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On July 19 2011 21:27 hippocritical wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:19 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 21:15 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 21:13 furymonkey wrote:On July 19 2011 21:09 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 21:00 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 20:57 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. I'm going to pretend for a sake of the argument that I have a sister. If my sister wanted publicity as Jessica does, she would also pose in front of photographers and let her picture be posted on news websites for everybody to see. When you enter such a scene, it's stupid not to expect such an outcome. Do you see where I'm getting at? If someone photoshopping them onto a pornographic image is against the law and punishable(*defamation*). They would expect to be taken to court, and Jessica is completely within her rights to do so. Wouldn't you expect to get taken to court? Do you see what Im getting at? No, I don't. As I've stated in my original post, some things are to be expected and completely irrelevant to your life/success in the progaming scene. As some other poster noted, would Emma Watson be right to try to track down every guy who photoshopped her pictures? Some things might be illegal, but completely harmless even if you're not stoic. She is within her rights to do so, but why would I expect the police to waste their time with such nuisances? Going back to your post about my sister, wouldn't you expect such thing to happen in this situation? You're a young girl and not well known for your starcraft achievements, yet you join a top-class starcraft progaming team and let the public see you. What sort of person wouldn't foresee this mess? You sound like one of those who would blame women getting raped because they dressed like a slut, even though raper is in the total wrong here. Are we comparing shopping pictures to rape now? This is just ridiculous. Public figures should expect to be treated by the public as such. This includes love, hate, and all the distortions imagination has to offer. And people posting hateful messages and photoshops should expect to be punished by the law when it's illegal to do so in their country..... I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Something tells me Voltaire wasn't thinking of nude shops. The fact that you even brought him into this discussion is laughable.
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That is definitely overreacting, lmao.
Call the internet police. -_-
Considering she used to be an actress I thought she would know how to grasp these sort of situations. There is no reason to get upset.
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On July 19 2011 21:14 nanaoei wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:09 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 21:00 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 20:57 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. I'm going to pretend for a sake of the argument that I have a sister. If my sister wanted publicity as Jessica does, she would also pose in front of photographers and let her picture be posted on news websites for everybody to see. When you enter such a scene, it's stupid not to expect such an outcome. Do you see where I'm getting at? If someone photoshopping them onto a pornographic image is against the law and punishable(*defamation*). They would expect to be taken to court, and Jessica is completely within her rights to do so. Wouldn't you expect to get taken to court? Do you see what Im getting at? No, I don't. As I've stated in my original post, some things are to be expected and completely irrelevant to your life/success in the progaming scene. As some other poster noted, would Emma Watson be right to try to track down every guy who photoshopped her pictures? Some things might be illegal, but completely harmless even if you're not stoic. She is within her rights to do so, but why would I expect the police to waste their time with such nuisances? Going back to your post about my sister, wouldn't you expect such thing to happen in this situation? You're a young girl and not well known for your starcraft achievements, yet you join a top-class starcraft progaming team and let the public see you. What sort of person wouldn't foresee this mess? i don't expect you to reply to this at all, but to anwer your last question: i kinda dunno, what sort of people do you think half of us are? i'm sure we want/[wanted] her to do well, on top of many other hopes, and ideas and a simple thought is that this incident is a preventing factor
What sort of people half of you are? Idealists, I would say. The world isn't always fine and dandy and you can't always take out your wheelbarrow full of gold out for a walk in a busy city and expect everybody you meet to be happy for you. When you put yourself out there in the public, at least grow a thicker skin.
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On July 19 2011 21:33 seraz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:28 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 21:26 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
This thread can be boiled down to people thinking that freedom of speech and being assholes are the same thing. Good luck. But they are, or at least being an asshole is often protected by freedom of expression, including in this case. The trouble with fighting for human freedom, is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all. --H. L. Mencken being an asshole IS NOT PROTECTED IN SOUTH KOREA
I know. I am not making a decision for the South Korean courts. However, given the vast numbers of people online in South Korea frequenting the sites Kim Ga Yeon is targeting, this has all the makings of a frivolous lawsuit with too many defendants to properly prosecute.
My own remarks on the case are what I believe would be correct in a just society.
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On July 19 2011 21:35 ItsMeDomLee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:27 hippocritical wrote:On July 19 2011 21:19 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 21:15 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 21:13 furymonkey wrote:On July 19 2011 21:09 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 21:00 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 20:57 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. I'm going to pretend for a sake of the argument that I have a sister. If my sister wanted publicity as Jessica does, she would also pose in front of photographers and let her picture be posted on news websites for everybody to see. When you enter such a scene, it's stupid not to expect such an outcome. Do you see where I'm getting at? If someone photoshopping them onto a pornographic image is against the law and punishable(*defamation*). They would expect to be taken to court, and Jessica is completely within her rights to do so. Wouldn't you expect to get taken to court? Do you see what Im getting at? No, I don't. As I've stated in my original post, some things are to be expected and completely irrelevant to your life/success in the progaming scene. As some other poster noted, would Emma Watson be right to try to track down every guy who photoshopped her pictures? Some things might be illegal, but completely harmless even if you're not stoic. She is within her rights to do so, but why would I expect the police to waste their time with such nuisances? Going back to your post about my sister, wouldn't you expect such thing to happen in this situation? You're a young girl and not well known for your starcraft achievements, yet you join a top-class starcraft progaming team and let the public see you. What sort of person wouldn't foresee this mess? You sound like one of those who would blame women getting raped because they dressed like a slut, even though raper is in the total wrong here. Are we comparing shopping pictures to rape now? This is just ridiculous. Public figures should expect to be treated by the public as such. This includes love, hate, and all the distortions imagination has to offer. And people posting hateful messages and photoshops should expect to be punished by the law when it's illegal to do so in their country..... I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. Something tells me Voltaire wasn't thinking of nude shops. The fact that you even brought him into this discussion is laughable.
Mencken quite clearly was much more ahead of his time ^_^
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On July 19 2011 20:57 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
This isn't about freedom. This is about people being assholes and cowards. Someone could come out in public and say that recruiting SlayerS_Eve is probably a failed idea and she probaby won't turn out to be much of a progamer. While that would be rude, it's an opinion and people would live with it. Posting highly inflammatory remarks about her gender and shopping pictures of a 22 year old girl are something else. The fact that you would even bring freedom into something like this is laughable. We're at a time where people should be held accountable for their actions and stop thinking that they can get away with everything in the name of "rights" and "freedom". This shit makes me sick. People that do this are the same people that riot after their sports team loses and vandalize things thinking that they'll get away with it.
Actually that is exactly why freedom is important and quite difficult to hold on to. The true indication of how much freedom we have comes when there's an issue many people strongly disagree with, its not really about protecting middle of the road opinions like "lol slayers_eve is bad k".
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On July 19 2011 21:36 Xiphiass wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:14 nanaoei wrote:On July 19 2011 21:09 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 21:00 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 20:57 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. I'm going to pretend for a sake of the argument that I have a sister. If my sister wanted publicity as Jessica does, she would also pose in front of photographers and let her picture be posted on news websites for everybody to see. When you enter such a scene, it's stupid not to expect such an outcome. Do you see where I'm getting at? If someone photoshopping them onto a pornographic image is against the law and punishable(*defamation*). They would expect to be taken to court, and Jessica is completely within her rights to do so. Wouldn't you expect to get taken to court? Do you see what Im getting at? No, I don't. As I've stated in my original post, some things are to be expected and completely irrelevant to your life/success in the progaming scene. As some other poster noted, would Emma Watson be right to try to track down every guy who photoshopped her pictures? Some things might be illegal, but completely harmless even if you're not stoic. She is within her rights to do so, but why would I expect the police to waste their time with such nuisances? Going back to your post about my sister, wouldn't you expect such thing to happen in this situation? You're a young girl and not well known for your starcraft achievements, yet you join a top-class starcraft progaming team and let the public see you. What sort of person wouldn't foresee this mess? i don't expect you to reply to this at all, but to anwer your last question: i kinda dunno, what sort of people do you think half of us are? i'm sure we want/[wanted] her to do well, on top of many other hopes, and ideas and a simple thought is that this incident is a preventing factor What sort of people half of you are? Idealists, I would say. The world isn't always fine and dandy and you can't always take out your wheelbarrow full of gold out for a walk in a busy city and expect everybody you meet to be happy for you. When you put yourself out there in the public, at least grow a thicker skin.
Stop dodging. What gives you a right to tell people how to feel?
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On July 19 2011 21:35 ItsMeDomLee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:27 hippocritical wrote:On July 19 2011 21:19 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 21:15 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 21:13 furymonkey wrote:On July 19 2011 21:09 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 21:00 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 20:57 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. I'm going to pretend for a sake of the argument that I have a sister. If my sister wanted publicity as Jessica does, she would also pose in front of photographers and let her picture be posted on news websites for everybody to see. When you enter such a scene, it's stupid not to expect such an outcome. Do you see where I'm getting at? If someone photoshopping them onto a pornographic image is against the law and punishable(*defamation*). They would expect to be taken to court, and Jessica is completely within her rights to do so. Wouldn't you expect to get taken to court? Do you see what Im getting at? No, I don't. As I've stated in my original post, some things are to be expected and completely irrelevant to your life/success in the progaming scene. As some other poster noted, would Emma Watson be right to try to track down every guy who photoshopped her pictures? Some things might be illegal, but completely harmless even if you're not stoic. She is within her rights to do so, but why would I expect the police to waste their time with such nuisances? Going back to your post about my sister, wouldn't you expect such thing to happen in this situation? You're a young girl and not well known for your starcraft achievements, yet you join a top-class starcraft progaming team and let the public see you. What sort of person wouldn't foresee this mess? You sound like one of those who would blame women getting raped because they dressed like a slut, even though raper is in the total wrong here. Are we comparing shopping pictures to rape now? This is just ridiculous. Public figures should expect to be treated by the public as such. This includes love, hate, and all the distortions imagination has to offer. And people posting hateful messages and photoshops should expect to be punished by the law when it's illegal to do so in their country..... I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. Something tells me Voltaire wasn't thinking of nude shops. The fact that you even brought him into this discussion is laughable.
Voltaire probably didn't  , but again what are ideals without principles?
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On July 19 2011 21:36 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:35 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 21:27 hippocritical wrote:On July 19 2011 21:19 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 21:15 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 21:13 furymonkey wrote:On July 19 2011 21:09 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 21:00 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 20:57 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
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You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar.
I'm going to pretend for a sake of the argument that I have a sister. If my sister wanted publicity as Jessica does, she would also pose in front of photographers and let her picture be posted on news websites for everybody to see. When you enter such a scene, it's stupid not to expect such an outcome. Do you see where I'm getting at? If someone photoshopping them onto a pornographic image is against the law and punishable(*defamation*). They would expect to be taken to court, and Jessica is completely within her rights to do so. Wouldn't you expect to get taken to court? Do you see what Im getting at? No, I don't. As I've stated in my original post, some things are to be expected and completely irrelevant to your life/success in the progaming scene. As some other poster noted, would Emma Watson be right to try to track down every guy who photoshopped her pictures? Some things might be illegal, but completely harmless even if you're not stoic. She is within her rights to do so, but why would I expect the police to waste their time with such nuisances? Going back to your post about my sister, wouldn't you expect such thing to happen in this situation? You're a young girl and not well known for your starcraft achievements, yet you join a top-class starcraft progaming team and let the public see you. What sort of person wouldn't foresee this mess? You sound like one of those who would blame women getting raped because they dressed like a slut, even though raper is in the total wrong here. Are we comparing shopping pictures to rape now? This is just ridiculous. Public figures should expect to be treated by the public as such. This includes love, hate, and all the distortions imagination has to offer. And people posting hateful messages and photoshops should expect to be punished by the law when it's illegal to do so in their country..... I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. Something tells me Voltaire wasn't thinking of nude shops. The fact that you even brought him into this discussion is laughable. Mencken quite clearly was much more ahead of his time ^_^
True genius that one XD
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On July 19 2011 21:38 hippocritical wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:35 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 21:27 hippocritical wrote:On July 19 2011 21:19 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 21:15 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 21:13 furymonkey wrote:On July 19 2011 21:09 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 21:00 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 20:57 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
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You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar.
I'm going to pretend for a sake of the argument that I have a sister. If my sister wanted publicity as Jessica does, she would also pose in front of photographers and let her picture be posted on news websites for everybody to see. When you enter such a scene, it's stupid not to expect such an outcome. Do you see where I'm getting at? If someone photoshopping them onto a pornographic image is against the law and punishable(*defamation*). They would expect to be taken to court, and Jessica is completely within her rights to do so. Wouldn't you expect to get taken to court? Do you see what Im getting at? No, I don't. As I've stated in my original post, some things are to be expected and completely irrelevant to your life/success in the progaming scene. As some other poster noted, would Emma Watson be right to try to track down every guy who photoshopped her pictures? Some things might be illegal, but completely harmless even if you're not stoic. She is within her rights to do so, but why would I expect the police to waste their time with such nuisances? Going back to your post about my sister, wouldn't you expect such thing to happen in this situation? You're a young girl and not well known for your starcraft achievements, yet you join a top-class starcraft progaming team and let the public see you. What sort of person wouldn't foresee this mess? You sound like one of those who would blame women getting raped because they dressed like a slut, even though raper is in the total wrong here. Are we comparing shopping pictures to rape now? This is just ridiculous. Public figures should expect to be treated by the public as such. This includes love, hate, and all the distortions imagination has to offer. And people posting hateful messages and photoshops should expect to be punished by the law when it's illegal to do so in their country..... I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. Something tells me Voltaire wasn't thinking of nude shops. The fact that you even brought him into this discussion is laughable. Voltaire probably didn't , but again what are ideals without principles?
To assume there would be an exception goes against Voltaire's intent completely.
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On July 19 2011 21:11 Linwelin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:01 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:55 Linwelin wrote:On July 19 2011 20:52 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. Don't think his sister accepted a progamer job that she didn't deserve, while posing for photographs and welcoming publicity. Who are you to judge if she deserved the programmer job or not? Have you seen her play or something? I think the point here is that we haven't seen her in any tournies. And now she's in one of the top SC progaming teams. Who are we not to judge, then? When MMA or Alicia or Ryung or any other current member(except Boxer i guess) joined SlayerS did you know them at all? Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:01 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 20:58 Linwelin wrote:On July 19 2011 20:56 FFGenerations wrote:
absolutely, if i get angry and say something like "the senator is a corrupt fucking dickshit and i hope he dies" i dont want the fucking police knocking at my door and to go to jail for it You said that because you got angry. They did that because...they got angry at someone they don't know at all? On July 19 2011 20:58 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 20:55 Linwelin wrote:On July 19 2011 20:52 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. Don't think his sister accepted a progamer job that she didn't deserve, while posing for photographs and welcoming publicity. Who are you to judge if she deserved the programmer job or not? Have you seen her play or something? When did she take a programmer job? In any case, I wouldn't rate a progammer's skill based on him playing Starcraft games. As for her progaming job, she isn't in Code B, or even close. Considering that GOM basically considers Code B, or the top 0.2% of all players on the KR server to be the qualifying line for GSL entry, and she isn't even in the top 40% (based on her Gold account), I'd say I can make a good guess that she isn't deserving of a progaming career based on merit alone. I mean, Kim Ga Yeon herself suggested that she was recruited partially based on "looks." But really, that's not the point. Emma Watson is a fine actress, but I'm not brandishing any pitchforks at all the photoshopped nudes of her. Oh noes a typo, lets make fun of that I guess the rest of my points were too well established for you to make a response? Arguing with someone that makes fun of an insignificant mistake is not my hobby, but anyway. First of all there is this gold account but nowhere have I seen any real evidence that it's her "main" account. You also seem to forget that Eve is considered as a trainee and not a "full member" like MMA or Alicia. Even if she is gold, don't you think training with the SlayerS team will not improve her play a lot if she really dedicates a lot of time into it? (Which, according to Jessica, she does) Being a trainee means you're training (yes really) About the look part, Bisu was also recruited based on his "looks" in BW, what does that mean? Nothing. On July 19 2011 21:09 snafoo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:05 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 21:03 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 21:01 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:55 Linwelin wrote:On July 19 2011 20:52 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. Don't think his sister accepted a progamer job that she didn't deserve, while posing for photographs and welcoming publicity. Who are you to judge if she deserved the programmer job or not? Have you seen her play or something? I think the point here is that we haven't seen her in any tournies. And now she's in one of the top SC progaming teams. Who are we not to judge, then? Had you heard of Alicia when he first joined SlayerS? What about MMA? Ryung? Frozen? I mean, obviously she could be bad, but so could ANY person who joins a team who hasn't played in broadcasted games. I'm pretty sure none of those people were in gold league when they joined SlayerS. I'm sorry, but when even Kim Ga Yeon says you were recruited partially based on "looks" the circumstances of your recruitment could definitely be called into question. Maybe not gold league, but Jinro posted in the other thread that Alicia was pretty bad and used to just always allin... so.... Being recruited based partly on looks is nothing new. Bisu in particular, partly was recruited based on appearance.
What? Where did you get that from? Bisu? The best performing player reqruited based on looks? Smells like BS, not gonna lie.
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On July 19 2011 21:32 ItsMeDomLee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:20 Xiphiass wrote:
We do expect such things to happen because they do happen. It might seem stupid and douchebag-ey, but that's what happens and you have to expect that shit. As for accountability, people should be more careful what you want to get taken away from them. Tracking down people on the internet for such disregard-able things is the next step of getting rid of any anonymity (and then privacy) on the internet. Getting your face (that you let everyone see) photoshopped isn't something to loose sleep over, much less worth loosing anonymity for. Again. It's you telling someone how they should feel. You have no connection to the people in question and you clearly don't care. Do you think you, some random person across the world knows better or do you think the manager knows better? You think a shopped nude photo is something completely disregardable but YOU have no RIGHT to make that decision for someone else. You keep going on and on about rights privacy and free speech yet you take away someone's right to feel hurt. Get out of here.
It's me expressing my opinion, yes. What else is this thread for, on a forum for discussing things? I don't have the right to make their decision, but I have all rights to say that I think that the decision they made is idiotic.
Also, right to feel hurt. That's a new one. Spectacular. I don't think this right to feel hurt also covers the right to go to the police because someone is a meany, and telling the whole world that you're doing it?
As for your last sentence, please respect my right to not getting out of anywhere.
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This is way to much from SlayerS_Jessica. If you're gonna do something about it, take actions against the worst dickheads and not every one that mentions your name. And do it silently so it doesn't get this huge, by making this so public with tweets and pictures all over the place she doesn't make her look any better nor SlayerS for that matter. This will only end up with a few people being sued while SlayerS will lose alot of fans. =&
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On July 19 2011 21:37 ItsMeDomLee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:36 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 21:14 nanaoei wrote:On July 19 2011 21:09 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 21:00 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 20:57 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. I'm going to pretend for a sake of the argument that I have a sister. If my sister wanted publicity as Jessica does, she would also pose in front of photographers and let her picture be posted on news websites for everybody to see. When you enter such a scene, it's stupid not to expect such an outcome. Do you see where I'm getting at? If someone photoshopping them onto a pornographic image is against the law and punishable(*defamation*). They would expect to be taken to court, and Jessica is completely within her rights to do so. Wouldn't you expect to get taken to court? Do you see what Im getting at? No, I don't. As I've stated in my original post, some things are to be expected and completely irrelevant to your life/success in the progaming scene. As some other poster noted, would Emma Watson be right to try to track down every guy who photoshopped her pictures? Some things might be illegal, but completely harmless even if you're not stoic. She is within her rights to do so, but why would I expect the police to waste their time with such nuisances? Going back to your post about my sister, wouldn't you expect such thing to happen in this situation? You're a young girl and not well known for your starcraft achievements, yet you join a top-class starcraft progaming team and let the public see you. What sort of person wouldn't foresee this mess? i don't expect you to reply to this at all, but to anwer your last question: i kinda dunno, what sort of people do you think half of us are? i'm sure we want/[wanted] her to do well, on top of many other hopes, and ideas and a simple thought is that this incident is a preventing factor What sort of people half of you are? Idealists, I would say. The world isn't always fine and dandy and you can't always take out your wheelbarrow full of gold out for a walk in a busy city and expect everybody you meet to be happy for you. When you put yourself out there in the public, at least grow a thicker skin. Stop dodging. What gives you a right to tell people how to feel?
Oh, I wasn't dodging. It just takes time to get through all the posts here. Respect my right to slowly read through forum posts, please.
And freedom of speech gives me that right, doesn't it? I can't make them feel that way, but I can surely tell them my opinion on the situation.
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On July 19 2011 21:42 lol wrote:
This is way to much from SlayerS_Jessica. If you're gonna do something about it, take actions against the worst dickheads and not every one that mentions your name. And do it silently so it doesn't get this huge, by making this so public with tweets and pictures all over the place she doesn't make her look any better nor SlayerS for that matter. This will only end up with a few people being sued while SlayerS will lose alot of fans. =&
Read the full OP. She is only suing few people with very extreme flames, not everyone who mentions her or Eves name...
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On July 19 2011 21:45 Morfildur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:42 lol wrote:
This is way to much from SlayerS_Jessica. If you're gonna do something about it, take actions against the worst dickheads and not every one that mentions your name. And do it silently so it doesn't get this huge, by making this so public with tweets and pictures all over the place she doesn't make her look any better nor SlayerS for that matter. This will only end up with a few people being sued while SlayerS will lose alot of fans. =& Read the full OP. She is only suing few people with very extreme flames, not everyone who mentions her or Eves name...
Incorrect.
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On July 19 2011 21:45 Morfildur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:42 lol wrote:
This is way to much from SlayerS_Jessica. If you're gonna do something about it, take actions against the worst dickheads and not every one that mentions your name. And do it silently so it doesn't get this huge, by making this so public with tweets and pictures all over the place she doesn't make her look any better nor SlayerS for that matter. This will only end up with a few people being sued while SlayerS will lose alot of fans. =& Read the full OP. She is only suing few people with very extreme flames, not everyone who mentions her or Eves name...
Of course she doesn't, but by the looks of the picture with all the papers it looks like there is alot. Plus the situation with that guy who didn't do anything "extreme".
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On July 19 2011 21:47 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:45 Morfildur wrote:On July 19 2011 21:42 lol wrote:
This is way to much from SlayerS_Jessica. If you're gonna do something about it, take actions against the worst dickheads and not every one that mentions your name. And do it silently so it doesn't get this huge, by making this so public with tweets and pictures all over the place she doesn't make her look any better nor SlayerS for that matter. This will only end up with a few people being sued while SlayerS will lose alot of fans. =& Read the full OP. She is only suing few people with very extreme flames, not everyone who mentions her or Eves name... Incorrect.
Wtf are they talking about lol?
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On July 19 2011 21:45 Morfildur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:42 lol wrote:
This is way to much from SlayerS_Jessica. If you're gonna do something about it, take actions against the worst dickheads and not every one that mentions your name. And do it silently so it doesn't get this huge, by making this so public with tweets and pictures all over the place she doesn't make her look any better nor SlayerS for that matter. This will only end up with a few people being sued while SlayerS will lose alot of fans. =& Read the full OP. She is only suing few people with very extreme flames, not everyone who mentions her or Eves name...
I wish OP change his post, the 2nd paragraph is misleading as hell.
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On July 19 2011 21:40 xarthaz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:11 Linwelin wrote:On July 19 2011 21:01 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:55 Linwelin wrote:On July 19 2011 20:52 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. Don't think his sister accepted a progamer job that she didn't deserve, while posing for photographs and welcoming publicity. Who are you to judge if she deserved the programmer job or not? Have you seen her play or something? I think the point here is that we haven't seen her in any tournies. And now she's in one of the top SC progaming teams. Who are we not to judge, then? When MMA or Alicia or Ryung or any other current member(except Boxer i guess) joined SlayerS did you know them at all? On July 19 2011 21:01 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 20:58 Linwelin wrote:On July 19 2011 20:56 FFGenerations wrote:
absolutely, if i get angry and say something like "the senator is a corrupt fucking dickshit and i hope he dies" i dont want the fucking police knocking at my door and to go to jail for it You said that because you got angry. They did that because...they got angry at someone they don't know at all? On July 19 2011 20:58 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 20:55 Linwelin wrote:On July 19 2011 20:52 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. Don't think his sister accepted a progamer job that she didn't deserve, while posing for photographs and welcoming publicity. Who are you to judge if she deserved the programmer job or not? Have you seen her play or something? When did she take a programmer job? In any case, I wouldn't rate a progammer's skill based on him playing Starcraft games. As for her progaming job, she isn't in Code B, or even close. Considering that GOM basically considers Code B, or the top 0.2% of all players on the KR server to be the qualifying line for GSL entry, and she isn't even in the top 40% (based on her Gold account), I'd say I can make a good guess that she isn't deserving of a progaming career based on merit alone. I mean, Kim Ga Yeon herself suggested that she was recruited partially based on "looks." But really, that's not the point. Emma Watson is a fine actress, but I'm not brandishing any pitchforks at all the photoshopped nudes of her. Oh noes a typo, lets make fun of that I guess the rest of my points were too well established for you to make a response? Arguing with someone that makes fun of an insignificant mistake is not my hobby, but anyway. First of all there is this gold account but nowhere have I seen any real evidence that it's her "main" account. You also seem to forget that Eve is considered as a trainee and not a "full member" like MMA or Alicia. Even if she is gold, don't you think training with the SlayerS team will not improve her play a lot if she really dedicates a lot of time into it? (Which, according to Jessica, she does) Being a trainee means you're training (yes really) About the look part, Bisu was also recruited based on his "looks" in BW, what does that mean? Nothing. Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 21:09 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 21:05 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 21:03 snafoo wrote:On July 19 2011 21:01 Xiphiass wrote:On July 19 2011 20:55 Linwelin wrote:On July 19 2011 20:52 Kraznaya wrote:On July 19 2011 20:50 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On July 19 2011 20:48 Xiphiass wrote:
Oh, please. Adjust your priorities appropriately if someone on the internet angers or insults you. I'm not talking about valid death threats and such - some of these have an actual risk of affecting your real life. Hiding behind anonymity is the next logical step in democracy - it allows you to express unpopular opinion and not be afraid of prosecution because of that. Except for the internet, where else can you do it? I find it incredibly idiotic that so many people in this thread are ready to throw this privilege away so easily.
Someone said something mean to someone else on the internet? Eat it up.
If you're a female and you join a progaming team and you might not be as skilled as the other members - get ready to get flamed for all those reasons. This debate isn't about white knighting or affirmative action towards females in progaming scene, it's about the time people look past such differences in a game where you use your knowledge, experience and critical thinking.
In modern world, you must look beyond cultural differences (especially when you enter something that is international). This is a case of walking down a street where "Fuck you" is written on the wall and getting offended by that. Will you go to the police because of that?
Starcraft community is taking itself too damn seriously. Some things do not truly matter ("Oh my god, he called down a mule as he was winning!"), learn to look past them. There's a lesson in everything, and if you want everybody to see you, you have to accept that not everybody will see you how you like to be seen. Play, watch, learn and enjoy. Don't be so self-indulgent, some of you. Some of you that go to the korean police because of internet matters, especially.
How she acts and what she is about to do is stupid. That's the end of that. You're right. Now post some pictures of your sister so we can shop that onto a pornstar. Don't think his sister accepted a progamer job that she didn't deserve, while posing for photographs and welcoming publicity. Who are you to judge if she deserved the programmer job or not? Have you seen her play or something? I think the point here is that we haven't seen her in any tournies. And now she's in one of the top SC progaming teams. Who are we not to judge, then? Had you heard of Alicia when he first joined SlayerS? What about MMA? Ryung? Frozen? I mean, obviously she could be bad, but so could ANY person who joins a team who hasn't played in broadcasted games. I'm pretty sure none of those people were in gold league when they joined SlayerS. I'm sorry, but when even Kim Ga Yeon says you were recruited partially based on "looks" the circumstances of your recruitment could definitely be called into question. Maybe not gold league, but Jinro posted in the other thread that Alicia was pretty bad and used to just always allin... so.... Being recruited based partly on looks is nothing new. Bisu in particular, partly was recruited based on appearance. What? Where did you get that from? Bisu? The best performing player reqruited based on looks? Smells like BS, not gonna lie.
It's not BS, don't forget Korea is on the other side of the planet. employing people based on looks isn't regarded as shallow or insubstantial like here in the west.
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