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On July 19 2011 21:00 snafoo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:57 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. I'm going to pretend for a sake of the argument that I have a sister. If my sister wanted publicity as Jessica does, she would also pose in front of photographers and let her picture be posted on news websites for everybody to see. When you enter such a scene, it's stupid not to expect such an outcome. Do you see where I'm getting at? If someone photoshopping them onto a pornographic image is against the law and punishable(*defamation*). They would expect to be taken to court, and Jessica is completely within her rights to do so. Wouldn't you expect to get taken to court? Do you see what Im getting at?
No, I don't. As I've stated in my original post, some things are to be expected and completely irrelevant to your life/success in the progaming scene. As some other poster noted, would Emma Watson be right to try to track down every guy who photoshopped her pictures? Some things might be illegal, but completely harmless even if you're not stoic. She is within her rights to do so, but why would I expect the police to waste their time with such nuisances?
Going back to your post about my sister, wouldn't you expect such thing to happen in this situation? You're a young girl and not well known for your starcraft achievements, yet you join a top-class starcraft progaming team and let the public see you. What sort of person wouldn't foresee this mess?
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On July 19 2011 21:05 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:03 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 21:01 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:55 Linwelin wrote:On July 19 2011 20:52 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. Don't think his sister accepted a progamer job that she didn't deserve, while posing for photographs and welcoming publicity. Who are you to judge if she deserved the programmer job or not? Have you seen her play or something? I think the point here is that we haven't seen her in any tournies. And now she's in one of the top SC progaming teams. Who are we not to judge, then? Had you heard of Alicia when he first joined SlayerS? What about MMA? Ryung? Frozen? I mean, obviously she could be bad, but so could ANY person who joins a team who hasn't played in broadcasted games. I'm pretty sure none of those people were in gold league when they joined SlayerS. I'm sorry, but when even Kim Ga Yeon says you were recruited partially based on "looks" the circumstances of your recruitment could definitely be called into question.
Maybe not gold league, but Jinro posted in the other thread that Alicia was pretty bad and used to just always allin... so....
Being recruited based partly on looks is nothing new. Bisu in particular, partly was recruited based on appearance.
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I generally don't agree with laws prohibiting free expression on the internet, but I find it hard to fault Jessica for doing everything within her legal rights to protect an employee from defamation. That's just being a responsible manager.
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Good job SlayerS. Tired of what the internet has become. Fucking trolls everywhere, you can't seem to have a normal discussion on any freaking forum without an idiot going trollm0d3...
I think people forget, that some of the flames were sexual threats. If I was a woman, I would of done the same. Yes, she was overreacting on some of the cases. But hey, people can think what they think, and let it remain inside their brains, instead of going keyboard warrior.
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On July 19 2011 21:01 Xiphiass wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:55 Linwelin wrote:On July 19 2011 20:52 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. Don't think his sister accepted a progamer job that she didn't deserve, while posing for photographs and welcoming publicity. Who are you to judge if she deserved the programmer job or not? Have you seen her play or something? I think the point here is that we haven't seen her in any tournies. And now she's in one of the top SC progaming teams. Who are we not to judge, then?
When MMA or Alicia or Ryung or any other current member(except Boxer i guess) joined SlayerS did you know them at all?
On July 19 2011 21:01 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:58 Linwelin wrote:On July 19 2011 20:56 FFGenerations wrote:
absolutely, if i get angry and say something like "the senator is a corrupt fucking dickshit and i hope he dies" i dont want the fucking police knocking at my door and to go to jail for it You said that because you got angry. They did that because...they got angry at someone they don't know at all? On July 19 2011 20:58 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 20:55 Linwelin wrote:On July 19 2011 20:52 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. Don't think his sister accepted a progamer job that she didn't deserve, while posing for photographs and welcoming publicity. Who are you to judge if she deserved the programmer job or not? Have you seen her play or something? When did she take a programmer job? In any case, I wouldn't rate a progammer's skill based on him playing Starcraft games. As for her progaming job, she isn't in Code B, or even close. Considering that GOM basically considers Code B, or the top 0.2% of all players on the KR server to be the qualifying line for GSL entry, and she isn't even in the top 40% (based on her Gold account), I'd say I can make a good guess that she isn't deserving of a progaming career based on merit alone. I mean, Kim Ga Yeon herself suggested that she was recruited partially based on "looks." But really, that's not the point. Emma Watson is a fine actress, but I'm not brandishing any pitchforks at all the photoshopped nudes of her. Oh noes a typo, lets make fun of that I guess the rest of my points were too well established for you to make a response?
Arguing with someone that makes fun of an insignificant mistake is not my hobby, but anyway.
First of all there is this gold account but nowhere have I seen any real evidence that it's her "main" account. You also seem to forget that Eve is considered as a trainee and not a "full member" like MMA or Alicia. Even if she is gold, don't you think training with the SlayerS team will not improve her play a lot if she really dedicates a lot of time into it? (Which, according to Jessica, she does) Being a trainee means you're training (yes really)
About the look part, Bisu was also recruited based on his "looks" in BW, what does that mean? Nothing.
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On July 19 2011 21:01 Xiphiass wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:55 Linwelin wrote:On July 19 2011 20:52 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. Don't think his sister accepted a progamer job that she didn't deserve, while posing for photographs and welcoming publicity. Who are you to judge if she deserved the programmer job or not? Have you seen her play or something? I think the point here is that we haven't seen her in any tournies. And now she's in one of the top SC progaming teams. Who are we not to judge, then?
Korea isn't like the foreigner scene where there are dozens of online tournaments and smaller LANS where players make there names, most of the up and coming GSL players were known only as ladder monsters before they played.
I guarantee you that months ago when the SlayerS roster was first announced that you could only tell me who a couple of the players were. And yet I am also certain that if I go back to that thread I will not find you in there, 'judging' them. In fact I am certain that there was absolutely no one questioning the validity of the players acquisition. The only reason they are questioning it this time is not because of a lack of tournament appearances...it's because she's a girl, and only because she's a girl that people even entertain the idea that she's really bad and only on the team as a publicity stunt.
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On July 19 2011 20:53 furymonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:45 Valashu wrote:
Not sure what to say except that SlayerS_Jessica overreacted, you do not bring police into this and the mail wasn't full of flaming, just constructive critism.
Where is the thumbs down button when you need it? Read this http://www.twitlonger.com/show/bqp8ekIt's not the those constructive criticism she is after. I feel OP post is poorly made and confuses lots of people.
On July 19 2011 16:50 UTL_Unlimited wrote:
Korean culture for the newer generations are different: to them, blogs, internet forums, and such are places of communication and a lot of the older Koreans like to compare these forums to that of two people actually meeting each other in person and talking; to Koreans the internet forums and blogs are not JUST the internet, it's actually considered to almost the equivalence of two people just talking to one another in real life. So much so that a lot of businesses are now built around using blogs and forums to get their names out to the public.
The way that SlayerS_Jessica handled this situation can be seen as somewhat positive because she has taken action to protect a decision she has made for the improvement of the team, but to foreigners, it's just strange as is just overreacting. So it's just a difference in viewpoints.
With these two posts, how are people still not quite understanding what's going on?
Slayers_Jessica is going after the people who photoshopped Slayers_Eve's face on to pornography. This is because of the different culture in Korea, as evidenced in the second post. The line is easy to follow.
Slayers_Jessica isn't going after people who are hating on Eve because she sucks at the game. She's going after people who have pasted her face on porn. While in America you wouldn't think twice about it, I'd be amused if someone pasted my face onto some male pornstar, in Korea it's a big deal apparently. At least, that amount of disrespect is.
Maybe from our cultures we think she is, but look at it through their eyes, and you can start to understand how it's not. Maybe you'll be like me, and still think taking people to the police over this is kinda silly, but at least you won't keep think she's an overreacting fool.
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On July 19 2011 21:09 Xiphiass wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:00 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 20:57 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. I'm going to pretend for a sake of the argument that I have a sister. If my sister wanted publicity as Jessica does, she would also pose in front of photographers and let her picture be posted on news websites for everybody to see. When you enter such a scene, it's stupid not to expect such an outcome. Do you see where I'm getting at? If someone photoshopping them onto a pornographic image is against the law and punishable(*defamation*). They would expect to be taken to court, and Jessica is completely within her rights to do so. Wouldn't you expect to get taken to court? Do you see what Im getting at? No, I don't. As I've stated in my original post, some things are to be expected and completely irrelevant to your life/success in the progaming scene. As some other poster noted, would Emma Watson be right to try to track down every guy who photoshopped her pictures? Some things might be illegal, but completely harmless even if you're not stoic. She is within her rights to do so, but why would I expect the police to waste their time with such nuisances? Going back to your post about my sister, wouldn't you expect such thing to happen in this situation? You're a young girl and not well known for your starcraft achievements, yet you join a top-class starcraft progaming team and let the public see you. What sort of person wouldn't foresee this mess?
Your argument can be summarized as someone in the public eye should expect to have their image photoshopped into pornographic images.
That is defamation, which is punishable, Jessica is doing that. Why is she wrong to make full use of her rights to punish people for defamation, but the guy on the internet photo-shopping images is well within his rights?
This isn't about Emma Watson, Jessica doesn't represent her. I'm sure Emma Watsaon/manager could pursue legal action if she wanted, it'd be costly, but she doesn't. Jessica is. That's all there is to it.
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On July 19 2011 21:08 ItsMeDomLee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:05 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 21:03 HolyArrow wrote:On July 19 2011 21:00 hippocritical wrote:On July 19 2011 20:57 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:46 AnalThermometer wrote:On July 19 2011 20:11 Faraday5001 wrote:
Anybody trying to argue against what she is doing are most likely people who like to troll forums, twitter etc themselves, and dont like the fact that people like them are finally publically being called out for what they do and are scared.
On the other hand you could argue people who are against what she is doing have a greater understanding of the internet as the closest thing to actual freedom left. The people actually in favor of internet censorship because they want revenge on some twitter or 4chan trolls who hurt their feelings probably have no concept of how lucky they really are. This isn't about freedom. This is about people being assholes and cowards. Someone could come out in public and say that recruiting SlayerS_Eve is probably a failed idea and she probaby won't turn out to be much of a progamer. While that would be rude, it's an opinion and people would live with it. Posting highly inflammatory remarks about her gender and shopping pictures of a 22 year old girl are something else. The fact that you would even bring freedom into something like this is laughable. We're at a time where people should be held accountable for their actions and stop thinking that they can get away with everything in the name of "rights" and "freedom". This shit makes me sick. People that do this are the same people that riot after their sports team loses and vandalize things thinking that they'll get away with it. By your logic, everyone that hates on Justin Bieber and shops his face on a horse should get punished for committing satire, poor satire but satire never the less. Not all free speech is necessarily good or constructive, but that's just how the system works, you can't just judge the merits of rights and freedoms on your own scale. I think another poster summed this up already, it's black and white, either we have free speech or none at all, there is no middle ground. No, that's a terrible counterargument. Shopping someone's face onto a horse and shopping someone into pornographic material are COMPLETELY different things. Pretty sure every public figure / celebrity has had the latter happen to basically zero effect. It seems like there's one school of thinking that believe people should be accountable for their actions and another school of thinking that believes that because there are a lot of messed up things we should not try to prevent them because at the end of the day, well there are messed up things.
No, that's a strawman.
The other school of thinking is that such activities are harmless and policing them would be unnecessary tampering on freedom of expression, which would establish precedents for censorship of far more sensitive material. In free societies the latitude given to criticism of public figures is extended because of possibility of abuse if this is not upheld.
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On July 19 2011 21:03 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:00 hippocritical wrote:On July 19 2011 20:57 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:46 AnalThermometer wrote:On July 19 2011 20:11 Faraday5001 wrote:
Anybody trying to argue against what she is doing are most likely people who like to troll forums, twitter etc themselves, and dont like the fact that people like them are finally publically being called out for what they do and are scared.
On the other hand you could argue people who are against what she is doing have a greater understanding of the internet as the closest thing to actual freedom left. The people actually in favor of internet censorship because they want revenge on some twitter or 4chan trolls who hurt their feelings probably have no concept of how lucky they really are. This isn't about freedom. This is about people being assholes and cowards. Someone could come out in public and say that recruiting SlayerS_Eve is probably a failed idea and she probaby won't turn out to be much of a progamer. While that would be rude, it's an opinion and people would live with it. Posting highly inflammatory remarks about her gender and shopping pictures of a 22 year old girl are something else. The fact that you would even bring freedom into something like this is laughable. We're at a time where people should be held accountable for their actions and stop thinking that they can get away with everything in the name of "rights" and "freedom". This shit makes me sick. People that do this are the same people that riot after their sports team loses and vandalize things thinking that they'll get away with it. By your logic, everyone that hates on Justin Bieber and shops his face on a horse should get punished for committing satire, poor satire but satire never the less. Not all free speech is necessarily good or constructive, but that's just how the system works, you can't just judge the merits of rights and freedoms on your own scale. I think another poster summed this up already, it's black and white, either we have free speech or none at all, there is no middle ground. No, that's a terrible counterargument. Shopping someone's face onto a horse and shopping someone into pornographic material are COMPLETELY different things.
How so, both are inflammatory images, where can you draw the line? So if someone was to shop a picture of Eve's head on a horse no one would have a problem with this? They are not completely different. Admittedly they're not the same, but I only wanted to use a public example, Bieber has probably been defamed more over this year, but part of having fans is also having to deal with idiots. Emma Watson isn't exactly hunting those people who are putting her face on pornographic images. Korea has a different culture, and myself as an outsider looking in, can only think that this is a tad bit silly when trolls are pursued to the point of police, but again different culture! Maybe I've played too much COD and am immune to trash and abuse, but the way Jessica seemed to handle that 16 year old in the OP looked very unprofessional.
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On July 19 2011 21:09 Xiphiass wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:00 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 20:57 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. I'm going to pretend for a sake of the argument that I have a sister. If my sister wanted publicity as Jessica does, she would also pose in front of photographers and let her picture be posted on news websites for everybody to see. When you enter such a scene, it's stupid not to expect such an outcome. Do you see where I'm getting at? If someone photoshopping them onto a pornographic image is against the law and punishable(*defamation*). They would expect to be taken to court, and Jessica is completely within her rights to do so. Wouldn't you expect to get taken to court? Do you see what Im getting at? No, I don't. As I've stated in my original post, some things are to be expected and completely irrelevant to your life/success in the progaming scene. As some other poster noted, would Emma Watson be right to try to track down every guy who photoshopped her pictures? Some things might be illegal, but completely harmless even if you're not stoic. She is within her rights to do so, but why would I expect the police to waste their time with such nuisances? Going back to your post about my sister, wouldn't you expect such thing to happen in this situation? You're a young girl and not well known for your starcraft achievements, yet you join a top-class starcraft progaming team and let the public see you. What sort of person wouldn't foresee this mess?
You sound like one of those who would blame women getting raped because they dressed like a slut, even though raper is in the total wrong here.
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On July 19 2011 21:11 snafoo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:09 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 21:00 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 20:57 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. I'm going to pretend for a sake of the argument that I have a sister. If my sister wanted publicity as Jessica does, she would also pose in front of photographers and let her picture be posted on news websites for everybody to see. When you enter such a scene, it's stupid not to expect such an outcome. Do you see where I'm getting at? If someone photoshopping them onto a pornographic image is against the law and punishable(*defamation*). They would expect to be taken to court, and Jessica is completely within her rights to do so. Wouldn't you expect to get taken to court? Do you see what Im getting at? No, I don't. As I've stated in my original post, some things are to be expected and completely irrelevant to your life/success in the progaming scene. As some other poster noted, would Emma Watson be right to try to track down every guy who photoshopped her pictures? Some things might be illegal, but completely harmless even if you're not stoic. She is within her rights to do so, but why would I expect the police to waste their time with such nuisances? Going back to your post about my sister, wouldn't you expect such thing to happen in this situation? You're a young girl and not well known for your starcraft achievements, yet you join a top-class starcraft progaming team and let the public see you. What sort of person wouldn't foresee this mess? Your argument can be summarized as someone in the public eye should expect to have their image photoshopped into pornographic images. That is defamation, which is punishable, Jessica is doing that. Why is she wrong to make full use of her rights to punish people for defamation, but the guy on the internet photo-shopping images is well within his rights?
Are you aware of what defamation is?
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as much as the photoshop is beyond classless, i don't really think that should be used as the catalyst to start suing everyone on the internet.
i think it's fine for jessica to do this considering she's absorbing all the negative attention from eve (which might be full well her intent of doing this), but it'd be unwise for her to follow through with actually suing a bunch of people behind a computer screen.
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On July 19 2011 21:09 Xiphiass wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:00 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 20:57 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. I'm going to pretend for a sake of the argument that I have a sister. If my sister wanted publicity as Jessica does, she would also pose in front of photographers and let her picture be posted on news websites for everybody to see. When you enter such a scene, it's stupid not to expect such an outcome. Do you see where I'm getting at? If someone photoshopping them onto a pornographic image is against the law and punishable(*defamation*). They would expect to be taken to court, and Jessica is completely within her rights to do so. Wouldn't you expect to get taken to court? Do you see what Im getting at? No, I don't. As I've stated in my original post, some things are to be expected and completely irrelevant to your life/success in the progaming scene. As some other poster noted, would Emma Watson be right to try to track down every guy who photoshopped her pictures? Some things might be illegal, but completely harmless even if you're not stoic. She is within her rights to do so, but why would I expect the police to waste their time with such nuisances? Going back to your post about my sister, wouldn't you expect such thing to happen in this situation? You're a young girl and not well known for your starcraft achievements, yet you join a top-class starcraft progaming team and let the public see you. What sort of person wouldn't foresee this mess?
i don't expect you to reply to this at all, but to anwer your last question:
i kinda dunno, what sort of people do you think half of us are?
i'm sure we want/[wanted] her to do well, on top of many other hopes, and ideas
and a simple thought is that this incident is a preventing factor
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On July 19 2011 21:09 Xiphiass wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:00 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 20:57 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. I'm going to pretend for a sake of the argument that I have a sister. If my sister wanted publicity as Jessica does, she would also pose in front of photographers and let her picture be posted on news websites for everybody to see. When you enter such a scene, it's stupid not to expect such an outcome. Do you see where I'm getting at? If someone photoshopping them onto a pornographic image is against the law and punishable(*defamation*). They would expect to be taken to court, and Jessica is completely within her rights to do so. Wouldn't you expect to get taken to court? Do you see what Im getting at? No, I don't. As I've stated in my original post, some things are to be expected and completely irrelevant to your life/success in the progaming scene. As some other poster noted, would Emma Watson be right to try to track down every guy who photoshopped her pictures? Some things might be illegal, but completely harmless even if you're not stoic. She is within her rights to do so, but why would I expect the police to waste their time with such nuisances?
And it's because of your twisted point of view that people think that this crap IS something that can be condoned. Do you REALLY think that SlayersJessica has that much time on her hands to track down every troll on the internet? She's a 40 year old manager of a pro team and a mother of a child. Do you REALLY think that BoxeR and Eve are not affected in the slightest by the things said/posted about them on media outlets? How can you, someone from halfway across the world think that you know what affects people over the MANAGER OF THE TEAM.
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On July 19 2011 21:13 furymonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:09 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 21:00 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 20:57 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. I'm going to pretend for a sake of the argument that I have a sister. If my sister wanted publicity as Jessica does, she would also pose in front of photographers and let her picture be posted on news websites for everybody to see. When you enter such a scene, it's stupid not to expect such an outcome. Do you see where I'm getting at? If someone photoshopping them onto a pornographic image is against the law and punishable(*defamation*). They would expect to be taken to court, and Jessica is completely within her rights to do so. Wouldn't you expect to get taken to court? Do you see what Im getting at? No, I don't. As I've stated in my original post, some things are to be expected and completely irrelevant to your life/success in the progaming scene. As some other poster noted, would Emma Watson be right to try to track down every guy who photoshopped her pictures? Some things might be illegal, but completely harmless even if you're not stoic. She is within her rights to do so, but why would I expect the police to waste their time with such nuisances? Going back to your post about my sister, wouldn't you expect such thing to happen in this situation? You're a young girl and not well known for your starcraft achievements, yet you join a top-class starcraft progaming team and let the public see you. What sort of person wouldn't foresee this mess? You sound like one of those who would blame women getting raped because they dressed like a slut, even though raper is in the total wrong here.
Are we comparing shopping pictures to rape now? This is just ridiculous.
Public figures should expect to be treated by the public as such. This includes love, hate, and all the distortions imagination has to offer.
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On July 19 2011 21:13 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:11 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 21:09 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 21:00 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 20:57 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. I'm going to pretend for a sake of the argument that I have a sister. If my sister wanted publicity as Jessica does, she would also pose in front of photographers and let her picture be posted on news websites for everybody to see. When you enter such a scene, it's stupid not to expect such an outcome. Do you see where I'm getting at? If someone photoshopping them onto a pornographic image is against the law and punishable(*defamation*). They would expect to be taken to court, and Jessica is completely within her rights to do so. Wouldn't you expect to get taken to court? Do you see what Im getting at? No, I don't. As I've stated in my original post, some things are to be expected and completely irrelevant to your life/success in the progaming scene. As some other poster noted, would Emma Watson be right to try to track down every guy who photoshopped her pictures? Some things might be illegal, but completely harmless even if you're not stoic. She is within her rights to do so, but why would I expect the police to waste their time with such nuisances? Going back to your post about my sister, wouldn't you expect such thing to happen in this situation? You're a young girl and not well known for your starcraft achievements, yet you join a top-class starcraft progaming team and let the public see you. What sort of person wouldn't foresee this mess? Your argument can be summarized as someone in the public eye should expect to have their image photoshopped into pornographic images. That is defamation, which is punishable, Jessica is doing that. Why is she wrong to make full use of her rights to punish people for defamation, but the guy on the internet photo-shopping images is well within his rights? Are you aware of what defamation is?
Yes, do you? Image/hateful messages falls under the same thing.
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On July 19 2011 20:55 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:53 furymonkey wrote:On July 19 2011 20:45 Valashu wrote:
Not sure what to say except that SlayerS_Jessica overreacted, you do not bring police into this and the mail wasn't full of flaming, just constructive critism.
Where is the thumbs down button when you need it? Read this http://www.twitlonger.com/show/bqp8ekIt's not the those constructive criticism she is after. I feel OP post is poorly made and confuses lots of people. That twitter is a biased source, posted by the Slayers translator. The OP is neutral.
Where are the OP's sources then? (@OP sources would improve the credibility of your write-up)
Also, there's no direct translation of jessica's posts about supposedly wanting to take legal action against all the trolls and critics on the internet.
Also in question are the OP's Korean->English translation capabilities. If I had to make a guess, your parents are korean, and you learned korean from them. But that's just a wild guess, no offense.
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Honestly, while I agree that Eve should not be criticized one must wonder how and why shes in slayers if shes only a gold leaguer. I guess we need to see her in action before we can comment.
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On July 19 2011 21:15 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:13 furymonkey wrote:On July 19 2011 21:09 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 21:00 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 20:57 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. I'm going to pretend for a sake of the argument that I have a sister. If my sister wanted publicity as Jessica does, she would also pose in front of photographers and let her picture be posted on news websites for everybody to see. When you enter such a scene, it's stupid not to expect such an outcome. Do you see where I'm getting at? If someone photoshopping them onto a pornographic image is against the law and punishable(*defamation*). They would expect to be taken to court, and Jessica is completely within her rights to do so. Wouldn't you expect to get taken to court? Do you see what Im getting at? No, I don't. As I've stated in my original post, some things are to be expected and completely irrelevant to your life/success in the progaming scene. As some other poster noted, would Emma Watson be right to try to track down every guy who photoshopped her pictures? Some things might be illegal, but completely harmless even if you're not stoic. She is within her rights to do so, but why would I expect the police to waste their time with such nuisances? Going back to your post about my sister, wouldn't you expect such thing to happen in this situation? You're a young girl and not well known for your starcraft achievements, yet you join a top-class starcraft progaming team and let the public see you. What sort of person wouldn't foresee this mess? You sound like one of those who would blame women getting raped because they dressed like a slut, even though raper is in the total wrong here. Are we comparing shopping pictures to rape now? This is just ridiculous. Public figures should expect to be treated by the public as such. This includes love, hate, and all the distortions imagination has to offer.
Didn't you know? Any argument (..or debate) on TL, and the internet in general, tends to end up with a really, stupid as fuck analogy.
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