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On July 21 2011 17:18 Mycl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:17 zeru wrote:On July 21 2011 17:13 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:09 zeru wrote:On July 21 2011 17:05 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:04 Ocedic wrote:On July 21 2011 17:02 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:00 zeru wrote:Dick move, but im not surprised since its EG. On July 21 2011 17:00 danbel1005 wrote:On July 21 2011 16:42 Talin wrote:
Nobody in EG won anything significant recently.
Oh... except Puma I guess. Heh. Oh you ignorant cutie pie. Let me educate u a bit. EG.IdrA "IPL Session 1 Champion"How does that qualify in ur head?... Haters gonna Hate. that was a US-invite only tourney. lol. MLG champion, last foreigner in the last MLG placing 4'th behind MC/losira/mma. Give it a rest you fanboy tool. Ah so saying that Idra has better results then other foreigners as fact is now fanboy? please get a grip. You are wrong, that's what makes it fanboyism when you state incorrect things as facts. Idra does not have better results than other foreigners. He may have good results, but thats about it. Sjow, jinro, whitera, naniwa, fenix all have better and more impressive results, hell even thorzain. I have already said Jinro is up there. Fenix, naniwa, sjow, white ra do NOT have the results Idra have. I am sorry its fact. Big tournaments: Top 8 in every mlg but 1 for Idra Won an MLG qualified for every single GSL tournament made ro8 code S Won IPL season 1 (I agree not the biggest deal sense there were no EU players) Jinro: Won an MLG (hasn't played any others unless I am mistaken?) Made semi finals in GSL code S twice in a row (very impressive) Made ro16 code S (I believe dont' know for sure?) So far I would say idra/jinro have same accomplishments in major tournaments (Jinro making semi finals twice in a row was amazing). But Idra is still more consistent as he almost always makes it far in big tournaments. Huk is getting to jinro/idra in achievements. Huk: ro8 code A Qualified for code S Ro16 code S won an MLG Won dreamhack won homestory cup Those 3 are imo the 3 "best" foreigners in terms of achievements (thorzain only has TSL 3 win how is that better accomplishments then idra/jinro/huk?). Why do you even argue with me when you can't even get jinros achievments correct, not even his GSL placings. And thorzains TSL3 was impressive because of the caliber of players that were participating in it, compared to other tournaments, IPL was a joke, any weekly european tournament has better players in it than IPL. Do people not know the meaning of Semi final?
I don't think they do.
For those who don't know, "semi-finals" is the equivalent to the Round-of-4.
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On July 21 2011 17:18 Zen. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:15 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 21 2011 17:13 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:09 zeru wrote:On July 21 2011 17:05 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:04 Ocedic wrote:On July 21 2011 17:02 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:00 zeru wrote:Dick move, but im not surprised since its EG. On July 21 2011 17:00 danbel1005 wrote:On July 21 2011 16:42 Talin wrote:
Nobody in EG won anything significant recently.
Oh... except Puma I guess. Heh. Oh you ignorant cutie pie. Let me educate u a bit. EG.IdrA "IPL Session 1 Champion"How does that qualify in ur head?... Haters gonna Hate. that was a US-invite only tourney. lol. MLG champion, last foreigner in the last MLG placing 4'th behind MC/losira/mma. Give it a rest you fanboy tool. Ah so saying that Idra has better results then other foreigners as fact is now fanboy? please get a grip. You are wrong, that's what makes it fanboyism when you state incorrect things as facts. Idra does not have better results than other foreigners. He may have good results, but thats about it. Sjow, jinro, whitera, naniwa, fenix all have better and more impressive results, hell even thorzain. I have already said Jinro is up there. Fenix, naniwa, sjow, white ra do NOT have the results Idra have. I am sorry its fact. Big tournaments: Top 8 in every mlg but 1 for Idra Won an MLG qualified for every single GSL tournament made ro8 code S Won IPL season 1 (I agree not the biggest deal sense there were no EU players) Jinro: Won an MLG (hasn't played any others unless I am mistaken?) Made semi finals in GSL code S twice in a row (very impressive) Made ro16 code S (I believe dont' know for sure?) So far I would say idra/jinro have same accomplishments in major tournaments (Jinro making semi finals twice in a row was amazing). But Idra is still more consistent as he almost always makes it far in big tournaments. Huk is getting to jinro/idra in achievements. Huk: ro8 code A Qualified for code S Ro16 code S won an MLG Won dreamhack won homestory cup Those 3 are imo the 3 "best" foreigners in terms of achievements (thorzain only has TSL 3 win how is that better accomplishments then idra/jinro/huk?). You have 5000+ posts on TL and don't know that Jinro went to the ro4 twice in GSL? thats what semi finals is....
epic facepalm indeed.
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oh man EG. is making a bad name for foreign teams  hope other teams learn from there mistakes and give the korean teams some more respect 
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On July 21 2011 17:18 arbitrageur wrote:
You haven't yet explained to me why it's bad? What are the benefits to all stakeholders of contacting TSL throughout the process?
On July 21 2011 17:18 Ocedic wrote:
Because it destroys any meaning in having a team if people just hop around and get poached left and right, looking to make the quickest buck rather than developing a team. You can say that doesn't matter, but it does for others. Pretty sure you have a favorite sports player on a team or perhaps a favorite team... how would you like it if that player or the team's star player was poached through shady dealings? As a fan you'd feel like shit.
If Koreans did this to Foreigner favorites like IdrA or Naniwa people would be raging hardcore at this.
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On July 21 2011 17:18 Defacer wrote:
It's a shame that TSL lost their ace player.
At the same time, a contract with a player is meaningless if it has no value attached to it. Is it really true that Puma didn't make a salary? If that's the case, how much loyalty could TSL reasonably expect? And who would blame EG for making an offer on an obviously excellent player with nothing to lose and everything to gain?
FXO just bought a whole team, essentially. Not many people are boo-hooing that.
Trying to acquire the best players happens regularly in professional sports.
It was fOu that came up with the deal and it was too good for FXO to pass upon..
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On July 21 2011 17:19 Miah121 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:11 arbitrageur wrote:On July 21 2011 17:09 Haydin wrote:On July 21 2011 17:04 arbitrageur wrote:On July 21 2011 17:01 DystopiaX wrote:On July 21 2011 17:01 yeint wrote:On July 21 2011 16:58 Gamegene wrote:
Shit man, is it really that easy to steal a player by offering egregious sums of money without even talking to the team like you should?
I find it extremely shady. You can steal cars. You can't steal people. Because they are not property. Stop calling it theft, for fuck's sake. Breaking contract Elaborate, and then provide evidence for these assertions. You have such little information in your brain about the incident but you come to such conclusions somehow?. Breaking a contract only happens if you are not released from the contract. Puma was released from his contract by request. Also, consider that a player of puma's calibur might not have even been making a salary. $0 vs a steady income. If this is the case (which it may well not be, I'll admit), do people really want to see a top player like him be denied what he deserves? Exactly. Which is why I'm asking all the EG condemners here why poaching is a bad thing (i.e. taking players w/out consulting TSL mgmt). So many pepole are saying it's bad but can someone plz tell me why it's bad? Imagine your girlfriend went on a trip, and someone just approached her and asked her to be his girlfriend, and she accepted. No contract, not married. Sure, you feel like you've been betrayed, but it's not wrong, right?
I've been betrayed by my girlfriend. The guy who approached her doesn't have to ring me and ask for my permission.. Lmao.
So, can someone plz explain to me? I seriously want to know, not just being sarcastic. I don't think I nkow the asnwer either, just waiting for an explanation from the EG-condemners.
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On July 21 2011 17:19 Miah121 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:11 arbitrageur wrote:On July 21 2011 17:09 Haydin wrote:On July 21 2011 17:04 arbitrageur wrote:On July 21 2011 17:01 DystopiaX wrote:On July 21 2011 17:01 yeint wrote:On July 21 2011 16:58 Gamegene wrote:
Shit man, is it really that easy to steal a player by offering egregious sums of money without even talking to the team like you should?
I find it extremely shady. You can steal cars. You can't steal people. Because they are not property. Stop calling it theft, for fuck's sake. Breaking contract Elaborate, and then provide evidence for these assertions. You have such little information in your brain about the incident but you come to such conclusions somehow?. Breaking a contract only happens if you are not released from the contract. Puma was released from his contract by request. Also, consider that a player of puma's calibur might not have even been making a salary. $0 vs a steady income. If this is the case (which it may well not be, I'll admit), do people really want to see a top player like him be denied what he deserves? Exactly. Which is why I'm asking all the EG condemners here why poaching is a bad thing (i.e. taking players w/out consulting TSL mgmt). So many pepole are saying it's bad but can someone plz tell me why it's bad? Imagine your girlfriend went on a trip, and someone just approached her and asked her to be his girlfriend, and she accepted. No contract, not married. Sure, you feel like you've been betrayed, but it's not wrong, right?
It's not. Frankly if she leaves that easy, you weren't that great of a boyfriend to begin with.
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On July 21 2011 17:11 arbitrageur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:09 Haydin wrote:On July 21 2011 17:04 arbitrageur wrote:On July 21 2011 17:01 DystopiaX wrote:On July 21 2011 17:01 yeint wrote:On July 21 2011 16:58 Gamegene wrote:
Shit man, is it really that easy to steal a player by offering egregious sums of money without even talking to the team like you should?
I find it extremely shady. You can steal cars. You can't steal people. Because they are not property. Stop calling it theft, for fuck's sake. Breaking contract Elaborate, and then provide evidence for these assertions. You have such little information in your brain about the incident but you come to such conclusions somehow?. Breaking a contract only happens if you are not released from the contract. Puma was released from his contract by request. Also, consider that a player of puma's calibur might not have even been making a salary. $0 vs a steady income. If this is the case (which it may well not be, I'll admit), do people really want to see a top player like him be denied what he deserves? Exactly. Which is why I'm asking all the EG condemners here why poaching is a bad thing (i.e. taking players w/out consulting TSL mgmt). So many pepole are saying it's bad but can someone plz tell me why it's bad?
Nice troll bait, the question at the end adds to the authenticity. Classic move, phrasing your argument in the form of a rhetorical question. In the end it's a matter of opinion and no one wins the debate.
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On July 21 2011 17:08 IceSlipper wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:07 Lifter wrote:
Chinese thought the same thing about Bruce Lee when he taught foreigners how to fight... LOL they thought foreigners were disgusting for signing a contracted teacher? ahaha so far off the mark
bruce lee taught secrets of the fist to those who were not worthy.
puma will teach secrets of the mouse to those who are not worthy.
therefore, puma = bruce lee.
:b
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On July 21 2011 17:18 Defacer wrote:
It's a shame that TSL lost their ace player.
At the same time, a contract with a player is meaningless if it has no value attached to it. Is it really true that Puma didn't make a salary? If that's the case, how much loyalty could TSL reasonably expect? And who would blame EG for making an offer on an obviously excellent player with nothing to lose and everything to gain?
FXO just bought a whole team, essentially. Not many people are boo-hooing that.
Trying to acquire the best players happens regularly in professional sports.
difference is that fOu went up to FXO and asked if they would buy them out, essentially. fOu is not a rich team, they need funds. In this case, Puma was poached without TSL's knowledge until they let him go.
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On July 21 2011 17:19 PHC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:15 trikshun wrote:On July 21 2011 17:13 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:09 zeru wrote:On July 21 2011 17:05 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:04 Ocedic wrote:On July 21 2011 17:02 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:00 zeru wrote:Dick move, but im not surprised since its EG. On July 21 2011 17:00 danbel1005 wrote:On July 21 2011 16:42 Talin wrote:
Nobody in EG won anything significant recently.
Oh... except Puma I guess. Heh. Oh you ignorant cutie pie. Let me educate u a bit. EG.IdrA "IPL Session 1 Champion"How does that qualify in ur head?... Haters gonna Hate. that was a US-invite only tourney. lol. MLG champion, last foreigner in the last MLG placing 4'th behind MC/losira/mma. Give it a rest you fanboy tool. Ah so saying that Idra has better results then other foreigners as fact is now fanboy? please get a grip. You are wrong, that's what makes it fanboyism when you state incorrect things as facts. Idra does not have better results than other foreigners. He may have good results, but thats about it. Sjow, jinro, whitera, naniwa, fenix all have better and more impressive results, hell even thorzain. I have already said Jinro is up there. Fenix, naniwa, sjow, white ra do NOT have the results Idra have. I am sorry its fact. Big tournaments: Top 8 in every mlg but 1 for Idra Won an MLG qualified for every single GSL tournament made ro8 code S Won IPL season 1 (I agree not the biggest deal sense there were no EU players) Jinro: Won an MLG (hasn't played any others unless I am mistaken?) Made semi finals in GSL code S twice in a row (very impressive) Made ro16 code S (I believe dont' know for sure?) So far I would say idra/jinro have same accomplishments in major tournaments (Jinro making semi finals twice in a row was amazing). But Idra is still more consistent as he almost always makes it far in big tournaments. Huk is getting to jinro/idra in achievements. Huk: ro8 code A Qualified for code S Ro16 code S won an MLG Won dreamhack won homestory cup Those 3 are imo the 3 "best" foreigners in terms of achievements (thorzain only has TSL 3 win how is that better accomplishments then idra/jinro/huk?). 2nd at gamescon Gamescon isn't for another month. Did you mean 2nd at Gamescon NA qualifier?
Idk if it was called Gamescon or IEM but the one where he lost to morrow's 5 rax reapers
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On July 21 2011 17:20 BookII wrote:Someone needs to translate these properly! They look very relevant. And Killer seems very concerned!
the july 15th one is NOT relevant.
i've translated the 7 minutes one.
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On July 21 2011 17:20 orgasmic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:16 Gamegene wrote:On July 21 2011 17:11 arbitrageur wrote:
Exactly. Which is why I'm asking all the EG condemners here why poaching is a bad thing (i.e. taking players w/out consulting TSL mgmt). So many pepole are saying it's bad but can someone plz tell me why it's bad? Don't buy Intel, Steelseries, Monster, Kingston products. Are you fuckin' kidding me?
I can do that.
Cept' Intel...
You need intel chips...there flat out the best..
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...Wow, did not see that coming... but one of my favorite teams gains an amazing Terran player... I am pleased. ;-D
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On July 21 2011 17:20 Gamegene wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:18 arbitrageur wrote:
You haven't yet explained to me why it's bad? What are the benefits to all stakeholders of contacting TSL throughout the process? Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:18 Ocedic wrote:
Because it destroys any meaning in having a team if people just hop around and get poached left and right, looking to make the quickest buck rather than developing a team. You can say that doesn't matter, but it does for others. Pretty sure you have a favorite sports player on a team or perhaps a favorite team... how would you like it if that player or the team's star player was poached through shady dealings? As a fan you'd feel like shit. If Koreans did this to Foreigner favorites like IdrA or Naniwa people would be raging hardcore at this.
Y'know, I have to disagree.
I think if a foreigner was picked up by a Korean team, people would be like "ZOMG HE PROVES FOREIGNERS ARE LEGIT."
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Google translate showed the word Gentlemen (Puma's other ID) so yeah it's probably relating to this situation.
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On July 21 2011 17:20 PHC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:18 Zen. wrote:On July 21 2011 17:15 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 21 2011 17:13 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:09 zeru wrote:On July 21 2011 17:05 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:04 Ocedic wrote:On July 21 2011 17:02 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:00 zeru wrote:Dick move, but im not surprised since its EG. On July 21 2011 17:00 danbel1005 wrote:
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Oh you ignorant cutie pie.
Let me educate u a bit.
EG.IdrA "IPL Session 1 Champion"
How does that qualify in ur head?...
Haters gonna Hate.
that was a US-invite only tourney. lol. MLG champion, last foreigner in the last MLG placing 4'th behind MC/losira/mma. Give it a rest you fanboy tool. Ah so saying that Idra has better results then other foreigners as fact is now fanboy? please get a grip. You are wrong, that's what makes it fanboyism when you state incorrect things as facts. Idra does not have better results than other foreigners. He may have good results, but thats about it. Sjow, jinro, whitera, naniwa, fenix all have better and more impressive results, hell even thorzain. I have already said Jinro is up there. Fenix, naniwa, sjow, white ra do NOT have the results Idra have. I am sorry its fact. Big tournaments: Top 8 in every mlg but 1 for Idra Won an MLG qualified for every single GSL tournament made ro8 code S Won IPL season 1 (I agree not the biggest deal sense there were no EU players) Jinro: Won an MLG (hasn't played any others unless I am mistaken?) Made semi finals in GSL code S twice in a row (very impressive) Made ro16 code S (I believe dont' know for sure?) So far I would say idra/jinro have same accomplishments in major tournaments (Jinro making semi finals twice in a row was amazing). But Idra is still more consistent as he almost always makes it far in big tournaments. Huk is getting to jinro/idra in achievements. Huk: ro8 code A Qualified for code S Ro16 code S won an MLG Won dreamhack won homestory cup Those 3 are imo the 3 "best" foreigners in terms of achievements (thorzain only has TSL 3 win how is that better accomplishments then idra/jinro/huk?). You have 5000+ posts on TL and don't know that Jinro went to the ro4 twice in GSL? thats what semi finals is.... epic facepalm indeed.
Yep it was... Completely missed it, oh well. I just wanted to make sure Jinro was getting proper credit. I <3 Chinro
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On July 21 2011 17:19 Miah121 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:11 arbitrageur wrote:On July 21 2011 17:09 Haydin wrote:On July 21 2011 17:04 arbitrageur wrote:On July 21 2011 17:01 DystopiaX wrote:On July 21 2011 17:01 yeint wrote:On July 21 2011 16:58 Gamegene wrote:
Shit man, is it really that easy to steal a player by offering egregious sums of money without even talking to the team like you should?
I find it extremely shady. You can steal cars. You can't steal people. Because they are not property. Stop calling it theft, for fuck's sake. Breaking contract Elaborate, and then provide evidence for these assertions. You have such little information in your brain about the incident but you come to such conclusions somehow?. Breaking a contract only happens if you are not released from the contract. Puma was released from his contract by request. Also, consider that a player of puma's calibur might not have even been making a salary. $0 vs a steady income. If this is the case (which it may well not be, I'll admit), do people really want to see a top player like him be denied what he deserves? Exactly. Which is why I'm asking all the EG condemners here why poaching is a bad thing (i.e. taking players w/out consulting TSL mgmt). So many pepole are saying it's bad but can someone plz tell me why it's bad? Imagine your girlfriend went on a trip, and someone just approached her and asked her to be his girlfriend, and she accepted. No contract, not married. Sure, you feel like you've been betrayed, but it's not wrong, right?
Imagine some guy on the internet makes a really terrible analogy. Sure he tried really hard, but it just couldn't cut the mustard. It's just like that.
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On July 21 2011 17:20 MrSexington wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:18 Mycl wrote:On July 21 2011 17:17 zeru wrote:On July 21 2011 17:13 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:09 zeru wrote:On July 21 2011 17:05 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:04 Ocedic wrote:On July 21 2011 17:02 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:00 zeru wrote:Dick move, but im not surprised since its EG. On July 21 2011 17:00 danbel1005 wrote:
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Oh you ignorant cutie pie.
Let me educate u a bit.
EG.IdrA "IPL Session 1 Champion"
How does that qualify in ur head?...
Haters gonna Hate.
that was a US-invite only tourney. lol. MLG champion, last foreigner in the last MLG placing 4'th behind MC/losira/mma. Give it a rest you fanboy tool. Ah so saying that Idra has better results then other foreigners as fact is now fanboy? please get a grip. You are wrong, that's what makes it fanboyism when you state incorrect things as facts. Idra does not have better results than other foreigners. He may have good results, but thats about it. Sjow, jinro, whitera, naniwa, fenix all have better and more impressive results, hell even thorzain. I have already said Jinro is up there. Fenix, naniwa, sjow, white ra do NOT have the results Idra have. I am sorry its fact. Big tournaments: Top 8 in every mlg but 1 for Idra Won an MLG qualified for every single GSL tournament made ro8 code S Won IPL season 1 (I agree not the biggest deal sense there were no EU players) Jinro: Won an MLG (hasn't played any others unless I am mistaken?) Made semi finals in GSL code S twice in a row (very impressive) Made ro16 code S (I believe dont' know for sure?) So far I would say idra/jinro have same accomplishments in major tournaments (Jinro making semi finals twice in a row was amazing). But Idra is still more consistent as he almost always makes it far in big tournaments. Huk is getting to jinro/idra in achievements. Huk: ro8 code A Qualified for code S Ro16 code S won an MLG Won dreamhack won homestory cup Those 3 are imo the 3 "best" foreigners in terms of achievements (thorzain only has TSL 3 win how is that better accomplishments then idra/jinro/huk?). Why do you even argue with me when you can't even get jinros achievments correct, not even his GSL placings. And thorzains TSL3 was impressive because of the caliber of players that were participating in it, compared to other tournaments, IPL was a joke, any weekly european tournament has better players in it than IPL. Do people not know the meaning of Semi final? I don't think they do. For those who don't know, "semi-finals" is the equivalent to the Round-of-4.
Am i the only one cracking up at this? I dunno, after all the drama in this thread, I found this hilarious at 3:21 A.M. giggling like an idiot in my room.
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On July 21 2011 17:20 Gamegene wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:18 arbitrageur wrote:
You haven't yet explained to me why it's bad? What are the benefits to all stakeholders of contacting TSL throughout the process? Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:18 Ocedic wrote:
Because it destroys any meaning in having a team if people just hop around and get poached left and right, looking to make the quickest buck rather than developing a team. You can say that doesn't matter, but it does for others. Pretty sure you have a favorite sports player on a team or perhaps a favorite team... how would you like it if that player or the team's star player was poached through shady dealings? As a fan you'd feel like shit. If Koreans did this to Foreigner favorites like IdrA or Naniwa people would be raging hardcore at this.
I seriously doubt it lol. I'm not raging at this though, and I wouldn't rage at that either. In fact I'd be happy that I'd get to see Idra/Naniwa in the GSL/GSTL again.
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