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WOW did no know there was such a huge difference between Korean culture and the west. You should always go full steam ahead to protect your family, friends and business in the context of the low. If this is how the internet works in Korea, then fair enough.
Imagine if this was the case in the west lol Forget about internet trolls, we have full legitimate magazines and newspapers that write lies and general BS all the time. TV stations with the sole reason for existence to denigrate certain people.
My general opinion on this sort of thing is that unless there are death threats or false allegations of corruption/ fraud, this should have nothing to do with any sort of authorities. Being a public person has media/ internet abuse in it's description.
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On July 19 2011 21:16 snafoo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:13 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 21:11 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 21:09 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 21:00 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 20:57 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. I'm going to pretend for a sake of the argument that I have a sister. If my sister wanted publicity as Jessica does, she would also pose in front of photographers and let her picture be posted on news websites for everybody to see. When you enter such a scene, it's stupid not to expect such an outcome. Do you see where I'm getting at? If someone photoshopping them onto a pornographic image is against the law and punishable(*defamation*). They would expect to be taken to court, and Jessica is completely within her rights to do so. Wouldn't you expect to get taken to court? Do you see what Im getting at? No, I don't. As I've stated in my original post, some things are to be expected and completely irrelevant to your life/success in the progaming scene. As some other poster noted, would Emma Watson be right to try to track down every guy who photoshopped her pictures? Some things might be illegal, but completely harmless even if you're not stoic. She is within her rights to do so, but why would I expect the police to waste their time with such nuisances? Going back to your post about my sister, wouldn't you expect such thing to happen in this situation? You're a young girl and not well known for your starcraft achievements, yet you join a top-class starcraft progaming team and let the public see you. What sort of person wouldn't foresee this mess? Your argument can be summarized as someone in the public eye should expect to have their image photoshopped into pornographic images. That is defamation, which is punishable, Jessica is doing that. Why is she wrong to make full use of her rights to punish people for defamation, but the guy on the internet photo-shopping images is well within his rights? Are you aware of what defamation is? Yes, do you? Image/hateful messages falls under the same thing.
No, it doesn't. Defamation would constitute a misrepresentation of the person involved. Simple criticism or satirical representations of a person do not fall under defamation, or every political cartoonist in the country would be in jail. Given that photoshopping of public figures can be viewed as satire, and it obviously wasn't the photoshopper's intent to actually promote the viewpoint that Eve conducted a nude photoshoot, actually proving that this was defamation would be very hard.
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On July 19 2011 21:15 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:13 furymonkey wrote:On July 19 2011 21:09 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 21:00 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 20:57 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. I'm going to pretend for a sake of the argument that I have a sister. If my sister wanted publicity as Jessica does, she would also pose in front of photographers and let her picture be posted on news websites for everybody to see. When you enter such a scene, it's stupid not to expect such an outcome. Do you see where I'm getting at? If someone photoshopping them onto a pornographic image is against the law and punishable(*defamation*). They would expect to be taken to court, and Jessica is completely within her rights to do so. Wouldn't you expect to get taken to court? Do you see what Im getting at? No, I don't. As I've stated in my original post, some things are to be expected and completely irrelevant to your life/success in the progaming scene. As some other poster noted, would Emma Watson be right to try to track down every guy who photoshopped her pictures? Some things might be illegal, but completely harmless even if you're not stoic. She is within her rights to do so, but why would I expect the police to waste their time with such nuisances? Going back to your post about my sister, wouldn't you expect such thing to happen in this situation? You're a young girl and not well known for your starcraft achievements, yet you join a top-class starcraft progaming team and let the public see you. What sort of person wouldn't foresee this mess? You sound like one of those who would blame women getting raped because they dressed like a slut, even though raper is in the total wrong here. Are we comparing shopping pictures to rape now? This is just ridiculous. Public figures should expect to be treated by the public as such. This includes love, hate, and all the distortions imagination has to offer.
And people posting hateful messages and photoshops should expect to be punished by the law when it's illegal to do so in their country.....
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On July 19 2011 21:02 nanaoei wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:57 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. I'm going to pretend for a sake of the argument that I have a sister. If my sister wanted publicity as Jessica does, she would also pose in front of photographers and let her picture be posted on news websites for everybody to see. When you enter such a scene, it's stupid not to expect such an outcome. Do you see where I'm getting at? such a scene? simply put--- this is e-sports, not the AV, [or even the movie] industry i hope you somewhat see where i'm getting at
This is a scene where everyone will see your face. I've seen tabloids gossiping about football stars and saying meany mean things about them, shall we track them down, too? That is, after all, essentially the same defamation case.
If you show your face, be prepared that everyone will be free to do whatever they like with it. Don't cry when you get beaten up after stepping into a boxing ring.
On July 19 2011 21:02 ItsMeDomLee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:57 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. I'm going to pretend for a sake of the argument that I have a sister. If my sister wanted publicity as Jessica does, she would also pose in front of photographers and let her picture be posted on news websites for everybody to see. When you enter such a scene, it's stupid not to expect such an outcome. Do you see where I'm getting at? No. I don't. I think it's stupid that we DO expect something like this to happen. Why do people feel the need to be douchebags? Maybe if there was accountability for our actions then stupid shit like this would stop. This is why I'm all for Ga-Yeon exposing these people to the public so that they don't think they can act like complete idiots just because they are behind a screen.
We do expect such things to happen because they do happen. It might seem stupid and douchebag-ey, but that's what happens and you have to expect that shit. As for accountability, people should be more careful what you want to get taken away from them. Tracking down people on the internet for such disregard-able things is the next step of getting rid of any anonymity (and then privacy) on the internet. Getting your face (that you let everyone see) photoshopped isn't something to loose sleep over, much less worth loosing anonymity for.
On July 19 2011 21:03 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:00 hippocritical wrote:On July 19 2011 20:57 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:46 AnalThermometer wrote:On July 19 2011 20:11 Faraday5001 wrote:
Anybody trying to argue against what she is doing are most likely people who like to troll forums, twitter etc themselves, and dont like the fact that people like them are finally publically being called out for what they do and are scared.
On the other hand you could argue people who are against what she is doing have a greater understanding of the internet as the closest thing to actual freedom left. The people actually in favor of internet censorship because they want revenge on some twitter or 4chan trolls who hurt their feelings probably have no concept of how lucky they really are. This isn't about freedom. This is about people being assholes and cowards. Someone could come out in public and say that recruiting SlayerS_Eve is probably a failed idea and she probaby won't turn out to be much of a progamer. While that would be rude, it's an opinion and people would live with it. Posting highly inflammatory remarks about her gender and shopping pictures of a 22 year old girl are something else. The fact that you would even bring freedom into something like this is laughable. We're at a time where people should be held accountable for their actions and stop thinking that they can get away with everything in the name of "rights" and "freedom". This shit makes me sick. People that do this are the same people that riot after their sports team loses and vandalize things thinking that they'll get away with it. By your logic, everyone that hates on Justin Bieber and shops his face on a horse should get punished for committing satire, poor satire but satire never the less. Not all free speech is necessarily good or constructive, but that's just how the system works, you can't just judge the merits of rights and freedoms on your own scale. I think another poster summed this up already, it's black and white, either we have free speech or none at all, there is no middle ground. No, that's a terrible counterargument. Shopping someone's face onto a horse and shopping someone into pornographic material are COMPLETELY different things.
It's the same defamation that everyone's loosing their shit over, isn't it? You stand behind someone trying to track down people who shopped someone into porn stars body, yet standing behind someone trying to track down people who shopped someone into a horse body is just plain silly?
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On July 19 2011 21:19 snafoo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:15 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 21:13 furymonkey wrote:On July 19 2011 21:09 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 21:00 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 20:57 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. I'm going to pretend for a sake of the argument that I have a sister. If my sister wanted publicity as Jessica does, she would also pose in front of photographers and let her picture be posted on news websites for everybody to see. When you enter such a scene, it's stupid not to expect such an outcome. Do you see where I'm getting at? If someone photoshopping them onto a pornographic image is against the law and punishable(*defamation*). They would expect to be taken to court, and Jessica is completely within her rights to do so. Wouldn't you expect to get taken to court? Do you see what Im getting at? No, I don't. As I've stated in my original post, some things are to be expected and completely irrelevant to your life/success in the progaming scene. As some other poster noted, would Emma Watson be right to try to track down every guy who photoshopped her pictures? Some things might be illegal, but completely harmless even if you're not stoic. She is within her rights to do so, but why would I expect the police to waste their time with such nuisances? Going back to your post about my sister, wouldn't you expect such thing to happen in this situation? You're a young girl and not well known for your starcraft achievements, yet you join a top-class starcraft progaming team and let the public see you. What sort of person wouldn't foresee this mess? You sound like one of those who would blame women getting raped because they dressed like a slut, even though raper is in the total wrong here. Are we comparing shopping pictures to rape now? This is just ridiculous. Public figures should expect to be treated by the public as such. This includes love, hate, and all the distortions imagination has to offer. And people posting hateful messages and photoshops should expect to be punished by the law when it's illegal to do so in their country.....
I'm pretty sure people are innocent before proven guilty. Or are you in favor of the opposite?
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On July 19 2011 21:18 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:16 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 21:13 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 21:11 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 21:09 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 21:00 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 20:57 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. I'm going to pretend for a sake of the argument that I have a sister. If my sister wanted publicity as Jessica does, she would also pose in front of photographers and let her picture be posted on news websites for everybody to see. When you enter such a scene, it's stupid not to expect such an outcome. Do you see where I'm getting at? If someone photoshopping them onto a pornographic image is against the law and punishable(*defamation*). They would expect to be taken to court, and Jessica is completely within her rights to do so. Wouldn't you expect to get taken to court? Do you see what Im getting at? No, I don't. As I've stated in my original post, some things are to be expected and completely irrelevant to your life/success in the progaming scene. As some other poster noted, would Emma Watson be right to try to track down every guy who photoshopped her pictures? Some things might be illegal, but completely harmless even if you're not stoic. She is within her rights to do so, but why would I expect the police to waste their time with such nuisances? Going back to your post about my sister, wouldn't you expect such thing to happen in this situation? You're a young girl and not well known for your starcraft achievements, yet you join a top-class starcraft progaming team and let the public see you. What sort of person wouldn't foresee this mess? Your argument can be summarized as someone in the public eye should expect to have their image photoshopped into pornographic images. That is defamation, which is punishable, Jessica is doing that. Why is she wrong to make full use of her rights to punish people for defamation, but the guy on the internet photo-shopping images is well within his rights? Are you aware of what defamation is? Yes, do you? Image/hateful messages falls under the same thing. No, it doesn't. Defamation would constitute a misrepresentation of the person involved. Simple criticism or satirical representations of a person do not fall under defamation, or every political cartoonist in the country would be in jail. Given that photoshopping of public figures can be viewed as satire, and it obviously wasn't the photoshopper's intent to actually promote the viewpoint that Eve conducted a nude photoshoot, actually proving that this was defamation would be very hard.
Check out past korean defamation cases. Stuff like this isn't the first time.
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On July 19 2011 21:20 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:19 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 21:15 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 21:13 furymonkey wrote:On July 19 2011 21:09 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 21:00 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 20:57 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. I'm going to pretend for a sake of the argument that I have a sister. If my sister wanted publicity as Jessica does, she would also pose in front of photographers and let her picture be posted on news websites for everybody to see. When you enter such a scene, it's stupid not to expect such an outcome. Do you see where I'm getting at? If someone photoshopping them onto a pornographic image is against the law and punishable(*defamation*). They would expect to be taken to court, and Jessica is completely within her rights to do so. Wouldn't you expect to get taken to court? Do you see what Im getting at? No, I don't. As I've stated in my original post, some things are to be expected and completely irrelevant to your life/success in the progaming scene. As some other poster noted, would Emma Watson be right to try to track down every guy who photoshopped her pictures? Some things might be illegal, but completely harmless even if you're not stoic. She is within her rights to do so, but why would I expect the police to waste their time with such nuisances? Going back to your post about my sister, wouldn't you expect such thing to happen in this situation? You're a young girl and not well known for your starcraft achievements, yet you join a top-class starcraft progaming team and let the public see you. What sort of person wouldn't foresee this mess? You sound like one of those who would blame women getting raped because they dressed like a slut, even though raper is in the total wrong here. Are we comparing shopping pictures to rape now? This is just ridiculous. Public figures should expect to be treated by the public as such. This includes love, hate, and all the distortions imagination has to offer. And people posting hateful messages and photoshops should expect to be punished by the law when it's illegal to do so in their country..... I'm pretty sure people are innocent before proven guilty. Or are you in favor of the opposite?
Ofcourse they are, that's why she's taking the evidence to the police. It's not like they're going to go out and throw the kids in jail/sue them without a trial....
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On July 19 2011 21:11 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:01 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:55 Linwelin wrote:On July 19 2011 20:52 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. Don't think his sister accepted a progamer job that she didn't deserve, while posing for photographs and welcoming publicity. Who are you to judge if she deserved the programmer job or not? Have you seen her play or something? I think the point here is that we haven't seen her in any tournies. And now she's in one of the top SC progaming teams. Who are we not to judge, then? Korea isn't like the foreigner scene where there are dozens of online tournaments and smaller LANS where players make there names, most of the up and coming GSL players were known only as ladder monsters before they played. I guarantee you that months ago when the SlayerS roster was first announced that you could only tell me who a couple of the players were. And yet I am also certain that if I go back to that thread I will not find you in there, 'judging' them. In fact I am certain that there was absolutely no one questioning the validity of the players acquisition. The only reason they are questioning it this time is not because of a lack of tournament appearances...it's because she's a girl, and only because she's a girl that people even entertain the idea that she's really bad and only on the team as a publicity stunt.
Haters gonna hate and people have flamed teams for accepting new people all the time. When the community will see actual results, the flaming will cease and be ready to see yourself in the fan club section.
This isn't a case of people flaming her because she's a female as much as this is a case of people noticing the flame because she's a female.
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I wonder what will happen when someone doesn't say GG to her.
EDIT: lol gold league
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People complaining on the internet? She needs to get some thicker skin. There will always be haters.
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This thread can be boiled down to people thinking that freedom of speech and being assholes are the same thing. Good luck.
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On July 19 2011 21:19 snafoo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:15 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 21:13 furymonkey wrote:On July 19 2011 21:09 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 21:00 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 20:57 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. I'm going to pretend for a sake of the argument that I have a sister. If my sister wanted publicity as Jessica does, she would also pose in front of photographers and let her picture be posted on news websites for everybody to see. When you enter such a scene, it's stupid not to expect such an outcome. Do you see where I'm getting at? If someone photoshopping them onto a pornographic image is against the law and punishable(*defamation*). They would expect to be taken to court, and Jessica is completely within her rights to do so. Wouldn't you expect to get taken to court? Do you see what Im getting at? No, I don't. As I've stated in my original post, some things are to be expected and completely irrelevant to your life/success in the progaming scene. As some other poster noted, would Emma Watson be right to try to track down every guy who photoshopped her pictures? Some things might be illegal, but completely harmless even if you're not stoic. She is within her rights to do so, but why would I expect the police to waste their time with such nuisances? Going back to your post about my sister, wouldn't you expect such thing to happen in this situation? You're a young girl and not well known for your starcraft achievements, yet you join a top-class starcraft progaming team and let the public see you. What sort of person wouldn't foresee this mess? You sound like one of those who would blame women getting raped because they dressed like a slut, even though raper is in the total wrong here. Are we comparing shopping pictures to rape now? This is just ridiculous. Public figures should expect to be treated by the public as such. This includes love, hate, and all the distortions imagination has to offer. And people posting hateful messages and photoshops should expect to be punished by the law when it's illegal to do so in their country.....
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
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On July 19 2011 21:13 furymonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:09 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 21:00 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 20:57 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. I'm going to pretend for a sake of the argument that I have a sister. If my sister wanted publicity as Jessica does, she would also pose in front of photographers and let her picture be posted on news websites for everybody to see. When you enter such a scene, it's stupid not to expect such an outcome. Do you see where I'm getting at? If someone photoshopping them onto a pornographic image is against the law and punishable(*defamation*). They would expect to be taken to court, and Jessica is completely within her rights to do so. Wouldn't you expect to get taken to court? Do you see what Im getting at? No, I don't. As I've stated in my original post, some things are to be expected and completely irrelevant to your life/success in the progaming scene. As some other poster noted, would Emma Watson be right to try to track down every guy who photoshopped her pictures? Some things might be illegal, but completely harmless even if you're not stoic. She is within her rights to do so, but why would I expect the police to waste their time with such nuisances? Going back to your post about my sister, wouldn't you expect such thing to happen in this situation? You're a young girl and not well known for your starcraft achievements, yet you join a top-class starcraft progaming team and let the public see you. What sort of person wouldn't foresee this mess? You sound like one of those who would blame women getting raped because they dressed like a slut, even though raper is in the total wrong here.
This is beyond any comprehensible logic. Rape isn't quite the same as seeing yourself being photoshopped into something.
On July 19 2011 21:11 snafoo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:09 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 21:00 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 20:57 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. I'm going to pretend for a sake of the argument that I have a sister. If my sister wanted publicity as Jessica does, she would also pose in front of photographers and let her picture be posted on news websites for everybody to see. When you enter such a scene, it's stupid not to expect such an outcome. Do you see where I'm getting at? If someone photoshopping them onto a pornographic image is against the law and punishable(*defamation*). They would expect to be taken to court, and Jessica is completely within her rights to do so. Wouldn't you expect to get taken to court? Do you see what Im getting at? No, I don't. As I've stated in my original post, some things are to be expected and completely irrelevant to your life/success in the progaming scene. As some other poster noted, would Emma Watson be right to try to track down every guy who photoshopped her pictures? Some things might be illegal, but completely harmless even if you're not stoic. She is within her rights to do so, but why would I expect the police to waste their time with such nuisances? Going back to your post about my sister, wouldn't you expect such thing to happen in this situation? You're a young girl and not well known for your starcraft achievements, yet you join a top-class starcraft progaming team and let the public see you. What sort of person wouldn't foresee this mess? Your argument can be summarized as someone in the public eye should expect to have their image photoshopped into pornographic images. That is defamation, which is punishable, Jessica is doing that. Why is she wrong to make full use of her rights to punish people for defamation, but the guy on the internet photo-shopping images is well within his rights? This isn't about Emma Watson, Jessica doesn't represent her. I'm sure Emma Watsaon/manager could pursue legal action if she wanted, it'd be costly, but she doesn't. Jessica is. That's all there is to it.
I've seen enough stuff that I can safely say yes, if you get known, chances are you might see yourself on 4chan and wherever else.
It is my full opinion that she's wrong in doing what she does because it's completely irrelevant and a waste of her own time. I never said the people who photoshopped her are full within their rights and I've never defended them.
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lets not confuse laws of South Korea with Laws of United States or any other nation.
in the United States for example you need to prove the facts false in order to sue for defamation
in korea any words harming another can be considered illegal and may be punishable with fines and imprisonment.
there seems to be a bigger discussion of freedom of speech vs responsibility of actions. It has been decided again and again that when freedom of speech hurts a person or a group of people, the individual who committed such acts are responsible. ( schenck vs united states, and was overturned but upheld to a degree in Brandenburg v Ohio)
there is a discussion that public figures should expect people to do this sort of things towards them such as photoshop, troll, etc. BUT the public figure has every right to sue that person in court. they don't do it because there are simply too many instances of it happening.
slayers_eve isn't that big yet so slayers_jessica is hitting the trolls before it gets to big. image is very important in korea and unlike the united states, trolls are liable for lawsuits
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On July 19 2011 21:26 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
This thread can be boiled down to people thinking that freedom of speech and being assholes are the same thing. Good luck.
But they are, or at least being an asshole is often protected by freedom of expression, including in this case.
The trouble with fighting for human freedom, is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.
--H. L. Mencken
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The police dont care for a cartoon or critic. But they care for a blaming like in every other country on the hole world. So whats the problem?
i have the feeling many people here are afraid that they own balming in the internet could have consequences... Would be scary for you if you can not blame random people on bnet or in forums right?
Perhaps this is the only way to teach some kinds basic social behaviour if there parents failed in it.
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On July 19 2011 21:24 Klaus1986 wrote:
People complaining on the internet? She needs to get some thicker skin. There will always be haters.
Yeah agreed. She honestly must be clueless if she expects to join the slayers team as gold-ranked with no slagging. It's honestly a slap in the face to all of those players working their asses off grinding hours upon hours of games for opportunities like that, and she gets in because "she's a girl". She clearly has no experience with the internet as well,....and not much more with starcraft either. Lol at her getting into an argument with a 16-year-old...I wonder how she would react to youtube video comments...probably spend days formulating responses to all of her haters.,,
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On July 19 2011 21:20 Xiphiass wrote:
We do expect such things to happen because they do happen. It might seem stupid and douchebag-ey, but that's what happens and you have to expect that shit. As for accountability, people should be more careful what you want to get taken away from them. Tracking down people on the internet for such disregard-able things is the next step of getting rid of any anonymity (and then privacy) on the internet. Getting your face (that you let everyone see) photoshopped isn't something to loose sleep over, much less worth loosing anonymity for.
Again. It's you telling someone how they should feel. You have no connection to the people in question and you clearly don't care. Do you think you, some random person across the world knows better or do you think the manager knows better? You think a shopped nude photo is something completely disregardable but YOU have no RIGHT to make that decision for someone else. You keep going on and on about rights privacy and free speech yet you take away someone's right to feel hurt. Get out of here.
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Glad to see someone stepping it up, the "manner level" on the Korean internet is just ridiculous. If I was to translate not only the player interviews but the comments too, I would probably have to tag it NSFW for offensive language and extremely condescending tone.
Unfortunately there are vast numbers of trolls and only one SlayerS_Jessica, which means she'll eventually lose this battle for e-justice in the long run. Hope she can stay strong and bring down a couple before she gets defeated.
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On July 19 2011 21:28 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:26 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
This thread can be boiled down to people thinking that freedom of speech and being assholes are the same thing. Good luck. But they are, or at least being an asshole is often protected by freedom of expression, including in this case. The trouble with fighting for human freedom, is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all. --H. L. Mencken
being an asshole IS NOT PROTECTED IN SOUTH KOREA
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