EPTPuma leaves TSL for EG - Page 189
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licmibals
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BZZ
Canada25 Posts
On July 22 2011 02:31 Mr Showtime wrote: .....a solid contract..... Yes, EG probably should have consulted the managers, so they could work out EG's offer. Ultimately it's Puma's decision to make, but by the time TSL was involved, he had pretty much commited to EG's offer. "Foul" play by EG I suppose, but TSL didn't exactly do the best job as managers. I'm just happy to see him go to my favorite progaming team  I don't think that a contract is really the issue in terms of players being moved to foreign teams. If a player does not want to continue with a particular team it would be very hard to keep them... how do you ensure that they will perform? They could simply just refuse to play or play poorly. The only way to regulate the movement of players, particularly across continents, is to have a governing body that regulates the SC2 teams & events. That would lead to possible punishment for a team that "steals" another player by being fined or excluded from events. | ||
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xXFireandIceXx
Canada4296 Posts
On July 22 2011 02:34 Zinroc wrote: I see Puma getting a lot worse very soon. EG doesn't have very many good practice partners, and especially not in Korea. When Idra was there he said in a lot of interviews that the only person willing to practice with him was Ret and sometimes other forigners that were there. Puma now doesn't have a team house and will only get practice games with personal friends at those friends lesuire. And even then those friends won't be helping him develop or refine builds since that knowledge is a trade secret of that friends' team. That's a great point. Many foreigners have stated how being in Korea has drastically improved their play. So in a sense, Puma is giving up that atmosphere of strict practise and dedication. It will be interesting to see if this advances his career or not. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5651 Posts
On July 22 2011 02:34 TheButtonmen wrote: Why would we want Kespa anywhere near SC2? The players are already pretty overworked and underpaided, do we really need to further exploit them by bringing in Kespa? If you have a good player you need to sign them or yes other teams will court them. How exactly else would you have liked this to happen? Should Puma not be allowed to accept better deals? Do you think the team owns him or something? Yeah, because not having any major corporations invest in esports is so much better. KeSPA corporations actually pay their players, and they often pay well. Right now SC2 progamers are doing what their doing out of pure passion, if anything. | ||
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Grimsong
United States252 Posts
On July 22 2011 02:29 TheBatman(L) wrote: I just wanted to point I will almost certainly be buying a Steelseries Xia almost exclusively because of their sponsorship of EG and I am strongly considering buying a Das Keyboard Ultimate over the other keyboards I was looking at because I know Destiny uses a Das Keyboard. Honestly that is what the companies what they want players who win because then people will l ook into the teams and maybe notice their sponsors and look into them. Exactly. This is just a small example of what I'm slowly gettin to. Are you confused about small target groups vs large markets? The vast majority of sc2 playersp and people who watch it don't care that someone from Korea got offered a contract with EG. Winners get promoted by marketers. People tune in to watch the best. People will want to watch puma in tournaments. In showmatches. Hear about him and idra. This is a brilliant marketting move, while also providing EG with a superstar along side idra. Funny because a lot of people were calling eg out for not having the means to really compete outside of idra but now they've solved that. The outrage will fade and when puma continues succeeding under the eg flag this will be but dust in the wind. Welcome to contemporary sports. | ||
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
On July 22 2011 02:36 BZZ wrote: I don't think that a contract is really the issue in terms of players being moved to foreign teams. If a player does not want to continue with a particular team it would be very hard to keep them... how do you ensure that they will perform? They could simply just refuse to play or play poorly. The only way to regulate the movement of players, particularly across continents, is to have a governing body that regulates the SC2 teams & events. That would lead to possible punishment for a team that "steals" another player by being fined or excluded from events. If they refuse to play or play poorly then any offer given to them can be reduced becasue its likely that their old team that holds their contract will offer them much less then they would have otherwise. meaning other teams now can offer that player less to compete with other offers. And just becasue they are under contract doesnt mean they cant move, just means that the other team will need to buy out the old contract. Having 1 governing body imo is bad. | ||
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Jeebiz
United States2 Posts
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poorbeggarman
139 Posts
On July 22 2011 02:35 TheRPGAddict wrote: If they would have informed TSL about their interest in Puma, Mr. Lee could have very well have done something to keep Puma on TSL in terms of a deal. I think it EG should have contacted the management first... Like what? Logically, they would have already tried to persuade him to stay and tried to make a better offer than EG. | ||
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felizuno
United States164 Posts
On July 22 2011 02:34 Zinroc wrote: I see Puma getting a lot worse very soon. EG doesn't have very many good practice partners, and especially not in Korea. When Idra was there he said in a lot of interviews that the only person willing to practice with him was Ret and sometimes other forigners that were there. Puma now doesn't have a team house and will only get practice games with personal friends at those friends lesuire. And even then those friends won't be helping him develop or refine builds since that knowledge is a trade secret of that friends' team. Actually this thread already contains a lengthy discussion on this, he will not have practice partner issues as he (as well as all other top tier players) already practice regularly with partners from other teams. I don't think this is up for debate anymore, ppl posted a lot of proof including the fact that the players have streamed them practicing w/ppl outside their team. Not that I expected you to read the 180-page shitstorm that is this thread, so there is the tl;dr of that topic | ||
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Proko
United States1022 Posts
On July 22 2011 02:35 TheRPGAddict wrote: If they would have informed TSL about their interest in Puma, Mr. Lee could have very well have done something to keep Puma on TSL in terms of a deal. I think it EG should have contacted the management first... But that is my opinion and I know no one gives a shit about it. But this is a discussion. You act like TSL didn't have a chance to counter-offer. they most certainly did, since EG approached him weeks ago and this deal is only closing now. | ||
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koppik
United States676 Posts
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
On July 22 2011 02:34 Zinroc wrote: I see Puma getting a lot worse very soon. EG doesn't have very many good practice partners, and especially not in Korea. When Idra was there he said in a lot of interviews that the only person willing to practice with him was Ret and sometimes other forigners that were there. Puma now doesn't have a team house and will only get practice games with personal friends at those friends lesuire. And even then those friends won't be helping him develop or refine builds since that knowledge is a trade secret of that friends' team. I agree with this tbh, the best practice is in Korea and I personally think it's a huge sacrifice to give up that kind of training... they must of made a damn good offer to Puma - or he just doesn't realise yet the difference in training quality. | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
It's GREAT that there is competition for players. If a player is good they don't have to sit around not getting paid and only get money from winnings. It's a player's market. All this talk about contracts is beside the point. | ||
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Doso
Germany769 Posts
On July 21 2011 15:00 Milkis wrote: "There needs to be a system to stop foreign teams from stealing Korean players like this" That system is called a contracts, consider using them. | ||
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xXFireandIceXx
Canada4296 Posts
On July 22 2011 02:40 koppik wrote: I don't think that it was really a good move for PuMa, but I guess it was his choice. As for EG being "disgusting" in their recruitment tactics, I doubt that. But it's hard to imagine that there was nothing EG could do to make it a more amicable trade. To be fair, they could've approached the team first. That would have made it more "amicable" for sure, and TSL wouldn't really have a case now. | ||
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TheRPGAddict
United States1403 Posts
On July 22 2011 02:39 Proko wrote: Based on what I read, it sounded like the opposite, like Puma did not give him much notice and after he gave him notice he already accepted the contract from EG, but if it went down differently, then ok. But that isn't what it sounds like. Especially with the reaction from the coach.You act like TSL didn't have a chance to counter-offer. they most certainly did, since EG approached him weeks ago and this deal is only closing now. | ||
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
On July 22 2011 02:39 Proko wrote: You act like TSL didn't have a chance to counter-offer. they most certainly did, since EG approached him weeks ago and this deal is only closing now. Eg is known for putting expiry dates on offers to players they want from other teams. | ||
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Phantom_Sky
Hong Kong512 Posts
isn't it the kind of stuff we dream that would make eSports happen? In real-life high-stake game like Football (soccer for you americans), even top-tier team like Manchester United/ Barcelona would try to steal players without the agreement/ approval of the players's manager / team, it's dirty but it's business, professionals play to win and play to win money the money is what separates "professional" from casual / amateur, if you want those honor shit, that's fine, but dont expect the game to grow to a level that people would spend their life perfecting it, without big money/ pay check involve, it would remain a toy of average 12-year old instead of something the world would take serious and if this game is getting serious (so big money for contracts and tournament winners) , then a proper contract would prevent users from leaving the team pre-maturely | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1403 Posts
On July 22 2011 02:41 Doso wrote: That system is called a contracts, consider using them. No no no that would improve players standards of living too much, the answer according to this thread is clearly a return to Kespa style ownership of players. | ||
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drgonzhere
United States447 Posts
On July 21 2011 15:00 Milkis wrote: "There needs to be a system to stop foreign teams from stealing Korean players like this" KESPA, It is a necessary evil. | ||
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