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dartoo
Profile Joined May 2010
India2889 Posts
July 21 2011 08:44 GMT
#1841
It would be cool, if siz.fantasy could do a thread on korean netizen reactions to this.

But I fail to see the point of approaching the management, when do you ever do that when your making an offer to someone working for another company?
DakkoNn
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia11 Posts
July 21 2011 08:44 GMT
#1842
it will be hard to cheer for Puma with the EG tag infront of his name
Jacko11
Profile Joined November 2010
China146 Posts
July 21 2011 08:45 GMT
#1843
Poor TSL, Puma was the only strong player on the team. Its left to Killer now to keep the team afloat.
ComTrav
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1093 Posts
July 21 2011 08:45 GMT
#1844
On July 21 2011 17:42 Tachion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 17:40 iamke55 wrote:
You know foreigner teams are desperate when they do whatever it takes to acquire a Code B player.

as if code B was bad? Where do you think players like dongraegu are?


The fact that so many great players (like DRG) are Code B sorta proves that the current system for entrance is flawed. It's SOOO HARD to get into Code A, and even in Code A you don't really get much of anything except for a shot at Code S.

There's more money to be made in the foreign scene, rather from smaller tournaments or streaming or coaching or what-have-you.
DigitalisDestructi
Profile Joined November 2010
United States488 Posts
July 21 2011 08:45 GMT
#1845
On July 21 2011 17:40 wats0n wrote:
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On July 21 2011 17:38 pdd wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:34 wats0n wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:30 Fionn wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:29 wats0n wrote:
The point about contracts isn't that Puma didn't have one. It's that he didn't break one. He didn't leave for EG while still under contract.

TSL has released him so you don't know that he would not have played out the contract. In my opinion, the only reason they release him is because the benefit of releasing him and saving face outweighs the probably short remaining time on his deal.

That they would rather publicly embarrass him than let him play out his deal is low class and I have no sympathy for them.


Where do you get these facts? You're just making stuff up.


Huh? Are you dense? It's right in the OP that TSL released him. What did I make up?

If they wanted to enforce a contract they could have. Instead they released him. That's a fact, Jack.

I'm pretty sure they released him because he wanted to be released.


That's speculation. Fact remains they have a contract and they can honor it. Puma didn't break the contract, TSL broke the contract because they're pissed he isn't re-signing. Sour grapes.

So... his "I'm pretty sure they released him because he wanted to be released" is a speculation, but your "...that they would rather publicly embarrass him than let him play out his deal is low class..." is a fact? Not exactly a verified information, is it?
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Mioraka
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada1353 Posts
July 21 2011 08:45 GMT
#1846
On July 21 2011 17:37 seiferoth10 wrote:
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On July 21 2011 17:33 Cuddle wrote:
I don't understand how this is terrible by either Puma or EG.

I have a job, I'm contracted and have a salary. I get job offers by other companies every now and then, I talk to them about what they offer and when I find something I prefer to my current work situation (be it better pay, better work environment or what have you) I go tell my current boss that I have gotten a better offer and I resign my position. According to basic Swedish employee law (which is in my contract) I have to stay on for 3 month after quitting (to give my employee a chance to find a replacement) BUT we can negotiate this time down to 0 days if both parts agree.

It seems like this was exactly what happened in the Puma-EG case and I don't see anything wrong with it, at all. If TSL wanted to hold Puma to his contract, they could probably have and EG would have had to wait until it expired. They chose not to, in agreement with Puma. Case closed.

Oh thank god, someone with a brain. You are a rare breed.


I wouldn't say that's a fair comparison.

The relationship between a progamer and his coach is not the same relationship between a employee and a employer.

The more fair comparison is the relationship between a celerity and his manager. And in celerity world if you take some celerity without talking to his manager, it's considered stealing, not legally, but ethically.

Besides, progamer culture is different, they live in the same house as the coach, the team feeds them and takes care of them, when they go to foreign events the manager goes with them to take care of everything else other than gaming.

And if some other guy approached player without contacting the coach/manager. That's pretty unethical.
zerglingsfolife
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1694 Posts
July 21 2011 08:45 GMT
#1847
On July 21 2011 17:44 manicshock wrote:
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On July 21 2011 17:37 nam nam wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:34 manicshock wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:31 zerglingsfolife wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:31 Namu wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:30 vojnik wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:29 Fionn wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:27 vojnik wrote:
i see many people are so naive and live in a fairy tale
if you think koreans wont do the same having the opurtunity EG had you are soooo wrong

DIMAGA was directly approached by Startale during World vs Korea games in GSL

Many people talk about Puma like he is an object or property, he was given an offer, the thought it trough and decided its a better step for his life and carrier, if there was some breach in contract there are LEGAL tools people can use instead of whining.


Source please?


Dimaga said that in an interview while he was in the GOM House


so uh source please? you saying he said something is not source you know


He said it, it might be in kelly milkis justin tv channel in an old vod.


There's proof of life on other planets. It's true, just look in that giant dusty library that's deep underground that may exist you just have to look for it. I'll let you do the digging though.


Do you only say stuff that you have evidence off close at hand?


I swallow my own words. I thought he was going to leave it at that, and not bother finding the VOD.


I was going to post it myself, but then you decided to be an asshole.

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Profile Joined June 2011
Canada129 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 08:46:17
July 21 2011 08:45 GMT
#1848
On July 21 2011 17:44 DakkoNn wrote:
it will be hard to cheer for Puma with the EG tag infront of his name

EG is my favorite foreigner team. x) I will find it pretty easy.

edit: on an unrelated note.... I miss roooot ;-;
Huge EG Fan Right Here ^
trikshun
Profile Joined October 2010
United States437 Posts
July 21 2011 08:45 GMT
#1849
On July 21 2011 17:43 Beyonder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 17:40 iamke55 wrote:
You know foreigner teams are desperate when they do whatever it takes to acquire a Code B player.

Well, most eg players arent that good :x understandable that they do this

Considering DeMuslim god a wrist injury, Incontrol just quit NASL a few weeks back LZ switches to zerg and Machine really never practiced. When this EG house goes up and running EG will do work
manicshock
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada741 Posts
July 21 2011 08:46 GMT
#1850
On July 21 2011 17:45 zerglingsfolife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 17:44 manicshock wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:37 nam nam wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:34 manicshock wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:31 zerglingsfolife wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:31 Namu wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:30 vojnik wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:29 Fionn wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:27 vojnik wrote:
i see many people are so naive and live in a fairy tale
if you think koreans wont do the same having the opurtunity EG had you are soooo wrong

DIMAGA was directly approached by Startale during World vs Korea games in GSL

Many people talk about Puma like he is an object or property, he was given an offer, the thought it trough and decided its a better step for his life and carrier, if there was some breach in contract there are LEGAL tools people can use instead of whining.


Source please?


Dimaga said that in an interview while he was in the GOM House


so uh source please? you saying he said something is not source you know


He said it, it might be in kelly milkis justin tv channel in an old vod.


There's proof of life on other planets. It's true, just look in that giant dusty library that's deep underground that may exist you just have to look for it. I'll let you do the digging though.


Do you only say stuff that you have evidence off close at hand?


I swallow my own words. I thought he was going to leave it at that, and not bother finding the VOD.


I was going to post it myself, but then you decided to be an asshole.


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Never argue with an idiot. They will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
AntiGrav1ty
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2310 Posts
July 21 2011 08:46 GMT
#1851
On July 21 2011 17:33 Cuddle wrote:
I don't understand how this is terrible by either Puma or EG.

I have a job, I'm contracted and have a salary. I get job offers by other companies every now and then, I talk to them about what they offer and when I find something I prefer to my current work situation (be it better pay, better work environment or what have you) I go tell my current boss that I have gotten a better offer and I resign my position. According to basic Swedish employee law (which is in my contract) I have to stay on for 3 month after quitting (to give my employee a chance to find a replacement) BUT we can negotiate this time down to 0 days if both parts agree.

It seems like this was exactly what happened in the Puma-EG case and I don't see anything wrong with it, at all. If TSL wanted to hold Puma to his contract, they could probably have and EG would have had to wait until it expired. They chose not to, in agreement with Puma. Case closed.


Read this and stop bitchin y'all. I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would make a big deal out of this at all.
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qck
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom201 Posts
July 21 2011 08:46 GMT
#1852
1317 characters in the original post.
1841 replies (as I type this) to the original post.

Really, TL?
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babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
July 21 2011 08:46 GMT
#1853
Well, if one thing's for sure, i really hope EG makes Puma stream.

I mean, I hate this move as much as the next person, but at least let's get something good out of it, right? =/
Blitz Beat
Profile Joined May 2011
United States178 Posts
July 21 2011 08:46 GMT
#1854
I wish GOM took a more proactive stance on helping teams get financial assistance or in touch with some sponsors. Instead, teams are sort of fending for themselves and left to deal with stuff like this.

Sort of makes me wish Kespa took the reigns on starcraft 2.
android_245
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia103 Posts
July 21 2011 08:46 GMT
#1855
I think another element that is missing from this story is Puma's motives. Why would he join a foreign team which involves him potentially leaving his home country and living and adapt in a new country? Does he not realize or is not aware of the foreign playing environment which may impact on his capability to improve (lesser practice partners, etc.).

This gives me the impression the salary EG is offering to Puma has a huge impact that caused him to make such a radically decision. This also gives me the impression Puma is more interested in money rather than improving (this is just my opinion).
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 08:47:26
July 21 2011 08:46 GMT
#1856
These sorts of transfers happen all the time. Stop creating drama.

People get job offers all the time without their bosses or coaches first getting to know about it. I dont understand the fuss.

But unfortunately this is bad for Puma as a player. Look at his practice partners in EG compared to TSL. Besides Idra, which imo isnt at the level of many of the current GSL players, there is nobody nameworthy.
yeint
Profile Joined May 2011
Estonia2329 Posts
July 21 2011 08:46 GMT
#1857
On July 21 2011 17:41 brachester wrote:Coach lee respect his players wishes and let him go.


Not before publicly crucifying him and making himself the victim.

The only unprofessionalism that's been shown so far is that. Regardless of the details, if you respect a person, the public face of the end of your professional relationship should be amicable.
Not supporting teams who take robber baron money.
Demonace34
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2493 Posts
July 21 2011 08:47 GMT
#1858
On July 21 2011 17:44 Gamegene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 17:40 wats0n wrote:
That's speculation. Fact remains they have a contract and they can honor it. Puma didn't break the contract, TSL broke the contract because they're pissed he isn't re-signing. Sour grapes.


I doubt any team would want to keep a player who basically told them:

"I'm leaving because they offered a briefcase of money. I don't respect the rest of my teammates or any of the bonds I share enough to actually tell you of their offer before I made the decision on my own."


Yeah I can't believe a player of his caliber would want to travel to a place with more tournaments, more stability and more money. Hell, maybe as a child PuMa wanted to come to the United States and travel around. He just won a tournament and likes what EG has to offer, god forbid.
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SourD
Profile Joined February 2011
United States81 Posts
July 21 2011 08:47 GMT
#1859
playxp.com article about player's contract

Playxp.com has posted article about this.

altho it doesnt speak directly of this matter, they say that CURRENTLY NOBODY HAS CONTRACT BETWEEN TEAM AND PLAYERS.

making a move like this possible.
DigitalisDestructi
Profile Joined November 2010
United States488 Posts
July 21 2011 08:47 GMT
#1860
On July 21 2011 17:39 Benjef wrote:
In one sense this is hurting esports. Korean teams are going to be much more fearful of sending their aces abroad now if they're just going to get poached by foreign teams.

Perhaps they will send even more Koreans abroad to take all the foreigners' money as a revenge!
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