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On July 22 2011 01:57 jupidar wrote:
How will Puma practice now? Unless EG is going to make a Korea house...
He can't practice as much as before but he practice with MC, MVP and prob a lot of other top players. He is one of the best terrans so I can bet you that a lot of ppl want to practice with him. It's just that he dont have player around him so he can practice as fluently, he needs to ask ppl and adjust to when they play.
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On July 22 2011 01:56 Walls wrote:The funny thing is that people ignore the points that are strong like the one I posted before, + Show Spoiler +This is going to make Koreans start generalizing foreigners and be scared of sending their players outside of korea.
thus weakening the scene. and only respond to the stupid ones.
I don't think it's a strong point (you should let other people assess the strength of your argument). If anything it will just make teams draw up contracts with their players. But it wont stop Koreans from coming to foreign tournaments when the alternative is to run the Code B -> Code A -> Code S gauntlet. There's a lot more money to be had outside Korea.
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Well, it's not strictly EGs fault.
EG went to PuMa and said "Hey, would be nice to have you in our team" and PuMa did not say "I'm sorry, you have to ask my coach first, i'm not allowed to talk about this stuff".
Well, anyways, PuMa is now in EG, TSL lost a player with high potential and the world is still spinning...
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On July 22 2011 01:57 jupidar wrote:
How will Puma practice now? Unless EG is going to make a Korea house...
im sure there will a lack of players that wanna practice with one of the best in the world lol
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On July 22 2011 01:56 Leafren wrote:Show nested quote +Why are people mad that the TSL coach wasn't contacted? Is it really the tradition in Korea that you're supposed to ask somebody's current boss permission to hire that person? The difference is that SC is (aspires to be) a sport. You don't negociate with a player from another team behind the coaches/management's back. Surely you see the issue with that?
I think an sc2 team is much more like an employer. If there were an organized league with teams then there would be rules. As it is a team is just somebody who gives you a salary, possibly including room and board, in exchange for your representing them (and hence their sponsors) at tournaments.
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On July 22 2011 01:51 Mioraka wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 01:46 Grimsong wrote:On July 22 2011 01:44 Mioraka wrote:
I like how most people think EG's move is perfectly fine and good for them, while half of thepeople hate what they did, and the reason they did it is for marketing.
If your move make half of the people hate ur brand image, that's not a good move, that's a retarded move. Can't control peoples opinions. EG did the best for EG. Puma did the best for Puma. If TSL did the best for TSL, this thread never exists. I don't think you understand the purpose of marketing....
Actually, I think you don't.
EG just picked up a very successful, amazing player to join their core. You know who leagues market? THE GOD DAMN WINNERS
People watching events live? They remember the winners.People who go to MLG for their FPS games? They glance over at SC2 and see Puma of EG won.
Look at history.
Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Magic Johnson, Joe Montana, Jerry Rice. Just to name a few WINNERS who people identify.
You don't think having a winning player on a team is good marketting and strategy? You're lost. The TL and Korea community is important, but not the end all be all. Wrap your head around more than the basic principles, and maybe there can be a discussion between us.
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Everybody has been saying recently that PuMa has huge potential, but has not yet fully realised it. How will removing him from a professional Korean team house tap his potential?
I suppose being shipped out to foreign tournaments frequently may help with his nerve issues, but nerve issues are going to be the last of his worries if his skill stagnates from not having a good team to practice with on the level he is currently used to.
There may also be a problem for the growth of ESPORTS when Koreans are reluctant to send their best players to foreign events if their financial or team status is in peril, for fear of their players being shown a wad of cash and getting snatched by another team.
Players like DongRaeGu who is undoubtedly carrying his whole, unsponsored team at the moment is such a risk. Sending him to a foreign event where a team can wave a lot of money in front of his eyes may be very risky for MVP, but luckily he is close enough with his team that this shouldn't be a problem (I hope).
I really hope EG know what they're doing and that PuMA will continue to flourish, because if it turns out his skill declines from not being in a professional environment, then we will all know who to blame for ruining the most prominent up and coming players.
Well I guess they needed to get their own Koreans as if FXO ships their strong FXO Korean division players out to international events and SK ships NaDa and MC, then the representation of foreign teams is going to go down the pan. Perhaps other teams need to start thinking along the same lines.
Anyway, here is a poorly made photoshop pic.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/y221a.jpg)
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On July 22 2011 01:59 Walls wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 01:58 Tarbosh wrote:On July 22 2011 01:56 Walls wrote:The funny thing is that people ignore the points that are strong like the one I posted before, + Show Spoiler +This is going to make Koreans start generalizing foreigners and be scared of sending their players outside of korea.
thus weakening the scene. and only respond to the stupid ones. It is not a strong point. It is a stupid one. Thats it "It is not a strong point. It is a stupid one." He doesnt have any counter argument or anything, he just says "It is not a strong point. It is a stupid one."
Yeah because you are generalizing that koreans will stop sending players now.
I'll be sure to ask MC about this when I see him at the next NASL Finals for you.
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On July 22 2011 01:56 Leafren wrote:Show nested quote +Why are people mad that the TSL coach wasn't contacted? Is it really the tradition in Korea that you're supposed to ask somebody's current boss permission to hire that person? The difference is that SC is (aspires to be) a sport. You don't negociate with a player from another team behind the coaches/management's back. Surely you see the issue with that?
Sorry to inform you that in sports, it is usually the player who is contacted by the team first.
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On July 22 2011 01:59 Telebear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 01:56 Walls wrote:The funny thing is that people ignore the points that are strong like the one I posted before, + Show Spoiler +This is going to make Koreans start generalizing foreigners and be scared of sending their players outside of korea.
thus weakening the scene. and only respond to the stupid ones. thats not a strong point though if korean teams want their brand to be known on an international scale they'll keep sending players to tournaments just because a korean joined a foreign team doesnt mean suddenly the borders are being shut and the koreans are forced to stay in korea
No but as this will happen more and more often, my point could be true.
Koreans have a history of being on their own and still being the best.
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what a shame. This is like the shady transfers of soccer (football) players in Europe.
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On July 22 2011 01:56 Walls wrote:The funny thing is that people ignore the points that are strong like the one I posted before, + Show Spoiler +This is going to make Koreans start generalizing foreigners and be scared of sending their players outside of korea.
thus weakening the scene. and only respond to the stupid ones.
This is going to make Korean players start realizing how much opportunities there are outside of Korea, where they can play more tournaments then just GSL, make more money, have more fans.
Thus strengthening the scene.
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On July 22 2011 01:56 Walls wrote:The funny thing is that people ignore the points that are strong like the one I posted before, + Show Spoiler +This is going to make Koreans start generalizing foreigners and be scared of sending their players outside of korea.
thus weakening the scene. and only respond to the stupid ones.
That's a 'strong' point?Wtf?
What kind of fairy world do you live in?
There's too much money outside Korea.So, they will surely not stop sending their players to foreign tournaments.
Maybe, just maybe, instead of not sending their players at all, they'll just start contracting their players, like they should have done in the first place.Which actually means the scene will strengthen.
But don't let reason and commom sense get in the way of your preconceived notions.
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On July 22 2011 01:56 Walls wrote:The funny thing is that people ignore the points that are strong like the one I posted before, + Show Spoiler +This is going to make Koreans start generalizing foreigners and be scared of sending their players outside of korea.
thus weakening the scene. and only respond to the stupid ones.
What?
Your point is ridiculous, it wasn't because it was the NASL that puma got hired by EG, it was because he was a big name player without a contract.
If Nestea, MC or MVP didn't have contracts, they'd sure as shit be hired by whoever had the most money.
Therefore we don't have to worry about koreans being scared of sending their players outside of korea...
Also, I really don't think your point is strong.
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On July 22 2011 01:56 Walls wrote:The funny thing is that people ignore the points that are strong like the one I posted before, + Show Spoiler +This is going to make Koreans start generalizing foreigners and be scared of sending their players outside of korea.
thus weakening the scene. and only respond to the stupid ones.
It won't weaken the scene at all when the crowd/money/tournament in general (sry GSL i hate the format) are much better. Also i know there are some exceptions like how MLG was for the players, but then there are others like homestory that are much more laid back.
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On July 22 2011 01:50 berserkboar wrote:
okay i officially hate foreigners peace out
And not a single fuck was given. Hate foreigners all you want.
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On July 22 2011 01:55 Rasun wrote:
I feel really bad for TSL, you have this very promising new talent that is starting to perform crazy good, then he goes to one foreigner event, gets back and says "hey yeah I got an offer from this foreign team and I will be leaving to join them." Thats rough, I feel really bad for them, they seem pretty hurt used words like disgusted and disturbing.
I see where you're coming from, but if perhaps if TSL offered Puma better living conditions or more money (or any kind of incentive) then he would have stayed. TSL did have a shot to keep Puma: they knew he was a great up and coming player, and they didn't do anything to make sure he stayed. So he left.
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On July 22 2011 01:56 Walls wrote:The funny thing is that people ignore the points that are strong like the one I posted before, + Show Spoiler +This is going to make Koreans start generalizing foreigners and be scared of sending their players outside of korea.
thus weakening the scene. and only respond to the stupid ones.
In my opinion you didn't make a strong point. This is just speculation, without any reasons to support your point.
Speculation should be ignored, however i agree with you that a lot of the other points don't derserve attention either, however here i am giving you attention.
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On July 22 2011 01:59 DoomsVille wrote:
Was PuMa not contracted to TSL? If he's not, than I don't see what the problem is.
i dont beleive he was on any sort of contract which is why this was possible at all. the majority of korean teams have no contracts or salary for players yet so, Puma took what was most advantageous to him. Don't see why this is a big deal at all either, considering TSL had no legal right to him what-so-ever. Sure its unfortunate and ide be irriated also but thats the price you pay for not being able to pay and contract your players yet.
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On July 22 2011 01:55 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 01:53 berserkboar wrote:On July 22 2011 01:52 Leafren wrote:
Assuming we know everything there is to know:
Of course EG has the 'right' to do this. However I dont think its respectful towards TSL to approach a player directly. As mentioned, in professional sports moves like this are forbiden outside of the transfer window for obvious reasons. If we want eSPORTS to grow and especially become more professional, moves like this shouldn't be tolerated in my opinion.
hello i agree But there is no transfer season and no professional sports teams will ever talk to another team for a player unless it is forced, because the team with the player most likely wants to keep the player and hinder any transfer.
Agreed, but just because the legislation isn't there doens't excuse the action I think.
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