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soul5
Germany33 Posts
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Bouric
United States18 Posts
It's no different from real sports, if a free agent has an awesome season then teams start offering them alot of money to come play for them. If their current team doesn't make a reasonable counter offer then there is no reason a player should take less than what they deserve. Bottom line is that it was Pumas choice and he took the better offer. I can see why TSL coach would be upset but he has no legitimate reason to complain. Also I'm just curious is there any news of what puma is going to be doing? Is he moving to the US or staying in Korea or what? Seems odd to sign a contract with a team that you will never see (EG doesn't have any players in korea anymore if I'm not mistaken). Maybe its time that idra and possibly some others return to Korea and try to get EG back in the starlight. | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On July 22 2011 02:03 vpatrickd wrote: Why they're mad? Because it feels like poaching in business terms, only that the poached person told his manager that he is being poached, whereas in real life he's supposed to just quit and kept his mouth quiet. But nevertheless, EG should have contacted their manager, before or after they talked to Puma. That's how business practices are done in Asia. That's kind of the point, but for some reason we're having a discussion on contracts. | ||
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Luppy1
Singapore177 Posts
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Merany
France890 Posts
But really, I don't like this move. People are saying that it's like their job or average company but I'm not sure you can make the comparison. Companies do not have fans, it's not about entertainment. When FXO bought fOu, reactions were positives because they did it properly. This feels a bit dirty to me and I don't know if EG should ignore masses of fans. | ||
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BZZ
Canada25 Posts
On July 22 2011 02:00 unoriginalname wrote: Everybody has been saying recently that PuMa has huge potential, but has not yet fully realised it. How will removing him from a professional Korean team house tap his potential? I suppose being shipped out to foreign tournaments frequently may help with his nerve issues, but nerve issues are going to be the last of his worries if his skill stagnates from not having a good team to practice with on the level he is currently used to. There may also be a problem for the growth of ESPORTS when Koreans are reluctant to send their best players to foreign events if their financial or team status is in peril, for fear of their players being shown a wad of cash and getting snatched by another team. Players like DongRaeGu who is undoubtedly carrying his whole, unsponsored team at the moment is such a risk. Sending him to a foreign event where a team can wave a lot of money in front of his eyes may be very risky for MVP, but luckily he is close enough with his team that this shouldn't be a problem (I hope). I really hope EG know what they're doing and that PuMA will continue to flourish, because if it turns out his skill declines from not being in a professional environment, then we will all know who to blame for ruining the most prominent up and coming players. Well I guess they needed to get their own Koreans as if FXO ships their strong FXO Korean division players out to international events and SK ships NaDa and MC, then the representation of foreign teams is going to go down the pan. Perhaps other teams need to start thinking along the same lines. Anyway, here is a poorly made photoshop pic. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/y221a.jpg) The point concerning Korean teams being worried to send players to NA/EU events is the most concerning part for me. If teams are worried that sending players to events will lead to "secret" offers to steal their players this will lead to an adversarial stance that is not good for competition. This also has to do with the economics of sponsorship. Big NA/EU teams are getting large sponsors allowing for better player salaries. Korean teams are reliant on smaller local Korean companies for SC2 due to the continued strength of SCBW in terms of taking larger sponsors. Right now, there may be a large exodus of Korean players to foreign teams as they will offer better salaries and financial rewards for performance; see FXOpen & fOu, SK & MC/NADA. | ||
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p1cKLes
United States342 Posts
But you have to think about it…If I work for a company and another company wants me. Do you think they are going to contact my boss and broker a deal with them directly? lol..I’d love to hear that conversation. Geezus. No, they are going to talk to me and ask if I’m interested. Now, I get it. Korean business practices are slightly different than the US. There is a cultural divide as well as a divide between E-sports and typical business, but never the less they went to Puma, because ultimately it’s his decision as to whether or not he stays or goes. We’re not talking about a piece of property here. The bottom line is EG was willing to give Puma what TSL obviously hasn’t been willing to give Puma. Puma has been with TSL for a long time and has gone nowhere, because TSL was too busy pushing other players. Also, don’t you think TSL had an opportunity to counter offer? I bet you they did…and what came of that? Apparently, nothing. Only a disgruntled coach who felt like he was blinded sited. Maybe he was but, doesn’t change the facts. TSL hasn’t been that willing to promote Puma and EG is. Ask yourself if you were in a similar situation what would do? | ||
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Rasun
United States787 Posts
On July 22 2011 01:59 oogieogie wrote: you can argue ethics all day, but honestly until we get how puma was gotten and how involved TSL was then we can show better opinions about how the situation was handled. I agree, I'm waiting for an official statement to be made by EG, Puma, or somebody explaining their side of things. TSL's management seems to be pretty upset but we need both sides before making judgments. | ||
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Chillton
Canada85 Posts
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Davidmu
28 Posts
On July 22 2011 02:04 zev318 wrote: cause contacting the player at a foreign event is the only way to contact a player........ oh wait Also let's say a team don't send their best player to an international event, don't you think the player might find a team who will, if it's an ambition for them to compete in these tournaments | ||
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oogieogie
United States3657 Posts
They are just jumping to assumptions because they don't know all the facts. I would much rather have people base their opinions when they do know the whole story so they don't just assume X happened like many are saying puma had no contract when he did. (i am unsure about the puma contract thing also and figure he have one just canceled it early) | ||
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Zandar
Netherlands1541 Posts
On July 22 2011 02:10 soul5 wrote: EG is ruining Esports. EG is growing Esports. | ||
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lunchforthesky
United Kingdom967 Posts
On July 22 2011 02:08 Adreme wrote: What sport is this true in? The cavaliers were not approached by all the teams that wanted Lebron, football teams arent approached by all teams that want the free agents, the players are the ones approached. The only time that the team is approached is when you dont wanna the player away but you wanna sign him to work for your team in addition to his current one (happens occationally in MLS (Major League Soccer)). American sports have weird/retarded rules but in free market sports unless the player is out of contract (which Puma wasn't) you approach the club or the league will fine you or dock points. There's many examples of this. This is why Sc2 needs a KESPA style organisation but obviously without many elemenets of KESPA. | ||
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xXFireandIceXx
Canada4296 Posts
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Venomsflame
United States613 Posts
On July 22 2011 02:05 CellTech wrote: I always knew Western teams with money backing them would find it a lot easier to buy talent than to groom it. Sad part is, The North American scene (MLG for ie.) must have sent shivers through MC's body when he heard them chanting. Korean players must have saw/heard about this, and now there's talk that NA teams will pay them double and send them to these events, where there's more than 10 fans in the seats, who CHEER for them? tempting no? This is actually a great point imo. Puma walked out and heard the crowd CHANTING his name. That simply doesn't happen in Korea. The thing is for Koreans coming to foreign events they are hit by an insane atmosphere. If the money will match the experience, we might see a lot more Koreans joining foreign teams. | ||
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eauxlune
43 Posts
On July 22 2011 02:07 Redox wrote: Competition between the teams for signing players is the best thing that could happen to the players. So far they are paid very few money or nothing at all, this could help to change this. I 100% agree with this. With competition for players, teams will have to pump more money in to contracts to get more talent. Who knows, though. With this infusion, players will gain higher salaries, and this might cause a demand for higher prize pools. Higher prize pools might then equate to higher interest. This is all speculative of course. I really think that the fact that EG is taking a US Sports approach to this is fantastic. I'm not a particular EG fan, but I think this move was incredible for ESPORTS. Just look at how many people are tuning in just to see what is said. | ||
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slimbo1
Germany228 Posts
On July 22 2011 02:08 Adreme wrote: What sport is this true in? The cavaliers were not approached by all the teams that wanted Lebron, football teams arent approached by all teams that want the free agents, the players are the ones approached. The only time that the team is approached is when you dont wanna the player away but you wanna sign him to work for your team in addition to his current one (happens occationally in MLS (Major League Soccer)). Yeah. Also for example in german labour law the employee is responsible for his/her contract. So if there's another company for which he would like to work or this company would like to sign him, the employee himself has to talk with his current company. The new company has nothing to do with the termiantion of the contract. | ||
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Khasidon
Denmark29 Posts
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Weltenfeind
Denmark6 Posts
On July 22 2011 02:08 Lankeer wrote: By that logic nobody should post any opinions at all because they "don't know the whole story." People are using the information that they've got and are basing their opinions on that. I don't see anything wrong with doing this. But it would free TL from a lot of bullshit.  Congrats to EG and PuMa from here. | ||
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Mioraka
Canada1353 Posts
On July 22 2011 02:00 Grimsong wrote: Actually, I think you don't. EG just picked up a very successful, amazing player to join their core. You know who leagues market? THE GOD DAMN WINNERS People watching events live? They remember the winners.People who go to MLG for their FPS games? They glance over at SC2 and see Puma of EG won. Look at history. Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Magic Johnson, Joe Montana, Jerry Rice. Just to name a few WINNERS who people identify. You don't think having a winning player on a team is good marketting and strategy? You're lost. The TL and Korea community is important, but not the end all be all. Wrap your head around more than the basic principles, and maybe there can be a discussion between us. Yes, clearly those people who glance over the screen and sees puma in MLG will decide to pick up a steeleseries product because they love winners. No, you don't understand wha is marketing because u can't seem to differentiate core customers, which are they ones who will respond to you message, and non-core customers, who don't give a fuck. Sure, the fpsers are going to see it when puma wins some games, they won't know about the back story, what they also won't know is.....well, anything else, wether steeleseries or ironmatches are supporting the team is no different because they won't buy that shit anyways. TL and Korea are exactly the people they should care the most, because these are their ideal customers, no one else would buy their shit because they support a sc2 player who they saw playing once and can't remember the name of. | ||
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