EPTPuma leaves TSL for EG - Page 89
| Forum Index > SC2 General |
|
manicshock
Canada741 Posts
| ||
|
IcedBacon
Canada906 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:32 enecateReAP wrote: Awesome news! I don't see why people are getting butt-hurt? You wanted koreans in the foreigner scene forever...and now we're getting them? TSL do NOT pay salleries, FD and Tester were the only salleried players. If a player, wants to leave an organisation in which he puts 10 hours a day in...for virtually the CHANCE to make a living, would rather give that up to make a stable living, then that is perfectly fine by me. EG asked him if he wanted to join, I don't see the big deal, Puma obviously wanted to join a foreigner team. OrangeMilkis Wooju Lee Dug up the news article where TSL announced they're giving players salaries. They have salaries for ALL the players. Contract? Yes/No? 7 minutes ago Wrong. | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:33 Demonace34 wrote: Then KOR teams either need to move to another country for more tournaments and sponsors for their player or die due to a failing KOR market for SC2. How is the Korea market failing...? And yes, the Korean teams should move from where they are now. Genius. | ||
|
Switchy
343 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:30 echO [W] wrote: In this case, we do not know what "approached by Startale" means. Was it just Startale going, hey DIMAGA, interested in playing for us? Or did they offer him a contract/deal without going through mTw management. I think, and I believe Xeris posted, that it's fine to ask if players have interest in playing for you. But offering them a contract/deal behind their managers/coaches backs is a whole other issue. Nothing wrong with offering terms, they would still have to come to an agreement with the players current team though. | ||
|
setzer
United States3284 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:28 Stuv wrote: It makes you wonder what EG gets from this deal. I dont think he will live with the other EG-members so they have an extra practice partner. So it is purely for promotion during tournaments. He is a great player though so kudo's to EG. They want to fly Puma and have him win tournaments since no one else besides Idra is capable of doing that. | ||
|
Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:23 kobrakai wrote: I don't know how sports transfers happen in the US but in Europe (in football), you have to make a formal approach to the club, not the player, after talking to the club and if the clubs can came to an arrangement the club after the player is then allowed to talk to the player about salary, length of contract etc.... Not talk to player, don't bother talking to management of said player (if that is indeed what happened). So no its not completely normal in sports. You should what manager over here say if an opposition manager even mentions one of their players.... See Wenger and all the drama surrounding Nasri You're right -- professional sports is such a small world, that it's usually a professional courtesy to for a team to request permission to speak to a player, executive or manager that they are interested in. Could EG have handled it better? Maybe. But if TSL payed their players -- hell, if the Korean business model of e-sports made more sense -- they wouldn't even been in the situation where a high caliber player would entertain an offer from a foreign team. I hope this motivates other Korean teams to more actively protect their players, and give them better benefits, pay and living conditions. | ||
|
Grettin
42381 Posts
| ||
|
Mithriel
Netherlands2969 Posts
| ||
|
nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:30 echO [W] wrote: In this case, we do not know what "approached by Startale" means. Was it just Startale going, hey DIMAGA, interested in playing for us? Or did they offer him a contract/deal without going through mTw management. I think, and I believe Xeris posted, that it's fine to ask if players have interest in playing for you. But offering them a contract/deal behind their managers/coaches backs is a whole other issue. This happens in the regular working world all the time. A company approach a person they want and offer him a deal. The sports would can work a little different but usually it's set in the rules to create a fair "playing ground." All this talk about respect and class is just silly. | ||
|
Shewklad
Sweden482 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:32 Jiddra wrote: Like the global perspective and not just the korean? Ok Are you kidding me?! No, not JUST THE KOREAN, read what I just wrote for fuck sake. ALL PARTS. I didn't say ONLY bad things comes out from this, but I think it's incorrect to say that it's ONLY good things. (Sorry for my use of caps, I just have to make myself clear after repeating myself 4 times) | ||
|
wats0n
United States509 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:30 Fionn wrote: Where do you get these facts? You're just making stuff up. Huh? Are you dense? It's right in the OP that TSL released him. What did I make up? If they wanted to enforce a contract they could have. Instead they released him. That's a fact, Jack. | ||
|
Slakter
Sweden1947 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:34 Fionn wrote: How is the Korea market failing...? And yes, the Korean teams should move from where they are now. Genius. Starcraft 2 is teeny tiny in South Korea, compared to BW that is a failure any way you look at it. | ||
|
crappen
Norway1546 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:23 Angelbelow wrote: Lol... is that legitimately how you feel? You feel like this is a proper comparison? If your gf goes to another country... hahah wow... Alrite I'm going to indulge you on this. If your GF goes to another country, gets approached and offered a position as GF with another man AND she accepts, you probably deserved it. Lol, its the other way around. If she accepts, he probably should be glad he got rid of such a girl. I think we should approach this in a good manner. EG needs to show some respect to another culture, adapting and take care of their reputation as a respectable and honest team. Kind of dont go hand in hand with Idra so what the hell, great move EG :D | ||
|
MonkSEA
Australia1227 Posts
| ||
|
CellTech
Canada396 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:29 BookII wrote: I am so incredibly torn in this thread. I can see how there is so much debate. On the one hand it certainly seems unethical or disrespectful or EG to go behind the back of TSL management and work out a deal with Puma when he was over here. Especially if he was on contract. But on the other hand, perhaps It isn't foul play if it is what the player wants. There's a lot of name calling but the thread hasn't really convinced me of either side yet. Although I do feel sympathy for TSL. There should be some sort of contractual obligation. It's not like the Toronto Raptors General Manager can approach Kobe Bryant in a parking garage and offer him double. | ||
|
Skullflower
United States3779 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:32 enecateReAP wrote: Awesome news! I don't see why people are getting butt-hurt? You wanted koreans in the foreigner scene forever...and now we're getting them? TSL do NOT pay salleries, FD and Tester were the only salleried players. If a player, wants to leave an organisation in which he puts 10 hours a day in...for virtually the CHANCE to make a living, would rather give that up to make a stable living, then that is perfectly fine by me. EG asked him if he wanted to join, I don't see the big deal, Puma obviously wanted to join a foreigner team. TSL salaried all the players. FD and Tester just made the most. | ||
|
Shaetan
United States1175 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:19 PHC wrote: Gamescon isn't for another month. Did you mean 2nd at Gamescon NA qualifier? Last year to Morrow | ||
|
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:34 wats0n wrote: Huh? Are you dense? It's right in the OP that TSL released him. What did I make up? If they wanted to enforce a contract they could have. Instead they released him. That's a fact, Jack. You said he didn't have a contract when there is more evidence showing he did than he did not. | ||
|
Poopi
France12883 Posts
| ||
|
vojnik
Macedonia923 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:33 vojnik wrote: I dont have the link, dont know how to find it really but it was an interview conducted by Kelly and Doa on a stream after Dimaga won vs Nestea in the GOM house, it was with all the players. Dimaga said that he was not interested because he didnt want to leave his girlfriend and family (because they asked him to move to korea) I will try and search for the video, was a long time ago http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=206059 its somewhere inside those vods, dont know the exact time in the video but if you are that interested you can watch them | ||
| ||
