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On July 21 2011 17:41 brachester wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:37 seiferoth10 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:33 Cuddle wrote:
I don't understand how this is terrible by either Puma or EG.
I have a job, I'm contracted and have a salary. I get job offers by other companies every now and then, I talk to them about what they offer and when I find something I prefer to my current work situation (be it better pay, better work environment or what have you) I go tell my current boss that I have gotten a better offer and I resign my position. According to basic Swedish employee law (which is in my contract) I have to stay on for 3 month after quitting (to give my employee a chance to find a replacement) BUT we can negotiate this time down to 0 days if both parts agree.
It seems like this was exactly what happened in the Puma-EG case and I don't see anything wrong with it, at all. If TSL wanted to hold Puma to his contract, they could probably have and EG would have had to wait until it expired. They chose not to, in agreement with Puma. Case closed. Oh thank god, someone with a brain. You are a rare breed. Well look at this, the problem is not Puma joining EG, the problem here is how EG approach the player, not the trading itself. Coach lee respect his players wishes and let him go. Let's make an assumption like this, if EG did not directly offer Puma without TSL's permission, they went to talk to TSL, and they did not give EG the permission to talk to Puma, things could have gone a lot different, Puma wouldn't consider about the money and happily stay back. In some other more professional sports like soccer, this way of approaching the players are even considered to be illegal and the club could be fined
Yeah, but the scale and the value of the contract matters, and dictates the level of regulation warranted.
It's not like Puma was making millions of dollars. He doesn't have an agent to represent him or protect his interests. Who knows if he was even making minimum wage.
Can you imagine how angry you would be if someone wanted to hire you from your current job and was willing to pay you more money, but your employer basically cock blocked it because it would be inconvenient for them?
Puma might have a contract, but he shouldn't be treated like a slave.
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EG.PUMA FIGHTING!!! (or EG.Gentleman) and if we cant beat them make them us......!!!!! thats how USA ROLLS!!!! lol
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Pretty dirty move by EG. This only reinforces the Koreans hatred for Idra and co. I suppose the Koreans are too used to their customs with management discussions and free agency periods.
They can prevent this kind of poaching by having team members sign more binding contracts.
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On July 21 2011 17:46 yeint wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:41 brachester wrote:Coach lee respect his players wishes and let him go. Not before publicly crucifying him and making himself the victim. The only unprofessionalism that's been shown so far is that. Regardless of the details, if you respect a person, the public face of the end of your professional relationship should be amicable.
how in the world did coach lee publicly crucify him? i don't understand, are we looking at the same facts here?
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On July 21 2011 17:43 IcedBacon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:42 trikshun wrote:On July 21 2011 17:40 iamke55 wrote:
You know foreigner teams are desperate when they do whatever it takes to acquire a Code B player. How was that a desperate move? EG offered and PuMa took it Upsetting the entire Korean community is not exactly a wise move.
Yeah it isn't but EG was not desperate they simply offered him a contract and it was PuMa's desicion to join
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On July 21 2011 17:37 seiferoth10 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:33 Cuddle wrote:
I don't understand how this is terrible by either Puma or EG.
I have a job, I'm contracted and have a salary. I get job offers by other companies every now and then, I talk to them about what they offer and when I find something I prefer to my current work situation (be it better pay, better work environment or what have you) I go tell my current boss that I have gotten a better offer and I resign my position. According to basic Swedish employee law (which is in my contract) I have to stay on for 3 month after quitting (to give my employee a chance to find a replacement) BUT we can negotiate this time down to 0 days if both parts agree.
It seems like this was exactly what happened in the Puma-EG case and I don't see anything wrong with it, at all. If TSL wanted to hold Puma to his contract, they could probably have and EG would have had to wait until it expired. They chose not to, in agreement with Puma. Case closed. Oh thank god, someone with a brain. You are a rare breed.
Sports do not work like most other jobs. This comparison is worthless. If you play in the NFL you can't just leave your team mid-season because another team offers you more money.
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On July 21 2011 17:46 papaz wrote:
These sorts of transfers happen all the time. Stop creating drama.
People get job offers all the time without their bosses or coaches first getting to know about it. I dont understand the fuss.
But unfortunately this is bad for Puma as a player. Look at his practice partners in EG compared to TSL. Besides Idra, which imo isnt at the level of many of the current GSL players, there is nobody nameworthy.
You're on the wrong forum.
I think.
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On July 21 2011 17:46 Blitz Beat wrote:
I wish GOM took a more proactive stance on helping teams get financial assistance or in touch with some sponsors. Instead, teams are sort of fending for themselves and left to deal with stuff like this.
Sort of makes me wish Kespa took the reigns on starcraft 2.
Gom needs to focus on getting their league sponsored each season.
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On July 21 2011 17:46 yeint wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:41 brachester wrote:Coach lee respect his players wishes and let him go. Not before publicly crucifying him and making himself the victim. The only unprofessionalism that's been shown so far is that. Regardless of the details, if you respect a person, the public face of the end of your professional relationship should be amicable.
What about Scoots tweeting about people not knowing facts instead of telling us the facts? Is that professional?
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On July 21 2011 17:46 android_245 wrote:
I think another element that is missing from this story is Puma's motives. Why would he join a foreign team which involves him potentially leaving his home country and living and adapt in a new country? Does he not realize or is not aware of the foreign playing environment which may impact on his capability to improve (lesser practice partners, etc.).
This gives me the impression the salary EG is offering to Puma has a huge impact that caused him to make such a radically decision. This also gives me the impression Puma is more interested in money rather than improving (this is just my opinion).
What I've learned is that many koreans doesn't know how poor training is here. They think every team is training like they do with alot of different players with actuall talent or skill.
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On July 21 2011 17:40 iamke55 wrote:
You know foreigner teams are desperate when they do whatever it takes to acquire a Code B player.
You're thinking in terms of player-quality, when money is all that matters in the real world. In terms of money/finance it is the Korean teams that should be desperate.
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I like how 99% of the people posting about this have absolutely no knowledge or experience with how korean culture works. It's not the same guys. The dumb analogy with the employer? Doesn't work when it's between the West and the East. Time to go to bed.
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On July 21 2011 17:47 Duravi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:37 seiferoth10 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:33 Cuddle wrote:
I don't understand how this is terrible by either Puma or EG.
I have a job, I'm contracted and have a salary. I get job offers by other companies every now and then, I talk to them about what they offer and when I find something I prefer to my current work situation (be it better pay, better work environment or what have you) I go tell my current boss that I have gotten a better offer and I resign my position. According to basic Swedish employee law (which is in my contract) I have to stay on for 3 month after quitting (to give my employee a chance to find a replacement) BUT we can negotiate this time down to 0 days if both parts agree.
It seems like this was exactly what happened in the Puma-EG case and I don't see anything wrong with it, at all. If TSL wanted to hold Puma to his contract, they could probably have and EG would have had to wait until it expired. They chose not to, in agreement with Puma. Case closed. Oh thank god, someone with a brain. You are a rare breed. Sports do not work like most other jobs. This comparison is worthless. If you play in the NFL you can't just leave your team mid-season because another team offers you more money.
And you can't compare sports to this because its completely different. The reason you can't leave your team like that mid season is because the NFL says so. There is no governing body in sc2 that says a player can't do what Puma did.
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Puma isn't just an object auctioned for the highest bidder, if he had wanted to stay in TSL he could easily have done so regardless of the pay raise EG offered. My bet is that Puma wanted to be on a more successful team, practicing with better players.
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On July 21 2011 17:46 yeint wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:41 brachester wrote:Coach lee respect his players wishes and let him go. Not before publicly crucifying him and making himself the victim. The only unprofessionalism that's been shown so far is that. Regardless of the details, if you respect a person, the public face of the end of your professional relationship should be amicable.
He is the victim lol, he just lost his most promising player because he sent him to a tournament where another team just sniped him without even discussing it with the management, therefore fucking up everything that is respect for each others teams and ability to plan ahead.
Coach Lee is and has always been a very nice person who has always looked out for his players, you dont know what youre talking about.
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On July 21 2011 17:48 FryktSkyene wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:46 yeint wrote:On July 21 2011 17:41 brachester wrote:Coach lee respect his players wishes and let him go. Not before publicly crucifying him and making himself the victim. The only unprofessionalism that's been shown so far is that. Regardless of the details, if you respect a person, the public face of the end of your professional relationship should be amicable. What about Scoots tweeting about people not knowing facts instead of telling us the facts? Is that professional?
I guess Twitter is the place to act professional and the place to make formal press releases about things. Yay!
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On July 21 2011 17:46 yeint wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:41 brachester wrote:Coach lee respect his players wishes and let him go. Not before publicly crucifying him and making himself the victim. The only unprofessionalism that's been shown so far is that. Regardless of the details, if you respect a person, the public face of the end of your professional relationship should be amicable.
Where's the crucifixion of PuMa? Quite imaginary, aren't you? 
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On July 21 2011 17:47 DigitalisDestructi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:39 Benjef wrote:
In one sense this is hurting esports. Korean teams are going to be much more fearful of sending their aces abroad now if they're just going to get poached by foreign teams. Perhaps they will send even more Koreans abroad to take all the foreigners' money as a revenge!
I think Korean teams not sending their Aces to foreign tournaments would only encourage them to defect to foreign teams.
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On July 21 2011 17:47 Namu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:46 yeint wrote:On July 21 2011 17:41 brachester wrote:Coach lee respect his players wishes and let him go. Not before publicly crucifying him and making himself the victim. The only unprofessionalism that's been shown so far is that. Regardless of the details, if you respect a person, the public face of the end of your professional relationship should be amicable. how in the world did coach lee publicly crucify him? i don't understand, are we looking at the same facts here?
By airing the details and calling it "disrespectful", he painted Puma as a money-grubbing traitor and EG as a villain.
That's beyond unprofessional. And if you're going to reply with something silly like "but he told the truth!" then just know I'd be done talking to you.
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