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TL needs 15 hours to fact check it before making any attempt at a translation, sorry.
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On July 22 2011 11:06 NexUmbra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:05 zev318 wrote:On July 22 2011 11:02 LegendaryZ wrote:On July 22 2011 10:59 Nausea wrote:
That would assume that the person got an education, work experience and that there are jobs available. The purpose of moving esports forward is to make it so that players can live off it, and once they retire live a good life and have money saved up. Like any other professional sport.
Is this a bad joke or do you have absolutely no idea how other professional sports work? It's only a very very small percentage that ever make a decent living out of it, much less enough money to retire and live a good life with the money they saved up. It's a high risk "career" and people signing up for it generally know what they're getting into and accept those risks. u mean the NBA players who make like 10 million dollars a year can't retire off that and live a good life? even entry level professional sports people make more than enough. injuries are covered, its not like they dont get paid if they're injured >Implying every player in the NBA makes 10 million dollars a year.
http://www.insidehoops.com/minimum-nba-salary.shtml
ur saying u can't live off of 473k a year?
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On July 22 2011 11:05 thanhbao86 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:02 Primadog wrote:
This thread is featured on the frontpage of TeamLiquid, thus we as a community naturally assumed that it's factual. Many whom that did not watch WoC today will continue to assume all on it is factual, at least not proven to be incorrect.
There are elements in this thread topic that is proven in correct, such as Puma has signed a contract with EG or that Puma received an unspecific sum from EG. These needed to be corrected. When in the OP saying that Puma has signed the contract and received the money. You sir have reading comprehensive problem. Check your facts before saying other facts are wrong. In fact, i think you deserve to be banned for stating those falsified information.
From the OP...
EG has been revealed to pay Puma a certain amount of salary, and to provide Puma with money for foreign tournaments.
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On July 22 2011 10:57 Primadog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 10:53 DrNK.Zeal wrote:
Few things:
Milk is not a licensed journalist - TL.net has no burden of journalistic integrity regardless of how many people view their site. This would be the case if TL were founding themselves as a news entity. You may be saying 'but they are!'; TL hosts an open forum and their existence as a news source is subject to the community's prerogative. In a case such as this, nothing posted on TL needs sources, from all angles, regardless of its contents.
Strong disagreement. TeamLiquid IS the primary news source for all of English-speaking StarCraft community. This is a fact that's undisputable. TL does not and should not "publish" something misleading or factually incorrect, especially when it's featured on its front page. Fallen back to "volunteer" or "no burden of journalistic integrity" is not a stance that should be held by TeamLiquid. Whether Milkis can be squarely blamed for infactual news on TeamLiquid is debatable, but when something is proven false on TL, corrections NEED to be made, immediately.
Again, it's a translation. If I were to translate a statement by a dutch member of parliament that was posted on a dutch newssite into english, no journalistic standards apply.
If Milkis was writing an essay on how western teams are stealing korean players, the standard would be different. In this case, it's utterly ridiculous to argue that.
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On July 22 2011 11:08 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:06 NexUmbra wrote:On July 22 2011 11:05 zev318 wrote:On July 22 2011 11:02 LegendaryZ wrote:On July 22 2011 10:59 Nausea wrote:
That would assume that the person got an education, work experience and that there are jobs available. The purpose of moving esports forward is to make it so that players can live off it, and once they retire live a good life and have money saved up. Like any other professional sport.
Is this a bad joke or do you have absolutely no idea how other professional sports work? It's only a very very small percentage that ever make a decent living out of it, much less enough money to retire and live a good life with the money they saved up. It's a high risk "career" and people signing up for it generally know what they're getting into and accept those risks. u mean the NBA players who make like 10 million dollars a year can't retire off that and live a good life? even entry level professional sports people make more than enough. injuries are covered, its not like they dont get paid if they're injured >Implying every player in the NBA makes 10 million dollars a year. http://www.insidehoops.com/minimum-nba-salary.shtmlur saying u can't live off of 473k a year?
E-sports isnt as big as NBA man, you cant compare them ffs...
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On July 22 2011 11:02 taLbuk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 10:58 shavi wrote:On July 22 2011 10:57 Primadog wrote:On July 22 2011 10:53 DrNK.Zeal wrote:
Few things:
Milk is not a licensed journalist - TL.net has no burden of journalistic integrity regardless of how many people view their site. This would be the case if TL were founding themselves as a news entity. You may be saying 'but they are!'; TL hosts an open forum and their existence as a news source is subject to the community's prerogative. In a case such as this, nothing posted on TL needs sources, from all angles, regardless of its contents.
Strong disagreement. TeamLiquid IS the primary news source for all of English-speaking StarCraft community. This is a fact that's undisputable. TL does not and should not "publish" something misleading or factually incorrect, especially when it's featured on its front page. Fallen back to "volunteer" or "no burden of journalistic integrity" is not a stance that should be held by TeamLiquid. Whether Milkis can be squarely blamed for infactual news on TeamLiquid is debatable, but when something is proven false on TL, corrections NEED to be made, immediately. What was "wrong" with this post though? What has been proven incorrect information? EG never told anybody that they signed Puma (because they didn't and to this point still havn't, and PlayXP wrote the article that they did. The news broke to early and PlayXp is accountable, obviously not milkis' translation. EG had no statement prepared because they simply hadn't even finished the process. It was a bad string of events that lead to another witchhunt. Had PlayXp written the article in RESPONSE to EG's press release that they signed Puma and would be flying him places and giving him salary etc, than it would be reasonable. But the fact is the broke the news early and had their facts wrong but presented them as truth with a strong statement from Mr. Lee.
this. Well put. The drama can definitely start to subside when people realize the awkward ordering of things and how this thing actually played out, instead of how they think it did.
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On July 22 2011 11:08 VillageBC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:05 thanhbao86 wrote:On July 22 2011 11:02 Primadog wrote:
This thread is featured on the frontpage of TeamLiquid, thus we as a community naturally assumed that it's factual. Many whom that did not watch WoC today will continue to assume all on it is factual, at least not proven to be incorrect.
There are elements in this thread topic that is proven in correct, such as Puma has signed a contract with EG or that Puma received an unspecific sum from EG. These needed to be corrected. When in the OP saying that Puma has signed the contract and received the money. You sir have reading comprehensive problem. Check your facts before saying other facts are wrong. In fact, i think you deserve to be banned for stating those falsified information. From the OP... EG has been revealed to pay Puma a certain amount of salary, and to provide Puma with money for foreign tournaments.
pay salary = already paid salary. I am questioning your education sir. My understanding is that EG agreed to pay Puma salary + stipends for foreign tournaments if Puma signs the contract.
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On July 22 2011 11:08 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:06 NexUmbra wrote:On July 22 2011 11:05 zev318 wrote:On July 22 2011 11:02 LegendaryZ wrote:On July 22 2011 10:59 Nausea wrote:
That would assume that the person got an education, work experience and that there are jobs available. The purpose of moving esports forward is to make it so that players can live off it, and once they retire live a good life and have money saved up. Like any other professional sport.
Is this a bad joke or do you have absolutely no idea how other professional sports work? It's only a very very small percentage that ever make a decent living out of it, much less enough money to retire and live a good life with the money they saved up. It's a high risk "career" and people signing up for it generally know what they're getting into and accept those risks. u mean the NBA players who make like 10 million dollars a year can't retire off that and live a good life? even entry level professional sports people make more than enough. injuries are covered, its not like they dont get paid if they're injured >Implying every player in the NBA makes 10 million dollars a year. http://www.insidehoops.com/minimum-nba-salary.shtmlur saying u can't live off of 473k a year?
For the rest of your life?
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On July 22 2011 11:08 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:06 NexUmbra wrote:On July 22 2011 11:05 zev318 wrote:On July 22 2011 11:02 LegendaryZ wrote:On July 22 2011 10:59 Nausea wrote:
That would assume that the person got an education, work experience and that there are jobs available. The purpose of moving esports forward is to make it so that players can live off it, and once they retire live a good life and have money saved up. Like any other professional sport.
Is this a bad joke or do you have absolutely no idea how other professional sports work? It's only a very very small percentage that ever make a decent living out of it, much less enough money to retire and live a good life with the money they saved up. It's a high risk "career" and people signing up for it generally know what they're getting into and accept those risks. u mean the NBA players who make like 10 million dollars a year can't retire off that and live a good life? even entry level professional sports people make more than enough. injuries are covered, its not like they dont get paid if they're injured >Implying every player in the NBA makes 10 million dollars a year. http://www.insidehoops.com/minimum-nba-salary.shtmlur saying u can't live off of 473k a year?
Ok, i have to correct you here.
A lot of pro are not making much in their respective sports (a basketball player in europe for example won't make much money in general). And if you get injured, it pretty much means you have to search for another job.
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On July 22 2011 11:08 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:06 NexUmbra wrote:On July 22 2011 11:05 zev318 wrote:On July 22 2011 11:02 LegendaryZ wrote:On July 22 2011 10:59 Nausea wrote:
That would assume that the person got an education, work experience and that there are jobs available. The purpose of moving esports forward is to make it so that players can live off it, and once they retire live a good life and have money saved up. Like any other professional sport.
Is this a bad joke or do you have absolutely no idea how other professional sports work? It's only a very very small percentage that ever make a decent living out of it, much less enough money to retire and live a good life with the money they saved up. It's a high risk "career" and people signing up for it generally know what they're getting into and accept those risks. u mean the NBA players who make like 10 million dollars a year can't retire off that and live a good life? even entry level professional sports people make more than enough. injuries are covered, its not like they dont get paid if they're injured >Implying every player in the NBA makes 10 million dollars a year. http://www.insidehoops.com/minimum-nba-salary.shtmlur saying u can't live off of 473k a year?
He's saying it's not a life-long career for most people, and you can't live off like 4 years of highly taxed minimum nba salary for the rest of your life. You have to do something else with it. Not every pro athlete gets to live a good life after they "retire" from pro sports. In fact most of them, the majority of them, don't. They have to do something after they leave the sport.
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So
It'd be hilarious if 3 hour from now on, Puma sent EG an email, saying that FXO just give him a better offer than EG, and since Puma doesn't have a contract with EG, he will go to FXO.
Hell, Puma doesn't even need to contact EG, FXO should just leak the news on ThisIsGame or PlayXP or something.
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On July 22 2011 11:08 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 10:57 Primadog wrote:On July 22 2011 10:53 DrNK.Zeal wrote:
Few things:
Milk is not a licensed journalist - TL.net has no burden of journalistic integrity regardless of how many people view their site. This would be the case if TL were founding themselves as a news entity. You may be saying 'but they are!'; TL hosts an open forum and their existence as a news source is subject to the community's prerogative. In a case such as this, nothing posted on TL needs sources, from all angles, regardless of its contents.
Strong disagreement. TeamLiquid IS the primary news source for all of English-speaking StarCraft community. This is a fact that's undisputable. TL does not and should not "publish" something misleading or factually incorrect, especially when it's featured on its front page. Fallen back to "volunteer" or "no burden of journalistic integrity" is not a stance that should be held by TeamLiquid. Whether Milkis can be squarely blamed for infactual news on TeamLiquid is debatable, but when something is proven false on TL, corrections NEED to be made, immediately. Again, it's a translation. If I were to translate a statement by a dutch member of parliament that was posted on a dutch newssite into english, no journalistic standards apply. If Milkis was writing an essay on how western teams are stealing korean players, the standard would be different. In this case, it's utterly ridiculous to argue that.
If the stance of TeamLiquid management is one where they're not accountable for the facts presented on the TL frontpage (at least to the community, whether legal/moral is debatable), than I am ashamed as one of its many, many writers.
TeamLiquid is a driving force behind E-sports, our standard is the reason why TL is at the top of the food chain and survived GosuGamers and other competitors. Again, I do not blame Milkis at all, but I do believe that since the facts are laid out, things like "EG has been revealed to pay Puma a certain amount of salary, and to provide Puma with money for foreign tournaments" should be corrected to reflect it.
It's not even that hard. It's a minute of editing from Milkis or from a TL admin.
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On July 22 2011 11:09 thanhbao86 wrote:
From the OP...
EG has been revealed to pay Puma a certain amount of salary, and to provide Puma with money for foreign tournaments.
pay salary = already paid salary. I am questioning your education sir. [/QUOTE]
Oh right, semantics fight. Sorry but it reads as if it has already happened and at least of about 30 minutes ago has not.
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On July 22 2011 11:08 Slakter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:08 zev318 wrote:On July 22 2011 11:06 NexUmbra wrote:On July 22 2011 11:05 zev318 wrote:On July 22 2011 11:02 LegendaryZ wrote:On July 22 2011 10:59 Nausea wrote:
That would assume that the person got an education, work experience and that there are jobs available. The purpose of moving esports forward is to make it so that players can live off it, and once they retire live a good life and have money saved up. Like any other professional sport.
Is this a bad joke or do you have absolutely no idea how other professional sports work? It's only a very very small percentage that ever make a decent living out of it, much less enough money to retire and live a good life with the money they saved up. It's a high risk "career" and people signing up for it generally know what they're getting into and accept those risks. u mean the NBA players who make like 10 million dollars a year can't retire off that and live a good life? even entry level professional sports people make more than enough. injuries are covered, its not like they dont get paid if they're injured >Implying every player in the NBA makes 10 million dollars a year. http://www.insidehoops.com/minimum-nba-salary.shtmlur saying u can't live off of 473k a year? E-sports isnt as big as NBA man, you cant compare them ffs...
im replying to the guy who just did. he said "only a very very small percentage ever makes a decent living out of it" and "much less enough money to retire and live a good life"
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On July 22 2011 11:10 Primadog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:08 Derez wrote:On July 22 2011 10:57 Primadog wrote:On July 22 2011 10:53 DrNK.Zeal wrote:
Few things:
Milk is not a licensed journalist - TL.net has no burden of journalistic integrity regardless of how many people view their site. This would be the case if TL were founding themselves as a news entity. You may be saying 'but they are!'; TL hosts an open forum and their existence as a news source is subject to the community's prerogative. In a case such as this, nothing posted on TL needs sources, from all angles, regardless of its contents.
Strong disagreement. TeamLiquid IS the primary news source for all of English-speaking StarCraft community. This is a fact that's undisputable. TL does not and should not "publish" something misleading or factually incorrect, especially when it's featured on its front page. Fallen back to "volunteer" or "no burden of journalistic integrity" is not a stance that should be held by TeamLiquid. Whether Milkis can be squarely blamed for infactual news on TeamLiquid is debatable, but when something is proven false on TL, corrections NEED to be made, immediately. Again, it's a translation. If I were to translate a statement by a dutch member of parliament that was posted on a dutch newssite into english, no journalistic standards apply. If Milkis was writing an essay on how western teams are stealing korean players, the standard would be different. In this case, it's utterly ridiculous to argue that. If the stance of TeamLiquid management is one where they're not accountable for the facts presented on the TL frontpage (at least to the community, whether legal/moral is debatable), than I am ashamed as one of its many, many writers. TeamLiquid is a driving force behind E-sports, our standard is the reason why TL is at the top of the food chain and survived GosuGamers and other competitors.
PLEASE, please clarify.
Which part of this OP is proven wrong?
And what information did EG release that CAN be edited into the OP?
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On July 22 2011 11:11 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:08 Slakter wrote:On July 22 2011 11:08 zev318 wrote:On July 22 2011 11:06 NexUmbra wrote:On July 22 2011 11:05 zev318 wrote:On July 22 2011 11:02 LegendaryZ wrote:On July 22 2011 10:59 Nausea wrote:
That would assume that the person got an education, work experience and that there are jobs available. The purpose of moving esports forward is to make it so that players can live off it, and once they retire live a good life and have money saved up. Like any other professional sport.
Is this a bad joke or do you have absolutely no idea how other professional sports work? It's only a very very small percentage that ever make a decent living out of it, much less enough money to retire and live a good life with the money they saved up. It's a high risk "career" and people signing up for it generally know what they're getting into and accept those risks. u mean the NBA players who make like 10 million dollars a year can't retire off that and live a good life? even entry level professional sports people make more than enough. injuries are covered, its not like they dont get paid if they're injured >Implying every player in the NBA makes 10 million dollars a year. http://www.insidehoops.com/minimum-nba-salary.shtmlur saying u can't live off of 473k a year? E-sports isnt as big as NBA man, you cant compare them ffs... im replying to the guy who just did. he said "only a very very small percentage ever makes a decent living out of it" and "much less enough money to retire and live a good life"
How many basketball players make it to NBA? Have you considered that?
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On July 22 2011 10:51 Roggay wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 10:47 NexUmbra wrote:On July 22 2011 10:45 nufcrulz wrote:
Also, why isnt EG's position on this in the OP as well. Why am i getting one sided views from the Korean side? Because this is a TRANSLATED ARTICLEBy the Korean website which dislikes this. And because EG didn't released an official statement, as far as i know. (except the whole WOC thing)
there is nothing to officially state, Puma hasn't signed anything (lol with TSL or EG)
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On July 22 2011 11:11 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:08 Slakter wrote:On July 22 2011 11:08 zev318 wrote:On July 22 2011 11:06 NexUmbra wrote:On July 22 2011 11:05 zev318 wrote:On July 22 2011 11:02 LegendaryZ wrote:On July 22 2011 10:59 Nausea wrote:
That would assume that the person got an education, work experience and that there are jobs available. The purpose of moving esports forward is to make it so that players can live off it, and once they retire live a good life and have money saved up. Like any other professional sport.
Is this a bad joke or do you have absolutely no idea how other professional sports work? It's only a very very small percentage that ever make a decent living out of it, much less enough money to retire and live a good life with the money they saved up. It's a high risk "career" and people signing up for it generally know what they're getting into and accept those risks. u mean the NBA players who make like 10 million dollars a year can't retire off that and live a good life? even entry level professional sports people make more than enough. injuries are covered, its not like they dont get paid if they're injured >Implying every player in the NBA makes 10 million dollars a year. http://www.insidehoops.com/minimum-nba-salary.shtmlur saying u can't live off of 473k a year? E-sports isnt as big as NBA man, you cant compare them ffs... im replying to the guy who just did. he said "only a very very small percentage ever makes a decent living out of it" and "much less enough money to retire and live a good life"
And he is right, not every league pay their players as much as the NBA. I know for example that the soccer players of my little town would have to get another job if they stop playing.
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For all the intellectual masturbation of the contract / no contract based nature of business in Korea/Asia, does anyone have any real statistics on the subject to back up their claims?
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On July 22 2011 11:10 Roggay wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:08 zev318 wrote:On July 22 2011 11:06 NexUmbra wrote:On July 22 2011 11:05 zev318 wrote:On July 22 2011 11:02 LegendaryZ wrote:On July 22 2011 10:59 Nausea wrote:
That would assume that the person got an education, work experience and that there are jobs available. The purpose of moving esports forward is to make it so that players can live off it, and once they retire live a good life and have money saved up. Like any other professional sport.
Is this a bad joke or do you have absolutely no idea how other professional sports work? It's only a very very small percentage that ever make a decent living out of it, much less enough money to retire and live a good life with the money they saved up. It's a high risk "career" and people signing up for it generally know what they're getting into and accept those risks. u mean the NBA players who make like 10 million dollars a year can't retire off that and live a good life? even entry level professional sports people make more than enough. injuries are covered, its not like they dont get paid if they're injured >Implying every player in the NBA makes 10 million dollars a year. http://www.insidehoops.com/minimum-nba-salary.shtmlur saying u can't live off of 473k a year? Ok, i have to correct you here. A lot of pro are not making much in their respective sports (a basketball player in europe for example won't make much money in general). And if you get injured, it pretty much means you have to search for another job.
lets say u get injured year 1 and u were signed for 1 year only. if u get injured, im assuming u still get paid, cause u got injured while working.
and lets say its career ending, so at least very least u still have 200k (whatever is left after tax) to still get an education or whatever u choose to do. and is it just me, but if i had 200k, and i had no job, i think that'd still be enough for me live off of for like 3-4 years easy.
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