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SxYSpAz
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1451 Posts
July 21 2011 08:41 GMT
#1821
wow this is so surprising. i can't imagine how this gets carried out. he was clearly offered more money i would imagine, but i'd also imagine that he won't be moving out of korea, and therefor won't be practicing in a house. Kinda weird, and i'm entirely sure if i like it yet.

TSL better pick it up or else i see an early demise.
Also, EG better nurture this kids talent like it's their job... cause it is.

GL to Puma, EG and TSL
brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
July 21 2011 08:41 GMT
#1822
On July 21 2011 17:37 seiferoth10 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 17:33 Cuddle wrote:
I don't understand how this is terrible by either Puma or EG.

I have a job, I'm contracted and have a salary. I get job offers by other companies every now and then, I talk to them about what they offer and when I find something I prefer to my current work situation (be it better pay, better work environment or what have you) I go tell my current boss that I have gotten a better offer and I resign my position. According to basic Swedish employee law (which is in my contract) I have to stay on for 3 month after quitting (to give my employee a chance to find a replacement) BUT we can negotiate this time down to 0 days if both parts agree.

It seems like this was exactly what happened in the Puma-EG case and I don't see anything wrong with it, at all. If TSL wanted to hold Puma to his contract, they could probably have and EG would have had to wait until it expired. They chose not to, in agreement with Puma. Case closed.

Oh thank god, someone with a brain. You are a rare breed.

Well look at this, the problem is not Puma joining EG, the problem here is how EG approach the player, not the trading itself. Coach lee respect his players wishes and let him go. Let's make an assumption like this, if EG did not directly offer Puma without TSL's permission, they went to talk to TSL, and they did not give EG the permission to talk to Puma, things could have gone a lot different, Puma wouldn't consider about the money and happily stay back. In some other more professional sports like soccer, this way of approaching the players are even considered to be illegal and the club could be fined
I hate all this singing
Ansalem
Profile Joined November 2010
564 Posts
July 21 2011 08:41 GMT
#1823
On July 21 2011 17:40 enecateReAP wrote:
Woah okay okay LOL
They DIDNT get paid saleries until recently then, because FD and Tester were the only salleried players for the longest time.


No. TSL gave salaries to the whole team at the same time, four months ago. All the links that people just gave you say that. They only announced the amount of FD and Tester's salaries. You're just remembering wrong so give it a rest.
alexhard
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden317 Posts
July 21 2011 08:41 GMT
#1824
While I feel that poaching is reprehensible, the "system to prevent this kind of thing from happening" that the coach wants, exists: it's called contracts. If TSL doesn't have contracts with their players it's their own fault. If they do, then sue the hell out of PuMa for breaking it.
I)etox
Profile Joined April 2011
1240 Posts
July 21 2011 08:41 GMT
#1825
On July 21 2011 17:39 Beyonder wrote:
With all these foreign pickups the GSTL might be gettign uninteresting T_T! They need to pay salary in Korea

Oh well, at least EG have 2 (real) good players now :o


Wasn't TSL the first team to give player salaries? Although I don't know if Puma received one or not.
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
July 21 2011 08:42 GMT
#1826
On July 21 2011 17:40 iamke55 wrote:
You know foreigner teams are desperate when they do whatever it takes to acquire a Code B player.

as if code B was bad? Where do you think players like dongraegu are?
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
July 21 2011 08:42 GMT
#1827
@OrangeMilkis Wooju Lee
One thing before I go to sleep: I wouldn't talk ill about TSL's administration given what we know of Manager Lee -- he cares for his players
trikshun
Profile Joined October 2010
United States437 Posts
July 21 2011 08:42 GMT
#1828
On July 21 2011 17:40 iamke55 wrote:
You know foreigner teams are desperate when they do whatever it takes to acquire a Code B player.

How was that a desperate move? EG offered and PuMa took it
LlamaNamedOsama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1900 Posts
July 21 2011 08:43 GMT
#1829
On July 21 2011 17:40 iamke55 wrote:
You know foreigner teams are desperate when they do whatever it takes to acquire a Code B player.


Current league codes aren't really that great an indicator of skill, I mean look at players like DongRaeGu who also can't break through those insane Code A qualifiers....his performance in NASL should be plenty to demonstrate that he's not truly "Code B"
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Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
July 21 2011 08:43 GMT
#1830
On July 21 2011 17:40 iamke55 wrote:
You know foreigner teams are desperate when they do whatever it takes to acquire a Code B player.

Well, most eg players arent that good :x understandable that they do this
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Kyyuna
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1222 Posts
July 21 2011 08:43 GMT
#1831
On July 21 2011 17:42 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
@OrangeMilkis Wooju Lee
One thing before I go to sleep: I wouldn't talk ill about TSL's administration given what we know of Manager Lee -- he cares for his players


Mama Bear cares for the players :3
BookII
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia400 Posts
July 21 2011 08:43 GMT
#1832
If you can't beat em, recruit em
Cuddle
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1345 Posts
July 21 2011 08:43 GMT
#1833
On July 21 2011 17:40 iamke55 wrote:
You know foreigner teams are desperate when they do whatever it takes to acquire a Code B player.


Actually, I don't think it's for the Code B they want him, but rather for the massive amount of fandom he received in NA/EU. I don't think EG cares much about his placing in GSL. The fact that 100s of people chanted "PuMa, PuMa, PuMa" probably is what attracted EG.
Tyrannon
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany113 Posts
July 21 2011 08:43 GMT
#1834
There is no need for new Sta<ndards, Ethics or anything like that. Just do a foolproof Workingcontract with the Players.

The Way TSL handled his Player was just unprofessional.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
July 21 2011 08:43 GMT
#1835
On July 21 2011 17:40 iamke55 wrote:
You know foreigner teams are desperate when they do whatever it takes to acquire a Code B player.


Well puma beat MC in a bo7 to win 50k in the NASL finals so he's obviously sick good, definitely not bad!
When I think of something else, something will go here
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 08:44:38
July 21 2011 08:43 GMT
#1836
I feel bad for Puma. He was probably getting nothing or close to it from TSL and jumped at the amount of money EG offered him. The thing he doesn't realize is having poor practice partners compared to what he had in korea is really going to stunt his growth. People comparing this to the FXO buyout of fOU or the SK deal with OGS are completely wrong. In both of those other deals the practice of the players is not hindered at all (in the FXO deal it is potentially even helped) where in this deal the quality of practice partners for the player drops like a rock.

The fact that EG seemingly made no contact with TSL is pretty disgusting too. There is no legitimate sport where you can just go up to a player and buy him well he is under contract without talking to the team he is contracted to first. Props to TSL for releasing him despite the underhandedness of EG.
IcedBacon
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada906 Posts
July 21 2011 08:43 GMT
#1837
On July 21 2011 17:42 trikshun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 17:40 iamke55 wrote:
You know foreigner teams are desperate when they do whatever it takes to acquire a Code B player.

How was that a desperate move? EG offered and PuMa took it


Upsetting the entire Korean community is not exactly a wise move.
"I went Zerg because Artosis is a douchebag." -IdrA
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
July 21 2011 08:44 GMT
#1838
On July 21 2011 17:40 wats0n wrote:
That's speculation. Fact remains they have a contract and they can honor it. Puma didn't break the contract, TSL broke the contract because they're pissed he isn't re-signing. Sour grapes.


I doubt any team would want to keep a player who basically told them:

"I'm leaving because they offered a briefcase of money. I don't respect the rest of my teammates or any of the bonds I share enough to actually tell you of their offer before I made the decision on my own."
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
manicshock
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada741 Posts
July 21 2011 08:44 GMT
#1839
On July 21 2011 17:37 nam nam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 17:34 manicshock wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:31 zerglingsfolife wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:31 Namu wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:30 vojnik wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:29 Fionn wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:27 vojnik wrote:
i see many people are so naive and live in a fairy tale
if you think koreans wont do the same having the opurtunity EG had you are soooo wrong

DIMAGA was directly approached by Startale during World vs Korea games in GSL

Many people talk about Puma like he is an object or property, he was given an offer, the thought it trough and decided its a better step for his life and carrier, if there was some breach in contract there are LEGAL tools people can use instead of whining.


Source please?


Dimaga said that in an interview while he was in the GOM House


so uh source please? you saying he said something is not source you know


He said it, it might be in kelly milkis justin tv channel in an old vod.


There's proof of life on other planets. It's true, just look in that giant dusty library that's deep underground that may exist you just have to look for it. I'll let you do the digging though.


Do you only say stuff that you have evidence off close at hand?


I swallow my own words. I thought he was going to leave it at that, and not bother finding the VOD.
Never argue with an idiot. They will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
yeint
Profile Joined May 2011
Estonia2329 Posts
July 21 2011 08:44 GMT
#1840
On July 21 2011 17:39 Benjef wrote:
In one sense this is hurting esports. Korean teams are going to be much more fearful of sending their aces abroad now if they're just going to get poached by foreign teams.


Then their aces will quit and join more foreign teams, since they'd be precluded from taking part in events with massive prize pools.

This can only be a good thing for SC2, unless the Koreans decide to go turtle mode and react with an uber-protectionist organization like Kespa.
Not supporting teams who take robber baron money.
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