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taLbuk
Profile Joined April 2010
Madagascar1879 Posts
July 21 2011 08:27 GMT
#1701
On July 21 2011 17:25 IcedBacon wrote:
So sirscoots has taken an hour and counting to write up a simple statement detailing what happened with the deal. That says a lot.


or maybe he's writing a formal press release?
bloken
Profile Joined June 2011
22 Posts
July 21 2011 08:27 GMT
#1702
On July 21 2011 17:12 MayorITC wrote:
It's not "Korean culture" to contact the manager/coach first. It's global etiquette. Or at least that's how it is in the three cultures I grew up in: Korea, Canada and the US.

While the entire truth is unknown, the TSL coach makes it clear that he feels that PuMa was poached by EG. Sure, you might see more of Puma at foreign events, but this is by no means a progressive step for foreign-Korean relationships in SC2. If anything, Korean teams will be hesitant to have their players participate in future foreign events since this all went down after NASL.



Personally i don't like the term poaching. Yes it might be true that EG didn't contact TSL management first, however maybe they wanted to talk/confront the player first before the team/management played their hand to puma. This whole etiquette thing is bullshit too. At the end of the day it's the players choice. TSL clearly couldn't keep puma (matching/bettering EG's offer).

It maybe seen as disrespectful to TSL but it's done ALL the time in other sports around the world. Aggressive bids for players has been around for many years and it's not EG's fault that another team goes and has a cry about their tactics to gain a player. TSL is like "OHH shit you just won a major tournament, guess we didn't figure you were worth that much".
Shameless
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands349 Posts
July 21 2011 08:27 GMT
#1703
wOOt, wish this had been know somewhere around djWHEAT's LO3, that probably could have triggered some more bonus time and epicness, well there's always next week
Liquid'HuK "That's Halo, don't worry"
ComTrav
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1093 Posts
July 21 2011 08:27 GMT
#1704
I wonder what other players might do this...what other players attend lots of foreign tournaments...


maybe one that begins with 'o' and ends with 'gsMC'?
XiGua
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden3085 Posts
July 21 2011 08:27 GMT
#1705
On July 21 2011 17:25 VashTS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 15:04 MrCon wrote:
Perhaps EG will manage to make an average player of Puma xD

rofl


I'm not getting the "F5" reference. I know on a Keyboard it's "refresh" but I don't understand the hidden meaning?

On topic, PuMa and IdrA will make SICK training partners for each other. I expect to see IdrA's TvZ improve -even more- and perhaps using some sick drop play of his own.


On July 21 2011 15:01 sTsCompleted wrote:
whhhatttt?

waiting for the news to be "updated."

For those of you who arrived late:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 15:00 Milkis wrote:
news being updated.



It was just that the news had not been updated yet and all people knew was that Puma was going to EG and leaving TSL. Thus the F5, constant refresh to see the updated news.
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Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
July 21 2011 08:27 GMT
#1706
On July 21 2011 17:19 Shewklad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 17:18 Jiddra wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:16 Shewklad wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:13 Jiddra wrote:
Puma leaves a TSL that is falling apart, the Koreans get to feel how it really is to want a GLOBAL star league and not only a "Korean takes foreign money while everyone else is watching".

Time to wake up Korea, shit just got real in the global economi. Will be very interesting to see what will come out of this. There has already been some talks in sweden about the need for some sort of global orgaisation for shit like this to get sorted out.

Now the koreans might also push in that direction, only good things can come out of this deal, and we haven't even heard EGs side of it yet.




Are you serious? Have you read none of the other posts in this thread? And I assume you don't take TSL into consideration when saying that.


What is so wrong?


You don't think TSL thinks this is a bad thing? You do think that Puma will get the same training with EG as he did in the TSL house? And all the countless other things that have already been posted in this thread.


You are missing the point. TSL was loosing player left and right, how they would only be able to survive beacuse of Puma is just bullshit fanboys talk. They will make it or die, like in any economi.

Shit just got real, Puma will do good things for EG for a long time to come, just look at their rooster now.

And if we get more regulation and rules about how proffesional SC2 teams, players and tournaments should be organisated globaly it is all for the better.

EG is just the first to truly test the global player market.
I am not young enough to know everything.
Ansalem
Profile Joined November 2010
564 Posts
July 21 2011 08:27 GMT
#1707
On July 21 2011 17:25 IcedBacon wrote:
So sirscoots has taken an hour and counting to write up a simple statement detailing what happened with the deal. That says a lot.


They don't want to write a statement on TL saying "no, x happened." They want to make a press release about adding a player to their roster on their website and add it also sites like TL. These usually include pictures and interviews with the new member and staff. I'm pretty sure it doesn't "say a lot" that there hasn't been a release yet.
LlamaNamedOsama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1900 Posts
July 21 2011 08:27 GMT
#1708
I think people are misunderstanding both sides in the "why does it matter/zomg EG/Puma sux!!!" sides, particularly with the girlfriend leaving example. The point is that it's not illegal, that it's a competitive arena, and like in all free market enterprises, it can happen. There is, though, as sense of betrayal, of sketchiness in the deal. There is nothing legally wrong or absolutely wrong - instead, it produces a more subjective feeling of wrong that is up for each person to relate to, and this happens all the time in regular sports. For anyone who follows basketball, look at Lebron James/the Mavericks...
Dario Wünsch: I guess...Creator...met his maker *sunglasses*
FryktSkyene
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1327 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 08:29:15
July 21 2011 08:28 GMT
#1709
On July 21 2011 17:24 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 17:19 FryktSkyene wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:18 Defacer wrote:
It's a shame that TSL lost their ace player.

At the same time, a contract with a player is meaningless if it has no value attached to it. Is it really true that Puma didn't make a salary? If that's the case, how much loyalty could TSL reasonably expect? And who would blame EG for making an offer on an obviously excellent player with nothing to lose and everything to gain?

FXO just bought a whole team, essentially. Not many people are boo-hooing that.

Trying to acquire the best players happens regularly in professional sports.




Your stupid.

Fou reached out to Fxo to sponser them.


/your post



True enough. So FXO is sponsoring Fou.

No explain to me what the big deal is with EG essentially offering a great player a job?

If an another employer offered you a substantial raise to work for them, are you or this prospective employer obligated in anyway to contact you?

Not really.

/yourself.



The lack of respect is the problem. (For me anyway) It's fine EG offered him something better, but from what i've read on here from Milkis quotes are that it's disrespectful to NOT talk to a manager/coach w/e.

Which..they did not do (As far as we know...and if they did i'm sure they would have said something, which they have not)

Edit: Maybe because EG is an American team and I'm from America I hold them to a higher standard on being respectful to other countries?
Snitches get stiches
Demonace34
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2493 Posts
July 21 2011 08:28 GMT
#1710
On July 21 2011 17:26 ShiShKeBab wrote:
Now it hardly matters anymore that this was or was not an OK move by EG, it's going to harden Foreign - Korea relations, perhaps incidents will add upp until SC2 gets bad rep in Kor and it may remain an epiphenomenom in Korean Esports - this should be sad new for all who like to see SC2 endure the way SC has.

Besides if the teams become to unstable and just buy the best players left and right, then what will be the point in being a fan of a team. I'll keep supporting Idra, Incontrol and Demuslim but the only teams that i can support are those who have faith in their lineup and recruit promising up-and-coming players that can become legacy of the team.


This is more like a free-agent than buying someone out. EG needed a good terran on their team for practice partners, they are just deepening their lineup.
NaNiwa|IdrA|HuK|iNcontroL|Jinro|NonY|Day[9]|PuMa|HerO|MMA|NesTea|NaDa|Boxer|Ryung|
MrSexington
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1768 Posts
July 21 2011 08:28 GMT
#1711
On July 21 2011 17:27 taLbuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 17:25 IcedBacon wrote:
So sirscoots has taken an hour and counting to write up a simple statement detailing what happened with the deal. That says a lot.


or maybe he's writing a formal press release?


But that doesn't fit into my conspiracy theory. That can't be right...
IcedBacon
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada906 Posts
July 21 2011 08:28 GMT
#1712
On July 21 2011 17:26 MrSexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 17:25 IcedBacon wrote:
So sirscoots has taken an hour and counting to write up a simple statement detailing what happened with the deal. That says a lot.


Oh snap, SirScoots is officially on the clock.

lol.

(Seriously, it's the middle of the night. I wouldn't read too much into it if no official statements were released until tomorrow morning.)


He's made two tweets since then, he's awake and clearly aware of the shitstorm that's occurring. It would be idiotic if he's not working to do something about it.
"I went Zerg because Artosis is a douchebag." -IdrA
Ramble
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden877 Posts
July 21 2011 08:28 GMT
#1713
Does anyone know if Puma is going to try and enter the GSL anymore? Or will he fly over to the EG house?
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
July 21 2011 08:28 GMT
#1714
On July 21 2011 17:25 IcedBacon wrote:
So sirscoots has taken an hour and counting to write up a simple statement detailing what happened with the deal. That says a lot.


i think he's too busy reading this thread and shaking his head in dismay at the overwhelming response from the community.

that or his keyboard broke and he's buying a new one so it's taking a while.
Lifter
Profile Joined April 2011
United States126 Posts
July 21 2011 08:28 GMT
#1715
On July 21 2011 17:25 iba001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 17:23 IceSlipper wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:21 iba001 wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:08 IceSlipper wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:07 Lifter wrote:
Chinese thought the same thing about Bruce Lee when he taught foreigners how to fight...

LOL they thought foreigners were disgusting for signing a contracted teacher? ahaha so far off the mark


bruce lee taught secrets of the fist to those who were not worthy.
puma will teach secrets of the mouse to those who are not worthy.

therefore, puma = bruce lee.

:b


except puma was under a contract with another team before signing with eg.. bruce lee was under no obligation to teach anyone at all.. and certainly wasnt in a contract that involved him exclusively teaching 'those who were worthy'


lol dude i was just kidding around.

chill out.


IceSlipper, you clearly lack any form of humor. Please remove yourself from this thread
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
July 21 2011 08:28 GMT
#1716
On July 21 2011 17:27 Ansalem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 17:25 IcedBacon wrote:
So sirscoots has taken an hour and counting to write up a simple statement detailing what happened with the deal. That says a lot.


They don't want to write a statement on TL saying "no, x happened." They want to make a press release about adding a player to their roster on their website and add it also sites like TL. These usually include pictures and interviews with the new member and staff. I'm pretty sure it doesn't "say a lot" that there hasn't been a release yet.

Scoots would probably want to talk to Alex about it first as well to gather some facts. Whether he'd do that this late at night, I have no idea. Might not get something till tomorrow.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Stuv
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Netherlands942 Posts
July 21 2011 08:28 GMT
#1717
It makes you wonder what EG gets from this deal. I dont think he will live with the other EG-members so they have an extra practice partner. So it is purely for promotion during tournaments. He is a great player though so kudo's to EG.
IceSlipper
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Australia1028 Posts
July 21 2011 08:28 GMT
#1718
On July 21 2011 17:26 iba001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 17:25 IceSlipper wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:25 iba001 wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:23 IceSlipper wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:21 iba001 wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:08 IceSlipper wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:07 Lifter wrote:
Chinese thought the same thing about Bruce Lee when he taught foreigners how to fight...

LOL they thought foreigners were disgusting for signing a contracted teacher? ahaha so far off the mark


bruce lee taught secrets of the fist to those who were not worthy.
puma will teach secrets of the mouse to those who are not worthy.

therefore, puma = bruce lee.

:b


except puma was under a contract with another team before signing with eg.. bruce lee was under no obligation to teach anyone at all.. and certainly wasnt in a contract that involved him exclusively teaching 'those who were worthy'


lol dude i was just kidding around.

chill out.

i know..


really? it doesn't seem that you did?

anyway it doesnt matter.

lol, you made a post that entertained the idea of the original posted quote being truthful, and i just did the same with your comment! It doesn't take a genius to notice that this and bruce lee's teachings are totally incomparible, and anyone saying they are is joking
CellTech
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada396 Posts
July 21 2011 08:29 GMT
#1719
This is absolutely disgusting.

What do I do with Puma now on my fantasy team....
^ Probably a Troll Post
jeebuzzx
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada365 Posts
July 21 2011 08:29 GMT
#1720
lol eg does so much player poaching
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