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On July 21 2011 17:05 BasedSwag wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:03 Bleak wrote:On July 21 2011 16:53 cENTRYZ wrote:On July 21 2011 16:47 Slakter wrote: People still seem to think that Puma will benefit from this. Please tell me how. Sure, he will travel a lot of foreigner events and get a lot of money FOR A SHORT TIME. He can live off being amazing and talented for a few months now but after that he´s gonna dissappear as long as EG doesnt get him some good practice, which they cant if they dont put him in a korean house.
The fact that he´s a good player and that you guys are all happy EG picked him up isnt cus he´s korean, it´s cus hes gotten korean training, something he´ll lose now... This. This. This. Korea doesn't have something in the tap water and Koreans are not genetically modified to be good at Starcraft. EG is already installing a team house and they will practice a lot. Saying Puma will disappaer because foreigners can't practice is nothing but blatant elitism. Part of practising is talking to other people about your games & Starcraft, who else on EG speaks Korean?
Oh cmon, you don't have to speak Shakespearen English to talk about Starcraft. And I'm sure he will have his translator.
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On July 21 2011 17:05 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:04 Ocedic wrote:On July 21 2011 17:02 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:00 zeru wrote:Dick move, but im not surprised since its EG. On July 21 2011 17:00 danbel1005 wrote:On July 21 2011 16:42 Talin wrote: Nobody in EG won anything significant recently.
Oh... except Puma I guess. Heh. Oh you ignorant cutie pie. Let me educate u a bit. EG.IdrA "IPL Session 1 Champion"How does that qualify in ur head?... Haters gonna Hate. that was a US-invite only tourney. lol. MLG champion, last foreigner in the last MLG placing 4'th behind MC/losira/mma. Give it a rest you fanboy tool. Every single time idra plays a game you are in the live report thread bashing him even before any "fanboys" say anything.... It's like you have a obsession or something. Stop changing the topic, this is about puma.
You should read further down the quote chain before you accuse me of changing the topic.
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On July 21 2011 17:06 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:04 arbitrageur wrote:On July 21 2011 17:01 DystopiaX wrote:On July 21 2011 17:01 yeint wrote:On July 21 2011 16:58 Gamegene wrote: Shit man, is it really that easy to steal a player by offering egregious sums of money without even talking to the team like you should?
I find it extremely shady. You can steal cars. You can't steal people. Because they are not property. Stop calling it theft, for fuck's sake. Breaking contract Elaborate, and then provide evidence for these assertions. You have such little information in your brain about the incident but you come to such conclusions somehow?. I said if, or way to delete the rest of my post. I do not know for sure, but that is a distinct possibility and the person who I was quoting and many of the other people here are not taking that into consideration, or don't even know that Korean teams have contracts.
Everything I've read says the mgnt let Puma go, and hence no breach of contract. Do you possess information that implies, or says, otherwise?
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On July 21 2011 17:03 eggs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:02 zeru wrote:On July 21 2011 17:02 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:00 zeru wrote:Dick move, but im not surprised since its EG. On July 21 2011 17:00 danbel1005 wrote:On July 21 2011 16:42 Talin wrote: Nobody in EG won anything significant recently.
Oh... except Puma I guess. Heh. Oh you ignorant cutie pie. Let me educate u a bit. EG.IdrA "IPL Session 1 Champion"How does that qualify in ur head?... Haters gonna Hate. that was a US-invite only tourney. lol. MLG champion, last foreigner in the last MLG placing 4'th behind MC/losira/mma. Since when is getting 4th an achievement. incontrol makes a huge deal out of his pre-korean 4th regularly
Not to mention his achievement of being 5 times bigger than anyone else at the GSL qualifiers. He didn't qualify tho =/
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IMO, a bit low of PuMa to leave like that, and just as low of EG to poach a player without speaking with the coach. While he wont' disappear, it'll be interesting to see if he can keep up his skill level
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I'm sad and I hope that both PuMa & TSL make it out of this alright. It doesn't seem like PuMa will be forgiven quickly by any Koreans, and maybe they're right. At the same time, PuMa probably made the best decision (only he knows what that is) - who knows, maybe he did it for the love that his foreign fans showed him at NASL.
I don't really know how to react but through this:
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On July 21 2011 17:01 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 16:57 W2 wrote: This is the beginning of the crumbling of Korean SC2 scene. Everything eventually comes down to money/funding, and Korean teams are already small in that aspect, not to mention they have to cover team house and expenses.
With FXO and TSL gone, I can envision the Korean scene being down to 1-2 teams monopolizing the whole region, much like what happened in Wc3. Those teams are the ones with all the big sponsors, and thus all the big players.
Hooray! We are one step further in killing off SC2 in Korea. Go Go Western e-sports! U S A U S A U S A!!! Alot of teams actually have mainstream companies backing them, so I wouldn't say they're smaller...would need to know more ofc. I know Prime has a chicken deal, which doesn't seem big to us but is like a major endorsment deal in Korea, and even then I'd prefer a mainstream company to sponser me than a niche gaming one like Razer/Steelseries (not that there's anything wrong with them, just seem like comparatively smaller fish)
I disagree. being a korean, i follow korean SC2 scene alot. there is no mainstream sponsors as of now. (maybe intel on slayers? not sure) SC1 on the other hand, does have major sponsors backing them, making them very stable. Korea SC2 is very small at the moment and alot of teams are having hard time financially to keep them in one piece ( look at fOu team) in order to have stable SC2 scene in korea, there needs to be major companies backing them(samsung, korean air, shinhan bank..etc.)
btw, Prime team's main sponsor, sabasaba chicken, did not renew their sponsorship after they expired and now Prime team is also without a sponsorship.
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On July 21 2011 17:06 eggs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:04 taLbuk wrote:On July 21 2011 17:02 zeru wrote:On July 21 2011 17:02 blade55555 wrote:On July 21 2011 17:00 zeru wrote:Dick move, but im not surprised since its EG. On July 21 2011 17:00 danbel1005 wrote:On July 21 2011 16:42 Talin wrote: Nobody in EG won anything significant recently.
Oh... except Puma I guess. Heh. Oh you ignorant cutie pie. Let me educate u a bit. EG.IdrA "IPL Session 1 Champion"How does that qualify in ur head?... Haters gonna Hate. that was a US-invite only tourney. lol. MLG champion, last foreigner in the last MLG placing 4'th behind MC/losira/mma. Since when is getting 4th an achievement. getting 4th behind 3 koreans isn't an acheivment? not to mention the highest placing foreigner zerg at 6 outof the last 7 major tournaments he's been to? "highest placing foreigner zerg" reminds me of terrible wow guilds saying things like: US Alliance First Kill using a Druid MT on an RP server with Med-Low population!
while i see your logic, you can't be telling me that being the highest placing foreign zerg in highly competitive international tournaments means your "doing bad" as the original quote infers.
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TSL just got NTR'd by Puma, dayum.
In all seriousness, this does make Puma and EG look a bit bad but regardless, best of luck to them.
Also, I hope TSL can get it back together and come back stronger even without Puma, FD and Trickster.
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On July 21 2011 17:07 Lifter wrote: Chinese thought the same thing about Bruce Lee when he taught foreigners how to fight... LOL they thought foreigners were disgusting for signing a contracted teacher? ahaha so far off the mark
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On July 21 2011 17:07 PHC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:03 Bleak wrote:On July 21 2011 16:53 cENTRYZ wrote:On July 21 2011 16:47 Slakter wrote: People still seem to think that Puma will benefit from this. Please tell me how. Sure, he will travel a lot of foreigner events and get a lot of money FOR A SHORT TIME. He can live off being amazing and talented for a few months now but after that he´s gonna dissappear as long as EG doesnt get him some good practice, which they cant if they dont put him in a korean house.
The fact that he´s a good player and that you guys are all happy EG picked him up isnt cus he´s korean, it´s cus hes gotten korean training, something he´ll lose now... This. This. This. Korea doesn't have something in the tap water and Koreans are not genetically modified to be good at Starcraft.EG is already installing a team house and they will practice a lot. Saying Puma will disappaer because foreigners can't practice is nothing but blatant elitism. He never said that Koreans are genetically superior at Starcraft. Quite the opposite. And it's well-documented that Korean training is what's needed to stay at the top.
But you need good players for a team house to work. (Or a good server [Korean])
EG has neither.
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Contract or no contract, going behind a player's team and coach is bad sportmanship at the very least, and fosters bad relations even if the player already wanted to leave his current team. Granted this is a category for which bussiness doesn't give a jack about.
Personally, I do not watch SC2 or eSports to root for a take-no-prisoners type of a company, I watch it to root for a team. EG with its decisions has shown to me on a couple of occasions that it is foremost a company, which for me personally reflects badly on the team and their players.
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How will puma be able to train now he has no more korean partner? With NA players? lol
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TSL...
It's good news for EG no doubt but I am curious about how much this affects TSL as a team.
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On July 21 2011 17:06 Termit wrote: I hate how so many korean is tempted by all the money and wanna come "here" (outside of korea). Don't they realize how our training situation looks like?! Sure they may cash in some money now but in the end they will fall behind BIG TIME because their training won't be anything compared to the players and teams who still plays GSL and practice there. It looks even worse for PuMa now when he seems to get alot of shit from players in Korea. Pitty. More speculation but I have to wonder if foreign Sc2 scene will be as huge 5 or 10 years from now...we seem to drop/change through games further and maybe by the time all teh expansions have been out for awhile there won't be 50k prizes anymore and SK will be the place to be, except now they'll all be out of practice.
Who knows, I certainly hope that doesn't happen but I'd consider the GSL to be far more stable than an NASL or even MLG, who has been known to drop unpopular games.
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sorry to ask this. But I don't understand. Why are people getting temp banned for writing f and then five? Am I just not nerd enough? I still have a ways to go..
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I don't understand how "Gentleman" could even participate in the GSTL and look at his coach in the eyes.
It's disgusting.
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On July 21 2011 17:06 namste wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 17:02 Black[CAT] wrote: I'm asian. And from our view, Puma has no respect or dignity or class at the very least. Thank you for speaking in behalf of the entire race. Can't wait for what the other races have to say about this, hope they will release press releases soon-
The ambassador of Asia has spoken.
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EG has not broken any contract, nor could they have - they didn't have any existing relationship with Puma or TSL.
Puma MAY have not honored his contract by forcing his way out, which would be bad, but we don't know that. It could have been a contract that allowed termination from either side at any time - some contracts are like that.
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