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On July 22 2011 02:03 IamAnton wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 01:59 DoomsVille wrote:
Was PuMa not contracted to TSL? If he's not, than I don't see what the problem is. i dont beleive he was on any sort of contract which is why this was possible at all. the majority of korean teams have no contracts or salary for players yet so, Puma took what was most advantageous to him. Don't see why this is a big deal at all either, considering TSL had no legal right to him what-so-ever. Sure its unfortunate and ide be irriated also but thats the price you pay for not being able to pay and contract your players yet.
Yes! Thank you! If TSL really wanted to keep Puma (they knew for damn sure that he was a great player) they could have just offered him a contract. Because they didn't, they ran the risk of this happening and that's their own fault
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On July 22 2011 02:03 QTIP. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 15:10 Fionn wrote:
Wow, if this is true, I lose all respect for EG. This really could kill Korean teams sending players to North American/European events. If they stole or pried away Puma while he was at NASL and Puma was under contract at the time, that's really, really disappointing. This will discourage teams from sending players to events in fear of international teams trying to steal players away.
If TSL is lying or this isn't true, then I take it back, but this could really damage what has been a really good partnership between the international tournaments and Korean teams. I couldn't agree more with this post. It's a damn shame this wasn't handled professionally.
How do you know that it was not handled professionally? You don't know if there was a contract or not and you've only heard one point of view so far.
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So has EG released a statement yet or what?
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On July 22 2011 02:05 MDMA_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 02:04 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 22 2011 01:54 ploy wrote:On July 22 2011 01:53 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 22 2011 01:51 Capook wrote:
Why are people mad that the TSL coach wasn't contacted? Is it really the tradition in Korea that you're supposed to ask somebody's current boss permission to hire that person?
It is certainly not this way in the west...
Of course if Puma is violating some contract then there's a legal issue, but nobody seems to be accusing anybody of breach of contract. Why all the rage? It is that way in the West. Seriously wtf jobs do you work? It is not that way in the west.. AT ALL. Everyone who thinks it is must seriously be 14 and jobless or... I honestly don't know. In Western sports if you want to sign a player you approach the team first. not necessarily depends on what situation the player is in. if u wanna sign the player u approach the player if you want to approach a team you TRADE for the player. you cant approach a player under contract
Puma was under contract.
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On July 22 2011 02:05 MDMA_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 02:04 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 22 2011 01:54 ploy wrote:On July 22 2011 01:53 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 22 2011 01:51 Capook wrote:
Why are people mad that the TSL coach wasn't contacted? Is it really the tradition in Korea that you're supposed to ask somebody's current boss permission to hire that person?
It is certainly not this way in the west...
Of course if Puma is violating some contract then there's a legal issue, but nobody seems to be accusing anybody of breach of contract. Why all the rage? It is that way in the West. Seriously wtf jobs do you work? It is not that way in the west.. AT ALL. Everyone who thinks it is must seriously be 14 and jobless or... I honestly don't know. In Western sports if you want to sign a player you approach the team first. not necessarily depends on what situation the player is in. if u wanna sign the player u approach the player if you want to approach a team you TRADE for the player. you cant approach a player under contract
You approach the player, THEN apporach the team, not skipping it.
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Competition between the teams for signing players is the best thing that could happen to the players.
So far they are paid very few money or nothing at all, this could help to change this.
If Puma is now paid properly for his profession, congrats to him!
And I am saying this as somene who doesnt really like EG.
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On July 22 2011 02:06 Thrax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 02:03 QTIP. wrote:On July 21 2011 15:10 Fionn wrote:
Wow, if this is true, I lose all respect for EG. This really could kill Korean teams sending players to North American/European events. If they stole or pried away Puma while he was at NASL and Puma was under contract at the time, that's really, really disappointing. This will discourage teams from sending players to events in fear of international teams trying to steal players away.
If TSL is lying or this isn't true, then I take it back, but this could really damage what has been a really good partnership between the international tournaments and Korean teams. I couldn't agree more with this post. It's a damn shame this wasn't handled professionally. How do you know that it was not handled professionally? You don't know if there was a contract or not and you've only heard one point of view so far.
By that logic nobody should post any opinions at all because they "don't know the whole story." People are using the information that they've got and are basing their opinions on that. I don't see anything wrong with doing this.
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On July 22 2011 02:06 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 02:04 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 22 2011 01:54 ploy wrote:On July 22 2011 01:53 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 22 2011 01:51 Capook wrote:
Why are people mad that the TSL coach wasn't contacted? Is it really the tradition in Korea that you're supposed to ask somebody's current boss permission to hire that person?
It is certainly not this way in the west...
Of course if Puma is violating some contract then there's a legal issue, but nobody seems to be accusing anybody of breach of contract. Why all the rage? It is that way in the West. Seriously wtf jobs do you work? It is not that way in the west.. AT ALL. Everyone who thinks it is must seriously be 14 and jobless or... I honestly don't know. In Western sports if you want to sign a player you approach the team first. who cares about western sport, sc2 is not a western "sport", it doesnt have its own rules, stop trying to apply MLB/NHL/NBA/NFL rules to sc2, cause its not the same thing
this isnt true either, you eventually want the e-sports scene to become as big as the mlb/nhl/nba/nfl so you do want to follow some kind of model with respects to teams/player interactions
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At least this is moving "esports" in the direction of other organizations that have more money in them.
Everything they tell us is PR and then they just do what they want. They will take some heat, tell us some good words or something we want to hear. After Puma plays his first event as EG probably everyone will forget about this.
I don't think it is a bad thing, and I'm guessing we don't know the full details, but for EG claiming they are on the up and up then do something that looks kinda underhanded is what bothers me. I look forward to the next episode of inside the game, live on three, and state of the game to see what is going to be said.
Edit: just read some more of thread. If it is true Puma had no contract with TSL then I guess there is nothing wrong with EG picking him up. But considering he didn't have a contract they could have at least told TSL they offered him a deal, would have avoided them this 200 page thread
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I am not a huge fan of EG but in this case i believe they made a great choice. From the sounds of it puma was not in a contract. Which to me means TSL obviously was unsure of pumas talents. EG seeing the wow of his talent wanted him. This would have happened in any other field. Great decision for EG. Bad decision with TSL. Its the job of the team to keep their players. It sucks when some one can throw an offer on the table that the team cant beat.
Stopping foriegners from buying Korean players would be a bad decision. I think the more foriegn teams aquire koreans and bring them in their group and the more they start training like the koreans means more competition for the koreans. Which i think be better for the foriegners, and the more money coming from an outside source for korea is good for korea. Just my opinion. Puma is an amazing choice and EG you made a great Decision. Good luck to both
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On July 22 2011 02:04 lunchforthesky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 01:54 ploy wrote:On July 22 2011 01:53 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 22 2011 01:51 Capook wrote:
Why are people mad that the TSL coach wasn't contacted? Is it really the tradition in Korea that you're supposed to ask somebody's current boss permission to hire that person?
It is certainly not this way in the west...
Of course if Puma is violating some contract then there's a legal issue, but nobody seems to be accusing anybody of breach of contract. Why all the rage? It is that way in the West. Seriously wtf jobs do you work? It is not that way in the west.. AT ALL. Everyone who thinks it is must seriously be 14 and jobless or... I honestly don't know. In Western sports if you want to sign a player you approach the team first.
What sport is this true in? The cavaliers were not approached by all the teams that wanted Lebron, football teams arent approached by all teams that want the free agents, the players are the ones approached. The only time that the team is approached is when you dont wanna the player away but you wanna sign him to work for your team in addition to his current one (happens occationally in MLS (Major League Soccer)).
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On July 22 2011 02:08 Lankeer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 02:06 Thrax wrote:On July 22 2011 02:03 QTIP. wrote:On July 21 2011 15:10 Fionn wrote:
Wow, if this is true, I lose all respect for EG. This really could kill Korean teams sending players to North American/European events. If they stole or pried away Puma while he was at NASL and Puma was under contract at the time, that's really, really disappointing. This will discourage teams from sending players to events in fear of international teams trying to steal players away.
If TSL is lying or this isn't true, then I take it back, but this could really damage what has been a really good partnership between the international tournaments and Korean teams. I couldn't agree more with this post. It's a damn shame this wasn't handled professionally. How do you know that it was not handled professionally? You don't know if there was a contract or not and you've only heard one point of view so far. By that logic nobody should post any opinions at all because they "don't know the whole story." People are using the information that they've got and basing their opinions on that. I don't see anything wrong with doing this.
since they don't know the whole story their opinion could change once they do know it.
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PuMa has become the Alex Radulov of the starcraft world.
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On July 22 2011 02:09 oogieogie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 02:08 Lankeer wrote:On July 22 2011 02:06 Thrax wrote:On July 22 2011 02:03 QTIP. wrote:On July 21 2011 15:10 Fionn wrote:
Wow, if this is true, I lose all respect for EG. This really could kill Korean teams sending players to North American/European events. If they stole or pried away Puma while he was at NASL and Puma was under contract at the time, that's really, really disappointing. This will discourage teams from sending players to events in fear of international teams trying to steal players away.
If TSL is lying or this isn't true, then I take it back, but this could really damage what has been a really good partnership between the international tournaments and Korean teams. I couldn't agree more with this post. It's a damn shame this wasn't handled professionally. How do you know that it was not handled professionally? You don't know if there was a contract or not and you've only heard one point of view so far. By that logic nobody should post any opinions at all because they "don't know the whole story." People are using the information that they've got and basing their opinions on that. I don't see anything wrong with doing this. since they don't know the whole story their opinion could change once they do know it.
Why is that so bad?
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I don't understand why everyone is mad at EG. When did it make you morally bankrupt to offer a contract to a player. If anything it should be TSL getting talked down to for trying to humiliate one of their players for saying he was leaving the team. Offering a non contracted player a contract isn't wrong; making an attempt to humiliate your ex-player by "releasing him" after hes already told you hes leaving is despicable. TSL coach should be ashamed by his actions.
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On July 22 2011 02:07 Redox wrote:
Competition between the teams for signing players is the best thing that could happen to the players.
So far they are paid very few money or nothing at all, this could help to change this.
If Puma is now paid properly for his profession, congrats to him!
And I am saying this as somene who doesnt really like EG.
Literally every single word in this post mirrors my feelings.
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On July 22 2011 02:07 canikizu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 02:05 MDMA_ wrote:On July 22 2011 02:04 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 22 2011 01:54 ploy wrote:On July 22 2011 01:53 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 22 2011 01:51 Capook wrote:
Why are people mad that the TSL coach wasn't contacted? Is it really the tradition in Korea that you're supposed to ask somebody's current boss permission to hire that person?
It is certainly not this way in the west...
Of course if Puma is violating some contract then there's a legal issue, but nobody seems to be accusing anybody of breach of contract. Why all the rage? It is that way in the West. Seriously wtf jobs do you work? It is not that way in the west.. AT ALL. Everyone who thinks it is must seriously be 14 and jobless or... I honestly don't know. In Western sports if you want to sign a player you approach the team first. not necessarily depends on what situation the player is in. if u wanna sign the player u approach the player if you want to approach a team you TRADE for the player. you cant approach a player under contract You approach the player, THEN apporach the team, not skipping it.
again not true, if a player is not under contract you never approach the team. hes a free agent why do you need to apporach the team, there IS NO TEAM. if youre approaching a team this means that the player you are targetting IS under contract. however there is no governing body that handles these kinds of interactions between teams and players in sc2 so it really doesnt matter HOW eg handled it, this is what puma wanted. If he was under some kinda strict contract TSL could easily place legal action against EG. sounds more like puma's contract was an RFA type. You never have to approach a team if youre signing another player...
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On July 22 2011 02:08 ZionsWrath wrote:
At least this is moving "esports" in the direction of other organizations that have more money in them.
Everything they tell us is PR and then they just do what they want. They will take some heat, tell us some good words or something we want to hear. After Puma plays his first event as EG probably everyone will forget about this.
I don't think it is a bad thing, and I'm guessing we don't know the full details, but for EG claiming they are on the up and up then do something that looks kinda underhanded is what bothers me. I look forward to the next episode of inside the game, live on three, and state of the game to see what is going to be said.
Do you really think that TSL didn't tell the story in a way that makes them look good? And EG needed another terran player as they were down to just one (Demuslim), they had the means so why not acquire a great player.
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