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Let"s not jump to any conclusions before we get an official statement from EG..
However tapping up a player without even talking to his team is wrong though (if found true that is)..
and if he doesn"t get to practice in Korea , his skill level is gonna drop for sure(no practice house like FXO in malaysia where the lag to kr server is almost 0)..the more i look at it , the more it looks like short term thinking by Puma.He"s gonna make money for a while , but when other koreans get better and start attending foreigner events , he"s gonna fade away IMO.
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On July 21 2011 17:11 arbitrageur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:09 Haydin wrote:On July 21 2011 17:04 arbitrageur wrote:On July 21 2011 17:01 DystopiaX wrote:On July 21 2011 17:01 yeint wrote:On July 21 2011 16:58 Gamegene wrote:
Shit man, is it really that easy to steal a player by offering egregious sums of money without even talking to the team like you should?
I find it extremely shady. You can steal cars. You can't steal people. Because they are not property. Stop calling it theft, for fuck's sake. Breaking contract Elaborate, and then provide evidence for these assertions. You have such little information in your brain about the incident but you come to such conclusions somehow?. Breaking a contract only happens if you are not released from the contract. Puma was released from his contract by request. Also, consider that a player of puma's calibur might not have even been making a salary. $0 vs a steady income. If this is the case (which it may well not be, I'll admit), do people really want to see a top player like him be denied what he deserves? Exactly. Which is why I'm asking all the EG condemners here why poaching is a bad thing (i.e. taking players w/out consulting TSL mgmt). So many pepole are saying it's bad but can someone plz tell me why it's bad?
I don't think it's bad per se, but I do think there should be standards and rules governing this sort of 'trade'. If Puma wants to move, its his career and he should be allowed to move, but TSL should have some compensation.
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Coach Lee is so awesome, I feel bad for him 
Nice pickup thou EG.
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On July 21 2011 17:13 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:12 evoli wrote:On July 21 2011 17:10 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 21 2011 17:08 SourD wrote:On July 21 2011 17:01 DystopiaX wrote:On July 21 2011 16:57 W2 wrote:
This is the beginning of the crumbling of Korean SC2 scene. Everything eventually comes down to money/funding, and Korean teams are already small in that aspect, not to mention they have to cover team house and expenses.
With FXO and TSL gone, I can envision the Korean scene being down to 1-2 teams monopolizing the whole region, much like what happened in Wc3. Those teams are the ones with all the big sponsors, and thus all the big players.
Hooray! We are one step further in killing off SC2 in Korea. Go Go Western e-sports! U S A U S A U S A!!! Alot of teams actually have mainstream companies backing them, so I wouldn't say they're smaller...would need to know more ofc. I know Prime has a chicken deal, which doesn't seem big to us but is like a major endorsment deal in Korea, and even then I'd prefer a mainstream company to sponser me than a niche gaming one like Razer/Steelseries (not that there's anything wrong with them, just seem like comparatively smaller fish) I disagree. being a korean, i follow korean SC2 scene alot. there is no mainstream sponsors as of now. (maybe intel on slayers? not sure) SC1 on the other hand, does have major sponsors backing them, making them very stable. Korea SC2 is very small at the moment and alot of teams are having hard time financially to keep them in one piece ( look at fOu team) in order to have stable SC2 scene in korea, there needs to be major companies backing them(samsung, korean air, shinhan bank..etc.) btw, Prime team's main sponsor, sabasaba chicken, did not renew their sponsorship after they expired and now Prime team is also without a sponsorship. Well Coca Cola is sponsoring IM now. But I'm not familiar with any others really. EG does have a mainstream sponsor as well. Monster. From what I've heard Coca-Cola is just a product sponsor. Cases of soda don't provide too much stability in a team. I hadn't heard that.
Wait, is he being serious? Coca Cola has more than just soft drinks. 
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it all makes sense now that the team is called EVIL geniuses
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On July 21 2011 17:11 arbitrageur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:09 Haydin wrote:On July 21 2011 17:04 arbitrageur wrote:On July 21 2011 17:01 DystopiaX wrote:On July 21 2011 17:01 yeint wrote:On July 21 2011 16:58 Gamegene wrote:
Shit man, is it really that easy to steal a player by offering egregious sums of money without even talking to the team like you should?
I find it extremely shady. You can steal cars. You can't steal people. Because they are not property. Stop calling it theft, for fuck's sake. Breaking contract Elaborate, and then provide evidence for these assertions. You have such little information in your brain about the incident but you come to such conclusions somehow?. Breaking a contract only happens if you are not released from the contract. Puma was released from his contract by request. Also, consider that a player of puma's calibur might not have even been making a salary. $0 vs a steady income. If this is the case (which it may well not be, I'll admit), do people really want to see a top player like him be denied what he deserves? Exactly. Which is why I'm asking all the EG condemners here why poaching is a bad thing (i.e. taking players w/out consulting TSL mgmt). So many pepole are saying it's bad but can someone plz tell me why it's bad?
stop trying to bait responses from people who disagree with this decision. Both Xeris/FXOpen have already stated the whole thing comes down to a issue of ethics/morals. There's no legal infringement here.
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Good, players try to get as much money as you can!
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On July 21 2011 17:12 Quintum_ wrote:
Lol at all the people trying to make idra out to be week player. Last time i checked most of his loses came for top Koreans, MMA, MC, Zeno ext. And as i recall most foreigners have trouble beating those koreans, idra being one of only a handful of foreigners though could reasonably be expected to take games off them. Still easily considered a top foreigner.
I agree though EG as a team is a lackluster foreign team, they win or lose thing based on how well idra does. Nice to see them add another S class player there roster, will make them a lot more competitive as a team.
And i will wait for an official statement before jumping to conclusions, it is the middle of the night here in the us. Things like this take time to prepare, i sure we will be seeing something in the next few days if not tomorrow with EG finds out this has been leaked.
PuMa isn't S. I'm not sure if he's even A.
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On July 21 2011 17:13 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:09 zeru wrote:On July 21 2011 17:05 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:04 Ocedic wrote:On July 21 2011 17:02 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:00 zeru wrote:Dick move, but im not surprised since its EG. On July 21 2011 17:00 danbel1005 wrote:On July 21 2011 16:42 Talin wrote:
Nobody in EG won anything significant recently.
Oh... except Puma I guess. Heh. Oh you ignorant cutie pie. Let me educate u a bit. EG.IdrA "IPL Session 1 Champion"How does that qualify in ur head?... Haters gonna Hate. that was a US-invite only tourney. lol. MLG champion, last foreigner in the last MLG placing 4'th behind MC/losira/mma. Give it a rest you fanboy tool. Ah so saying that Idra has better results then other foreigners as fact is now fanboy? please get a grip. You are wrong, that's what makes it fanboyism when you state incorrect things as facts. Idra does not have better results than other foreigners. He may have good results, but thats about it. Sjow, jinro, whitera, naniwa, fenix all have better and more impressive results, hell even thorzain. I have already said Jinro is up there. Fenix, naniwa, sjow, white ra do NOT have the results Idra have. I am sorry its fact. Big tournaments: Top 8 in every mlg but 1 for Idra Won an MLG qualified for every single GSL tournament made ro8 code S Won IPL season 1 (I agree not the biggest deal sense there were no EU players) Jinro: Won an MLG (hasn't played any others unless I am mistaken?) Made semi finals in GSL code S twice in a row (very impressive) Made ro16 code S (I believe dont' know for sure?) So far I would say idra/jinro have same accomplishments in major tournaments (Jinro making semi finals twice in a row was amazing). But Idra is still more consistent as he almost always makes it far in big tournaments. Huk is getting to jinro/idra in achievements. Huk: ro8 code A Qualified for code S Ro16 code S won an MLG Won dreamhack won homestory cup Those 3 are imo the 3 "best" foreigners in terms of achievements (thorzain only has TSL 3 win how is that better accomplishments then idra/jinro/huk?).
You have 5000+ posts on TL and don't know that Jinro went to the ro4 twice in GSL?
EDIT: I missed the semifinals in the post i quoted, my bad.
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On July 21 2011 17:11 trikshun wrote:
Can someone translate this? KillerShin 신상호
마음 맞는 사람들이 뭉쳐서 의지하고 믿고 신뢰를 바탕으로 오해는 오래 안 가고 시끌벅적하게 돌아가는 바닥의 생태계 경계심을 풀게 Cause nobodies fuckin perfect!
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Sounds to me like this Manager Lee is in denial on Puma wanting to find greener pastures. Puma himself left the team, but Manager Lee pins it on EG? What? Shouldn't he be blaming Puma for making the decision to leave the team? Yeah EG made the offer, but it's not like they held Puma at gunpoint forcing him to sign it. Puma himself made the deal happen.
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On July 21 2011 17:05 Slakter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:03 Bleak wrote:On July 21 2011 16:53 cENTRYZ wrote:On July 21 2011 16:47 Slakter wrote:
People still seem to think that Puma will benefit from this. Please tell me how. Sure, he will travel a lot of foreigner events and get a lot of money FOR A SHORT TIME. He can live off being amazing and talented for a few months now but after that he´s gonna dissappear as long as EG doesnt get him some good practice, which they cant if they dont put him in a korean house.
The fact that he´s a good player and that you guys are all happy EG picked him up isnt cus he´s korean, it´s cus hes gotten korean training, something he´ll lose now... This. This. This. Korea doesn't have something in the tap water and Koreans are not genetically modified to be good at Starcraft. EG is already installing a team house and they will practice a lot. Saying Puma will disappaer because foreigners can't practice is nothing but blatant elitism. Who is he going to practice with? Machine and LZ? I love EG man, Im a fan but Puma needs better practice partners than that to stay on the top. Also, foreigners training-schedules are a joke compared to korean, it´s that simple.
Well this is how it's going to turn out. First few weeks PuMa will play them, out of respect for his new team. After those few weeks he's just going to put on Busy on his bnet acc and go back to laddering/practicing with his korean pals. Machine and LZ will eventually know whats up and be too intimidated to PM him anymore. Thus all's good.
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On July 21 2011 17:13 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:09 zeru wrote:On July 21 2011 17:05 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:04 Ocedic wrote:On July 21 2011 17:02 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:00 zeru wrote:Dick move, but im not surprised since its EG. On July 21 2011 17:00 danbel1005 wrote:On July 21 2011 16:42 Talin wrote:
Nobody in EG won anything significant recently.
Oh... except Puma I guess. Heh. Oh you ignorant cutie pie. Let me educate u a bit. EG.IdrA "IPL Session 1 Champion"How does that qualify in ur head?... Haters gonna Hate. that was a US-invite only tourney. lol. MLG champion, last foreigner in the last MLG placing 4'th behind MC/losira/mma. Give it a rest you fanboy tool. Ah so saying that Idra has better results then other foreigners as fact is now fanboy? please get a grip. You are wrong, that's what makes it fanboyism when you state incorrect things as facts. Idra does not have better results than other foreigners. He may have good results, but thats about it. Sjow, jinro, whitera, naniwa, fenix all have better and more impressive results, hell even thorzain. I have already said Jinro is up there. Fenix, naniwa, sjow, white ra do NOT have the results Idra have. I am sorry its fact. Big tournaments: Top 8 in every mlg but 1 for Idra Won an MLG qualified for every single GSL tournament made ro8 code S Won IPL season 1 (I agree not the biggest deal sense there were no EU players) Jinro: Won an MLG (hasn't played any others unless I am mistaken?) Made semi finals in GSL code S twice in a row (very impressive) Made ro16 code S (I believe dont' know for sure?) So far I would say idra/jinro have same accomplishments in major tournaments (Jinro making semi finals twice in a row was amazing). But Idra is still more consistent as he almost always makes it far in big tournaments. Huk is getting to jinro/idra in achievements. Huk: ro8 code A Qualified for code S Ro16 code S won an MLG Won dreamhack won homestory cup Those 3 are imo the 3 "best" foreigners in terms of achievements (thorzain only has TSL 3 win how is that better accomplishments then idra/jinro/huk?).
2nd at gamescon
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On July 21 2011 17:14 FryktSkyene wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:12 Bobble wrote:On July 21 2011 17:09 Ocedic wrote:On July 21 2011 17:06 namste wrote:On July 21 2011 17:02 Black[CAT] wrote:
I'm asian. And from our view, Puma has no respect or dignity or class at the very least. Thank you for speaking in behalf of the entire race. Can't wait for what the other races have to say about this, hope they will release press releases soon- The ambassador of Asia has spoken. Just wait a sec, us Caucasians haven't made a decision yet. Dude I told you just wait... "No thats Sung Kim. hes the ambassador (For America) http://blog.angryasianman.com/2011/06/obama-officially-names-sung-kim-as.htmlI shall await his response."
Reminds me of the Dave Chappelle sketch where all the different races decide which black celebrity belongs to which race.
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On July 21 2011 17:15 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:13 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:09 zeru wrote:On July 21 2011 17:05 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:04 Ocedic wrote:On July 21 2011 17:02 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:00 zeru wrote:Dick move, but im not surprised since its EG. On July 21 2011 17:00 danbel1005 wrote:On July 21 2011 16:42 Talin wrote:
Nobody in EG won anything significant recently.
Oh... except Puma I guess. Heh. Oh you ignorant cutie pie. Let me educate u a bit. EG.IdrA "IPL Session 1 Champion"How does that qualify in ur head?... Haters gonna Hate. that was a US-invite only tourney. lol. MLG champion, last foreigner in the last MLG placing 4'th behind MC/losira/mma. Give it a rest you fanboy tool. Ah so saying that Idra has better results then other foreigners as fact is now fanboy? please get a grip. You are wrong, that's what makes it fanboyism when you state incorrect things as facts. Idra does not have better results than other foreigners. He may have good results, but thats about it. Sjow, jinro, whitera, naniwa, fenix all have better and more impressive results, hell even thorzain. I have already said Jinro is up there. Fenix, naniwa, sjow, white ra do NOT have the results Idra have. I am sorry its fact. Big tournaments: Top 8 in every mlg but 1 for Idra Won an MLG qualified for every single GSL tournament made ro8 code S Won IPL season 1 (I agree not the biggest deal sense there were no EU players) Jinro: Won an MLG (hasn't played any others unless I am mistaken?) Made semi finals in GSL code S twice in a row (very impressive) Made ro16 code S (I believe dont' know for sure?) So far I would say idra/jinro have same accomplishments in major tournaments (Jinro making semi finals twice in a row was amazing). But Idra is still more consistent as he almost always makes it far in big tournaments. Huk is getting to jinro/idra in achievements. Huk: ro8 code A Qualified for code S Ro16 code S won an MLG Won dreamhack won homestory cup Those 3 are imo the 3 "best" foreigners in terms of achievements (thorzain only has TSL 3 win how is that better accomplishments then idra/jinro/huk?). You have 5000+ posts on TL and don't know that Jinro went to the ro4 twice in GSL?
read what Isaid, made semi finals TWICE.
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Well, this is a little disappointing. I really hope EG will step up their game and recruit some decent practice partners and a coach that will actually help Puma develop as well, otherwise this is just a fail move and his true potential will become unreachable.
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On July 21 2011 17:15 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:13 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:09 zeru wrote:On July 21 2011 17:05 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:04 Ocedic wrote:On July 21 2011 17:02 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:00 zeru wrote:Dick move, but im not surprised since its EG. On July 21 2011 17:00 danbel1005 wrote:On July 21 2011 16:42 Talin wrote:
Nobody in EG won anything significant recently.
Oh... except Puma I guess. Heh. Oh you ignorant cutie pie. Let me educate u a bit. EG.IdrA "IPL Session 1 Champion"How does that qualify in ur head?... Haters gonna Hate. that was a US-invite only tourney. lol. MLG champion, last foreigner in the last MLG placing 4'th behind MC/losira/mma. Give it a rest you fanboy tool. Ah so saying that Idra has better results then other foreigners as fact is now fanboy? please get a grip. You are wrong, that's what makes it fanboyism when you state incorrect things as facts. Idra does not have better results than other foreigners. He may have good results, but thats about it. Sjow, jinro, whitera, naniwa, fenix all have better and more impressive results, hell even thorzain. I have already said Jinro is up there. Fenix, naniwa, sjow, white ra do NOT have the results Idra have. I am sorry its fact. Big tournaments: Top 8 in every mlg but 1 for Idra Won an MLG qualified for every single GSL tournament made ro8 code S Won IPL season 1 (I agree not the biggest deal sense there were no EU players) Jinro: Won an MLG (hasn't played any others unless I am mistaken?) Made semi finals in GSL code S twice in a row (very impressive) Made ro16 code S (I believe dont' know for sure?) So far I would say idra/jinro have same accomplishments in major tournaments (Jinro making semi finals twice in a row was amazing). But Idra is still more consistent as he almost always makes it far in big tournaments. Huk is getting to jinro/idra in achievements. Huk: ro8 code A Qualified for code S Ro16 code S won an MLG Won dreamhack won homestory cup Those 3 are imo the 3 "best" foreigners in terms of achievements (thorzain only has TSL 3 win how is that better accomplishments then idra/jinro/huk?). You have 5000+ posts on TL and don't know that Jinro went to the ro4 twice in GSL?
RO4 is semifinals
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On July 21 2011 17:13 Jiddra wrote:
Puma leaves a TSL that is falling apart, the Koreans get to feel how it really is to want a GLOBAL star league and not only a "Korean takes foreign money while everyone else is watching".
Time to wake up Korea, shit just got real in the global economi. Will be very interesting to see what will come out of this. There has already been some talks in sweden about the need for some sort of global orgaisation for shit like this to get sorted out.
Now the koreans might also push in that direction, only good things can come out of this deal, and we haven't even heard EGs side of it yet.
Are you serious? Have you read none of the other posts in this thread? And I assume you don't take TSL into consideration when saying that.
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On July 21 2011 17:15 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:13 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:09 zeru wrote:On July 21 2011 17:05 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:04 Ocedic wrote:On July 21 2011 17:02 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:00 zeru wrote:Dick move, but im not surprised since its EG. On July 21 2011 17:00 danbel1005 wrote:On July 21 2011 16:42 Talin wrote:
Nobody in EG won anything significant recently.
Oh... except Puma I guess. Heh. Oh you ignorant cutie pie. Let me educate u a bit. EG.IdrA "IPL Session 1 Champion"How does that qualify in ur head?... Haters gonna Hate. that was a US-invite only tourney. lol. MLG champion, last foreigner in the last MLG placing 4'th behind MC/losira/mma. Give it a rest you fanboy tool. Ah so saying that Idra has better results then other foreigners as fact is now fanboy? please get a grip. You are wrong, that's what makes it fanboyism when you state incorrect things as facts. Idra does not have better results than other foreigners. He may have good results, but thats about it. Sjow, jinro, whitera, naniwa, fenix all have better and more impressive results, hell even thorzain. I have already said Jinro is up there. Fenix, naniwa, sjow, white ra do NOT have the results Idra have. I am sorry its fact. Big tournaments: Top 8 in every mlg but 1 for Idra Won an MLG qualified for every single GSL tournament made ro8 code S Won IPL season 1 (I agree not the biggest deal sense there were no EU players) Jinro: Won an MLG (hasn't played any others unless I am mistaken?) Made semi finals in GSL code S twice in a row (very impressive)Made ro16 code S (I believe dont' know for sure?) So far I would say idra/jinro have same accomplishments in major tournaments (Jinro making semi finals twice in a row was amazing). But Idra is still more consistent as he almost always makes it far in big tournaments. Huk is getting to jinro/idra in achievements. Huk: ro8 code A Qualified for code S Ro16 code S won an MLG Won dreamhack won homestory cup Those 3 are imo the 3 "best" foreigners in terms of achievements (thorzain only has TSL 3 win how is that better accomplishments then idra/jinro/huk?). You have 5000+ posts on TL and don't know that Jinro went to the ro4 twice in GSL?
"Made semi finals in GSL code S twice in a row (very impressive)"
I'm sure he does.
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