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On July 21 2011 17:21 W2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:11 arbitrageur wrote:On July 21 2011 17:09 Haydin wrote:On July 21 2011 17:04 arbitrageur wrote:On July 21 2011 17:01 DystopiaX wrote:On July 21 2011 17:01 yeint wrote:On July 21 2011 16:58 Gamegene wrote:
Shit man, is it really that easy to steal a player by offering egregious sums of money without even talking to the team like you should?
I find it extremely shady. You can steal cars. You can't steal people. Because they are not property. Stop calling it theft, for fuck's sake. Breaking contract Elaborate, and then provide evidence for these assertions. You have such little information in your brain about the incident but you come to such conclusions somehow?. Breaking a contract only happens if you are not released from the contract. Puma was released from his contract by request. Also, consider that a player of puma's calibur might not have even been making a salary. $0 vs a steady income. If this is the case (which it may well not be, I'll admit), do people really want to see a top player like him be denied what he deserves? Exactly. Which is why I'm asking all the EG condemners here why poaching is a bad thing (i.e. taking players w/out consulting TSL mgmt). So many pepole are saying it's bad but can someone plz tell me why it's bad? Nice troll bait, the question at the end adds to the authenticity. Classic move, phrasing your argument in the form of a rhetorical question. In the end it's a matter of opinion and no one wins the debate.
I realise it's a matter of opinion, and I want the other side to explain their opinion. I've asked about 4 times in the last 30 pages and the only response I've been given is "nice troll bait", an analogy to your girlfriend being poached, and a guy who just repeats that it's bad and that we should boycott EG sponsors.
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On July 21 2011 17:20 arbitrageur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:19 Miah121 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:11 arbitrageur wrote:On July 21 2011 17:09 Haydin wrote:On July 21 2011 17:04 arbitrageur wrote:On July 21 2011 17:01 DystopiaX wrote:On July 21 2011 17:01 yeint wrote:On July 21 2011 16:58 Gamegene wrote:
Shit man, is it really that easy to steal a player by offering egregious sums of money without even talking to the team like you should?
I find it extremely shady. You can steal cars. You can't steal people. Because they are not property. Stop calling it theft, for fuck's sake. Breaking contract Elaborate, and then provide evidence for these assertions. You have such little information in your brain about the incident but you come to such conclusions somehow?. Breaking a contract only happens if you are not released from the contract. Puma was released from his contract by request. Also, consider that a player of puma's calibur might not have even been making a salary. $0 vs a steady income. If this is the case (which it may well not be, I'll admit), do people really want to see a top player like him be denied what he deserves? Exactly. Which is why I'm asking all the EG condemners here why poaching is a bad thing (i.e. taking players w/out consulting TSL mgmt). So many pepole are saying it's bad but can someone plz tell me why it's bad? Imagine your girlfriend went on a trip, and someone just approached her and asked her to be his girlfriend, and she accepted. No contract, not married. Sure, you feel like you've been betrayed, but it's not wrong, right? I've been betrayed by my girlfriend. The guy who approached her doesn't have to ring me and ask for my permission.. Lmao. So, can someone plz explain to me? I seriously want to know, not just being sarcastic. I don't think I nkow the asnwer either, just waiting for an explanation from the EG-condemners.
Stop trolling, you're making it way too obvious.
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On July 21 2011 17:19 FryktSkyene wrote:
Your stupid.
Oh the irony.
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On July 21 2011 17:21 ComTrav wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:20 Gamegene wrote:On July 21 2011 17:18 arbitrageur wrote:
You haven't yet explained to me why it's bad? What are the benefits to all stakeholders of contacting TSL throughout the process? On July 21 2011 17:18 Ocedic wrote:
Because it destroys any meaning in having a team if people just hop around and get poached left and right, looking to make the quickest buck rather than developing a team. You can say that doesn't matter, but it does for others. Pretty sure you have a favorite sports player on a team or perhaps a favorite team... how would you like it if that player or the team's star player was poached through shady dealings? As a fan you'd feel like shit. If Koreans did this to Foreigner favorites like IdrA or Naniwa people would be raging hardcore at this. Y'know, I have to disagree. I think if a foreigner was picked up by a Korean team, people would be like "ZOMG HE PROVES FOREIGNERS ARE LEGIT."
Torch was on Startale at one point right?
I think someone else to but I can't remember
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On July 21 2011 17:20 Gamegene wrote:
If Koreans did this to Foreigner favorites like IdrA or Naniwa people would be raging hardcore at this.
I wouldn't
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About time EG recruits a talented player. Glad it was in such a well-mannered fashion.
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I fail to see a problem with what EG did? If anything, you should blame Puma for being unloyal.
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Sucks for tsl and if it actually happened how it's stated in the op then i agree it was pretty nasty by eg to completely ignore TSL's leadership. But anyways, good for them that they got Puma, he's a great player.
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On July 21 2011 17:19 Miah121 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:11 arbitrageur wrote:On July 21 2011 17:09 Haydin wrote:On July 21 2011 17:04 arbitrageur wrote:On July 21 2011 17:01 DystopiaX wrote:On July 21 2011 17:01 yeint wrote:On July 21 2011 16:58 Gamegene wrote:
Shit man, is it really that easy to steal a player by offering egregious sums of money without even talking to the team like you should?
I find it extremely shady. You can steal cars. You can't steal people. Because they are not property. Stop calling it theft, for fuck's sake. Breaking contract Elaborate, and then provide evidence for these assertions. You have such little information in your brain about the incident but you come to such conclusions somehow?. Breaking a contract only happens if you are not released from the contract. Puma was released from his contract by request. Also, consider that a player of puma's calibur might not have even been making a salary. $0 vs a steady income. If this is the case (which it may well not be, I'll admit), do people really want to see a top player like him be denied what he deserves? Exactly. Which is why I'm asking all the EG condemners here why poaching is a bad thing (i.e. taking players w/out consulting TSL mgmt). So many pepole are saying it's bad but can someone plz tell me why it's bad? Imagine your girlfriend went on a trip, and someone just approached her and asked her to be his girlfriend, and she accepted. No contract, not married. Sure, you feel like you've been betrayed, but it's not wrong, right?
Lol... is that legitimately how you feel? You feel like this is a proper comparison? If your gf goes to another country... hahah wow...
Alrite I'm going to indulge you on this. If your GF goes to another country, gets approached and offered a position as GF with another man AND she accepts, you probably deserved it.
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On July 21 2011 17:13 Sideburn wrote:
Something that is completely normal in sports happens. Uproar. What?
I don't know how sports transfers happen in the US but in Europe (in football), you have to make a formal approach to the club, not the player, after talking to the club and if the clubs can came to an arrangement the club after the player is then allowed to talk to the player about salary, length of contract etc....
Not talk to player, don't bother talking to management of said player (if that is indeed what happened).
So no its not completely normal in sports. You should what manager over here say if an opposition manager even mentions one of their players.... See Wenger and all the drama surrounding Nasri
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On July 21 2011 16:58 Morfildur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 16:55 suprnovaynwa wrote:EGiNcontroL Geoff Robinson
I have an extremely important tweet to make in exactly 5 minutes stay tuned please... the plott thickens... Well, iNcontrol just trolled us all... :p Show nested quote +
EGiNcontroL Geoff Robinson
As many of you know something big has happened today. We at EG are proud to announce: Machine has received his Necron army in the mail.
Hmmm... would've been better if we didn't get trolled by EG members. It's a fairly serious situation after all.
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On July 21 2011 17:21 iba001 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:08 IceSlipper wrote:On July 21 2011 17:07 Lifter wrote:
Chinese thought the same thing about Bruce Lee when he taught foreigners how to fight... LOL they thought foreigners were disgusting for signing a contracted teacher? ahaha so far off the mark bruce lee taught secrets of the fist to those who were not worthy. puma will teach secrets of the mouse to those who are not worthy. therefore, puma = bruce lee. :b
except puma was under a contract with another team before signing with eg.. bruce lee was under no obligation to teach anyone at all.. and certainly wasnt in a contract that involved him exclusively teaching 'those who were worthy'
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On July 21 2011 17:22 arbitrageur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:21 W2 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:11 arbitrageur wrote:On July 21 2011 17:09 Haydin wrote:On July 21 2011 17:04 arbitrageur wrote:On July 21 2011 17:01 DystopiaX wrote:On July 21 2011 17:01 yeint wrote:On July 21 2011 16:58 Gamegene wrote:
Shit man, is it really that easy to steal a player by offering egregious sums of money without even talking to the team like you should?
I find it extremely shady. You can steal cars. You can't steal people. Because they are not property. Stop calling it theft, for fuck's sake. Breaking contract Elaborate, and then provide evidence for these assertions. You have such little information in your brain about the incident but you come to such conclusions somehow?. Breaking a contract only happens if you are not released from the contract. Puma was released from his contract by request. Also, consider that a player of puma's calibur might not have even been making a salary. $0 vs a steady income. If this is the case (which it may well not be, I'll admit), do people really want to see a top player like him be denied what he deserves? Exactly. Which is why I'm asking all the EG condemners here why poaching is a bad thing (i.e. taking players w/out consulting TSL mgmt). So many pepole are saying it's bad but can someone plz tell me why it's bad? Nice troll bait, the question at the end adds to the authenticity. Classic move, phrasing your argument in the form of a rhetorical question. In the end it's a matter of opinion and no one wins the debate. I realise it's a matter of opinion, and I want the other side to explain their opinion. I've asked about 4 times in the last 30 pages and the only response I've been given is "nice troll bait", an analogy to your girlfriend being poached, and a guy who just repeats that it's bad and that we should boycott EG sponsors.
stop trolling and go work on your english. plenty of people have given responses. you simply have nothing to say so you ignore them and play stupid "plz someone explaaaaain to meeee???????"
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Hey TSL, here's a way to stop people from leaving: have them sign contracts, and if other teams want them, have them buy out the contract. Or something like that.
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On July 21 2011 17:21 ComTrav wrote:
Y'know, I have to disagree.
I think if a foreigner was picked up by a Korean team, people would be like "ZOMG HE PROVES FOREIGNERS ARE LEGIT."
...And then the people who agreed with CatZ would start bitching that Korea is stealing talent and money.
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On July 21 2011 17:18 arbitrageur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:16 Gamegene wrote:On July 21 2011 17:11 arbitrageur wrote:
Exactly. Which is why I'm asking all the EG condemners here why poaching is a bad thing (i.e. taking players w/out consulting TSL mgmt). So many pepole are saying it's bad but can someone plz tell me why it's bad? Because it's not professional. They basically went up to Puma behind the team's back, while he was 3000 miles away from his coach, and flashed a bunch of money into his face. If they wanted, they could have started an arrangement like SK did with NaDa and MC, you know, actually talking to the management of TSL. Don't buy Intel, Steelseries, Monster, Kingston products. You haven't yet explained to me why it's bad? What are the benefits to all stakeholders of contacting TSL throughout the process?
It is just a practice of class... similar to it being classless to shoot someone in the back.
Even in the NHL (in which the practice of poaching good young players (RFAs) is written into the Collective Bargaining Agreement) it is considered poor practice and almost never happens. And when it does, it is a full out media scandal with words like "gutless" and phrases like "an act of desperation by a desperate General Manager trying to save his job" are pulled out by not only the team suddenly down a player, but the hockey world in general.
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I still want to know whats really going on with TSL. Four players leaving in a matter of weeks is not a good sign and it doesn't just happen.
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On July 21 2011 17:19 FryktSkyene wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:18 Defacer wrote:
It's a shame that TSL lost their ace player.
At the same time, a contract with a player is meaningless if it has no value attached to it. Is it really true that Puma didn't make a salary? If that's the case, how much loyalty could TSL reasonably expect? And who would blame EG for making an offer on an obviously excellent player with nothing to lose and everything to gain?
FXO just bought a whole team, essentially. Not many people are boo-hooing that.
Trying to acquire the best players happens regularly in professional sports.
Your stupid. Fou reached out to Fxo to sponser them. /your post
True enough. So FXO is sponsoring Fou.
No explain to me what the big deal is with EG essentially offering a great player a job?
If an another employer offered you a substantial raise to work for them, are you or this prospective employer obligated in anyway to contact you?
Not really.
/yourself.
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On July 21 2011 15:04 MrCon wrote:
Perhaps EG will manage to make an average player of Puma xD
rofl 
I'm not getting the "F5" reference. I know on a Keyboard it's "refresh" but I don't understand the hidden meaning?
On topic, PuMa and IdrA will make SICK training partners for each other. I expect to see IdrA's TvZ improve -even more- and perhaps using some sick drop play of his own.
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Only read page one.
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Another thought: This means that EG has a top-class Terran AND Zerg player. Besides the obvious benefits in of itself and to the teams 1v1 aspect, I bet him and IdrA would make a destructive 2v2 team.
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