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Puma leaves TSL for EG - Page 180

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bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
July 21 2011 16:53 GMT
#3581
On July 22 2011 01:53 Sandro wrote:
Korea is so honorable in their business practices, just look at how they treat their pop idols for one!

LOL

One of the best posts yet
Stay a while and listen || http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=354018
Tarbosh
Profile Joined October 2010
United States127 Posts
July 21 2011 16:54 GMT
#3582
Why would they expect EG to talk to the coaches rather than the player? The player is the one signing the contract. I can't understand why someone would be angry about EG's actions in this scenario. Their reaction is pretty stupid and demeaning to the player.
stratmatt
Profile Joined April 2011
United States913 Posts
July 21 2011 16:54 GMT
#3583
On July 22 2011 01:51 Lankeer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 01:49 stratmatt wrote:
ITT: A bunch of people who have no idea what playing for TSL was like and have no idea exactly how their team was structured crying over a great sc2 player pursuing a life oppurtunity that he obviously feels was a better direction to go in. In fact, they are more concerned about some COACH's feelings than the players. Seriously, the COACH...what has he won again? So pathetic.

Lol that's a retarded view. So apparently the ONLY people who deserve to be treated fairly in the esports business are the players? Let's just forget the hundreds/thousands of people that work tirelessly behind the scenes to help and support esports. Coach Lee gave his time to help the players of TSL become who they are.



Yeah as if COACH LEE hasnt benefited from having such amazing players willing to play for his team? All things come to an end evnetually. Big deal. As a coach he should know you dont put all your eggs in one basket so he shouldnt expect that any of his players will be around forever. Thats what all coaches in all sports have to deal with. Get over it already.
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2751 Posts
July 21 2011 16:54 GMT
#3584
On July 22 2011 01:49 RusHXceL wrote:
Liquid now needs a Korean to join their team lol.

What do you mean? We have Huk :p

ploy
Profile Joined January 2006
United States416 Posts
July 21 2011 16:54 GMT
#3585
On July 22 2011 01:53 lunchforthesky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 01:51 Capook wrote:
Why are people mad that the TSL coach wasn't contacted? Is it really the tradition in Korea that you're supposed to ask somebody's current boss permission to hire that person?

It is certainly not this way in the west...

Of course if Puma is violating some contract then there's a legal issue, but nobody seems to be accusing anybody of breach of contract. Why all the rage?


It is that way in the West.


Seriously wtf jobs do you work? It is not that way in the west.. AT ALL.

Everyone who thinks it is must seriously be 14 and jobless or... I honestly don't know.
berserkboar
Profile Joined June 2011
114 Posts
July 21 2011 16:54 GMT
#3586
can you guys please stop figthing
:(
Walls
Profile Joined May 2011
United States172 Posts
July 21 2011 16:54 GMT
#3587
This is going to make Koreans start generalizing foreigners and be scared of sending their players outside of korea.
thus weakening the scene.
SlayerS_Eve's third fan, in the time of hatred... very very proud of that.
froGGifyre
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States213 Posts
July 21 2011 16:54 GMT
#3588
I think that EG did this wrong, and that is my opinion. GL to TSL and EG
channel PanK since '00 twitter.com/froggifyre twitch.tv/froggifyre
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
July 21 2011 16:55 GMT
#3589
On July 22 2011 01:53 berserkboar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 01:52 Leafren wrote:
Assuming we know everything there is to know:

Of course EG has the 'right' to do this. However I dont think its respectful towards TSL to approach a player directly. As mentioned, in professional sports moves like this are forbiden outside of the transfer window for obvious reasons. If we want eSPORTS to grow and especially become more professional, moves like this shouldn't be tolerated in my opinion.


hello i agree


But there is no transfer season and no professional sports teams will ever talk to another team for a player unless it is forced, because the team with the player most likely wants to keep the player and hinder any transfer.
[Atomic]Peace
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States451 Posts
July 21 2011 16:55 GMT
#3590
On July 22 2011 01:53 lunchforthesky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 01:51 Capook wrote:
Why are people mad that the TSL coach wasn't contacted? Is it really the tradition in Korea that you're supposed to ask somebody's current boss permission to hire that person?

It is certainly not this way in the west...

Of course if Puma is violating some contract then there's a legal issue, but nobody seems to be accusing anybody of breach of contract. Why all the rage?


It is that way in the West.

That's not the way hiring works in the United States, no. Informing your boss that you are looking for another job is professional and common courtesy, but you don't need the permission of your boss to get hired away (excluding situations involving no-compete clauses).
☢
Kuub
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada48 Posts
July 21 2011 16:55 GMT
#3591
On July 22 2011 01:51 Moralez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 01:50 LovE-z33k wrote:
All of you guys are fucking retarded.

EG did nothing wrong. They went to the player, who the ultimate decision belongs to, and sent him an offer. He thought about it, he talked to his coach about it, he accepted it.

Get off your high horse and stop all of the crying.


Yeah agree, Its just funny some ( most of the TL ) posters think they have the right to decide whats right or wrong and judge people.


Isn't that exactly what you're doing? Posting because you think that people posting are wrong and EG is right?

On topic. I feel this could have been handled by EG way better, but I don't think they are in the wrong. IF Puma wasn't under contract then it just comes off as a lack of respect, if he was then it's worse.
Flying_Cake
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada117 Posts
July 21 2011 16:55 GMT
#3592
Good pickup for EG. Finally they will have another top-tier skilled player other than idra.
Bedrock
Profile Joined October 2010
United States395 Posts
July 21 2011 16:55 GMT
#3593
On July 22 2011 01:49 Grimsong wrote:
Also, time out, why does it even matter if they went to TSL first, especially if there is no legal obligation here?

EG:"Hey we're going to offer Puma a contract"
TSL:"But he plays for us"
EG: "Is he contracted"
TSL: "No"

/5 minutes later

Puma: "Hey EG offered me a contract that guarantees my lifestyle instead of being strung along as a free agent mercenary"
TSL: "Oh no"

IT changes nothing. The only way this course of action changes is if TSL doesn't tell Puma, and EG never goes to Puma privately. Then we have a whole different issue of TSL screwing Puma over. Which would you have preferred? Hm?


Just because everything is done legally correct does not make the situation right. Obviously you're going to have people question their way of doing business and whether it is morally right or not.

As you can tell by multiple posts here (which is the community, which matters a heck of a lot), doing business "the right way" is a lot different than doing everything "legally".
eSports or die tryin'
Rasun
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States787 Posts
July 21 2011 16:55 GMT
#3594
Wow, just wow, I knew this trend of koreans to foreign teams would continue, but for one of the most talented up and coming former BW pro's to jump ship is insane.

I feel really bad for TSL, you have this very promising new talent that is starting to perform crazy good, then he goes to one foreigner event, gets back and says "hey yeah I got an offer from this foreign team and I will be leaving to join them." Thats rough, I feel really bad for them, they seem pretty hurt used words like disgusted and disturbing.

Not sure about this for Puma either, I mean he loses the ability to train in a team house, and as far as I can see from the post, he won't be joining the EG house in the states so they must have offered him a salary that was substantial enough for him sacrifice that.
"People need to just settle the fuck down!"- Djwheat <3
Capook
Profile Joined April 2010
United States122 Posts
July 21 2011 16:55 GMT
#3595
On July 22 2011 01:54 ploy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 01:53 lunchforthesky wrote:
On July 22 2011 01:51 Capook wrote:
Why are people mad that the TSL coach wasn't contacted? Is it really the tradition in Korea that you're supposed to ask somebody's current boss permission to hire that person?

It is certainly not this way in the west...

Of course if Puma is violating some contract then there's a legal issue, but nobody seems to be accusing anybody of breach of contract. Why all the rage?


It is that way in the West.


Seriously wtf jobs do you work? It is not that way in the west.. AT ALL.

Everyone who thinks it is must seriously be 14 and jobless or... I honestly don't know.


Yeah I think this must be the case. Silly young sc2 players.
LovE-
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1963 Posts
July 21 2011 16:56 GMT
#3596
On July 22 2011 01:54 Walls wrote:
This is going to make Koreans start generalizing foreigners and be scared of sending their players outside of korea.
thus weakening the scene.


Stop posting the same thing over and over.

And talk about generalization.
LovE.311 (NA) || @LovE_Sc2
Wraith.978
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada37 Posts
July 21 2011 16:56 GMT
#3597
Maybe they should've approached the coach first, but regardless the final decision should remain with the player and he made his decision so I don't really have a problem with this at all.
Platinum Random. "Don't worry, that's just halo" -Huk
Leafren
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium66 Posts
July 21 2011 16:56 GMT
#3598
Why are people mad that the TSL coach wasn't contacted? Is it really the tradition in Korea that you're supposed to ask somebody's current boss permission to hire that person?


The difference is that SC is (aspires to be) a sport. You don't negociate with a player from another team behind the coaches/management's back. Surely you see the issue with that?
Zinnwaldite
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1567 Posts
July 21 2011 16:56 GMT
#3599
On July 22 2011 01:54 berserkboar wrote:
can you guys please stop figthing


MOMMY!!!! DADDY!!!!


STOP IT!!!!! ='(
We promise with a view to hope, but the reason to "accomplish" what we promised would be fear.
CellTech
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada396 Posts
July 21 2011 16:56 GMT
#3600
I think I'm most mad about EG having an actually good player now.. Let's face it, IdrA's decent in tournies with no Koreans, and .. Incontrol is bad and Machine is stuck in Masters, with me.
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