EPTPeople should be focusing on how this could be a stepping stone for EG into the Korean scene; set up some form of house-house collaboration like the oGs-Liquid house so that their players can have more experience etc. It presents a good opportunity for the continued development of the community and people should see it as such!
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Pazuzu
United States632 Posts
People should be focusing on how this could be a stepping stone for EG into the Korean scene; set up some form of house-house collaboration like the oGs-Liquid house so that their players can have more experience etc. It presents a good opportunity for the continued development of the community and people should see it as such! | ||
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ShadowMA
Romania2 Posts
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infinitum
United States83 Posts
But that is really a minor story compared to what this whole thing means: A top Korean player is moving outside Korea! This is the beginning of a titanic struggle, during which the Koreans will indignantly struggle to retain the center of SC2 ESPORTS, while the foreign scene, with more money and more enthusiastic fans, will steal away all the top players. It's going to be awesome. | ||
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Kojaimea
United Kingdom277 Posts
On July 22 2011 02:47 TheButtonmen wrote: ....You go through players agents, you don't just walk up to the management and ask for permission to court their best player. You do in Cricket, Football, Rugby, Cycling etc. Approaching the agent or player beforehand is known as 'tapping-up' and ranges from frowned upon to illegal depending on the sport. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapping_up | ||
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chaopow
United States556 Posts
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pyro19
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
On July 22 2011 02:46 Plansix wrote: How? How do you tell a team that you want to sign one of best players and have them take it well? Lets travel to a world where someone would do that: Scoots: Hey, TSL, I really like Puma and would like to sign him and offer him more money that you will. I really think he would shine under my managment. TSL: Well, let me think about that...(holds hand over phone) Call our attorneys and check our contract with Puma, quickly. (Removes hand from phone) I'm going to have to discuss this with the coaches. Scoots: Ok, great. Well get back to me and tell me what you think. I want to get your blessing before offering it to Puma. Bye! TSL: Sure.... Or... Scoots: Hey, TSL. I am just signed a contract with Puma. Just wanted to tell you before he told you, because its polite. TSL: Well thanks. You know he was under contract with us? Scoots: Yeah, I was hoping you would release him. We offered him more money and all the Mars Bars he could eat. I'm homing Mars will be his new sponsor. TSL: Yeah, well I'll think about that after we speak with our lawyers. Scoot: Oh come on, your taking this the wrong way. Mars Bars are really good. Let us exit this crazy world where you call people to talk about signing their players to your team. If someone offers me a better job and I have to leave in a week, I will. My job keeps me by treating me well and paying what I am worth. If TSL wants to keep their players, pay them well and treat them well. From what I can tell, EG treats is playesrs well and provides them with the support they need. I don't know about TSL, but Puma must have throught differently. usually the player or the players agent is thrown in there...but thats known as common practice in any other sport? What a suprise 2 buisness men getting together discussing a buisness deal...WHAT?!?! outrageous! | ||
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TVUmK
United States91 Posts
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gozima
Canada602 Posts
On July 22 2011 02:34 Zinroc wrote: I see Puma getting a lot worse very soon. EG doesn't have very many good practice partners, and especially not in Korea. When Idra was there he said in a lot of interviews that the only person willing to practice with him was Ret and sometimes other forigners that were there. Puma now doesn't have a team house and will only get practice games with personal friends at those friends lesuire. And even then those friends won't be helping him develop or refine builds since that knowledge is a trade secret of that friends' team. I'd have to agree with this post. Puma has been living in pro gaming houses for the majority of his pro gaming career. Now he'll probably be living by himself, away from that atmosphere, practicing alone. Sure he'll have practice partners from other teams etc etc, but I don't see him reaching his max potential living and practicing alone. At least the dudes cashing in. Gratz Puma and I wish you the best in the future. | ||
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Railin
Canada96 Posts
Hope this teaches all the e-sports teams that they need to sign contracts and offer their star players better conditions before they get snatched by other teams who understand it! | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1403 Posts
On July 22 2011 02:50 Kojaimea wrote: You do in Cricket, Football, Rugby, Cycling etc. Approaching the agent or player beforehand is known as 'tapping-up' and ranges from frowned upon to illegal depending on the sport. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapping_up Puma was a free agent, that link has nothing to do with this situation. Free agents are represented by their agents not by the coach of the team they are currently playing for. | ||
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vilehelm
10 Posts
On July 22 2011 02:29 kdmx wrote: If he was not contracted to the team, he's a free agent. That's the very definition of being a free agent. In baseball (just for an example) a player, in the last year of a contract, is able to have those conversations with other teams. There are a lot of other interesting clauses that might come up in the future like "no trade" where a player who has played for a team for X amount of years has to give permission to the team trying to trade them. Best believe that every Korean team out there is reviewing the contracts of their stars, the players should take a hard look at their contracts as well. It's all about the wons! | ||
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EsMuyVien
United States408 Posts
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
On July 22 2011 02:50 Pazuzu wrote: Stop ranting and raving over Puma's transition. First off people don't know exactly what happened, all they know is the end case (or people just feel like warping the facts to be trolls). Secondly if Puma was 'legally' and 'morally' traded there would still be a thread attacking the deal and more arguments anyway. People should be focusing on how this could be a stepping stone for EG into the Korean scene; set up some form of house-house collaboration like the oGs-Liquid house so that their players can have more experience etc. It presents a good opportunity for the continued development of the community and people should see it as such! If it was seen as shaddy or dishonorable...do you think other teams are going to be willing to team up with eg? | ||
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TheRPGAddict
United States1403 Posts
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
Actually... If Puma wasn't signed to a contract, then that is all moot. No one really knows but it seems though at that time that Puma wasn't contracted, maybe to allow TSL the flexibility of releasing players at their own accord (which may be useful if TSL does pay player salaries). | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1403 Posts
On July 22 2011 02:53 Falcor wrote: If it was seen as shaddy or dishonorable...do you think other teams are going to be willing to team up with eg? Yes, they run big events with a ton of publicity other teams will still be more then willing to work with them. Money talks, bullshit walks. | ||
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xXFireandIceXx
Canada4296 Posts
On July 22 2011 02:53 TheRPGAddict wrote: When the announcement gets made, it would be great to here from both sides, because I don't feel when EG announces this, that they will tell the whole story. Would be nice if there could be an assimilation of the two. I don't think there's much love left between the two sides. EG will probably defend their position, and TSL maintain that this was some underhand move. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On July 22 2011 02:45 JasKo wrote: SOME of you are ridiculous do you not know how it works in real sports? the player normally goes to the highest bidder, loyalty is sometimes involved, but only when the money change wont make that much of a difference. What EG did wasn't shady, in fact, it is helping players to actually be able to make a living off of e sports. TSL could have offered more, but they couldn't. Why should Puma, and other players, be deprived of this opportunity? That's not at all how it works in real sports. What bothers me far more than the EG-TSL situation is all the idiots in this thread who chime in with an inane comment like "this is just like real sports!" when it actually isn't. Professional sports have an organized system of free agency whereby original teams generally get Right Of First Refusal on anyone that isn't an unrestricted free agent. That usually means that they can match or outbid other teams to retain their players. An unrestricted free agent is teamless. While these tiers don't exist in SC2 (yet), it's pretty clear Puma wasn't teamless. We don't know the details of TSL's contracts but it doesn't seem very strong or else it would have a NCC, but that still doesn't make someone an unrestricted free agent, and it still doesn't make this situation anything like professional sports or Lebron/Miami. | ||
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VillageBC
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