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zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 08:11:17
July 21 2011 08:09 GMT
#1541
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Namu
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
July 21 2011 08:09 GMT
#1542
On July 21 2011 17:05 densha wrote:
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On July 21 2011 16:58 Drxz wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:51 densha wrote:
Ok, so EG's response to failing results is to snipe a Korean player. Why not, I dunno, put all those side projects on the side and actually set up a rigid practice schedule? A few custom games a day and the NA ladder are not going to keep you sharp.

Conversely, why would Puma really want to join a foreign team when foreign teams operate in a way that's directly opposed to increasing skill? What I mean is, is that most foreign teams are made up of a few players separated geographically. There just isn't the access to the high level practice partners and the type of training schedule needed to keep up with the Korean teams. Many recent tournament results bear this fact out.

Maybe he's tired of the practice schedule? Maybe he realizes he can cash in internationally right now without the need for constant practice? I just don't know.

Also, I'd just like to say how unprofessionally it appears EG went about this. It also appears they don't have much confidence in their own players and felt the need to seek out a top Korean in order to start winning tournaments again. I guess that's what happens when InControl has 8,000 side projects and IdrA just hates the game. Anyway, disappointing all around.


Does IdrA hate the game? I don't remember him quoting that? do you have an inside source we should all know about?


Here's the source:

http://soundcloud.com/jcmoods/inc1

It was a leaked discussion before a show Inc and Idra used to do. I quote "It's a f**ing terrible game".


well, for idra, everything and everyone is terrible.
i don't really take idra's words seriously...
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
July 21 2011 08:09 GMT
#1543
On July 21 2011 17:07 Qaatar wrote:
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On July 21 2011 17:03 Bleak wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:53 cENTRYZ wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:47 Slakter wrote:
People still seem to think that Puma will benefit from this. Please tell me how. Sure, he will travel a lot of foreigner events and get a lot of money FOR A SHORT TIME. He can live off being amazing and talented for a few months now but after that he´s gonna dissappear as long as EG doesnt get him some good practice, which they cant if they dont put him in a korean house.

The fact that he´s a good player and that you guys are all happy EG picked him up isnt cus he´s korean, it´s cus hes gotten korean training, something he´ll lose now...

This. This. This.


Korea doesn't have something in the tap water and Koreans are not genetically modified to be good at Starcraft.

EG is already installing a team house and they will practice a lot. Saying Puma will disappaer because foreigners can't practice is nothing but blatant elitism.


That practice house in Sweden sure is doing wonders for TLO, Haypro, and crew, huh? I wonder why Naniwa wants to haul ass to Korea so fast, when he has such a great place.


Naniwa wasn't invited... Also he's said long before the pro-house went up that he wanted to go to Korea. Way to make a completely stupid point...
Haydin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1481 Posts
July 21 2011 08:09 GMT
#1544
On July 21 2011 17:04 arbitrageur wrote:
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On July 21 2011 17:01 DystopiaX wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:01 yeint wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:58 Gamegene wrote:
Shit man, is it really that easy to steal a player by offering egregious sums of money without even talking to the team like you should?

I find it extremely shady.


You can steal cars. You can't steal people. Because they are not property.

Stop calling it theft, for fuck's sake.

Breaking contract


Elaborate, and then provide evidence for these assertions. You have such little information in your brain about the incident but you come to such conclusions somehow?.


Breaking a contract only happens if you are not released from the contract. Puma was released from his contract by request.

Also, consider that a player of puma's calibur might not have even been making a salary. $0 vs a steady income. If this is the case (which it may well not be, I'll admit), do people really want to see a top player like him be denied what he deserves?
aka ilovesharkpeople
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
July 21 2011 08:09 GMT
#1545
wow though it's april's fools again after I read the title, wtf nice catch eg
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
July 21 2011 08:09 GMT
#1546
On July 21 2011 17:08 SourD wrote:
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On July 21 2011 17:01 DystopiaX wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:57 W2 wrote:
This is the beginning of the crumbling of Korean SC2 scene. Everything eventually comes down to money/funding, and Korean teams are already small in that aspect, not to mention they have to cover team house and expenses.

With FXO and TSL gone, I can envision the Korean scene being down to 1-2 teams monopolizing the whole region, much like what happened in Wc3. Those teams are the ones with all the big sponsors, and thus all the big players.

Hooray! We are one step further in killing off SC2 in Korea. Go Go Western e-sports! U S A U S A U S A!!!

Alot of teams actually have mainstream companies backing them, so I wouldn't say they're smaller...would need to know more ofc. I know Prime has a chicken deal, which doesn't seem big to us but is like a major endorsment deal in Korea, and even then I'd prefer a mainstream company to sponser me than a niche gaming one like Razer/Steelseries (not that there's anything wrong with them, just seem like comparatively smaller fish)


I disagree.
being a korean, i follow korean SC2 scene alot.
there is no mainstream sponsors as of now. (maybe intel on slayers? not sure)
SC1 on the other hand, does have major sponsors backing them, making them very stable.
Korea SC2 is very small at the moment and alot of teams are having hard time financially to keep them in one piece ( look at fOu team)
in order to have stable SC2 scene in korea, there needs to be major companies backing them(samsung, korean air, shinhan bank..etc.)

btw, Prime team's main sponsor, sabasaba chicken, did not renew their sponsorship after they expired and now Prime team is also without a sponsorship.


IM is sponsored by Coca Cola and Googims. ST is also sponsored by a ton of people.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 08:10:31
July 21 2011 08:09 GMT
#1547
This is awesome news! And something must be going on in TSL if Tester, Fruitdealer and Rain all left as well.
Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
July 21 2011 08:09 GMT
#1548
On July 21 2011 17:08 taLbuk wrote:
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On July 21 2011 17:06 eggs wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:04 taLbuk wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:02 zeru wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:02 blade55555 wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:00 zeru wrote:
Dick move, but im not surprised since its EG.
On July 21 2011 17:00 danbel1005 wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:42 Talin wrote:
Nobody in EG won anything significant recently.

Oh... except Puma I guess. Heh.


Oh you ignorant cutie pie.
Let me educate u a bit.

EG.IdrA "IPL Session 1 Champion"
How does that qualify in ur head?...
Haters gonna Hate.

that was a US-invite only tourney. lol.


MLG champion, last foreigner in the last MLG placing 4'th behind MC/losira/mma.

Since when is getting 4th an achievement.


getting 4th behind 3 koreans isn't an acheivment? not to mention the highest placing foreigner zerg at 6 outof the last 7 major tournaments he's been to?


"highest placing foreigner zerg"
reminds me of terrible wow guilds saying things like: US Alliance First Kill using a Druid MT on an RP server with Med-Low population!


while i see your logic, you can't be telling me that being the highest placing foreign zerg in highly competitive international tournaments means your "doing bad" as the original quote infers.


It's called expectations. People expect idra to win tournaments. He hasn't done that. Therefore he's doing bad.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 08:10:23
July 21 2011 08:09 GMT
#1549
On July 21 2011 17:08 SourD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 17:01 DystopiaX wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:57 W2 wrote:
This is the beginning of the crumbling of Korean SC2 scene. Everything eventually comes down to money/funding, and Korean teams are already small in that aspect, not to mention they have to cover team house and expenses.

With FXO and TSL gone, I can envision the Korean scene being down to 1-2 teams monopolizing the whole region, much like what happened in Wc3. Those teams are the ones with all the big sponsors, and thus all the big players.

Hooray! We are one step further in killing off SC2 in Korea. Go Go Western e-sports! U S A U S A U S A!!!

Alot of teams actually have mainstream companies backing them, so I wouldn't say they're smaller...would need to know more ofc. I know Prime has a chicken deal, which doesn't seem big to us but is like a major endorsment deal in Korea, and even then I'd prefer a mainstream company to sponser me than a niche gaming one like Razer/Steelseries (not that there's anything wrong with them, just seem like comparatively smaller fish)


I disagree.
being a korean, i follow korean SC2 scene alot.
there is no mainstream sponsors as of now. (maybe intel on slayers? not sure)
SC1 on the other hand, does have major sponsors backing them, making them very stable.
Korea SC2 is very small at the moment and alot of teams are having hard time financially to keep them in one piece ( look at fOu team)
in order to have stable SC2 scene in korea, there needs to be major companies backing them(samsung, korean air, shinhan bank..etc.)

btw, Prime team's main sponsor, sabasaba chicken, did not renew their sponsorship after they expired and now Prime team is also without a sponsorship.

Good to know thanks for the correction, for those teams at least, but wasn't IM or someone sponsored by Coke? Pretty major company IMO./
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
July 21 2011 08:09 GMT
#1550
On July 21 2011 17:05 T0fuuu wrote:
Going to wait till I watch lo3 before I jump to any conclusions. After scoots talked about sk/fnatic not doing things the right way and then supposedly stealing puma there must be a good reason OR scoots is scum. I would like to believe the former.

I hope it was just something like puma not being a salaried player and as such not being contractually bound to the team. Surprisingly there wasnt a similar reaction when fd and trickster left tsl.

The difference is that FD and Trickster both left with the blessings of the TSL coach. So much so that Trickster, when he was trying to find a team to join, actually still consulted with his old coach to figure out what type of environment would suit him best and factored that into his decision.
PHC
Profile Joined March 2011
United States472 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 08:10:10
July 21 2011 08:09 GMT
#1551
On July 21 2011 17:07 Bleak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 17:05 BasedSwag wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:03 Bleak wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:53 cENTRYZ wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:47 Slakter wrote:
People still seem to think that Puma will benefit from this. Please tell me how. Sure, he will travel a lot of foreigner events and get a lot of money FOR A SHORT TIME. He can live off being amazing and talented for a few months now but after that he´s gonna dissappear as long as EG doesnt get him some good practice, which they cant if they dont put him in a korean house.

The fact that he´s a good player and that you guys are all happy EG picked him up isnt cus he´s korean, it´s cus hes gotten korean training, something he´ll lose now...

This. This. This.


Korea doesn't have something in the tap water and Koreans are not genetically modified to be good at Starcraft.

EG is already installing a team house and they will practice a lot. Saying Puma will disappaer because foreigners can't practice is nothing but blatant elitism.


Part of practising is talking to other people about your games & Starcraft, who else on EG speaks Korean?


Oh cmon, you don't have to speak Shakespearen English to talk about Starcraft. And I'm sure he will have his translator.



Although true that Starcraft is the only language required, where did you read that Puma will a translator with EG? Just curious.
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3006 Posts
July 21 2011 08:10 GMT
#1552
Dare I say...aggressive recruiting? lol
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
July 21 2011 08:10 GMT
#1553
On July 21 2011 17:08 SourD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 17:01 DystopiaX wrote:
On July 21 2011 16:57 W2 wrote:
This is the beginning of the crumbling of Korean SC2 scene. Everything eventually comes down to money/funding, and Korean teams are already small in that aspect, not to mention they have to cover team house and expenses.

With FXO and TSL gone, I can envision the Korean scene being down to 1-2 teams monopolizing the whole region, much like what happened in Wc3. Those teams are the ones with all the big sponsors, and thus all the big players.

Hooray! We are one step further in killing off SC2 in Korea. Go Go Western e-sports! U S A U S A U S A!!!

Alot of teams actually have mainstream companies backing them, so I wouldn't say they're smaller...would need to know more ofc. I know Prime has a chicken deal, which doesn't seem big to us but is like a major endorsment deal in Korea, and even then I'd prefer a mainstream company to sponser me than a niche gaming one like Razer/Steelseries (not that there's anything wrong with them, just seem like comparatively smaller fish)


I disagree.
being a korean, i follow korean SC2 scene alot.
there is no mainstream sponsors as of now. (maybe intel on slayers? not sure)
SC1 on the other hand, does have major sponsors backing them, making them very stable.
Korea SC2 is very small at the moment and alot of teams are having hard time financially to keep them in one piece ( look at fOu team)
in order to have stable SC2 scene in korea, there needs to be major companies backing them(samsung, korean air, shinhan bank..etc.)

btw, Prime team's main sponsor, sabasaba chicken, did not renew their sponsorship after they expired and now Prime team is also without a sponsorship.

Well Coca Cola is sponsoring IM now. But I'm not familiar with any others really.

EG does have a mainstream sponsor as well. Monster.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
Lifter
Profile Joined April 2011
United States126 Posts
July 21 2011 08:10 GMT
#1554
On July 21 2011 17:08 IceSlipper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 17:07 Lifter wrote:
Chinese thought the same thing about Bruce Lee when he taught foreigners how to fight...

LOL they thought foreigners were disgusting for signing a contracted teacher? ahaha so far off the mark


It was a joke... moron

User was warned for this post
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
July 21 2011 08:10 GMT
#1555
On July 21 2011 17:09 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 17:05 T0fuuu wrote:
Going to wait till I watch lo3 before I jump to any conclusions. After scoots talked about sk/fnatic not doing things the right way and then supposedly stealing puma there must be a good reason OR scoots is scum. I would like to believe the former.

I hope it was just something like puma not being a salaried player and as such not being contractually bound to the team. Surprisingly there wasnt a similar reaction when fd and trickster left tsl.

The difference is that FD and Trickster both left with the blessings of the TSL coach. So much so that Trickster, when he was trying to find a team to join, actually still consulted with his old coach to figure out what type of environment would suit him best and factored that into his decision.


That's a great point and hopefully it will shut up the people saying, "Haha well I guess the TSL coach must be doing something wrong since he's been losing players left and right!"
SwirlQ
Profile Joined February 2011
United States148 Posts
July 21 2011 08:10 GMT
#1556
This thread has almost as many pages as http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=100673 O_o
ineq
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden376 Posts
July 21 2011 08:11 GMT
#1557
This is atleast more respectable than what SK did with MC an NaDa.
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trikshun
Profile Joined October 2010
United States437 Posts
July 21 2011 08:11 GMT
#1558
Can someone translate this? KillerShin 신상호
마음 맞는 사람들이 뭉쳐서 의지하고 믿고 신뢰를 바탕으로 오해는 오래 안 가고 시끌벅적하게 돌아가는 바닥의 생태계 경계심을 풀게 Cause nobodies fuckin perfect!
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
July 21 2011 08:11 GMT
#1559
Would be crazy if EG had more players incoming. Puma on EG makes EG awesome but doesnt necessarily give Puma the resources in terms of practice partners. Perhaps there is more to come and maybe EG is trying to set up a korean based team.
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
FryktSkyene
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1327 Posts
July 21 2011 08:11 GMT
#1560
On July 21 2011 17:09 Ocedic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 17:06 namste wrote:
On July 21 2011 17:02 Black[CAT] wrote:
I'm asian. And from our view, Puma has no respect or dignity or class at the very least.


Thank you for speaking in behalf of the entire race. Can't wait for what the other races have to say about this, hope they will release press releases soon-


The ambassador of Asia has spoken.



No thats Sung Kim.
hes the ambassador (For America)

http://blog.angryasianman.com/2011/06/obama-officially-names-sung-kim-as.html

I shall await his response.
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