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On July 21 2011 17:11 arbitrageur wrote:
Exactly. Which is why I'm asking all the EG condemners here why poaching is a bad thing (i.e. taking players w/out consulting TSL mgmt). So many pepole are saying it's bad but can someone plz tell me why it's bad?
Because it's not professional.
They basically went up to Puma behind the team's back, while he was 3000 miles away from his coach, and flashed a bunch of money into his face.
If they wanted, they could have started an arrangement like SK did with NaDa and MC, you know, actually talking to the management of TSL.
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On July 21 2011 17:15 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:13 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:09 zeru wrote:On July 21 2011 17:05 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:04 Ocedic wrote:On July 21 2011 17:02 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:00 zeru wrote:Dick move, but im not surprised since its EG. On July 21 2011 17:00 danbel1005 wrote:On July 21 2011 16:42 Talin wrote:
Nobody in EG won anything significant recently.
Oh... except Puma I guess. Heh. Oh you ignorant cutie pie. Let me educate u a bit. EG.IdrA "IPL Session 1 Champion"How does that qualify in ur head?... Haters gonna Hate. that was a US-invite only tourney. lol. MLG champion, last foreigner in the last MLG placing 4'th behind MC/losira/mma. Give it a rest you fanboy tool. Ah so saying that Idra has better results then other foreigners as fact is now fanboy? please get a grip. You are wrong, that's what makes it fanboyism when you state incorrect things as facts. Idra does not have better results than other foreigners. He may have good results, but thats about it. Sjow, jinro, whitera, naniwa, fenix all have better and more impressive results, hell even thorzain. I have already said Jinro is up there. Fenix, naniwa, sjow, white ra do NOT have the results Idra have. I am sorry its fact. Big tournaments: Top 8 in every mlg but 1 for Idra Won an MLG qualified for every single GSL tournament made ro8 code S Won IPL season 1 (I agree not the biggest deal sense there were no EU players) Jinro: Won an MLG (hasn't played any others unless I am mistaken?) Made semi finals in GSL code S twice in a row (very impressive) Made ro16 code S (I believe dont' know for sure?) So far I would say idra/jinro have same accomplishments in major tournaments (Jinro making semi finals twice in a row was amazing). But Idra is still more consistent as he almost always makes it far in big tournaments. Huk is getting to jinro/idra in achievements. Huk: ro8 code A Qualified for code S Ro16 code S won an MLG Won dreamhack won homestory cup Those 3 are imo the 3 "best" foreigners in terms of achievements (thorzain only has TSL 3 win how is that better accomplishments then idra/jinro/huk?). You have 5000+ posts on TL and don't know that Jinro went to the ro4 twice in GSL?
Dual semi-finals = ro4... He listed it :X
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Everyone who's got TSL as their gstl fantasy league team just got boned.
Everyone who's got Puma on their team also just got boned. (assuming he doesn't play in GSTL anymore)
Thank you to my unstable internet cutting me off before I could trade for Puma.
Cheers everyone.
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On July 21 2011 17:15 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:13 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:09 zeru wrote:On July 21 2011 17:05 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:04 Ocedic wrote:On July 21 2011 17:02 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:00 zeru wrote:Dick move, but im not surprised since its EG. On July 21 2011 17:00 danbel1005 wrote:On July 21 2011 16:42 Talin wrote:
Nobody in EG won anything significant recently.
Oh... except Puma I guess. Heh. Oh you ignorant cutie pie. Let me educate u a bit. EG.IdrA "IPL Session 1 Champion"How does that qualify in ur head?... Haters gonna Hate. that was a US-invite only tourney. lol. MLG champion, last foreigner in the last MLG placing 4'th behind MC/losira/mma. Give it a rest you fanboy tool. Ah so saying that Idra has better results then other foreigners as fact is now fanboy? please get a grip. You are wrong, that's what makes it fanboyism when you state incorrect things as facts. Idra does not have better results than other foreigners. He may have good results, but thats about it. Sjow, jinro, whitera, naniwa, fenix all have better and more impressive results, hell even thorzain. I have already said Jinro is up there. Fenix, naniwa, sjow, white ra do NOT have the results Idra have. I am sorry its fact. Big tournaments: Top 8 in every mlg but 1 for Idra Won an MLG qualified for every single GSL tournament made ro8 code S Won IPL season 1 (I agree not the biggest deal sense there were no EU players) Jinro: Won an MLG (hasn't played any others unless I am mistaken?) Made semi finals in GSL code S twice in a row (very impressive) Made ro16 code S (I believe dont' know for sure?) So far I would say idra/jinro have same accomplishments in major tournaments (Jinro making semi finals twice in a row was amazing). But Idra is still more consistent as he almost always makes it far in big tournaments. Huk is getting to jinro/idra in achievements. Huk: ro8 code A Qualified for code S Ro16 code S won an MLG Won dreamhack won homestory cup Those 3 are imo the 3 "best" foreigners in terms of achievements (thorzain only has TSL 3 win how is that better accomplishments then idra/jinro/huk?). You have 5000+ posts on TL and don't know that Jinro went to the ro4 twice in GSL?
For one, wtf does post value have to do with it?
Also, he fucking said Semifinals twice in a row man ^^
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Seems like a dick move from EG to not talk with the team at all, just snatch the player. They would have probably let him go anyway..
Dident scoots go on a rant about SK and Fnatic stealing eachothers players in CS?
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On July 21 2011 17:15 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:13 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:09 zeru wrote:On July 21 2011 17:05 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:04 Ocedic wrote:On July 21 2011 17:02 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:00 zeru wrote:Dick move, but im not surprised since its EG. On July 21 2011 17:00 danbel1005 wrote:On July 21 2011 16:42 Talin wrote:
Nobody in EG won anything significant recently.
Oh... except Puma I guess. Heh. Oh you ignorant cutie pie. Let me educate u a bit. EG.IdrA "IPL Session 1 Champion"How does that qualify in ur head?... Haters gonna Hate. that was a US-invite only tourney. lol. MLG champion, last foreigner in the last MLG placing 4'th behind MC/losira/mma. Give it a rest you fanboy tool. Ah so saying that Idra has better results then other foreigners as fact is now fanboy? please get a grip. You are wrong, that's what makes it fanboyism when you state incorrect things as facts. Idra does not have better results than other foreigners. He may have good results, but thats about it. Sjow, jinro, whitera, naniwa, fenix all have better and more impressive results, hell even thorzain. I have already said Jinro is up there. Fenix, naniwa, sjow, white ra do NOT have the results Idra have. I am sorry its fact. Big tournaments: Top 8 in every mlg but 1 for Idra Won an MLG qualified for every single GSL tournament made ro8 code S Won IPL season 1 (I agree not the biggest deal sense there were no EU players) Jinro: Won an MLG (hasn't played any others unless I am mistaken?) Made semi finals in GSL code S twice in a row (very impressive) Made ro16 code S (I believe dont' know for sure?) So far I would say idra/jinro have same accomplishments in major tournaments (Jinro making semi finals twice in a row was amazing). But Idra is still more consistent as he almost always makes it far in big tournaments. Huk is getting to jinro/idra in achievements. Huk: ro8 code A Qualified for code S Ro16 code S won an MLG Won dreamhack won homestory cup Those 3 are imo the 3 "best" foreigners in terms of achievements (thorzain only has TSL 3 win how is that better accomplishments then idra/jinro/huk?). You have 5000+ posts on TL and don't know that Jinro went to the ro4 twice in GSL?
He states in there that he made semifinals twice in a row...it seems to be there to me.
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all I know is that when I played football/championship manager, no stinkin' teams ever contacted me first when they wanted to grab any of my free-agents or day-to-day contract players!
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Okay, this shitstorm is unbelievable.
How is this a bad thing to anyone?
Other than TSL who can't please their biggest names and keep losing them?
Congratz EG, a superstar-level Terran is what their team needed the most IMO.
Also can't see this as a bad thing for Puma, obviously.
What is so negative about all this, how is EG "dirty money" lol.
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On July 21 2011 17:16 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:15 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 21 2011 17:13 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:09 zeru wrote:On July 21 2011 17:05 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:04 Ocedic wrote:On July 21 2011 17:02 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:00 zeru wrote:Dick move, but im not surprised since its EG. On July 21 2011 17:00 danbel1005 wrote:On July 21 2011 16:42 Talin wrote:
Nobody in EG won anything significant recently.
Oh... except Puma I guess. Heh. Oh you ignorant cutie pie. Let me educate u a bit. EG.IdrA "IPL Session 1 Champion"How does that qualify in ur head?... Haters gonna Hate. that was a US-invite only tourney. lol. MLG champion, last foreigner in the last MLG placing 4'th behind MC/losira/mma. Give it a rest you fanboy tool. Ah so saying that Idra has better results then other foreigners as fact is now fanboy? please get a grip. You are wrong, that's what makes it fanboyism when you state incorrect things as facts. Idra does not have better results than other foreigners. He may have good results, but thats about it. Sjow, jinro, whitera, naniwa, fenix all have better and more impressive results, hell even thorzain. I have already said Jinro is up there. Fenix, naniwa, sjow, white ra do NOT have the results Idra have. I am sorry its fact. Big tournaments: Top 8 in every mlg but 1 for Idra Won an MLG qualified for every single GSL tournament made ro8 code S Won IPL season 1 (I agree not the biggest deal sense there were no EU players) Jinro: Won an MLG (hasn't played any others unless I am mistaken?) Made semi finals in GSL code S twice in a row (very impressive) Made ro16 code S (I believe dont' know for sure?) So far I would say idra/jinro have same accomplishments in major tournaments (Jinro making semi finals twice in a row was amazing). But Idra is still more consistent as he almost always makes it far in big tournaments. Huk is getting to jinro/idra in achievements. Huk: ro8 code A Qualified for code S Ro16 code S won an MLG Won dreamhack won homestory cup Those 3 are imo the 3 "best" foreigners in terms of achievements (thorzain only has TSL 3 win how is that better accomplishments then idra/jinro/huk?). You have 5000+ posts on TL and don't know that Jinro went to the ro4 twice in GSL? read what Isaid, made semi finals TWICE.
ha my bad dude. getting a little late here I guess.
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On July 21 2011 17:12 Quintum_ wrote:
Lol at all the people trying to make idra out to be week player. Last time i checked most of his loses came for top Koreans, MMA, MC, Zeno ext. And as i recall most foreigners have trouble beating those koreans, idra being one of only a handful of foreigners though could reasonably be expected to take games off them. Still easily considered a top foreigner.
I agree though EG as a team is a lackluster foreign team, they win or lose thing based on how well idra does. Nice to see them add another S class player there roster, will make them a lot more competitive as a team.
And i will wait for an official statement before jumping to conclusions, it is the middle of the night here in the us. Things like this take time to prepare, i sure we will be seeing something in the next few days if not tomorrow with EG finds out this has been leaked.
Another S class player? Who else is S class in EG? :S
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On July 21 2011 17:09 PHC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:07 Bleak wrote:On July 21 2011 17:05 BasedSwag wrote:On July 21 2011 17:03 Bleak wrote:On July 21 2011 16:53 cENTRYZ wrote:On July 21 2011 16:47 Slakter wrote:
People still seem to think that Puma will benefit from this. Please tell me how. Sure, he will travel a lot of foreigner events and get a lot of money FOR A SHORT TIME. He can live off being amazing and talented for a few months now but after that he´s gonna dissappear as long as EG doesnt get him some good practice, which they cant if they dont put him in a korean house.
The fact that he´s a good player and that you guys are all happy EG picked him up isnt cus he´s korean, it´s cus hes gotten korean training, something he´ll lose now... This. This. This. Korea doesn't have something in the tap water and Koreans are not genetically modified to be good at Starcraft. EG is already installing a team house and they will practice a lot. Saying Puma will disappaer because foreigners can't practice is nothing but blatant elitism. Part of practising is talking to other people about your games & Starcraft, who else on EG speaks Korean? Oh cmon, you don't have to speak Shakespearen English to talk about Starcraft. And I'm sure he will have his translator. Although true that Starcraft is the only language required, where did you read that Puma will a translator with EG? Just curious.
Common sense? If you're going to live in a foreign country, either you know at least a little of the language spoken there, or you'll have someone to translate for you. If you don't, you'll learn. In any case, it's Puma's problem not ours. He must have thought about this already, and I'm sure EG also has some ideas about it.
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On July 21 2011 17:11 arbitrageur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:09 Haydin wrote:On July 21 2011 17:04 arbitrageur wrote:On July 21 2011 17:01 DystopiaX wrote:On July 21 2011 17:01 yeint wrote:On July 21 2011 16:58 Gamegene wrote:
Shit man, is it really that easy to steal a player by offering egregious sums of money without even talking to the team like you should?
I find it extremely shady. You can steal cars. You can't steal people. Because they are not property. Stop calling it theft, for fuck's sake. Breaking contract Elaborate, and then provide evidence for these assertions. You have such little information in your brain about the incident but you come to such conclusions somehow?. Breaking a contract only happens if you are not released from the contract. Puma was released from his contract by request. Also, consider that a player of puma's calibur might not have even been making a salary. $0 vs a steady income. If this is the case (which it may well not be, I'll admit), do people really want to see a top player like him be denied what he deserves? Exactly. Which is why I'm asking all the EG condemners here why poaching is a bad thing (i.e. taking players w/out consulting TSL mgmt). So many pepole are saying it's bad but can someone plz tell me why it's bad?
Mate, take it this way. It's like a guy eloping with your daughter and having a child behind your back. Yes, for traditional Asians it can be that BAD.
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On July 21 2011 17:16 Waxangel wrote:
all I know is that when I played football/championship manager, no stinkin' teams ever contacted me first when they wanted to grab any of my free-agents or day-to-day contract players!
You have to get the Korean edition. It's much easier.
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On July 21 2011 17:16 Slakter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:15 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 21 2011 17:13 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:09 zeru wrote:On July 21 2011 17:05 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:04 Ocedic wrote:On July 21 2011 17:02 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:00 zeru wrote:Dick move, but im not surprised since its EG. On July 21 2011 17:00 danbel1005 wrote:On July 21 2011 16:42 Talin wrote:
Nobody in EG won anything significant recently.
Oh... except Puma I guess. Heh. Oh you ignorant cutie pie. Let me educate u a bit. EG.IdrA "IPL Session 1 Champion"How does that qualify in ur head?... Haters gonna Hate. that was a US-invite only tourney. lol. MLG champion, last foreigner in the last MLG placing 4'th behind MC/losira/mma. Give it a rest you fanboy tool. Ah so saying that Idra has better results then other foreigners as fact is now fanboy? please get a grip. You are wrong, that's what makes it fanboyism when you state incorrect things as facts. Idra does not have better results than other foreigners. He may have good results, but thats about it. Sjow, jinro, whitera, naniwa, fenix all have better and more impressive results, hell even thorzain. I have already said Jinro is up there. Fenix, naniwa, sjow, white ra do NOT have the results Idra have. I am sorry its fact. Big tournaments: Top 8 in every mlg but 1 for Idra Won an MLG qualified for every single GSL tournament made ro8 code S Won IPL season 1 (I agree not the biggest deal sense there were no EU players) Jinro: Won an MLG (hasn't played any others unless I am mistaken?) Made semi finals in GSL code S twice in a row (very impressive) Made ro16 code S (I believe dont' know for sure?) So far I would say idra/jinro have same accomplishments in major tournaments (Jinro making semi finals twice in a row was amazing). But Idra is still more consistent as he almost always makes it far in big tournaments. Huk is getting to jinro/idra in achievements. Huk: ro8 code A Qualified for code S Ro16 code S won an MLG Won dreamhack won homestory cup Those 3 are imo the 3 "best" foreigners in terms of achievements (thorzain only has TSL 3 win how is that better accomplishments then idra/jinro/huk?). You have 5000+ posts on TL and don't know that Jinro went to the ro4 twice in GSL? For one, wtf does post value have to do with it? Also, he fucking said Semifinals twice in a row man ^^
I misread and apologized man. I was more shocked at it than anything.
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On July 21 2011 17:11 arbitrageur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:09 Haydin wrote:On July 21 2011 17:04 arbitrageur wrote:On July 21 2011 17:01 DystopiaX wrote:On July 21 2011 17:01 yeint wrote:On July 21 2011 16:58 Gamegene wrote:
Shit man, is it really that easy to steal a player by offering egregious sums of money without even talking to the team like you should?
I find it extremely shady. You can steal cars. You can't steal people. Because they are not property. Stop calling it theft, for fuck's sake. Breaking contract Elaborate, and then provide evidence for these assertions. You have such little information in your brain about the incident but you come to such conclusions somehow?. Breaking a contract only happens if you are not released from the contract. Puma was released from his contract by request. Also, consider that a player of puma's calibur might not have even been making a salary. $0 vs a steady income. If this is the case (which it may well not be, I'll admit), do people really want to see a top player like him be denied what he deserves? Exactly. Which is why I'm asking all the EG condemners here why poaching is a bad thing (i.e. taking players w/out consulting TSL mgmt). So many pepole are saying it's bad but can someone plz tell me why it's bad?
Because it destroys any meaning in having a team if people just hop around and get poached left and right, looking to make the quickest buck rather than developing a team. You can say that doesn't matter, but it does for others. Pretty sure you have a favorite sports player on a team or perhaps a favorite team... how would you like it if that player or the team's star player was poached through shady dealings? As a fan you'd feel like shit.
And once again, this is not saying EG did any of this. Until their side of the story is told, I'm just answering the question.
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On July 21 2011 17:16 Shewklad wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:13 Jiddra wrote:
Puma leaves a TSL that is falling apart, the Koreans get to feel how it really is to want a GLOBAL star league and not only a "Korean takes foreign money while everyone else is watching".
Time to wake up Korea, shit just got real in the global economi. Will be very interesting to see what will come out of this. There has already been some talks in sweden about the need for some sort of global orgaisation for shit like this to get sorted out.
Now the koreans might also push in that direction, only good things can come out of this deal, and we haven't even heard EGs side of it yet.
Are you serious? Have you read none of the other posts in this thread? And I assume you don't take TSL into consideration when saying that.
What is so wrong?
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On July 21 2011 17:11 ineq wrote:
This is atleast more respectable than what SK did with MC an NaDa.
I'm not sure if you understand the MC/Nada SK deal
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if a coach is rageing is he ...
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if i would be that coach i would be roaching right now!
i seriously feel bad for him
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