|
On July 24 2011 01:49 svarog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 01:43 snakeeyez wrote:
I do not see this situation as any different then when you work at your current job, and without the boss permission you go to interview at a different company and then get hired and quite your current job. Yes your current company and boss are surprised or disappointed but hey that is life. You have to be in it to win it and make your own decisions right or wrong. Do Koreans think its right or wrong? I dont know and that is something Puma had to decide, but from a legal stand point Puma can do whatever the hell he wants. If I was your boss and you were sent with company money somewhere to represent the company, and in that time you were negotiating another employment (i.e. not using that time to promote the company/sponsors and do your actual job), I'd sue your ass, contract or no contract, and chances are I'd win. PuMa got off easy, and what he and EG did was wrong.
yeah you cant sue someone for looking for employment. he did what he was sent to do, He won. and he found himself a nice little deal during his visit so gg puma. qq people who dont understand laws.
|
On July 24 2011 01:51 GoStyle wrote:Show nested quote +
If I was your boss and you were sent with company money somewhere to represent the company, and in that time you were negotiating another employment (i.e. not using that time to promote the company/sponsors and do your actual job), I'd sue your ass, contract or no contract, and chances are I'd win. PuMa got off easy, and what he and EG did was wrong.
Yup, well said
Except that's a strawman argument because TSL was not Puma's boss. TSL didn't own Puma. TSL didn't contract Puma. Puma was a free agent. TSL clearly wasn't even supporting Puma with a good enough lifestyle, considering EG made an offer and Puma thought it was a fair one. So he took it. That's how things work in real life.
And if there's no contract, then there's no legally binding agreement that says an employee has to work for an employer -.-' So your hypothetical "sue your ass and win my case" is ridiculous.
|
On July 24 2011 02:00 Twoinches wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 01:49 svarog wrote:On July 24 2011 01:43 snakeeyez wrote:
I do not see this situation as any different then when you work at your current job, and without the boss permission you go to interview at a different company and then get hired and quite your current job. Yes your current company and boss are surprised or disappointed but hey that is life. You have to be in it to win it and make your own decisions right or wrong. Do Koreans think its right or wrong? I dont know and that is something Puma had to decide, but from a legal stand point Puma can do whatever the hell he wants. If I was your boss and you were sent with company money somewhere to represent the company, and in that time you were negotiating another employment (i.e. not using that time to promote the company/sponsors and do your actual job), I'd sue your ass, contract or no contract, and chances are I'd win. PuMa got off easy, and what he and EG did was wrong. yeah you cant sue someone for looking for employment. he did what he was sent to do, He won. and he found himself a nice little deal during his visit so gg puma. qq people who dont understand laws.
This is not true. A player's job isn't to win because if it was all other players failed and should be fired. A players job is to represent his team and their sponsors. That job doesn't begin with the start of the games and end with the "gg". So instead of using the time to promote team and sponsors he was searching for employment, on company time. And this is surely winable in any court.
|
On July 24 2011 01:51 GoStyle wrote:Show nested quote +
If I was your boss and you were sent with company money somewhere to represent the company, and in that time you were negotiating another employment (i.e. not using that time to promote the company/sponsors and do your actual job), I'd sue your ass, contract or no contract, and chances are I'd win. PuMa got off easy, and what he and EG did was wrong.
Yup, well said
Are you kidding me? If he has no contract he has no obligation to promote his team or anything. And it's not like PuMa took off his TSL jersey and put on an EG one at NASL. He still did a pretty damn good job of representing TSL at NASL (by winning and having TSLs jersey/name splattered everywhere).
PuMa is in no way wrong here. He saw an opportunity and took it. It might be motivated by greed but that doesn't make his actions deplorable or illegal. All business transactions are motivated by greed. I'm sure coach lee is more pissed off at himself for not having player contracts than anything else. He knows this entire situation could have been avoided if he entered a proper agreement with his player. If that were the case, PuMa would have said he was on contract and EG would have backed off. End of discussion.
And how is EG in the wrong here? They see a free agent star player and offer him a deal. It's the same thing as the business world... do companies go around talking to each other about potential employees? Of course not. They just offer people contracts/jobs and they accept/refuse based on whatever they want. But they certainly don't go to that persons employer and ask if its ok.
Some of you need to get your head out of your asses and understand that e-sports is a business. And from a strictly business standpoint, no party was in the wrong here.
|
On July 24 2011 02:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 01:51 GoStyle wrote:
If I was your boss and you were sent with company money somewhere to represent the company, and in that time you were negotiating another employment (i.e. not using that time to promote the company/sponsors and do your actual job), I'd sue your ass, contract or no contract, and chances are I'd win. PuMa got off easy, and what he and EG did was wrong.
Yup, well said Except that's a strawman argument because TSL was not Puma's boss. TSL didn't own Puma. TSL didn't contract Puma. Puma was a free agent. TSL clearly wasn't even supporting Puma with a good enough lifestyle, considering EG made an offer and Puma thought it was a fair one. So he took it. That's how things work in real life. And if there's no contract, then there's no legally binding agreement that says an employee has to work for an employer -.-' So your hypothetical "sue your ass and win my case" is ridiculous.
If TSL payed Puma's expenses for the NASL, and Puma was there representing TSL not himself, then in every way possible TSL was his boss on this event.
|
On July 24 2011 02:03 svarog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 02:00 Twoinches wrote:On July 24 2011 01:49 svarog wrote:On July 24 2011 01:43 snakeeyez wrote:
I do not see this situation as any different then when you work at your current job, and without the boss permission you go to interview at a different company and then get hired and quite your current job. Yes your current company and boss are surprised or disappointed but hey that is life. You have to be in it to win it and make your own decisions right or wrong. Do Koreans think its right or wrong? I dont know and that is something Puma had to decide, but from a legal stand point Puma can do whatever the hell he wants. If I was your boss and you were sent with company money somewhere to represent the company, and in that time you were negotiating another employment (i.e. not using that time to promote the company/sponsors and do your actual job), I'd sue your ass, contract or no contract, and chances are I'd win. PuMa got off easy, and what he and EG did was wrong. yeah you cant sue someone for looking for employment. he did what he was sent to do, He won. and he found himself a nice little deal during his visit so gg puma. qq people who dont understand laws. This is not true. A player's job isn't to win because if it was all other players failed and should be fired. A players job is to represent his team and their sponsors. That job doesn't begin with the start of the games and end with the "gg". So instead of using the time to promote team and sponsors he was searching for employment, on company time. And this is surely winable in any court.
No it's not. There was no contract. How can anything be winable in court? And even if there was, the contract surely won't stipulate what times of day he is actually working for the sponsor and what times of day he isn't. I think we can both agree that the player should not be responsible for representing his company 24 hours a day while he is at an event. He should certainly be given time to eat/sleep/free time to do whatever he pleases.
|
If TSL payed for the trip to the NASL in any way, then yes he was on a business trip for that team, and thus should not be able to have this happen. If im payed by blockbuster to go to los angeles to play a blockbuster clip. then guess what no matter what you say its wrong for me to say well i think ill go to best buy now because they talked to me out here. Even if i dont have a contract stating otherwise, its a moral issue as well. Bad on EG and on Puma
|
On July 24 2011 02:08 CKHound wrote:
If TSL payed for the trip to the NASL in any way, then yes he was on a business trip for that team, and thus should not be able to have this happen. If im payed by blockbuster to go to los angeles to play a blockbuster clip. then guess what no matter what you say its wrong for me to say well i think ill go to best buy now because they talked to me out here. Even if i dont have a contract stating otherwise, its a moral issue as well. Bad on EG and on Puma
+1
User was warned for this post
|
On July 24 2011 02:06 DoomsVille wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 02:03 svarog wrote:On July 24 2011 02:00 Twoinches wrote:On July 24 2011 01:49 svarog wrote:On July 24 2011 01:43 snakeeyez wrote:
I do not see this situation as any different then when you work at your current job, and without the boss permission you go to interview at a different company and then get hired and quite your current job. Yes your current company and boss are surprised or disappointed but hey that is life. You have to be in it to win it and make your own decisions right or wrong. Do Koreans think its right or wrong? I dont know and that is something Puma had to decide, but from a legal stand point Puma can do whatever the hell he wants. If I was your boss and you were sent with company money somewhere to represent the company, and in that time you were negotiating another employment (i.e. not using that time to promote the company/sponsors and do your actual job), I'd sue your ass, contract or no contract, and chances are I'd win. PuMa got off easy, and what he and EG did was wrong. yeah you cant sue someone for looking for employment. he did what he was sent to do, He won. and he found himself a nice little deal during his visit so gg puma. qq people who dont understand laws. This is not true. A player's job isn't to win because if it was all other players failed and should be fired. A players job is to represent his team and their sponsors. That job doesn't begin with the start of the games and end with the "gg". So instead of using the time to promote team and sponsors he was searching for employment, on company time. And this is surely winable in any court. No it's not. There was no contract. How can anything be winable in court? And even if there was, the contract surely won't stipulate what times of day he is actually working for the sponsor and what times of day he isn't. I think we can both agree that the player should not be responsible for representing his company 24 hours a day while he is at an event. He should certainly be given time to eat/sleep/free time to do whatever he pleases.
But you fail to understand what has been stated numerous times in this thread, contracts do not have to be always in written form. And it can easily be argued that even though he might not be obligated to represent team/sponsor 24 hours a day, TSL clearly didn't send him there to do something that is directly damaging to the immediate and future interests of the team (which includes negotiating for another employment).
|
On July 24 2011 01:06 GoStyle wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 00:42 speedphlux wrote:
Well, I know from now on I'll be boycotting EG players when they're on a stream in a tournament. If they get featured in a show like The Day[J] Daily, I will also not watch. And I will surely think twice before the next Weapon of Choice and Live on 3 with djWHEAT.
I know that this means just -1 stream viewer, which is a drop in the ocean, but I recon there are others who think like me. I duno about boycotting but ill defo be rooting for the opponent of EG players from now on. First time iv watched WoC and itll be my last as well
Honestly I like DJWheat and his show. I've always thought it was way better than SOTG, because it was serious about gaming and sc2 and not sotg"frat house" joking show with maybe 20 mins about sc2. But I do agree with the above poster, I will be boycotting and rooting against certain things from now on.
|
On July 24 2011 02:04 svarog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 02:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 24 2011 01:51 GoStyle wrote:
If I was your boss and you were sent with company money somewhere to represent the company, and in that time you were negotiating another employment (i.e. not using that time to promote the company/sponsors and do your actual job), I'd sue your ass, contract or no contract, and chances are I'd win. PuMa got off easy, and what he and EG did was wrong.
Yup, well said Except that's a strawman argument because TSL was not Puma's boss. TSL didn't own Puma. TSL didn't contract Puma. Puma was a free agent. TSL clearly wasn't even supporting Puma with a good enough lifestyle, considering EG made an offer and Puma thought it was a fair one. So he took it. That's how things work in real life. And if there's no contract, then there's no legally binding agreement that says an employee has to work for an employer -.-' So your hypothetical "sue your ass and win my case" is ridiculous. If TSL payed Puma's expenses for the NASL, and Puma was there representing TSL not himself, then in every way possible TSL was his boss on this event.
Did you not read what I wrote? There was no contract. There is no boss here. Puma was doing TSL a favor, and now he's finally going to be on a team. Team EG.
If I'm hosting an ultimate frisbee tournament at a field by my house, and I pay for your cab drive over and you agree to play for free as a member on my team because we're bff's... and then after the game some other team captain offers you money to play for their team (because you're awesome) and you thank me for the opportunity to play but tell me you're gonna go play for the other team from now on... I don't get to command you to stay with me forever *because I'm your boss*.
You did me a favor, and now you're actually going into a secure and well-paid position.
We can still be bff's though.
|
On July 24 2011 02:00 Twoinches wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 01:49 svarog wrote:On July 24 2011 01:43 snakeeyez wrote:
I do not see this situation as any different then when you work at your current job, and without the boss permission you go to interview at a different company and then get hired and quite your current job. Yes your current company and boss are surprised or disappointed but hey that is life. You have to be in it to win it and make your own decisions right or wrong. Do Koreans think its right or wrong? I dont know and that is something Puma had to decide, but from a legal stand point Puma can do whatever the hell he wants. If I was your boss and you were sent with company money somewhere to represent the company, and in that time you were negotiating another employment (i.e. not using that time to promote the company/sponsors and do your actual job), I'd sue your ass, contract or no contract, and chances are I'd win. PuMa got off easy, and what he and EG did was wrong. yeah you cant sue someone for looking for employment. he did what he was sent to do, He won. and he found himself a nice little deal during his visit so gg puma. qq people who dont understand laws.
lol, don't understand laws. maybe it's you who don't understand how business in real life works. one thing you don't want to do is burning bridges left and right because you never know when or how you are going to be in need of some help.
I knew a guy who was making approximately $130,000 a year. He wasn't married, no kids, and was living a pretty good life. Then he decided to take another job for $250,000 a year. Nice promotion right? Well, he thought so, but he did it while backstabbing everyone in the management. He just bolted one day, and the management found out that he kept the whole thing in secret. In other words, he burned the bridge with his previous company. He was pretty happy with his new job and didn't care a flip about what his previous company thought of him then. However, after two years his new company went under, and he was certainly put into a job searching mode. Also, it just so happened that his previous company had a position available for his type of skill (while paying decent salary). He soon contacted his previous management about the opening. Guess who got the job in the end? Definitely not him.
|
Being myself kind of a Starcraft noob, I had never heard of TSL until I tuned in to NASL finals and watched PuMa come out wearing there jersey and wave it around a little at the crowd. Now I know about them, and know they also have some other great players that I'm interested in. Seems like a job well done to me. Did he really waste that much valuable advertising time thinking about EG? If he did then I'm sorry, but it seems totally reasonable to receive and accept the better deal, while still doing his job very well, from my perspective.
Congratulations to him, If he wants it, and deserves it, then he should get it.
|
On July 24 2011 02:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 02:04 svarog wrote:On July 24 2011 02:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 24 2011 01:51 GoStyle wrote:
If I was your boss and you were sent with company money somewhere to represent the company, and in that time you were negotiating another employment (i.e. not using that time to promote the company/sponsors and do your actual job), I'd sue your ass, contract or no contract, and chances are I'd win. PuMa got off easy, and what he and EG did was wrong.
Yup, well said Except that's a strawman argument because TSL was not Puma's boss. TSL didn't own Puma. TSL didn't contract Puma. Puma was a free agent. TSL clearly wasn't even supporting Puma with a good enough lifestyle, considering EG made an offer and Puma thought it was a fair one. So he took it. That's how things work in real life. And if there's no contract, then there's no legally binding agreement that says an employee has to work for an employer -.-' So your hypothetical "sue your ass and win my case" is ridiculous. If TSL payed Puma's expenses for the NASL, and Puma was there representing TSL not himself, then in every way possible TSL was his boss on this event. Did you not read what I wrote? There was no contract. There is no boss here. Puma was doing TSL a favor, and now he's finally going to be on a team. Team EG. If I'm hosting an ultimate frisbee tournament at a field by my house, and I pay for your cab drive over and you agree to play for free as a member on my team because we're bff's... and then after the game some other team captain offers you money to play for their team (because you're awesome) and you thank me for the opportunity to play but tell me you're gonna go play for the other team from now on... I don't get to command you to stay with me *because I'm your boss*. You did me a favor, and now you're actually going into a secure and well-paid position.
First, the cab ride alone costs is in the upwards of 3k dollars. Second, for the past year I have been living and eating in your house at your expense to get so awesome at ultimate frisbee. I get to do this because I wear your jersy that promotes your mom's cookies to the neighbourhood when we play on the open field. And lastly, this is the first time we play in the field, not like before in the backyard. And you're right, you don't get to command me to stay, but you and your mom can be rather pissed about my decision because it is a disrespectful one. And you could say that I am what I am because you did me the favor and I shafted you the first moment I was in the position to help you back in return (i.e. advertise your mom's cookies).
I hope you can see the perspective better now. Contracts do not need always to be in written form, all laws allow for this. It is just harder to prove a contract if it isn't in writing.
|
On July 24 2011 02:12 svarog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 02:06 DoomsVille wrote:On July 24 2011 02:03 svarog wrote:On July 24 2011 02:00 Twoinches wrote:On July 24 2011 01:49 svarog wrote:On July 24 2011 01:43 snakeeyez wrote:
I do not see this situation as any different then when you work at your current job, and without the boss permission you go to interview at a different company and then get hired and quite your current job. Yes your current company and boss are surprised or disappointed but hey that is life. You have to be in it to win it and make your own decisions right or wrong. Do Koreans think its right or wrong? I dont know and that is something Puma had to decide, but from a legal stand point Puma can do whatever the hell he wants. If I was your boss and you were sent with company money somewhere to represent the company, and in that time you were negotiating another employment (i.e. not using that time to promote the company/sponsors and do your actual job), I'd sue your ass, contract or no contract, and chances are I'd win. PuMa got off easy, and what he and EG did was wrong. yeah you cant sue someone for looking for employment. he did what he was sent to do, He won. and he found himself a nice little deal during his visit so gg puma. qq people who dont understand laws. This is not true. A player's job isn't to win because if it was all other players failed and should be fired. A players job is to represent his team and their sponsors. That job doesn't begin with the start of the games and end with the "gg". So instead of using the time to promote team and sponsors he was searching for employment, on company time. And this is surely winable in any court. No it's not. There was no contract. How can anything be winable in court? And even if there was, the contract surely won't stipulate what times of day he is actually working for the sponsor and what times of day he isn't. I think we can both agree that the player should not be responsible for representing his company 24 hours a day while he is at an event. He should certainly be given time to eat/sleep/free time to do whatever he pleases. But you fail to understand what has been stated numerous times in this thread, contracts do not have to be always in written form. And it can easily be argued that even though he might not be obligated to represent team/sponsor 24 hours a day, TSL clearly didn't send him there to do something that is directly damaging to the immediate and future interests of the team (which includes negotiating for another employment).
So be it. Even if it was a verbal contract, what they agreed on would be something to the effect of, we pay for you to go to NASL, you represent TSL at the event. He did exactly that. And one can argue that he met with EG in passing on a lunch break or behind the scene or something. That can't be considered against his contractual agreement to TSL. How is him talking to scoots or whoever at NASL damaging to TSL? It doesn't hurt their reputation. He is still wearing a TSL jersey and representing TSL at the event (which is what he was paid to do).
And how is he damaging the future of TSL? He certainly isn't. He just isn't helping them. I don't think you could ever remotely consider his "agreement" with them to include staying with them for as long as they want him to. His agreement would be something to the effect of, while you are a member of this team you are bound to do a, b, and c.
It's not like PuMa did anything that actually hurts TSL. He just did something that makes it so that they don't continue to benefit from him. There is a big difference. TSL has to be able to argue some form of loss. What did they lose exactly? Just his services for the future. Which he never agreed to give them. You would be crazy to argue that PuMa didn't do his job at NASL. He didn't stop representing TSL after whatever short conversation he had with EG.
|
On July 24 2011 02:04 DoomsVille wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 01:51 GoStyle wrote:
If I was your boss and you were sent with company money somewhere to represent the company, and in that time you were negotiating another employment (i.e. not using that time to promote the company/sponsors and do your actual job), I'd sue your ass, contract or no contract, and chances are I'd win. PuMa got off easy, and what he and EG did was wrong.
Yup, well said Are you kidding me? If he has no contract he has no obligation to promote his team or anything. And it's not like PuMa took off his TSL jersey and put on an EG one at NASL. He still did a pretty damn good job of representing TSL at NASL (by winning and having TSLs jersey/name splattered everywhere). PuMa is in no way wrong here. He saw an opportunity and took it. It might be motivated by greed but that doesn't make his actions deplorable or illegal. All business transactions are motivated by greed. I'm sure coach lee is more pissed off at himself for not having player contracts than anything else. He knows this entire situation could have been avoided if he entered a proper agreement with his player. If that were the case, PuMa would have said he was on contract and EG would have backed off. End of discussion. And how is EG in the wrong here? They see a free agent star player and offer him a deal. It's the same thing as the business world... do companies go around talking to each other about potential employees? Of course not. They just offer people contracts/jobs and they accept/refuse based on whatever they want. But they certainly don't go to that persons employer and ask if its ok. Some of you need to get your head out of your asses and understand that e-sports is a business. And from a strictly business standpoint, no party was in the wrong here.
You can claim that PuMa is technically a free agent, although last I checked he was wearing TSL uniform representing the team TSL. But, more importantly it's my understanding that EG not only tried to recruite PuMA, but also contacted other Koreans who were present there. Correct me if this is a misinformation, but I don't think EG talking to "free agents" makes whole lot of sense.
|
First, the cab ride alone costs is in the upwards of 3k dollars. Second, for the past year I have been living and eating in your house at your expense to get so awesome at ultimate frisbee. I get to do this because I wear your jersy that promotes your mom's cookies to the neighbourhood when we play on the open field. And lastly, this is the first time we play in the field, not like before in the backyard. And you're right, you don't get to command me to stay, but you and your mom can be rather pissed about my decision because it is a disrespectful one. And you could say that I am what I am because you did me the favor and I shafted you the first moment I was in the position to help you back in return (i.e. advertise your mom's cookies).
I hope you can see the perspective better now. Contracts do not need always to be in written form, all laws allow for this. It is just harder to prove a contract if it isn't in writing.
hahah awesome, and so true
|
On July 24 2011 02:22 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 02:04 DoomsVille wrote:On July 24 2011 01:51 GoStyle wrote:
If I was your boss and you were sent with company money somewhere to represent the company, and in that time you were negotiating another employment (i.e. not using that time to promote the company/sponsors and do your actual job), I'd sue your ass, contract or no contract, and chances are I'd win. PuMa got off easy, and what he and EG did was wrong.
Yup, well said Are you kidding me? If he has no contract he has no obligation to promote his team or anything. And it's not like PuMa took off his TSL jersey and put on an EG one at NASL. He still did a pretty damn good job of representing TSL at NASL (by winning and having TSLs jersey/name splattered everywhere). PuMa is in no way wrong here. He saw an opportunity and took it. It might be motivated by greed but that doesn't make his actions deplorable or illegal. All business transactions are motivated by greed. I'm sure coach lee is more pissed off at himself for not having player contracts than anything else. He knows this entire situation could have been avoided if he entered a proper agreement with his player. If that were the case, PuMa would have said he was on contract and EG would have backed off. End of discussion. And how is EG in the wrong here? They see a free agent star player and offer him a deal. It's the same thing as the business world... do companies go around talking to each other about potential employees? Of course not. They just offer people contracts/jobs and they accept/refuse based on whatever they want. But they certainly don't go to that persons employer and ask if its ok. Some of you need to get your head out of your asses and understand that e-sports is a business. And from a strictly business standpoint, no party was in the wrong here. You can claim that PuMa is technically a free agent, although last I checked he was wearing TSL uniform representing the team TSL. But, more importantly it's my understanding that EG not only tried to recruite PuMA, but also contacted other Koreans who were present there. Correct me if this is a misinformation, but I don't think EG talking to "free agents" makes whole lot of sense.
In the thread there are claims that EG approached Sen as well who is contracted.
|
On July 24 2011 02:22 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 02:04 DoomsVille wrote:On July 24 2011 01:51 GoStyle wrote:
If I was your boss and you were sent with company money somewhere to represent the company, and in that time you were negotiating another employment (i.e. not using that time to promote the company/sponsors and do your actual job), I'd sue your ass, contract or no contract, and chances are I'd win. PuMa got off easy, and what he and EG did was wrong.
Yup, well said Are you kidding me? If he has no contract he has no obligation to promote his team or anything. And it's not like PuMa took off his TSL jersey and put on an EG one at NASL. He still did a pretty damn good job of representing TSL at NASL (by winning and having TSLs jersey/name splattered everywhere). PuMa is in no way wrong here. He saw an opportunity and took it. It might be motivated by greed but that doesn't make his actions deplorable or illegal. All business transactions are motivated by greed. I'm sure coach lee is more pissed off at himself for not having player contracts than anything else. He knows this entire situation could have been avoided if he entered a proper agreement with his player. If that were the case, PuMa would have said he was on contract and EG would have backed off. End of discussion. And how is EG in the wrong here? They see a free agent star player and offer him a deal. It's the same thing as the business world... do companies go around talking to each other about potential employees? Of course not. They just offer people contracts/jobs and they accept/refuse based on whatever they want. But they certainly don't go to that persons employer and ask if its ok. Some of you need to get your head out of your asses and understand that e-sports is a business. And from a strictly business standpoint, no party was in the wrong here. You can claim that PuMa is technically a free agent, although last I checked he was wearing TSL uniform representing the team TSL. But, more importantly it's my understanding that EG not only tried to recruite PuMA, but also contacted other Koreans who were present there. Correct me if this is a misinformation, but I don't think EG talking to "free agents" makes whole lot of sense.
Free agents was obviously a bad choice of words. He just had no obligation to TSL for the future (ie, he was free to change teams any time after NASL).
|
On July 24 2011 02:25 svarog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 02:22 jellyjello wrote:On July 24 2011 02:04 DoomsVille wrote:On July 24 2011 01:51 GoStyle wrote:
If I was your boss and you were sent with company money somewhere to represent the company, and in that time you were negotiating another employment (i.e. not using that time to promote the company/sponsors and do your actual job), I'd sue your ass, contract or no contract, and chances are I'd win. PuMa got off easy, and what he and EG did was wrong.
Yup, well said Are you kidding me? If he has no contract he has no obligation to promote his team or anything. And it's not like PuMa took off his TSL jersey and put on an EG one at NASL. He still did a pretty damn good job of representing TSL at NASL (by winning and having TSLs jersey/name splattered everywhere). PuMa is in no way wrong here. He saw an opportunity and took it. It might be motivated by greed but that doesn't make his actions deplorable or illegal. All business transactions are motivated by greed. I'm sure coach lee is more pissed off at himself for not having player contracts than anything else. He knows this entire situation could have been avoided if he entered a proper agreement with his player. If that were the case, PuMa would have said he was on contract and EG would have backed off. End of discussion. And how is EG in the wrong here? They see a free agent star player and offer him a deal. It's the same thing as the business world... do companies go around talking to each other about potential employees? Of course not. They just offer people contracts/jobs and they accept/refuse based on whatever they want. But they certainly don't go to that persons employer and ask if its ok. Some of you need to get your head out of your asses and understand that e-sports is a business. And from a strictly business standpoint, no party was in the wrong here. You can claim that PuMa is technically a free agent, although last I checked he was wearing TSL uniform representing the team TSL. But, more importantly it's my understanding that EG not only tried to recruite PuMA, but also contacted other Koreans who were present there. Correct me if this is a misinformation, but I don't think EG talking to "free agents" makes whole lot of sense. In the thread there are claims that EG approached Sen as well who is contracted.
Sen's contract is ending soon. It's normal for other teams to contact him.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
