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Walls
Profile Joined May 2011
United States172 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 16:57:50
July 21 2011 16:56 GMT
#3601
The funny thing is that people ignore the points that are strong like the one I posted before,
+ Show Spoiler +
This is going to make Koreans start generalizing foreigners and be scared of sending their players outside of korea.
thus weakening the scene.

and only respond to the stupid ones.

User was temp banned for this post.
SlayerS_Eve's third fan, in the time of hatred... very very proud of that.
Lankeer
Profile Joined July 2011
35 Posts
July 21 2011 16:56 GMT
#3602
On July 22 2011 01:54 stratmatt wrote:
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On July 22 2011 01:51 Lankeer wrote:
On July 22 2011 01:49 stratmatt wrote:
ITT: A bunch of people who have no idea what playing for TSL was like and have no idea exactly how their team was structured crying over a great sc2 player pursuing a life oppurtunity that he obviously feels was a better direction to go in. In fact, they are more concerned about some COACH's feelings than the players. Seriously, the COACH...what has he won again? So pathetic.

Lol that's a retarded view. So apparently the ONLY people who deserve to be treated fairly in the esports business are the players? Let's just forget the hundreds/thousands of people that work tirelessly behind the scenes to help and support esports. Coach Lee gave his time to help the players of TSL become who they are.



Yeah as if COACH LEE hasnt benefited from having such amazing players willing to play for his team? All things come to an end evnetually. Big deal. As a coach he should know you dont put all your eggs in one basket so he shouldnt expect that any of his players will be around forever. Thats what all coaches in all sports have to deal with. Get over it already.

They play for his team to receive his training and expertise...Of course he doesn't expect players to be around forever but he should at least be contacted/approached prior to another team taking TSL's MVP.
Rodiel3
Profile Joined March 2011
France1158 Posts
July 21 2011 16:57 GMT
#3603
gl hf on your new team puma
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MrDudeMan
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada973 Posts
July 21 2011 16:57 GMT
#3604
On July 22 2011 01:56 Leafren wrote:
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Why are people mad that the TSL coach wasn't contacted? Is it really the tradition in Korea that you're supposed to ask somebody's current boss permission to hire that person?


The difference is that SC is (aspires to be) a sport. You don't negociate with a player from another team behind the coaches/management's back. Surely you see the issue with that?


The players have no agents that can take side with their best interests, surely you see the issue with that?
jupidar
Profile Joined December 2010
United States229 Posts
July 21 2011 16:57 GMT
#3605
How will Puma practice now? Unless EG is going to make a Korea house...
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 21 2011 16:58 GMT
#3606
Is EG going to send Puma to MLGs and stuff?
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kdmx
Profile Joined April 2010
United States23 Posts
July 21 2011 16:58 GMT
#3607
On July 22 2011 01:52 lunchforthesky wrote:
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On July 22 2011 01:50 LovE-z33k wrote:
All of you guys are fucking retarded.

EG did nothing wrong. They went to the player, who the ultimate decision belongs to, and sent him an offer. He thought about it, he talked to his coach about it, he accepted it.

Get off your high horse and stop all of the crying.


You have no idea about business.


Please enlighten us on your business acumen then. Seems to me it's on par with how business operates. If another company offers me something better than what I have at my current job, why the hell would I stay?
All.In
Profile Joined August 2010
United States214 Posts
July 21 2011 16:58 GMT
#3608
EG lives up to their name. They are willing to make the moves to be the best. I love it. It might not be the best moral decision but this is one of the inevitable situations we will run into as the Korean and Western E-Sports start to compete. I think it is awesome that more and more Koreans are joining foreign teams. This is proof of the sport success and the games success world wide.

Also TSL has been losing/releasing quiet a few of their bigger names. There may be more going on behind the scene then we are aware of. I was surprised when FruitDealer left since he put the team on the map IMO.

Best of luck to Puma and I hope we continue to see more and more top level Koreans branch out into the "foreign" scene. I feel we will get to see more games from them then if they were just in GSL. Also if this trend keeps going the "foreign" tourneys will be of a caliber comparable to the GSL simply because their top players will be in our tourneys all the time too.
It is what it is
th2pun1sh3r
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States107 Posts
July 21 2011 16:58 GMT
#3609
nice. Just goes to show that money trumps integrity and team spirit. I love how EG makes this offer only because he won the tournament and the fact that they would have no interest in him if he didn't win it. So its like they are just trying to buy his success for team EG.


What a sick world we live in.
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Tarbosh
Profile Joined October 2010
United States127 Posts
July 21 2011 16:58 GMT
#3610
On July 22 2011 01:56 Walls wrote:
The funny thing is that people ignore the points that are strong like the one I posted before,
+ Show Spoiler +
This is going to make Koreans start generalizing foreigners and be scared of sending their players outside of korea.
thus weakening the scene.

and only respond to the stupid ones.



It is not a strong point. It is a stupid one.

User was warned for this post
monitor
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2408 Posts
July 21 2011 16:58 GMT
#3611
On July 22 2011 01:56 Wraith.978 wrote:
Maybe they should've approached the coach first, but regardless the final decision should remain with the player and he made his decision so I don't really have a problem with this at all.


Agreed. The player can do whatever he wants regardless of what his coach thinks. If the coach feels betrayed, that's his fault NOT the players. I'm sure Puma can make good decisions for himself. If he wasn't under the right conditions with TSL, I'm happy for him to move to EG.
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Moralez
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1857 Posts
July 21 2011 16:58 GMT
#3612
On July 22 2011 01:56 Leafren wrote:
Show nested quote +
Why are people mad that the TSL coach wasn't contacted? Is it really the tradition in Korea that you're supposed to ask somebody's current boss permission to hire that person?


The difference is that SC is (aspires to be) a sport. You don't negociate with a player from another team behind the coaches/management's back. Surely you see the issue with that?


Maybe they would contact the coaches if he had a contract? just maybe not sure tho...
seriously so many people talking about they dont know...
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Mioraka
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada1353 Posts
July 21 2011 16:58 GMT
#3613
On July 22 2011 01:51 RoyalCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 01:50 LovE-z33k wrote:
All of you guys are fucking retarded.

EG did nothing wrong. They went to the player, who the ultimate decision belongs to, and sent him an offer. He thought about it, he talked to his coach about it, he accepted it.

Get off your high horse and stop all of the crying.


This. I love how so many TL-ers think that their opinion actually matters.


It obviously does when the whole fucking purpose of sponsoring a team or a player is to make you buy their shit.

So yeah, my opinion obviously fucking matters cuz if they keep doing shit like this, I'll make sure me, my friends and my family don't ever buy shit from companies that are sponsoring this team.

Geez, a marketing effort that don't care about people's opinion? Which world do u live in?
LovE-
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1963 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 17:10:08
July 21 2011 16:58 GMT
#3614
On July 22 2011 01:56 Walls wrote:
The funny thing is that people ignore the points that are strong like the one I posted before,
+ Show Spoiler +
This is going to make Koreans start generalizing foreigners and be scared of sending their players outside of korea.
thus weakening the scene.

and only respond to the stupid ones.


yes and you spamming the same post several times is going to help it.
If people want to reply, they will.
But your point isn't as strong as you say it is.
User was warned for this post
LovE.311 (NA) || @LovE_Sc2
Moralez
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1857 Posts
July 21 2011 16:58 GMT
#3615
On July 22 2011 01:58 Tarbosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 01:56 Walls wrote:
The funny thing is that people ignore the points that are strong like the one I posted before,
+ Show Spoiler +
This is going to make Koreans start generalizing foreigners and be scared of sending their players outside of korea.
thus weakening the scene.

and only respond to the stupid ones.



It is not a strong point. It is a stupid one.


Indeed it is.

User was warned for this post
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Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
July 21 2011 16:59 GMT
#3616
On July 22 2011 01:56 Leafren wrote:
Show nested quote +
Why are people mad that the TSL coach wasn't contacted? Is it really the tradition in Korea that you're supposed to ask somebody's current boss permission to hire that person?


The difference is that SC is (aspires to be) a sport. You don't negociate with a player from another team behind the coaches/management's back. Surely you see the issue with that?


You don't talk with the coaches/management either, that's what agents are for.
Telebear
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom107 Posts
July 21 2011 16:59 GMT
#3617
On July 22 2011 01:56 Walls wrote:
The funny thing is that people ignore the points that are strong like the one I posted before,
+ Show Spoiler +
This is going to make Koreans start generalizing foreigners and be scared of sending their players outside of korea.
thus weakening the scene.

and only respond to the stupid ones.



thats not a strong point though

if korean teams want their brand to be known on an international scale they'll keep sending players to tournaments just because a korean joined a foreign team doesnt mean suddenly the borders are being shut and the koreans are forced to stay in korea
Walls
Profile Joined May 2011
United States172 Posts
July 21 2011 16:59 GMT
#3618
On July 22 2011 01:58 Tarbosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 01:56 Walls wrote:
The funny thing is that people ignore the points that are strong like the one I posted before,
+ Show Spoiler +
This is going to make Koreans start generalizing foreigners and be scared of sending their players outside of korea.
thus weakening the scene.

and only respond to the stupid ones.



It is not a strong point. It is a stupid one.


Thats it "It is not a strong point. It is a stupid one."
He doesnt have any counter argument or anything, he just says "It is not a strong point. It is a stupid one."
SlayerS_Eve's third fan, in the time of hatred... very very proud of that.
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
July 21 2011 16:59 GMT
#3619
you can argue ethics all day, but honestly until we get how puma was gotten and how involved TSL was then we can show better opinions about how the situation was handled.
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
July 21 2011 16:59 GMT
#3620
Was PuMa not contracted to TSL? If he's not, than I don't see what the problem is.
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