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On July 19 2011 20:58 Elroi wrote:
She is not the first progamer girl
In starcraft 2??
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On July 19 2011 20:57 Xiphiass wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. I'm going to pretend for a sake of the argument that I have a sister. If my sister wanted publicity as Jessica does, she would also pose in front of photographers and let her picture be posted on news websites for everybody to see. When you enter such a scene, it's stupid not to expect such an outcome. Do you see where I'm getting at?
If someone photoshopping them onto a pornographic image is against the law and punishable(*defamation*). They would expect to be taken to court, and Jessica is completely within her rights to do so. Wouldn't you expect to get taken to court?
Do you see what Im getting at?
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Ugh... some people in here have such... idealistic notions of how people should handle things. It's as if they expect everyone to be stoic, unemotional, completely logical individuals with a perfect mindset for brushing off criticism and focusing on all the right things. Eve is probably a very nice yet sensitive person like many people are, perhaps not all that accustomed to how shitty the internet can be, and thus, she's understandably very upset.
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On July 19 2011 20:57 ItsMeDomLee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:46 AnalThermometer wrote:On July 19 2011 20:11 Faraday5001 wrote:
Anybody trying to argue against what she is doing are most likely people who like to troll forums, twitter etc themselves, and dont like the fact that people like them are finally publically being called out for what they do and are scared.
On the other hand you could argue people who are against what she is doing have a greater understanding of the internet as the closest thing to actual freedom left. The people actually in favor of internet censorship because they want revenge on some twitter or 4chan trolls who hurt their feelings probably have no concept of how lucky they really are. This isn't about freedom. This is about people being assholes and cowards. Someone could come out in public and say that recruiting SlayerS_Eve is probably a failed idea and she probaby won't turn out to be much of a progamer. While that would be rude, it's an opinion and people would live with it. Posting highly inflammatory remarks about her gender and shopping pictures of a 22 year old girl are something else. The fact that you would even bring freedom into something like this is laughable. We're at a time where people should be held accountable for their actions and stop thinking that they can get away with everything in the name of "rights" and "freedom". This shit makes me sick. People that do this are the same people that riot after their sports team loses and vandalize things thinking that they'll get away with it.
By your logic, everyone that hates on Justin Bieber and shops his face on a horse should get punished for committing satire, poor satire but satire never the less. Not all free speech is necessarily good or constructive, but that's just how the system works, you can't just judge the merits of rights and freedoms on your own scale. I think another poster summed this up already, it's black and white, either we have free speech or none at all, there is no middle ground.
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On July 19 2011 20:58 Linwelin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:56 FFGenerations wrote:
absolutely, if i get angry and say something like "the senator is a corrupt fucking dickshit and i hope he dies" i dont want the fucking police knocking at my door and to go to jail for it You said that because you got angry. They did that because...they got angry at someone they don't know at all? Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:58 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 20:55 Linwelin wrote:On July 19 2011 20:52 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. Don't think his sister accepted a progamer job that she didn't deserve, while posing for photographs and welcoming publicity. Who are you to judge if she deserved the programmer job or not? Have you seen her play or something? When did she take a programmer job? In any case, I wouldn't rate a progammer's skill based on him playing Starcraft games. As for her progaming job, she isn't in Code B, or even close. Considering that GOM basically considers Code B, or the top 0.2% of all players on the KR server to be the qualifying line for GSL entry, and she isn't even in the top 40% (based on her Gold account), I'd say I can make a good guess that she isn't deserving of a progaming career based on merit alone. I mean, Kim Ga Yeon herself suggested that she was recruited partially based on "looks." But really, that's not the point. Emma Watson is a fine actress, but I'm not brandishing any pitchforks at all the photoshopped nudes of her. Oh noes a typo, lets make fun of that
I guess the rest of my points were too well established for you to make a response?
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On July 19 2011 20:55 Linwelin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:52 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. Don't think his sister accepted a progamer job that she didn't deserve, while posing for photographs and welcoming publicity. Who are you to judge if she deserved the programmer job or not? Have you seen her play or something?
I think the point here is that we haven't seen her in any tournies. And now she's in one of the top SC progaming teams.
Who are we not to judge, then?
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On July 19 2011 20:53 furymonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:45 Valashu wrote:
Not sure what to say except that SlayerS_Jessica overreacted, you do not bring police into this and the mail wasn't full of flaming, just constructive critism.
Where is the thumbs down button when you need it? Read this http://www.twitlonger.com/show/bqp8ekIt's not the those constructive criticism she is after. I feel OP post is poorly made and confuses lots of people.
Yet, there is a person claiming to see his twitter account on the affidavit. And there is a news article.... I feel people are not reading this post carefully. I fully acknowledge she is mainly after those flaming trolls. I support it too. But also there are those who got caught in the crossfire, and thats what I call an overreaction. The examples I give in the OP are true and sourced.She could have done this without going after everyone on twitter who mentions her name. Koreans are calling her 'she who must not be named'.
And I am at the moment regretting my decision to post this, I think I should have thought more carefully about this matter before posting. I just wanted to share the thought on incriminating trolls were an overreaction or not.
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On July 19 2011 20:57 Xiphiass wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. I'm going to pretend for a sake of the argument that I have a sister. If my sister wanted publicity as Jessica does, she would also pose in front of photographers and let her picture be posted on news websites for everybody to see. When you enter such a scene, it's stupid not to expect such an outcome. Do you see where I'm getting at?
such a scene?
simply put--- this is e-sports, not the AV, [or even the movie] industry
i hope you somewhat see where i'm getting at
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On July 19 2011 21:00 snafoo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:57 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. I'm going to pretend for a sake of the argument that I have a sister. If my sister wanted publicity as Jessica does, she would also pose in front of photographers and let her picture be posted on news websites for everybody to see. When you enter such a scene, it's stupid not to expect such an outcome. Do you see where I'm getting at? If someone photoshopping them onto a pornographic image is against the law and punishable(*defamation*). They would expect to be taken to court, and Jessica is completely within her rights to do so. Wouldn't you expect to get taken to court? Do you see what Im getting at?
Except the legal boundaries of this are very fuzzy.
There are photoshopped nudes of every celebrity and public figure floating around on the web.. from Artosis to Emma Watson... yet somehow only the people who attacked Eve are getting sued, because Kim Ga Yeon is insane.
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On July 19 2011 20:57 Xiphiass wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. I'm going to pretend for a sake of the argument that I have a sister. If my sister wanted publicity as Jessica does, she would also pose in front of photographers and let her picture be posted on news websites for everybody to see. When you enter such a scene, it's stupid not to expect such an outcome. Do you see where I'm getting at?
No. I don't. I think it's stupid that we DO expect something like this to happen. Why do people feel the need to be douchebags? Maybe if there was accountability for our actions then stupid shit like this would stop. This is why I'm all for Ga-Yeon exposing these people to the public so that they don't think they can act like complete idiots just because they are behind a screen.
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who cares? she makes the trolls happier by doing this
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On July 19 2011 21:00 hippocritical wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:57 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:46 AnalThermometer wrote:On July 19 2011 20:11 Faraday5001 wrote:
Anybody trying to argue against what she is doing are most likely people who like to troll forums, twitter etc themselves, and dont like the fact that people like them are finally publically being called out for what they do and are scared.
On the other hand you could argue people who are against what she is doing have a greater understanding of the internet as the closest thing to actual freedom left. The people actually in favor of internet censorship because they want revenge on some twitter or 4chan trolls who hurt their feelings probably have no concept of how lucky they really are. This isn't about freedom. This is about people being assholes and cowards. Someone could come out in public and say that recruiting SlayerS_Eve is probably a failed idea and she probaby won't turn out to be much of a progamer. While that would be rude, it's an opinion and people would live with it. Posting highly inflammatory remarks about her gender and shopping pictures of a 22 year old girl are something else. The fact that you would even bring freedom into something like this is laughable. We're at a time where people should be held accountable for their actions and stop thinking that they can get away with everything in the name of "rights" and "freedom". This shit makes me sick. People that do this are the same people that riot after their sports team loses and vandalize things thinking that they'll get away with it. By your logic, everyone that hates on Justin Bieber and shops his face on a horse should get punished for committing satire, poor satire but satire never the less. Not all free speech is necessarily good or constructive, but that's just how the system works, you can't just judge the merits of rights and freedoms on your own scale. I think another poster summed this up already, it's black and white, either we have free speech or none at all, there is no middle ground.
No, that's a terrible counterargument. Shopping someone's face onto a horse and shopping someone into pornographic material are COMPLETELY different things.
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On July 19 2011 20:55 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:53 furymonkey wrote:On July 19 2011 20:45 Valashu wrote:
Not sure what to say except that SlayerS_Jessica overreacted, you do not bring police into this and the mail wasn't full of flaming, just constructive critism.
Where is the thumbs down button when you need it? Read this http://www.twitlonger.com/show/bqp8ekIt's not the those constructive criticism she is after. I feel OP post is poorly made and confuses lots of people. That twitter is a biased source, posted by the Slayers translator. The OP is neutral.
Biased or not, they are saying they are only going after those that sexually harassed. And when the post is constructed poorly, people are on completely different page of context, it's nothing to do with biased or netural.
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On July 19 2011 21:01 Xiphiass wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:55 Linwelin wrote:On July 19 2011 20:52 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. Don't think his sister accepted a progamer job that she didn't deserve, while posing for photographs and welcoming publicity. Who are you to judge if she deserved the programmer job or not? Have you seen her play or something? I think the point here is that we haven't seen her in any tournies. And now she's in one of the top SC progaming teams. Who are we not to judge, then?
Had you heard of Alicia when he first joined SlayerS? What about MMA? Ryung? Frozen? I mean, obviously she could be bad, but so could ANY person who joins a team who hasn't played in broadcasted games.
But, partly because she's female, I guess, the shit storm occurs.
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On July 19 2011 21:03 snafoo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:01 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:55 Linwelin wrote:On July 19 2011 20:52 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. Don't think his sister accepted a progamer job that she didn't deserve, while posing for photographs and welcoming publicity. Who are you to judge if she deserved the programmer job or not? Have you seen her play or something? I think the point here is that we haven't seen her in any tournies. And now she's in one of the top SC progaming teams. Who are we not to judge, then? Had you heard of Alicia when he first joined SlayerS? What about MMA? Ryung? Frozen? I mean, obviously she could be bad, but so could ANY person who joins a team who hasn't played in broadcasted games.
I'm pretty sure none of those people were in gold league when they joined SlayerS. I'm sorry, but when even Kim Ga Yeon says you were recruited partially based on "looks" the circumstances of your recruitment could definitely be called into question.
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On July 19 2011 21:03 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:00 hippocritical wrote:On July 19 2011 20:57 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:46 AnalThermometer wrote:On July 19 2011 20:11 Faraday5001 wrote:
Anybody trying to argue against what she is doing are most likely people who like to troll forums, twitter etc themselves, and dont like the fact that people like them are finally publically being called out for what they do and are scared.
On the other hand you could argue people who are against what she is doing have a greater understanding of the internet as the closest thing to actual freedom left. The people actually in favor of internet censorship because they want revenge on some twitter or 4chan trolls who hurt their feelings probably have no concept of how lucky they really are. This isn't about freedom. This is about people being assholes and cowards. Someone could come out in public and say that recruiting SlayerS_Eve is probably a failed idea and she probaby won't turn out to be much of a progamer. While that would be rude, it's an opinion and people would live with it. Posting highly inflammatory remarks about her gender and shopping pictures of a 22 year old girl are something else. The fact that you would even bring freedom into something like this is laughable. We're at a time where people should be held accountable for their actions and stop thinking that they can get away with everything in the name of "rights" and "freedom". This shit makes me sick. People that do this are the same people that riot after their sports team loses and vandalize things thinking that they'll get away with it. By your logic, everyone that hates on Justin Bieber and shops his face on a horse should get punished for committing satire, poor satire but satire never the less. Not all free speech is necessarily good or constructive, but that's just how the system works, you can't just judge the merits of rights and freedoms on your own scale. I think another poster summed this up already, it's black and white, either we have free speech or none at all, there is no middle ground. No, that's a terrible counterargument. Shopping someone's face onto a horse and shopping someone into pornographic material are COMPLETELY different things.
Pretty sure every public figure / celebrity has had the latter happen to basically zero effect.
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On July 19 2011 21:00 Linwelin wrote:In starcraft 2??
Still not the first?
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On July 19 2011 21:01 Xiphiass wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:55 Linwelin wrote:On July 19 2011 20:52 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. Don't think his sister accepted a progamer job that she didn't deserve, while posing for photographs and welcoming publicity. Who are you to judge if she deserved the programmer job or not? Have you seen her play or something? I think the point here is that we haven't seen her in any tournies. And now she's in one of the top SC progaming teams. Who are we not to judge, then?
She won an amateur tournament in korea and just because you haven't seen her play in it doesn't allow you to assume she is bad.
Also, people always claim "league doesn't matter" when their own rank is in question but are quick to judge others on their league.
What if she has that account since ages and maybe just plays custom games with grandmasters trainings partners? Or if that account is new and she just fooled around in the placement matches or even 5-0ed and still got placed in gold because she got matched with 5 silvers? She wouldn't be the first pro to get placed below Diamond.
We do not know her skill => Fact
She is bad => Assumption
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On July 19 2011 21:05 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:03 HolyArrow wrote:On July 19 2011 21:00 hippocritical wrote:On July 19 2011 20:57 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:46 AnalThermometer wrote:On July 19 2011 20:11 Faraday5001 wrote:
Anybody trying to argue against what she is doing are most likely people who like to troll forums, twitter etc themselves, and dont like the fact that people like them are finally publically being called out for what they do and are scared.
On the other hand you could argue people who are against what she is doing have a greater understanding of the internet as the closest thing to actual freedom left. The people actually in favor of internet censorship because they want revenge on some twitter or 4chan trolls who hurt their feelings probably have no concept of how lucky they really are. This isn't about freedom. This is about people being assholes and cowards. Someone could come out in public and say that recruiting SlayerS_Eve is probably a failed idea and she probaby won't turn out to be much of a progamer. While that would be rude, it's an opinion and people would live with it. Posting highly inflammatory remarks about her gender and shopping pictures of a 22 year old girl are something else. The fact that you would even bring freedom into something like this is laughable. We're at a time where people should be held accountable for their actions and stop thinking that they can get away with everything in the name of "rights" and "freedom". This shit makes me sick. People that do this are the same people that riot after their sports team loses and vandalize things thinking that they'll get away with it. By your logic, everyone that hates on Justin Bieber and shops his face on a horse should get punished for committing satire, poor satire but satire never the less. Not all free speech is necessarily good or constructive, but that's just how the system works, you can't just judge the merits of rights and freedoms on your own scale. I think another poster summed this up already, it's black and white, either we have free speech or none at all, there is no middle ground. No, that's a terrible counterargument. Shopping someone's face onto a horse and shopping someone into pornographic material are COMPLETELY different things. Pretty sure every public figure / celebrity has had the latter happen to basically zero effect.
It seems like there's one school of thinking that believe people should be accountable for their actions and another school of thinking that believes that because there are a lot of messed up things we should not try to prevent them because at the end of the day, well there are messed up things.
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On July 19 2011 21:05 Shalaiyn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:00 Linwelin wrote:On July 19 2011 20:58 Elroi wrote:
She is not the first progamer girl In starcraft 2?? Still not the first?
In Korea? In a pro-team?
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