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I dont really know what to think about this.
The thing that bothers me more is that Puma was a promising super good player, and this could just be bad for his practice and deny us of a really good player. I mean If he stays in Korea he wont be in a teamhouse anymore, so its not optimal, and if he goes to the EG teamhouse, even if they work as hard as korean do, practicing with EG guys and practicing with TSL guys isnt the same :/
Of course hes gonna get money from EG, and from foreign tournaments (that said when you see the beasts that go to MLG, its not that sure  )
I dont really like this move but heh, what can we do about it. GL i guess 
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Beyonder
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With all these foreign pickups the GSTL might be gettign uninteresting T_T! They need to pay salary in Korea
Oh well, at least EG have 2 (real) good players now :o
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the coach wants to put some sort of system in place to prevent player sniping ???? wonder what he has in mind...id assume some sort of contract but that means salary's and other things.
regardless this news is crazy. so EG.Puma eh? just insane i wonder which foreign tourney he will crush first with his new tag?
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On July 21 2011 17:34 Defacer wrote:
I hope this motivates other Korean teams to more actively protect their players, and give them better benefits, pay and living conditions.
Since they're so good at spinning the whole "our culture is one of respect" angle when it suits their financial interests, I'm sure they won't do anything of the sort, and will instead form some sort of draconian cartel in the vein of Kespa, and just blacklist any player who does not kowtow to their rules.
And people here will defend it, because ethics respect team family blah blah blah.
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On July 21 2011 17:38 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:34 wats0n wrote:On July 21 2011 17:30 Fionn wrote:On July 21 2011 17:29 wats0n wrote:
The point about contracts isn't that Puma didn't have one. It's that he didn't break one. He didn't leave for EG while still under contract.
TSL has released him so you don't know that he would not have played out the contract. In my opinion, the only reason they release him is because the benefit of releasing him and saving face outweighs the probably short remaining time on his deal.
That they would rather publicly embarrass him than let him play out his deal is low class and I have no sympathy for them. Where do you get these facts? You're just making stuff up. Huh? Are you dense? It's right in the OP that TSL released him. What did I make up? If they wanted to enforce a contract they could have. Instead they released him. That's a fact, Jack. I'm pretty sure they released him because he wanted to be released.
Yeah. I mean, to be honest, it's the only thing they can really do. If someone doesn't want to play for your team, then he's not going to play for your team. You can't really force him into the booth and have him play his best. So they cut their losses and just fired him, basically. =__=
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On July 21 2011 17:35 Slakter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:34 Fionn wrote:On July 21 2011 17:33 Demonace34 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:31 ShiShKeBab wrote:On July 21 2011 17:28 Demonace34 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:26 ShiShKeBab wrote:
Now it hardly matters anymore that this was or was not an OK move by EG, it's going to harden Foreign - Korea relations, perhaps incidents will add upp until SC2 gets bad rep in Kor and it may remain an epiphenomenom in Korean Esports - this should be sad new for all who like to see SC2 endure the way SC has.
Besides if the teams become to unstable and just buy the best players left and right, then what will be the point in being a fan of a team. I'll keep supporting Idra, Incontrol and Demuslim but the only teams that i can support are those who have faith in their lineup and recruit promising up-and-coming players that can become legacy of the team. This is more like a free-agent than buying someone out. EG needed a good terran on their team for practice partners, they are just deepening their lineup. From what i've understood is that most players in KOR are technically free-agents right now as the teams can't give deals that motivate signing contracts Then KOR teams either need to move to another country for more tournaments and sponsors for their player or die due to a failing KOR market for SC2. How is the Korea market failing...? And yes, the Korean teams should move from where they are now. Genius. Starcraft 2 is teeny tiny in South Korea, compared to BW that is a failure any way you look at it.
Yeah but one would have hoped that the foreign schene might have provided a positive point that other games might not have had in the past, which MIGHT have made more Korean kids start playing..
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I'm pretty sure that TSL is just mad that one of their better players got taken and they didn't have a say in it. I wonder if they would have let Puma go if EG talked to the first.
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You know foreigner teams are desperate when they do whatever it takes to acquire a Code B player.
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On July 21 2011 17:38 wats0n wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:33 Cuddle wrote:
I don't understand how this is terrible by either Puma or EG.
I have a job, I'm contracted and have a salary. I get job offers by other companies every now and then, I talk to them about what they offer and when I find something I prefer to my current work situation (be it better pay, better work environment or what have you) I go tell my current boss that I have gotten a better offer and I resign my position. According to basic Swedish employee law (which is in my contract) I have to stay on for 3 month after quitting (to give my employee a chance to find a replacement) BUT we can negotiate this time down to 0 days if both parts agree.
It seems like this was exactly what happened in the Puma-EG case and I don't see anything wrong with it, at all. If TSL wanted to hold Puma to his contract, they could probably have and EG would have had to wait until it expired. They chose not to, in agreement with Puma. Case closed. This is 100% how I see it. Another thing I find interesting is that they're releasing him rather than letting his contract run its course. That's a very telling action. They've obviously judged that releasing him and publicly admonishing him is more beneficial to their position than letting him stay and finish the contract. They're feeding the Korean netizens bullshit just to save face and people are actually buying it.
wow reading between the lines a bit too much? i guess it's just opinion but that's quite an interpretation. i was thinking more, what's good in keeping puma and preventing him from leaving the team, when puma expressed his will that he wants to join EG?
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Woah okay okay LOL
They DIDNT get paid saleries until recently then, because FD and Tester were the only salleried players for the longest time.
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On July 21 2011 17:38 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:34 wats0n wrote:On July 21 2011 17:30 Fionn wrote:On July 21 2011 17:29 wats0n wrote:
The point about contracts isn't that Puma didn't have one. It's that he didn't break one. He didn't leave for EG while still under contract.
TSL has released him so you don't know that he would not have played out the contract. In my opinion, the only reason they release him is because the benefit of releasing him and saving face outweighs the probably short remaining time on his deal.
That they would rather publicly embarrass him than let him play out his deal is low class and I have no sympathy for them. Where do you get these facts? You're just making stuff up. Huh? Are you dense? It's right in the OP that TSL released him. What did I make up? If they wanted to enforce a contract they could have. Instead they released him. That's a fact, Jack. I'm pretty sure they released him because he wanted to be released.
That's speculation. Fact remains they have a contract and they can honor it. Puma didn't break the contract, TSL broke the contract because they're pissed he isn't re-signing. Sour grapes.
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Despite it reading "TSL releases Puma" from what it wounds like I think this went about in the wrong way. I just can't believe he didn't inform TSL about the decision until he got back to Korea, what an awkward position Coach Lee must have been put in.
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On July 21 2011 17:33 Cuddle wrote:
I don't understand how this is terrible by either Puma or EG.
I have a job, I'm contracted and have a salary. I get job offers by other companies every now and then, I talk to them about what they offer and when I find something I prefer to my current work situation (be it better pay, better work environment or what have you) I go tell my current boss that I have gotten a better offer and I resign my position. According to basic Swedish employee law (which is in my contract) I have to stay on for 3 month after quitting (to give my employee a chance to find a replacement) BUT we can negotiate this time down to 0 days if both parts agree.
It seems like this was exactly what happened in the Puma-EG case and I don't see anything wrong with it, at all. If TSL wanted to hold Puma to his contract, they could probably have and EG would have had to wait until it expired. They chose not to, in agreement with Puma. Case closed.
This is what I've been trying to say only not as well. Of course you could argue that it's a little different for sports but just for the reasons you wrote I can't understand the rage that are being directed at EG.
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On July 21 2011 17:38 wats0n wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:33 Cuddle wrote:
I don't understand how this is terrible by either Puma or EG.
I have a job, I'm contracted and have a salary. I get job offers by other companies every now and then, I talk to them about what they offer and when I find something I prefer to my current work situation (be it better pay, better work environment or what have you) I go tell my current boss that I have gotten a better offer and I resign my position. According to basic Swedish employee law (which is in my contract) I have to stay on for 3 month after quitting (to give my employee a chance to find a replacement) BUT we can negotiate this time down to 0 days if both parts agree.
It seems like this was exactly what happened in the Puma-EG case and I don't see anything wrong with it, at all. If TSL wanted to hold Puma to his contract, they could probably have and EG would have had to wait until it expired. They chose not to, in agreement with Puma. Case closed. This is 100% how I see it. Another thing I find interesting is that they're releasing him rather than letting his contract run its course. That's a very telling action. They've obviously judged that releasing him and publicly admonishing him is more beneficial to their position than letting him stay and finish the contract. They're feeding the Korean netizens bullshit just to save face and people are actually buying it.
Um, a player binded to a team purely by contract. You really think they'll have their mind set on performing well? TSL released him out of respect because whether or not TSL would have agreed with his decision Puma had already set his mind to what he wanted.
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On July 21 2011 17:31 Chaggi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:30 vojnik wrote:On July 21 2011 17:29 Fionn wrote:On July 21 2011 17:27 vojnik wrote:
i see many people are so naive and live in a fairy tale
if you think koreans wont do the same having the opurtunity EG had you are soooo wrong
DIMAGA was directly approached by Startale during World vs Korea games in GSL
Many people talk about Puma like he is an object or property, he was given an offer, the thought it trough and decided its a better step for his life and carrier, if there was some breach in contract there are LEGAL tools people can use instead of whining. Source please? Dimaga said that in an interview while he was in the GOM House link
http://www.justin.tv/kellymilkies/b/282628325
Go to 26 min. He doesnt really explain but take from it what you will.
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On July 21 2011 17:40 iamke55 wrote:
You know foreigner teams are desperate when they do whatever it takes to acquire a Code B player.
Approaching a player then proceeding to sign the player. EG had move mountains to get Puma!
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On July 21 2011 17:39 Benjef wrote:
In one sense this is hurting esports. Korean teams are going to be much more fearful of sending their aces abroad now if they're just going to get poached by foreign teams.
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On July 21 2011 17:40 iamke55 wrote:
You know foreigner teams are desperate when they do whatever it takes to acquire a Code B player.
Maybe, but that code B player beat some Code S players on the way to a $50,000 paycheck.
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I wonder whats gonna happen to Puma's skill level now that he lost his team house and (maybe) most of his practice partners.
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On July 21 2011 17:39 Benjef wrote:
In one sense this is hurting esports. Korean teams are going to be much more fearful of sending their aces abroad now if they're just going to get poached by foreign teams.
Koreans just need to find a way to get better sponsors more willing to send their players overseas. Startale seems to have done it. I think oGs is pretty good at it also, fOu is now FXO.
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