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GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
July 21 2011 17:03 GMT
#3641
TSL's fault for not signing their players with contracts. But really hows Puma gonna practice?
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MDMA_
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada265 Posts
July 21 2011 17:03 GMT
#3642
On July 22 2011 02:00 LovE-z33k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 01:59 Walls wrote:
On July 22 2011 01:58 Tarbosh wrote:
On July 22 2011 01:56 Walls wrote:
The funny thing is that people ignore the points that are strong like the one I posted before,
+ Show Spoiler +
This is going to make Koreans start generalizing foreigners and be scared of sending their players outside of korea.
thus weakening the scene.

and only respond to the stupid ones.



It is not a strong point. It is a stupid one.


Thats it "It is not a strong point. It is a stupid one."
He doesnt have any counter argument or anything, he just says "It is not a strong point. It is a stupid one."


Yeah because you are generalizing that koreans will stop sending players now.

I'll be sure to ask MC about this when I see him at the next NASL Finals for you.


how is this a stupid point? if more of this free agent signings do happen what incentives do korean teams have to send their own players over just to be signed after a good showing?
vpatrickd
Profile Joined November 2010
Indonesia279 Posts
July 21 2011 17:03 GMT
#3643
Why they're mad?
Because it feels like poaching in business terms, only that the poached person told his manager that he is being poached, whereas in real life he's supposed to just quit and kept his mouth quiet.
But nevertheless, EG should have contacted their manager, before or after they talked to Puma. That's how business practices are done in Asia.
LovE-
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1963 Posts
July 21 2011 17:03 GMT
#3644
On July 22 2011 02:01 Walls wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 01:59 Telebear wrote:
On July 22 2011 01:56 Walls wrote:
The funny thing is that people ignore the points that are strong like the one I posted before,
+ Show Spoiler +
This is going to make Koreans start generalizing foreigners and be scared of sending their players outside of korea.
thus weakening the scene.

and only respond to the stupid ones.



thats not a strong point though

if korean teams want their brand to be known on an international scale they'll keep sending players to tournaments just because a korean joined a foreign team doesnt mean suddenly the borders are being shut and the koreans are forced to stay in korea


No but as this will happen more and more often, my point could be true.
Koreans have a history of being on their own and still being the best.


"My point could be true"

Stop generalizing.
LovE.311 (NA) || @LovE_Sc2
QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
July 21 2011 17:03 GMT
#3645
On July 21 2011 15:10 Fionn wrote:
Wow, if this is true, I lose all respect for EG. This really could kill Korean teams sending players to North American/European events. If they stole or pried away Puma while he was at NASL and Puma was under contract at the time, that's really, really disappointing. This will discourage teams from sending players to events in fear of international teams trying to steal players away.

If TSL is lying or this isn't true, then I take it back, but this could really damage what has been a really good partnership between the international tournaments and Korean teams.


I couldn't agree more with this post. It's a damn shame this wasn't handled professionally.
"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 17:05:00
July 21 2011 17:04 GMT
#3646
On July 22 2011 02:03 GinDo wrote:
TSL's fault for not signing their players with contracts. But really hows Puma gonna practice?

Korean copy of SC2 or practice with EG or Europe ladder or he might stay in GSL as a player for EG who knows.
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
July 21 2011 17:04 GMT
#3647
On July 22 2011 01:56 Leafren wrote:
Show nested quote +
Why are people mad that the TSL coach wasn't contacted? Is it really the tradition in Korea that you're supposed to ask somebody's current boss permission to hire that person?


The difference is that SC is (aspires to be) a sport. You don't negociate with a player from another team behind the coaches/management's back. Surely you see the issue with that?


You realize that in sports the teams talk to the player's agent right? The agent represents the player not the team or the coach. If TSL was properly contracted then this would have been prohibited but we have reason to believe that there is no contract to begin with.

You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
elementz
Profile Joined October 2010
United States281 Posts
July 21 2011 17:04 GMT
#3648
I thought TSL was going under, and I doubt they had any money for salaries so I guess there was no salary for their players, EG pretty much just got a player that had no contract.
this mah s#$%$
jiveturkey
Profile Joined March 2011
United States18 Posts
July 21 2011 17:04 GMT
#3649
"EG offered a free agent a contract. The free agent decided to accept it. The team that didn't want to contract player is upset they didn't."-FXOSHETH
BadLuckHeeb
Profile Joined February 2011
United States6 Posts
July 21 2011 17:04 GMT
#3650
After 178 pages of this, all I gather is that the Korean scene is upset over some perceived rip job on the part of Evil Geniuses. Really? Respect and yadda yadda... Respect died a long time ago in sports. People get smuggled out of various countries to come play in different leagues in sports all over the world. You think Cubans would play baseball in the US if people didnt "steal" them out of the country...

In my opinion, Puma did the right thing. He abandoned a sinking ship. Artosis, Idra and Tyler have all stated that the kid was a heady player with e-stro. Maybe he couldnt make it through the cheese-fest that is the open tournament to get into codeA/codeS. Doesn't make the kid a bad player nor does it mean he owes TSL EVERYTHING for where he is. If he was a good player before odds were he was gonna be a good player now.

Last time I checked, the player always has the option to do whats best for him. In any sport the agent looking out for his client generally tells the player of offers before telling the other teams... there are some situations where this is not the case like a baseball player being traded.... but for the most part its correct. If you wanna be mad about anything be mad that the sport hasnt evolved to the point where players need agents. The way things are set up now, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the way this came out for all parties considered. Be mad at the system. You want KeSPA back? Really?! GG to anyone making a business decision ever again in the KR scene then...

Look people try to get ahead by underhanded means every day. EG didnt do anything underhanded. Underhanded would be like "hey Puma... wanna join EG? You make more money..." and Puma says "Hell yes" and then no one tells TSL. Thats underhanded... The fact is that he told TSL... the people that needed to know were told. You lost guys... tough shit... Maybe if you were in a better situation you'd have the money to keep these "practice players" that you pay almost nothing...
"next thing i know im blowing lines of voodoo powder off the back of a monkeys paw i bought in calcutta... now im all outta wishes"
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
July 21 2011 17:04 GMT
#3651
On July 22 2011 02:00 LovE-z33k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 01:59 Walls wrote:
On July 22 2011 01:58 Tarbosh wrote:
On July 22 2011 01:56 Walls wrote:
The funny thing is that people ignore the points that are strong like the one I posted before,
+ Show Spoiler +
This is going to make Koreans start generalizing foreigners and be scared of sending their players outside of korea.
thus weakening the scene.

and only respond to the stupid ones.



It is not a strong point. It is a stupid one.


Thats it "It is not a strong point. It is a stupid one."
He doesnt have any counter argument or anything, he just says "It is not a strong point. It is a stupid one."


Yeah because you are generalizing that koreans will stop sending players now.

I'll be sure to ask MC about this when I see him at the next NASL Finals for you.

MC goes in the name of SK gaming now. SK sends them for international events, that's already the deal.
lunchforthesky
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom967 Posts
July 21 2011 17:04 GMT
#3652
On July 22 2011 01:54 ploy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 01:53 lunchforthesky wrote:
On July 22 2011 01:51 Capook wrote:
Why are people mad that the TSL coach wasn't contacted? Is it really the tradition in Korea that you're supposed to ask somebody's current boss permission to hire that person?

It is certainly not this way in the west...

Of course if Puma is violating some contract then there's a legal issue, but nobody seems to be accusing anybody of breach of contract. Why all the rage?


It is that way in the West.


Seriously wtf jobs do you work? It is not that way in the west.. AT ALL.

Everyone who thinks it is must seriously be 14 and jobless or... I honestly don't know.


In Western sports if you want to sign a player you approach the team first.
SaYyId
Profile Joined August 2010
Portugal277 Posts
July 21 2011 17:04 GMT
#3653
I knew it! One day, they'd show us the name Evil Geniuses wasn't picked arbitrarily!
Anyway, I don't understand what's wrong with it. They bought(?) a player and that's it. What's the fucking problem?
No Strings. No attachments.
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
July 21 2011 17:04 GMT
#3654
On July 22 2011 02:03 MDMA_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 02:00 LovE-z33k wrote:
On July 22 2011 01:59 Walls wrote:
On July 22 2011 01:58 Tarbosh wrote:
On July 22 2011 01:56 Walls wrote:
The funny thing is that people ignore the points that are strong like the one I posted before,
+ Show Spoiler +
This is going to make Koreans start generalizing foreigners and be scared of sending their players outside of korea.
thus weakening the scene.

and only respond to the stupid ones.



It is not a strong point. It is a stupid one.


Thats it "It is not a strong point. It is a stupid one."
He doesnt have any counter argument or anything, he just says "It is not a strong point. It is a stupid one."


Yeah because you are generalizing that koreans will stop sending players now.

I'll be sure to ask MC about this when I see him at the next NASL Finals for you.


how is this a stupid point? if more of this free agent signings do happen what incentives do korean teams have to send their own players over just to be signed after a good showing?


cause contacting the player at a foreign event is the only way to contact a player........ oh wait
MrDudeMan
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada973 Posts
July 21 2011 17:05 GMT
#3655
On July 22 2011 02:01 Walls wrote:

No but as this will happen more and more often, my point could be true.
Koreans have a history of being on their own and still being the best.


What?? How do they have a history of being on their own? The reason koreans didn't come out for BW was because there were no major international tournaments for BW. In WC3 players like Moon joined foreign teams like MYM. Koreans don't have a history of being on their own, korea has a history of being the only place to actually compete in BW.
CellTech
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada396 Posts
July 21 2011 17:05 GMT
#3656
I always knew Western teams with money backing them would find it a lot easier to buy talent than to groom it. Sad part is, The North American scene (MLG for ie.) must have sent shivers through MC's body when he heard them chanting. Korean players must have saw/heard about this, and now there's talk that NA teams will pay them double and send them to these events, where there's more than 10 fans in the seats, who CHEER for them? tempting no?
^ Probably a Troll Post
MDMA_
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada265 Posts
July 21 2011 17:05 GMT
#3657
On July 22 2011 02:04 lunchforthesky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 01:54 ploy wrote:
On July 22 2011 01:53 lunchforthesky wrote:
On July 22 2011 01:51 Capook wrote:
Why are people mad that the TSL coach wasn't contacted? Is it really the tradition in Korea that you're supposed to ask somebody's current boss permission to hire that person?

It is certainly not this way in the west...

Of course if Puma is violating some contract then there's a legal issue, but nobody seems to be accusing anybody of breach of contract. Why all the rage?


It is that way in the West.


Seriously wtf jobs do you work? It is not that way in the west.. AT ALL.

Everyone who thinks it is must seriously be 14 and jobless or... I honestly don't know.


In Western sports if you want to sign a player you approach the team first.

not necessarily depends on what situation the player is in. if u wanna sign the player u approach the player if you want to approach a team you TRADE for the player. you cant approach a player under contract
kawaiiryuko
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States368 Posts
July 21 2011 17:05 GMT
#3658
Maybe it is like a foreign-team-arms-race. "FXO and SK both got koreans! We need our own Koreans!"

and we'll have a goldKorean-rush.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 21 2011 17:05 GMT
#3659
On July 22 2011 02:03 GinDo wrote:
TSL's fault for not signing their players with contracts. But really hows Puma gonna practice?


They were under contract...
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
July 21 2011 17:06 GMT
#3660
On July 22 2011 02:04 lunchforthesky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 01:54 ploy wrote:
On July 22 2011 01:53 lunchforthesky wrote:
On July 22 2011 01:51 Capook wrote:
Why are people mad that the TSL coach wasn't contacted? Is it really the tradition in Korea that you're supposed to ask somebody's current boss permission to hire that person?

It is certainly not this way in the west...

Of course if Puma is violating some contract then there's a legal issue, but nobody seems to be accusing anybody of breach of contract. Why all the rage?


It is that way in the West.


Seriously wtf jobs do you work? It is not that way in the west.. AT ALL.

Everyone who thinks it is must seriously be 14 and jobless or... I honestly don't know.


In Western sports if you want to sign a player you approach the team first.


who cares about western sport, sc2 is not a western "sport", it doesnt have its own rules, stop trying to apply MLB/NHL/NBA/NFL rules to sc2, cause its not the same thing
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