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wats0n
United States509 Posts
TSL has released him so you don't know that he would not have played out the contract. In my opinion, the only reason they release him is because the benefit of releasing him and saving face outweighs the probably short remaining time on his deal. That they would rather publicly embarrass him than let him play out his deal is low class and I have no sympathy for them. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:26 MrSexington wrote: Oh snap, SirScoots is officially on the clock. lol. (Seriously, it's the middle of the night. I wouldn't read too much into it if no official statements were released until tomorrow morning.) Plus Scoots probably isn't the one that will handle the press release or the anouncement. It will be Alex most likely. | ||
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IceSlipper
Australia1028 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:28 Lifter wrote: IceSlipper, you clearly lack any form of humor. Please remove yourself from this thread Oh its me who needs to chill out right! Relax bro | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:27 vojnik wrote: i see many people are so naive and live in a fairy tale if you think koreans wont do the same having the opurtunity EG had you are soooo wrong DIMAGA was directly approached by Startale during World vs Korea games in GSL Many people talk about Puma like he is an object or property, he was given an offer, the thought it trough and decided its a better step for his life and carrier, if there was some breach in contract there are LEGAL tools people can use instead of whining. Source please? | ||
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BookII
Australia400 Posts
On the one hand it certainly seems unethical or disrespectful or EG to go behind the back of TSL management and work out a deal with Puma when he was over here. Especially if he was on contract. But on the other hand, perhaps It isn't foul play if it is what the player wants. There's a lot of name calling but the thread hasn't really convinced me of either side yet. Although I do feel sympathy for TSL. | ||
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Namu
United States826 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:28 Lifter wrote: IceSlipper, you clearly lack any form of humor. Please remove yourself from this thread yeah you definitely need humor to participate in a discussion! | ||
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Reasonable
Ukraine1432 Posts
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manicshock
Canada741 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:09 zeru wrote: You are wrong, that's what makes it fanboyism when you state incorrect things as facts. Idra does not have better results than other foreigners. He may have good results, but thats about it. Sjow, jinro, whitera, naniwa, fenix all have better and more impressive results, hell even thorzain. Jinro has 2 Ro4s, and since winning against Polt nothing. Dropped off the face of the earth. Fenix, what? Only major thing he's won is IEM america back in like september and 3rd in the first Dreamhack. Sjow hasn't really stomped face and been average since about January when he won IEM. White Ra, Naniwa and Thorzain all are top foreigners anyways. White Ra and Naniwa since like the dawn of time (although TSL3 + MLG helped Naniwa/his change in attitude and not getting kicked off teams and White Ra was around January since he and Sjow were both eating T at that point), Thorzain since TSL3 put him on the map. Overall, I wouldn't call IdrA the best foreigner, but he's easily up there and has been holding his own since IPL season 1. In recent major tournaments, he's been losing generally to players who are either on a hot streak or korean/trained (MC, Huk, MMA, Tarson, SaSe). Went deep in MLG, tied to get knocked out in group stages at Dreamhack in a competitive group, did well in Homestory Cup. | ||
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:29 wats0n wrote: The point about contracts isn't that Puma didn't have one. It's that he didn't break one. He didn't leave for EG while still under contract. TSL has released him so you don't know that he would not have played out the contract. In my opinion, the only reason they release him is because the benefit of releasing him and saving face outweighs the probably short remaining time on his deal. That they would rather publicly embarrass him than let him play out his deal is low class and I have no sympathy for them. Where do you get these facts? You're just making stuff up. | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:26 hazelynut wrote: With all due respect, I hope this happens to you someday. I don't think any one party deserves the blame. People are getting hurt and it's a mixed bag as to who's to blame...if a man seduces your girlfriend, your girlfriend shows a moment of weakness, and you take her for granted, well, everyone's doing something a little wrong. Thats the point im trying to make. He blamed everything on EGs end. I'm saying the TSL is responsible as well. As is Puma. Theres multiple sides to this story and most of the butthurt fans are focusing just on EG. Its funny to me, as is his analogy. | ||
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vojnik
Macedonia923 Posts
Dimaga said that in an interview while he was in the GOM House | ||
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echO [W]
United States1495 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:27 vojnik wrote: i see many people are so naive and live in a fairy tale if you think koreans wont do the same having the opurtunity EG had you are soooo wrong DIMAGA was directly approached by Startale during World vs Korea games in GSL Many people talk about Puma like he is an object or property, he was given an offer, the thought it trough and decided its a better step for his life and carrier, if there was some breach in contract there are LEGAL tools people can use instead of whining. In this case, we do not know what "approached by Startale" means. Was it just Startale going, hey DIMAGA, interested in playing for us? Or did they offer him a contract/deal without going through mTw management. I think, and I believe Xeris posted, that it's fine to ask if players have interest in playing for you. But offering them a contract/deal behind their managers/coaches backs is a whole other issue. | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
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Skaya
United States126 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:16 Gamegene wrote: Because it's not professional. They basically went up to Puma behind the team's back, while he was 3000 miles away from his coach, and flashed a bunch of money into his face. If they wanted, they could have started an arrangement like SK did with NaDa and MC, you know, actually talking to the management of TSL. Don't buy Intel, Steelseries, Monster, Kingston products. for every one of these product you don't buy, I'll buy three. But really though, so many people here taking this personally as if it affects their integrity or something. PuMa made a decision, be it good or bad, and his previous coach is pissed off. Don't start the stoning before we've seen the magic. In other words, it's petty to argue about this with such little information, and even when(if) the whole story is known, you all will be offended because it insulted your internet morality that a foreign team picked up a korean player and the PLAYER decided in which way he left the house. this seems very similar to the korean pride flaunt that was expressed in a gom associate's post about foreigners being frightened to go to GSL code a for placing high in MLG. Based on how PuMa is described leaving the house, i would say it's fairly safe to say he didn't return the feelings of being "raised" by the team coach. | ||
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OSTL
United States7 Posts
nestea, ryung, guineapig, mma, zenio, top, alive, alicia, fenix, gumiho, trickster, curious, maka, inca, san, july , revival, ace, hack, sc, clide, fruitdealer, genius, check, anypro, supernova, ganzi, byun, seed, rainbow, keen, virus, tiger, true Anyway, on the subject at hand, it always leaves a bad taste in my mouth when something like this happens in any profession. I have lost some respect for EG and Puma today. | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:26 Chaggi wrote: It's called respect. You know, it's kinda important when a community is relatively young without any real structure. They respected Puma by offering him a good contract. | ||
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Shewklad
Sweden482 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:27 Jiddra wrote: You are missing the point. TSL was loosing player left and right, how they would only be able to survive beacuse of Puma is just bullshit fanboys talk. They will make it or die, like in any economi. Shit just got real, Puma will do good things for EG for a long time to come, just look at their rooster now. And if we get more regulation and rules about how proffesional SC2 teams, players and tournaments should be organisated globaly it is all for the better. EG is just the first to truly test the global player market. I'm not missing any point, I fully understand "Only good things can come ot of this deal" - MY point is that you can't look at it that one sided, you have to take all parts into consideration. | ||
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Sideburn
United States442 Posts
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:30 vojnik wrote: Dimaga said that in an interview while he was in the GOM House link | ||
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Namu
United States826 Posts
On July 21 2011 17:30 vojnik wrote: Dimaga said that in an interview while he was in the GOM House so uh source please? you saying he said something is not source you know | ||
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