the first half of 2011 is indeed an impressive feat! It would be interesting to know how many unique viewers there are too... Poll: Does GSL gets more or less viewers than you expected?I thought GSL had less viewers. (472) 92% I thought GSL had more viewers. (24) 5% I thought GSL had about this number of viewers. (17) 3% 513 total votes Your vote: Does GSL gets more or less viewers than you expected? (Vote): I thought GSL had less viewers.
(Vote): I thought GSL had about this number of viewers.
(Vote): I thought GSL had more viewers.
Considering we've heard recently that the sc2 scene in korea is not doing too well, this seems surprising to me personally. What do you think?
That is why I would really like to know.
How many people actually subscribe per event.
Then we could work out how much money is working towards improving the stream quality and how much is going into their pockets. I personally wouldn't mind paying $5 per season even if almost all of it went into their pockets, but with advertising they probably make enough cash to pay for the stream to US as is. I just wish they wouldn't just attempt to capitalize so much off of foreign viewers, because when their contract is up with Blizzard, someone cheaper will come around.
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I honestly thought it would be much much lower than this. I so happy I'm wrong though
I'm really interested in a country wise break up.
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I'm interested in the live viewer ship of it. I would expect Australia being #1 just because of the time it's on. Dunno though (x
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On July 26 2011 12:05 SLTR.Maverick wrote:
Woah, that's surprising. I'm glad they got so many foreign views. I wonder how many Korean views they had?
I know MLG Columbus got almost half that in 3 days but I still think its quite impressive considering MLG is a foreign tournament that should be getting those foreign views.
Well the MLG stream was filled with people refreshing for lag and tabbing between streams. I watch all weekend and probably contributing 100 views alone if not more.
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I can't stop laughing thinking how how Justin bieber's MV and Friday both have more views than this lol.
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On July 26 2011 12:06 NoobSkills wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 11:45 CursedFeanor wrote:GomTV has apparently released some numbers about its viewership according to this source. Over 50 millions viewers in the first half of 2011 is indeed an impressive feat! It would be interesting to know how many unique viewers there are too... Poll: Does GSL gets more or less viewers than you expected?I thought GSL had less viewers. (472) 92% I thought GSL had more viewers. (24) 5% I thought GSL had about this number of viewers. (17) 3% 513 total votes Your vote: Does GSL gets more or less viewers than you expected? (Vote): I thought GSL had less viewers.
(Vote): I thought GSL had about this number of viewers.
(Vote): I thought GSL had more viewers.
Considering we've heard recently that the sc2 scene in korea is not doing too well, this seems surprising to me personally. What do you think? That is why I would really like to know. How many people actually subscribe per event. Then we could work out how much money is working towards improving the stream quality and how much is going into their pockets. I personally wouldn't mind paying $5 per season even if almost all of it went into their pockets, but with advertising they probably make enough cash to pay for the stream to US as is. I just wish they wouldn't just attempt to capitalize so much off of foreign viewers, because when their contract is up with Blizzard, someone cheaper will come around.
GSL is cheap already. It costs about the price of a movie and you get a months entertainment.
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There was no "I have no way of contextualizing that number" option. :-(
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On July 26 2011 11:56 lunchforthesky wrote:
To put this in context, Husky has 72 million views. Of course that is since June 2009 and you don't pay to watch Husky. Where as the majority of those views will be paying subscribers.
There's so much more you need to know though. For example, how many unique views, is this just on the live stream, or just the vods or both? When I watch a seven game series does this count me seven times or just once? If I watch the same vod twice does that count as 2 views or 1?
Really hard to read much into such an open ended stat.
1) They said it was Vods + Live
2) Series = 1 vod. So it counts you only once
3) I don't know if watching twice counts as 2 views, but I doubt that has much of a difference on the results. I actually just tried to try some form of pseudo scientific test, but even that failed because every time I refresh, it has went up by like 4-5 views 
I'm pretty certain its a bloated stat though. Most people only release the best stat they have, and they figured that was it. It is kinda like when a product says it can DO THIS UP TO (number here)% or something. I just automatically divide by half and subtract my favorite number.
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On July 26 2011 12:00 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if korean views were much smaller. The turnouts to the GSL finals weren't too impressive given the density of korea and also being completely free with a live performance from a famous kpop group. GSL also happens at the same time as some important sc1 matches as well.
Korean VOD views on gomtv.com are consistently higher than foreigner VOD views on gomtv.net
reason for the difference could just be that Korean VODs are free while only Game 1 is free for English VODs
however, the way the views are recorded are not by game, but by the entire match set so views aren't being inflated by watching individual games in a Best of series
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Shitty youtube videos have 50 mill views, so this isn't particularly inspiring.
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It's kind of like Twitter saying they have 200 million accounts and people infer that 200 million unique people use twitter. Of course the numbers are way lower for twitter and gomtv when it comes to actual unique viewers.
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On July 26 2011 12:06 NoobSkills wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 11:45 CursedFeanor wrote:GomTV has apparently released some numbers about its viewership according to this source. Over 50 millions viewers in the first half of 2011 is indeed an impressive feat! It would be interesting to know how many unique viewers there are too... Poll: Does GSL gets more or less viewers than you expected?I thought GSL had less viewers. (472) 92% I thought GSL had more viewers. (24) 5% I thought GSL had about this number of viewers. (17) 3% 513 total votes Your vote: Does GSL gets more or less viewers than you expected? (Vote): I thought GSL had less viewers.
(Vote): I thought GSL had about this number of viewers.
(Vote): I thought GSL had more viewers.
Considering we've heard recently that the sc2 scene in korea is not doing too well, this seems surprising to me personally. What do you think? That is why I would really like to know. How many people actually subscribe per event. Then we could work out how much money is working towards improving the stream quality and how much is going into their pockets. I personally wouldn't mind paying $5 per season even if almost all of it went into their pockets, but with advertising they probably make enough cash to pay for the stream to US as is. I just wish they wouldn't just attempt to capitalize so much off of foreign viewers, because when their contract is up with Blizzard, someone cheaper will come around.
We can get a pretty good idea from the viewer tab on the viewers counts on the VODs. Lets take a player popular in the west, Huk, and use that as our baseline. His RO32 match has 91,000 views. We will assume, as we are making an estimate, that an equal number of people watched it twice, as subscribed but did not watch it, as it is a popular player. We will then deduct a percentage, say 30% of people who viewed the first game, not knowing that the rest are subscriber walled. That gives an estimate of 60,000 subscribers. Granted these numbers could be skewed by any of the guesses I made, but I would imagine its around the correct order of magnitude.
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i'm quite surprised that singapore is 12th with a population of only 6 million.
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On July 26 2011 12:11 mprs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 11:56 lunchforthesky wrote:
To put this in context, Husky has 72 million views. Of course that is since June 2009 and you don't pay to watch Husky. Where as the majority of those views will be paying subscribers.
There's so much more you need to know though. For example, how many unique views, is this just on the live stream, or just the vods or both? When I watch a seven game series does this count me seven times or just once? If I watch the same vod twice does that count as 2 views or 1?
Really hard to read much into such an open ended stat. 1) They said it was Vods + Live 2) Series = 1 vod. So it counts you only once 3) I don't know if watching twice counts as 2 views, but I doubt that has much of a difference on the results. I actually just tried to try some form of pseudo scientific test, but even that failed because every time I refresh, it has went up by like 4-5 views I'm pretty certain its a bloated stat though. Most people only release the best stat they have, and they figured that was it. It is kinda like when a product says it can DO THIS UP TO (number here)% or something. I just automatically divide by half and subtract my favorite number.
Yeah it's definitely bloated, no doubt about that. I'm just not sure how bloated.
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50million Views or viewers? Because i think its just like 100,000 people just continuing to watch again and again.
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I'd rather know unique viewers. I've never really paid attention to total viewers, all the people that refresh 50times every night are probably half that number, lol.
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This is lower than I expected. Mlg Columbus, a three day event, had 22.5 million views. So for 7 months of gsl to barely have a bit more than double that, it just seems low.
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On July 26 2011 12:18 jmbthirteen wrote:
This is lower than I expected. Mlg Columbus, a three day event, had 22.5 million views. So for 7 months of gsl to barely have a bit more than double that, it just seems low.
MLG Columbus also had mass refreshing, while that isn't really a problem with GSL. MLG is also at US prime time, versus with GOM where I imagine most of the US/EU views are from VODs due to the horrible time zone difference.
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Classic case of misleading numbers and statistics.
As it's been mentioned, this is most likely not even the # of unique views, and most certainly it isn't indicative of unique viewers in 2011. lol @ the people mentioning that GSL needs to be on network TV because of a single number. i would be very interested to know the % of those views attributed to live viewing vs VOD viewing which has a lot of bearing as well - are people more interested in the event live when most are not in the correct time zone vs just watching the recording at a more convenient time?
And I don't get why the OP thinks the number is a sign of the sc2 scene "doing well" in korea especially since the 50 million figure only accounts for foreign viewers.
with all that said, this is certainly an encouraging sign for the sc2 scene overall.
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That absolutely has to be views not viewers.
I know it's been said before, it bears saying again.
Still I think that's a quite respectable number!
Glad to see in the article that Canada watches the second most amount, that makes a lot of sense to me actually.
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On July 26 2011 12:17 Lewan72 wrote:
50million Views or viewers? Because i think its just like 100,000 people just continuing to watch again and again.
100,000 paying subscribers would not be bad at all imo. That means they're raising around $1,000,000 per Code S and that's before any of the Korean views, ad revenue or any of the sponsership money from Pepsi, Intel, G-Skill etc...
Plus there's the extra money from Team League.
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I work as a Research Asisstant for a professor and a certain site we used to help examine various websites is alexa.com, it may give some insights into gomtv.net's growth:
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/gomtv.net#
Take what you will from the information provided.
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On July 26 2011 12:19 InvalidID wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 12:18 jmbthirteen wrote:
This is lower than I expected. Mlg Columbus, a three day event, had 22.5 million views. So for 7 months of gsl to barely have a bit more than double that, it just seems low. MLG Columbus also had mass refreshing, while that isn't really a problem with GSL. MLG is also at US prime time, versus with GOM where I imagine most of the US/EU views are from VODs due to the horrible time zone difference.
Its still 3 days vs 7 months of content. I don't care about the timezones and refreshes. Its 7 months compared to 3 days.
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On July 26 2011 12:24 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 12:19 InvalidID wrote:On July 26 2011 12:18 jmbthirteen wrote:
This is lower than I expected. Mlg Columbus, a three day event, had 22.5 million views. So for 7 months of gsl to barely have a bit more than double that, it just seems low. MLG Columbus also had mass refreshing, while that isn't really a problem with GSL. MLG is also at US prime time, versus with GOM where I imagine most of the US/EU views are from VODs due to the horrible time zone difference. Its still 3 days vs 7 months of content. I don't care about the timezones and refreshes. Its 7 months compared to 3 days.
Did you actually watch MLG? I refresh about 100 times across the weekend and swapped between streams, between lq and hq.
Not to mention that MLG was free, and GSL charges.
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On July 26 2011 12:22 ballasdontcry wrote:
Classic case of misleading numbers and statistics.
As it's been mentioned, this is most likely not even the # of unique views, and most certainly it isn't indicative of unique viewers in 2011. lol @ the people mentioning that GSL needs to be on network TV because of a single number. i would be very interested to know the % of those views attributed to live viewing vs VOD viewing because i think gom is just lumping every view together.
And I don't get why the OP thinks the number is a sign of the sc2 scene "doing well" in korea especially since the 50 million figure only accounts for foreign viewers.
with all that said, this is certainly an encouraging sign for the sc2 scene overall.
Actually the number is indicative of the type of scale expected for cable shows in the US, especially not during prime time. Lets use a network that would probably be the most likely to show Starcraft in the US: G4 Tech TV. From: http://www.g4rewind.com/?p=328 , G4 averages 98,000 viewers during the day, and 124,000 during prime time. Assuming that an equivalent number of viewers per broadcast would watch Starcraft, at a non prime time, like say mid day Sunday, or even live at 4 AM when they would probably be showing infomercials, then they would easily beat their ratings average.
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I had to refresh the last semi finals at least 15 times.
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On July 26 2011 12:26 lunchforthesky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 12:24 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 26 2011 12:19 InvalidID wrote:On July 26 2011 12:18 jmbthirteen wrote:
This is lower than I expected. Mlg Columbus, a three day event, had 22.5 million views. So for 7 months of gsl to barely have a bit more than double that, it just seems low. MLG Columbus also had mass refreshing, while that isn't really a problem with GSL. MLG is also at US prime time, versus with GOM where I imagine most of the US/EU views are from VODs due to the horrible time zone difference. Its still 3 days vs 7 months of content. I don't care about the timezones and refreshes. Its 7 months compared to 3 days. Did you actually watch MLG? I refresh about 100 times across the weekend and swapped between streams, between lq and hq. Not to mention that MLG was free, and GSL charges.
Yes I watched. But gsl also has a free stream as well. Only charges for hq/vods. And yes, there were a ton of refreshes, but its still three days vs seven months. I tuned into gsl more times than I refreshed the mlg stream.
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Korean views are much higher than foreigner's.
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I think this is appropriate. #1 in viewers, I thought a euro country would have more.
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On July 26 2011 12:23 lunchforthesky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 12:17 Lewan72 wrote:
50million Views or viewers? Because i think its just like 100,000 people just continuing to watch again and again. 100,000 paying subscribers would not be bad at all imo. That means they're raising around $1,000,000 per Code S and that's before any of the Korean views, ad revenue or any of the sponsership money from Pepsi, Intel, G-Skill etc... Plus there's the extra money from Team League.
That would be an absolute ridiculous number of subscribers. The prize pool itself is only 150000 and I doubt they spend 850000 on production and paying their staff.
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Norway 7 with 4,5 million population ;o
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On July 26 2011 12:38 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 12:23 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 26 2011 12:17 Lewan72 wrote:
50million Views or viewers? Because i think its just like 100,000 people just continuing to watch again and again. 100,000 paying subscribers would not be bad at all imo. That means they're raising around $1,000,000 per Code S and that's before any of the Korean views, ad revenue or any of the sponsership money from Pepsi, Intel, G-Skill etc... Plus there's the extra money from Team League. That would be an absolute ridiculous number of subscribers. The prize pool itself is only 150000 and I doubt they spend 850000 on production and paying their staff.
I think you underestimate how expensive production, staff, facilities, overhead and infrastructure are. That would probably be around the break even point, if that was their only source of revenue. Of course they have sponsors and advertisers. Looking at VOD viewer numbers, this is probably around the numbers they have.
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I wonder if it's possible they could make more money by youtube partnership instead of exclusive VODs since they would get a massive increase in viewing audience
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Absoulte pointless thread if you don't explain how these 50 million are calculated.
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On July 26 2011 12:41 InvalidID wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 12:38 Itsmedudeman wrote:On July 26 2011 12:23 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 26 2011 12:17 Lewan72 wrote:
50million Views or viewers? Because i think its just like 100,000 people just continuing to watch again and again. 100,000 paying subscribers would not be bad at all imo. That means they're raising around $1,000,000 per Code S and that's before any of the Korean views, ad revenue or any of the sponsership money from Pepsi, Intel, G-Skill etc... Plus there's the extra money from Team League. That would be an absolute ridiculous number of subscribers. The prize pool itself is only 150000 and I doubt they spend 850000 on production and paying their staff. I think you underestimate how expensive production, staff, facilities and infrastructure are. That would probably be around the break even point, if that was their only source of revenue. Of course they have sponsors and advertisers.
Well the thing is this is a MONTHLY reveneue. 850000 per month on production/staff? It's not like they have to get new booths every time.
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Can someone do some maths, work out how many broadcast days of GSL that was and do some division, count up VOD views and shit and give some rough estimates of daily watchers?
I probably would but I'm about to head out.
Also Australia woot.
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On July 26 2011 11:50 DragonFist wrote:
Wow. That's actually amazing. Mind boggling even. To think that 50 million people tuned in to watch starcraft at its highest production and play level is amazing.
Well it's probably closer to 500,000 people each tuning in on average a hundred times, or something like that. Probably somewhere between that and 50,000 unique viewers is my guess
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They could have more if they did a rebroadcast at say, 23:00 GMT (+00:00)
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On July 26 2011 12:43 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 12:41 InvalidID wrote:On July 26 2011 12:38 Itsmedudeman wrote:On July 26 2011 12:23 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 26 2011 12:17 Lewan72 wrote:
50million Views or viewers? Because i think its just like 100,000 people just continuing to watch again and again. 100,000 paying subscribers would not be bad at all imo. That means they're raising around $1,000,000 per Code S and that's before any of the Korean views, ad revenue or any of the sponsership money from Pepsi, Intel, G-Skill etc... Plus there's the extra money from Team League. That would be an absolute ridiculous number of subscribers. The prize pool itself is only 150000 and I doubt they spend 850000 on production and paying their staff. I think you underestimate how expensive production, staff, facilities and infrastructure are. That would probably be around the break even point, if that was their only source of revenue. Of course they have sponsors and advertisers. Well the thing is this is a MONTHLY reveneue. 850000 per month on production/staff? It's not like they have to get new booths every time.
It is not monthly, it is bimonthly or so, unless GSTL/the special events get equivalent subscribers which may be the case. You have to cost in the computer infrastructure, paying the staff, accounting, leasing a studio, cleaning the studio, maintaining the studio, paying health care for the staff, paying taxes, paying for equipment, paying for software developers for their platform, paying for bandwidth, paying for whatever type of edge caching system they have to efficiently stream to the US and Europe, and all sorts of other costs.
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I thought GSL had less viewers but am happy that I was wrong!
Go GSL!
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btw korean views were already 100 millions last year
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50 million view??!!
mind = blown
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On July 26 2011 12:16 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
i'm quite surprised that singapore is 12th with a population of only 6 million.
Norway is 7th with a population of 5 million.
We do like our SC2!
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On July 26 2011 12:53 Nimic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 12:16 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
i'm quite surprised that singapore is 12th with a population of only 6 million. Norway is 7th with a population of 5 million. We do like our SC2!
sweden 3rd with 9 million pop gg no re :D
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50 million? Damn, foreigners are becoming EPIC Oo......
Is the title 50 millions? or 50 million?
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Australia outshining lots of far bigger countries in terms of viewers is kind of sad. Lift your game other countries! (I realise we have the best GSL viewing time as we are in an "Asian" timezone).
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I believe I read somewhere on the Korean GOM site that they average 150,000+ people per night tuning in to the GSL.
So yeah, GSL is the biggest SC2 tournament in the world. Not surprised.
Hopefully the July finals are a huge success with a big turnout.
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On July 26 2011 12:32 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 12:26 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 26 2011 12:24 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 26 2011 12:19 InvalidID wrote:On July 26 2011 12:18 jmbthirteen wrote:
This is lower than I expected. Mlg Columbus, a three day event, had 22.5 million views. So for 7 months of gsl to barely have a bit more than double that, it just seems low. MLG Columbus also had mass refreshing, while that isn't really a problem with GSL. MLG is also at US prime time, versus with GOM where I imagine most of the US/EU views are from VODs due to the horrible time zone difference. Its still 3 days vs 7 months of content. I don't care about the timezones and refreshes. Its 7 months compared to 3 days. Did you actually watch MLG? I refresh about 100 times across the weekend and swapped between streams, between lq and hq. Not to mention that MLG was free, and GSL charges. Yes I watched. But gsl also has a free stream as well. Only charges for hq/vods. And yes, there were a ton of refreshes, but its still three days vs seven months. I tuned into gsl more times than I refreshed the mlg stream.
The thing is, if GSL is a special 3 days tourney, gathers all the like of Nestea,MC,Bomber, features Tastosis casting, with awesome preshow kpop, no disconnecting whatsoever, and at a lil bit reasonable time etc Im sure it would surpass MLG by miles
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I'd be REALLY curious to see the context behind these numbers.....
I dont think these can be a negative as it's pretty obvious the scene has grown tremendously.
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On July 26 2011 13:18 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 12:32 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 26 2011 12:26 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 26 2011 12:24 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 26 2011 12:19 InvalidID wrote:On July 26 2011 12:18 jmbthirteen wrote:
This is lower than I expected. Mlg Columbus, a three day event, had 22.5 million views. So for 7 months of gsl to barely have a bit more than double that, it just seems low. MLG Columbus also had mass refreshing, while that isn't really a problem with GSL. MLG is also at US prime time, versus with GOM where I imagine most of the US/EU views are from VODs due to the horrible time zone difference. Its still 3 days vs 7 months of content. I don't care about the timezones and refreshes. Its 7 months compared to 3 days. Did you actually watch MLG? I refresh about 100 times across the weekend and swapped between streams, between lq and hq. Not to mention that MLG was free, and GSL charges. Yes I watched. But gsl also has a free stream as well. Only charges for hq/vods. And yes, there were a ton of refreshes, but its still three days vs seven months. I tuned into gsl more times than I refreshed the mlg stream. The thing is, if GSL is a special 3 days tourney, gathers all the like of Nestea,MC,Bomber, features Tastosis casting, with awesome preshow kpop, no disconnecting whatsoever, and at a lil bit reasonable time etc Im sure it would surpass MLG by miles
I don't mean to imply mlg is better, I love and watch both. I just expected more views.
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On July 26 2011 13:23 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 13:18 Arceus wrote:On July 26 2011 12:32 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 26 2011 12:26 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 26 2011 12:24 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 26 2011 12:19 InvalidID wrote:On July 26 2011 12:18 jmbthirteen wrote:
This is lower than I expected. Mlg Columbus, a three day event, had 22.5 million views. So for 7 months of gsl to barely have a bit more than double that, it just seems low. MLG Columbus also had mass refreshing, while that isn't really a problem with GSL. MLG is also at US prime time, versus with GOM where I imagine most of the US/EU views are from VODs due to the horrible time zone difference. Its still 3 days vs 7 months of content. I don't care about the timezones and refreshes. Its 7 months compared to 3 days. Did you actually watch MLG? I refresh about 100 times across the weekend and swapped between streams, between lq and hq. Not to mention that MLG was free, and GSL charges. Yes I watched. But gsl also has a free stream as well. Only charges for hq/vods. And yes, there were a ton of refreshes, but its still three days vs seven months. I tuned into gsl more times than I refreshed the mlg stream. The thing is, if GSL is a special 3 days tourney, gathers all the like of Nestea,MC,Bomber, features Tastosis casting, with awesome preshow kpop, no disconnecting whatsoever, and at a lil bit reasonable time etc Im sure it would surpass MLG by miles I don't mean to imply mlg is better, I love and watch both. I just expected more views.
Not even that, but they could really bring in a lot of foreigner viewers by capitalizing on early round GSL games targeted to foreigners as a special event. For example, they could broadcast a match in the RO32 of the GSL featuring a player popular in the foreign community at a time bracket targeted to foreign viewers, but still somewhat reasonable for the players. 10 PM EST, for example, would be decent for the players(10AM), but still hit a prime time type bracket. For example, I don't think the Korean interest in say, Sheths RO32 Code A game was much higher then foreigner interest.
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sounds impressive but who knows how many unique that is, i watch the GSL probably ~100 times a year
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where is Korea on the list?
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On July 26 2011 13:51 SheaR619 wrote:
where is Korea on the list?
LOL. Sorry being rude, it's a list of foreign views lol.
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But guys, GSL is dying remember? i thought we all believed the people saying that the GSL is in viewer count trouble? (citation needed)
Clearly this is an elaborate hoax and i for one, will NOT be fooled into positive thoughts.
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MLG can be used as a rough point of reference, but I don't feel like it's a good comparison. As mentioned, the time zone difference makes a huge difference. Also, the use of the GOMplayer, while not a big deal for hardcore fans, will stop some people from giving it a try, while MLG is viewable without any additional installation.
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On July 26 2011 14:32 Headnoob wrote:
But guys, GSL is dying remember? i thought we all believed the people saying that the GSL is in viewer count trouble? (citation needed)
Clearly this is an elaborate hoax and i for one, will NOT be fooled into positive thoughts.
I think that was referring to their live audiences.
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Given that the most viewed VOD on gomtv.net has less than 1 million views I am incredibly skeptical about the 50 million viewer figure. And I am aware that that 1 million doesn't take into account non English versions or VODs uploaded to other sites like Youtube.
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Number of views is actually more relevant to ads than "number of viewers"
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That's extremely impressive considering what insane times it is for most foreign countries, especially US time, a year ago I never would have thought to be watching a starcraft 2 tournament almost every day at 5 AM. Just goes to show what great production value, good casting and a good, consistent stream can do.
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I bet they only have around 30k who pay for the ticket. Each of the Vods says they have 60,000 views but the first set is free. I just watch the first set once in awhile but never pay for it.
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wow i see japan on the list of the rankings of countries that watch GSL
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I'm surprised that Japan is on the list (esp above UK wow)
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What most amazes me is China's 12 million views in *two* months (May and June).
Also, the huge foreign numbers aren't too surprising, as you can see how the GSL has been making a very conscious effort to be foreigner friendly, first with the Code A seeding, then the MLG exchange program, ect.
But China... if the non-Chinese/Korean viewership is 50 mil for 6 months, China is going to be their most important market. I guess it's not too surprising since China is probably the biggest War3 scene and the year they hosted WCG they got like 100k people in attendance.
Best thing that could happen to GSL now is if Moon makes a deep Code A run next season lol.
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well this is total views not at 1 time, sooo not really that shocking, but nevertheless this is great for esports
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This is actually interesting because Destiny's stream has 17.5million views.
http://www.justin.tv/steven_bonnell_ii
Considering the difference in production quality (basicly a team vs a computer).............that's some lols.
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On July 26 2011 18:39 Mioraka wrote:This is actually interesting because Destiny's stream has 17.5million views. http://www.justin.tv/steven_bonnell_iiConsidering the difference in production quality (basicly a team vs a computer).............that's some lols.
Slight difference between the two though: One of them (destiny) requires you to press 1 button in order to watch. GSL requires you to create an account, download a shitty player and then stream it through that shit.
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On July 26 2011 20:18 Rabbitmaster wrote:Slight difference between the two though: One of them (destiny) requires you to press 1 button in order to watch. GSL requires you to create an account, download a shitty player and then stream it through that shit.
worth it.
But good to see lots of Australians tuned in, but then again, it's on at a perfect hour here.
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Unique views are more important than that. :/
Those numbers are grossly exaggerated.
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streamviewer numbers are always so random
i have no idea what to make of them
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HAHA! Thats more than the entire population of south korea. :o
But its ridiculous that more people in england watch GSL than in Germany, WTF!
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Oh wow didn't expect us in England to be 5th in the list of views :D Awesome
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Exaggerated or not, that's still a hefty number
lol at the country rankings, Australia?? Thought sc2 was nearly dead over here, guess I'll have to search better
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Unique views are the only thing that matters, just views doesn't really say much about the actual amount of people watching GSL.
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On July 26 2011 21:41 King of Kings wrote:
HAHA! Thats more than the entire population of south korea. :o
But its ridiculous that more people in england watch GSL than in Germany, WTF!
Since those are probably views, not viewers, it should be the horrible english internet cutting the connections of people all the time, so they have to reload the stream :p
+ Show Spoiler +just kidding ofc, though it would explain it :p
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After doing more research through HCIRN. Teamliquid gets more than 3x the unique viewers than GOMTV alone. Sorry, but those numbers mean very, very little.
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There is need to differentiate, 50 million viewers in 2011 does not mean 50 million unique viewers.
The latter one would the the truly interesting number and the number people can imagine best.
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I'll be interested if the broke down the numbers - how many watched the finals? How many in group stages? etc
Also, if GSL aired in USA friendly times, the numbers would be much much more. But, being an Aussie, I like it this way
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Does this mean 50 million viewers, or just views??
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Shame on you Germany for being so low on the list! What's up with that?!
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On July 26 2011 11:47 Uncultured wrote:
Well this is only foreign viewership. So we still don't really know how well it's recieved in Korea. And this is during crazy hours for the US.
its not much better in eu
here it is like 10 am so most people are at school or at work at that time i would imagine soo
good job gsl
(pretty sure they get a lot of views with the vods though )
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On July 26 2011 21:52 Azzur wrote:I'll be interested if the broke down the numbers - how many watched the finals? How many in group stages? etc Also, if GSL aired in USA friendly times, the numbers would be much much more. But, being an Aussie, I like it this way
You can do that by looking at the view count of the VODs or am I missing something here?
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These numbers are, if they are correct, actually quite bad.
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I don't like this measurement, but I don't like GOM releasing viewership numbers either.
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50M certainly looks impressive.
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lol japan
i know its 20 but still its more than some countries ;;
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I wonder if they count every time someone connects to the stream because I usually get 5+ disconnects each day I watch and at worst its been a lot more than that...
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Misleading PR statistics ftl. Many have already complained about it being views instead of viewers but consider also that free stream cuts off at least couple times per hour (for me at least, doubt I'm the only one) and you can substract even more from those figures.
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On July 26 2011 21:53 vrok wrote:
Shame on you Germany for being so low on the list! What's up with that?!
eSports or Gaming in general is not nearly as big here as in Scandinavia. Not even every german has broadband internet, so its a long way to go here.
The overall number of people who bought and played SC2 here is probably the highest in Europe, but 95% probably doesn't even played one MP-Game and never watched any Pro-Games.
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On July 26 2011 21:43 DisaFear wrote:
Exaggerated or not, that's still a hefty number
lol at the country rankings, Australia?? Thought sc2 was nearly dead over here, guess I'll have to search better
The SC2 competition is dead here, but you don't have to be good at Starcraft to watch GSL. You'd be surprised how many Australians tune in. Tasteless was.
EDIT: And when I say dead, I mean that in a relative sense. Can't forget all the good people who help boost gaming infrastructure over here!
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Wow so many chinese viewers is great. Such a big country, that's so much potential.
Does Gom have chinese casters or do they watch the english stream?
I hope to see the rise of many pro players from China the coming years
The distribution of pro players is still so concentrated. Like Sweden has so many pros while the other Scandinavian countries have just a few.
For me as a European who doesn't know better, South Korea and Japan are quite similar countries. Hi tech, into gaming, hard workers. But still I know no Japanese pro players and 100s of Koreans. Same with Singapore, India, Maleisia etc etc
Still so much to gain there for sc2 =)
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Just you wait Zandar, once the FXO team house is up and running, you'll see some high quality Malaysians bust onto the scene.
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On July 26 2011 12:37 Boblhead wrote:I think this is appropriate. #1 in viewers, I thought a euro country would have more. + Show Spoiler +
Hardly appropriate, since Canada has a mere 10% of the States' population, and Sweden only has 3%. (300 million vs 34 vs 9 million). Sweden, fuck yeah! But without numbers it's still guessing.
On the other hand: MLG Columbus:
http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/2828/#
22.5 Million in a weekend(non-unique) vs 50 Million all year (non-unique).
It's really not THAT impressive, rather in the line of thought.
But one really needs unique viewers to make any sense off of all this.
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I'm getting a bit irritated by all organizations releasing how many "clicks" they have on their stream. It doesn't tell us shit. Please begin giving us information that we can actually learn something from.
50mil in 6 months is however not bad for GSL, 5 events. 10mil per event, ~20 days of broadcasting per event is ~500 000 views per day. If they count the GSTLs I guess it's less.
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I'm surprised Japan is on the list, actually. I have yet to hear of a single Japanese SC2 pro.
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On July 26 2011 22:09 Zandar wrote:Wow so many chinese viewers is great. Such a big country, that's so much potential. Does Gom have chinese casters or do they watch the english stream? I hope to see the rise of many pro players from China the coming years The distribution of pro players is still so concentrated. Like Sweden has so many pros while the other Scandinavian countries have just a few. For me as a European who doesn't know better, South Korea and Japan are quite similar countries. Hi tech, into gaming, hard workers. But still I know no Japanese pro players and 100s of Koreans. Same with Singapore, India, Maleisia etc etc Still so much to gain there for sc2 =)
GSL in China is actually broadcast exclusively through NeoTV (You can't watch from the GOM player). It's identical to the English cast except they have their own version of Tastosis casting. The cast is about 3-4 minutes late because they've got to edit it and stick their own stuff in.
Tastosis is still much much better 
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Ok, but any idea, how many viewERS they get like on Code S ?
On July 26 2011 22:27 Giku wrote:Hardly appropriate, since Canada has a mere 10% of the States' population, and Sweden only has 3%. (300 million vs 34 vs 9 million). Sweden, fuck yeah! But without numbers it's still guessing. On the other hand: MLG Columbus: http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/2828/#22.5 Million in a weekend(non-unique) vs 50 Million all year (non-unique). It's really not THAT impressive, rather in the line of thought. But one really needs unique viewers to make any sense off of all this.
Yea, but u cant compare GSL to MLG.
MLG was 3 day event ( 12 hours per day ) with very good hours for NA + EU.
GSL for EU is at 11am ( school / work hours ) for NA its a middle of the night and still it got so many views.
I guess, they dont count VODs.
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