On July 19 2011 06:04 AxionSteel wrote: If they were really comparable to the yankees or real madrid or something similar they'd have booted the likes of sheth, qxc, optikzero, SloG etc and offerred masses of money to lure MC, Mvp, NesTea, Bomber and NaDa into their team.
I don't know if that really works, SK is a little bit more comparable to the Yankees in that regard so I'll reassess that statement.
Just because they aren't buying the best, doesn't mean they aren't buying upwards. Regardless, Boss has invested more into his team(the original) than most owners in eSports can claim too, so none of my posts were really a shot at him in that regard.
I still stand by my statement in regards to Mercenaries and wondering why this situation is really different as of now, did he have a change of heart after interacting with Korean teams and realizing it only takes a few weeks to really be invested in a team that isn't your own? Or does he still think the mercenary system is stupid.
Sad for you. I personally like them even more Better practice partners for the original FXO players, chance to see the likes of sC and Leenock at foreign lans, chance for some of the original FXO players to stay in Korea and practice in the fOu house, maybe some of the Korean players will come to Malaysia etc. Actual sponsors for the hardworking Choya and his fOu teammates, who deserve it. List goes on! Good move for FXO!
Oh that's perfectly fine, and it's not sad for me at all. I happen to still like Sheth quite a bit and I've never doubted that FXOBoss has nothing but good intentions for his team and for eSports, I just find it surprising and to be honest, maybe even a little hypocritical that he made such a purchase after his comments on why the mercenary system was bad. Does adding a clan tag in front of a name make it any more personable?
I didn't start liking Complexity simply because some of my favorite players added coL in front of their names, it took a bit to see how the team actually interacted and communicated. I've seen Boss talk to and about Choya very positively but not much in regards to the rest of Fou, which is why I'm a bit perplexed by this decision after his prior comments.
On July 19 2011 05:46 Serpico wrote: [quote] And you still don't get it, wow man. Just really amazing. Whatever I guess, someone will ALWAYS be there to hate as hard as they can.
Oh get the fuck over yourself.
Oh no, he didn't say it was the greatest thing in the world, he's asking for clarification, what a hater!
I'm waiting and seeing, I'm not saying FXO is shit because they bought some good players. It's far from "hating", what a stupid fucking reaction.
That's incredibly ironic considering the first thing you do is act like this is some huge contradiction of what he said before.
Care to clarify or elaborate or are you going to continue posting one line responses?
Uhhh, it's perfect english and you're being a hypocrite. You aren't hating but this move caused you to like FXO less? Really? If you need more to explain that hypocrisy then that's on you. Then you talk about how he was talking about mercenaries and such and then you think this move is so interesting in light of that as if he was going against what he said.
I do think it contradicts what little he said on the mercenary system earlier and was asking for clarification on that, I clearly stated why I feel it contradicts his earlier statements, go back and re-read if you're confused by that.
I'm hating because I said that I am little put off by this decision and will be waiting to see before I move FXO around as far as teams I root for? Fuck me, I'm a total hater, anything that's a little off neutral and a smidgen off from super positive must be fucking hating.
And now you're just being defensive because your comments were completely irrational. Don't worry, you're a martyr, poor you getting grief because you said something stupid. cya.
You're cute.
I'm still waiting for an actual response, but this works too.
I gave you a proper response a few pages ago but you did not respond to it. Here read it!
Your telling a guy and a team which has assembled a group of foreigners who are not the dream team by any stretch of the imagination. Guys like tgun, just a regular SEA Masters player with a passion. Optikzero, ladder grinder who couldn't find proper practice partners. Slog whose enthusiasm and complete dedication is awe inspiring. Not guys like Nani or Select. They didn't buy up Kiwi when he was a free agent after the merger of Root and Col.
FXO provided these guys with a well structured team environment before the move to Korea. They also ran tourneys and KoTH for other foreigners (and Koreans).
They always got their whole team to MLGs.
Then they gave their players the opportunity to play and practice in the most conducive atmosphere to improve anywhere on the planet; Korea.
They built an ESPORTS mansion in Malaysia and are actively searching for Malaysian SC2 players to join and live in said mansion, in an attempt to grow SC2 in that country.
They take great care of their players, letting Sheth go back to the US, under an absolute storm of self-righteous anger from the community and have not once been anything but 100% supportive of him.
They fly Koreans out to MLG.
They pay salary to their players.
They saw an opportunity in Fou a team who was without any sort of big sponsorship, which had gone through some problems. They offered Fou the resources to become one of the best Korean teams and give FXO current roster a huge group of amazing training partners.
And there is a business side, which I already posted about, but for your forgetful self I will spoiler here:
- Hide Spoiler - Secondly, FXO's main objective is to introduce their brand to the Esports audience. Is there anyone who vaguely follows SC2 proscene that doesn't know about FXO now? Their KOTHs, mansion in KL, regular invitationals (<3 FXOPENIS), QXC/Sheth signings.....and to add to that the GSTL. The first ever foreigner team to compete in a Korean teamleague, an extremely ambitious and daring move one which will become part of Esports history, a mark in the development of non-Korean Esports. With the merger of FXO and fou, FXO can make a definitive mark in the Korean landscape.
FXO is now poised as a company that can act as a conduit through which western advertising dollars can flow into the Korean scene. FXO have proved themselves to some very big name sponsors in their professionalism and ability to put together an excellent product (the aforementioned KoTHs, Invitationals). They can now make great contacts within Korea and direct companies in successful partnerships. This is a bit of speculation on my part but I can see this pretty close to what is actually happening.
Suggesting FXO are somehow the Yankees of SC2 is presumptuous, uninformed and worthless blather.
Not once have I really questioned Boss's dedication to his team, or even to eSports. I simply stated that to me, a team that builds up players that are relative unknowns is more in-tune with what I like to get behind and was wondering if there was some more behind the scenes to this decision that would allow more insight into the situation. Something tells me that this was more of an investment in sustaining an on-the-ropes team as opposed to buying out an up-coming team, but based on what I know so far, Fou has been doing about as well as many other teams so not sure if that's the case.
I will retract the Yankees comparison, I still feel they're buying upwards but I'm not sure if that was the most apt analogy.
I am curious why you can't see a difference between a mercenary system and a merge under a single governing organization. They are two different terms after all. Everything from public and business relations to tournament organization, travel and accommodation logistics, internal communication and in-house player evaluation is much more streamlined.
Would you state that said difference does not exist?
On July 19 2011 05:38 DwD wrote: I'm starting to dislike FXO more and more but maybe it's just me.. Feels like they wanna do all of these cool things which I guess are good but I think they are the wrong team to do it. They got like 1 good player >< And he isn't even participating in the korean events.
who is their 1 good player? lol is it sheth/qxc/moonglade/moonan ? they are all scary good players and you are ignorant if you dont think so
It's Sheth. The other players can barely win 1 game in GSTL. They get almost all killed everytime dude. And if they are so good why aren't they participating in MLG/Dreamhack? They surely got the funds to get sent over to play but they never come.. Or maybe they did just never got far enough for me to notice.
The trip to play in GSTL is not about winning. It was never about winning. It was all about improving.
On July 19 2011 06:04 AxionSteel wrote: If they were really comparable to the yankees or real madrid or something similar they'd have booted the likes of sheth, qxc, optikzero, SloG etc and offerred masses of money to lure MC, Mvp, NesTea, Bomber and NaDa into their team.
I don't know if that really works, SK is a little bit more comparable to the Yankees in that regard so I'll reassess that statement.
Just because they aren't buying the best, doesn't mean they aren't buying upwards. Regardless, Boss has invested more into his team(the original) than most owners in eSports can claim too, so none of my posts were really a shot at him in that regard.
I still stand by my statement in regards to Mercenaries and wondering why this situation is really different as of now, did he have a change of heart after interacting with Korean teams and realizing it only takes a few weeks to really be invested in a team that isn't your own? Or does he still think the mercenary system is stupid.
Sad for you. I personally like them even more Better practice partners for the original FXO players, chance to see the likes of sC and Leenock at foreign lans, chance for some of the original FXO players to stay in Korea and practice in the fOu house, maybe some of the Korean players will come to Malaysia etc. Actual sponsors for the hardworking Choya and his fOu teammates, who deserve it. List goes on! Good move for FXO!
Oh that's perfectly fine, and it's not sad for me at all. I happen to still like Sheth quite a bit and I've never doubted that FXOBoss has nothing but good intentions for his team and for eSports, I just find it surprising and to be honest, maybe even a little hypocritical that he made such a purchase after his comments on why the mercenary system was bad. Does adding a clan tag in front of a name make it any more personable?
I didn't start liking Complexity simply because some of my favorite players added coL in front of their names, it took a bit to see how the team actually interacted and communicated. I've seen Boss talk to and about Choya very positively but not much in regards to the rest of Fou, which is why I'm a bit perplexed by this decision after his prior comments.
On July 19 2011 05:46 Serpico wrote: [quote] And you still don't get it, wow man. Just really amazing. Whatever I guess, someone will ALWAYS be there to hate as hard as they can.
Oh get the fuck over yourself.
Oh no, he didn't say it was the greatest thing in the world, he's asking for clarification, what a hater!
I'm waiting and seeing, I'm not saying FXO is shit because they bought some good players. It's far from "hating", what a stupid fucking reaction.
That's incredibly ironic considering the first thing you do is act like this is some huge contradiction of what he said before.
Care to clarify or elaborate or are you going to continue posting one line responses?
Uhhh, it's perfect english and you're being a hypocrite. You aren't hating but this move caused you to like FXO less? Really? If you need more to explain that hypocrisy then that's on you. Then you talk about how he was talking about mercenaries and such and then you think this move is so interesting in light of that as if he was going against what he said.
I do think it contradicts what little he said on the mercenary system earlier and was asking for clarification on that, I clearly stated why I feel it contradicts his earlier statements, go back and re-read if you're confused by that.
I'm hating because I said that I am little put off by this decision and will be waiting to see before I move FXO around as far as teams I root for? Fuck me, I'm a total hater, anything that's a little off neutral and a smidgen off from super positive must be fucking hating.
And now you're just being defensive because your comments were completely irrational. Don't worry, you're a martyr, poor you getting grief because you said something stupid. cya.
You're cute.
I'm still waiting for an actual response, but this works too.
I gave you a proper response a few pages ago but you did not respond to it. Here read it!
Your telling a guy and a team which has assembled a group of foreigners who are not the dream team by any stretch of the imagination. Guys like tgun, just a regular SEA Masters player with a passion. Optikzero, ladder grinder who couldn't find proper practice partners. Slog whose enthusiasm and complete dedication is awe inspiring. Not guys like Nani or Select. They didn't buy up Kiwi when he was a free agent after the merger of Root and Col.
FXO provided these guys with a well structured team environment before the move to Korea. They also ran tourneys and KoTH for other foreigners (and Koreans).
They always got their whole team to MLGs.
Then they gave their players the opportunity to play and practice in the most conducive atmosphere to improve anywhere on the planet; Korea.
They built an ESPORTS mansion in Malaysia and are actively searching for Malaysian SC2 players to join and live in said mansion, in an attempt to grow SC2 in that country.
They take great care of their players, letting Sheth go back to the US, under an absolute storm of self-righteous anger from the community and have not once been anything but 100% supportive of him.
They fly Koreans out to MLG.
They pay salary to their players.
They saw an opportunity in Fou a team who was without any sort of big sponsorship, which had gone through some problems. They offered Fou the resources to become one of the best Korean teams and give FXO current roster a huge group of amazing training partners.
And there is a business side, which I already posted about, but for your forgetful self I will spoiler here:
- Hide Spoiler - Secondly, FXO's main objective is to introduce their brand to the Esports audience. Is there anyone who vaguely follows SC2 proscene that doesn't know about FXO now? Their KOTHs, mansion in KL, regular invitationals (<3 FXOPENIS), QXC/Sheth signings.....and to add to that the GSTL. The first ever foreigner team to compete in a Korean teamleague, an extremely ambitious and daring move one which will become part of Esports history, a mark in the development of non-Korean Esports. With the merger of FXO and fou, FXO can make a definitive mark in the Korean landscape.
FXO is now poised as a company that can act as a conduit through which western advertising dollars can flow into the Korean scene. FXO have proved themselves to some very big name sponsors in their professionalism and ability to put together an excellent product (the aforementioned KoTHs, Invitationals). They can now make great contacts within Korea and direct companies in successful partnerships. This is a bit of speculation on my part but I can see this pretty close to what is actually happening.
Suggesting FXO are somehow the Yankees of SC2 is presumptuous, uninformed and worthless blather.
Not once have I really questioned Boss's dedication to his team, or even to eSports. I simply stated that to me, a team that builds up players that are relative unknowns is more in-tune with what I like to get behind and was wondering if there was some more behind the scenes to this decision that would allow more insight into the situation. Something tells me that this was more of an investment in sustaining an on-the-ropes team as opposed to buying out an up-coming team, but based on what I know so far, Fou has been doing about as well as many other teams so not sure if that's the case.
I will retract the Yankees comparison, I still feel they're buying upwards but I'm not sure if that was the most apt analogy.
Well obviously they bought upwards, fOu has some amazing players. I don't understand the point you are trying to make.
You keep saying you like to get behind teams if they only recruit unknowns that have potential. Than get behind those teams, no one is forcing you to like FXO, Boss is just doing everything he can to help his team and esports in general grow.
After this summer in the Gom house, the fxo players would of had to stay in Malaysia house and fly to korea for the events, which from what I understand of what Boss has said in other threads isn't that costly/he's willing to do that.
While they were in Korea choyafOu was very nice to Boss, he's getting a free trip to MLG for it. In one of his blogs about korea Boss said his team practiced a bunch with fOu to prepare for GSTL/Code A. Obviously practicing a lot with another team and being good friends with the head coach/captain/team leader would lead to bonds between the two teams.
fOu didn't have any real sponsors, so FXO decides that they are going to sponsor the team, and since they are actually sponsoring fOu, instead of just allying such as TL/oGs, fOu is taking the band of FXO upon themselves.
Now FXO has two team houses in asia, an amazing roster full of great players and lots of potentially great players, they'll be able to get more Koreans to foreign events, among I'm sure lots of other things that we don't know about yet.
Obviously this a big move for FXO, but to think that they are just buying upwards for the sake of getting good players on their team through money, is really naive and ignorant.
We are extremely fortunate to have such a wealthy and passionate guy in FXOBoSS supporting our E-Sports industry. He's probably invested more out of his own pocket than anyone else in the foreign scene today, so mad props to him. Please ignore the trolls, though, they don't deserve a response.
On July 19 2011 06:04 AxionSteel wrote: If they were really comparable to the yankees or real madrid or something similar they'd have booted the likes of sheth, qxc, optikzero, SloG etc and offerred masses of money to lure MC, Mvp, NesTea, Bomber and NaDa into their team.
I don't know if that really works, SK is a little bit more comparable to the Yankees in that regard so I'll reassess that statement.
Just because they aren't buying the best, doesn't mean they aren't buying upwards. Regardless, Boss has invested more into his team(the original) than most owners in eSports can claim too, so none of my posts were really a shot at him in that regard.
I still stand by my statement in regards to Mercenaries and wondering why this situation is really different as of now, did he have a change of heart after interacting with Korean teams and realizing it only takes a few weeks to really be invested in a team that isn't your own? Or does he still think the mercenary system is stupid.
On July 19 2011 06:06 Klonere wrote:
On July 19 2011 06:00 Mordiford wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:59 Serpico wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:56 Mordiford wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:53 Serpico wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:52 Mordiford wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:51 Serpico wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:47 Mordiford wrote: [quote]
Oh that's perfectly fine, and it's not sad for me at all. I happen to still like Sheth quite a bit and I've never doubted that FXOBoss has nothing but good intentions for his team and for eSports, I just find it surprising and to be honest, maybe even a little hypocritical that he made such a purchase after his comments on why the mercenary system was bad. Does adding a clan tag in front of a name make it any more personable?
I didn't start liking Complexity simply because some of my favorite players added coL in front of their names, it took a bit to see how the team actually interacted and communicated. I've seen Boss talk to and about Choya very positively but not much in regards to the rest of Fou, which is why I'm a bit perplexed by this decision after his prior comments.
[quote]
Oh get the fuck over yourself.
Oh no, he didn't say it was the greatest thing in the world, he's asking for clarification, what a hater!
I'm waiting and seeing, I'm not saying FXO is shit because they bought some good players. It's far from "hating", what a stupid fucking reaction.
That's incredibly ironic considering the first thing you do is act like this is some huge contradiction of what he said before.
Care to clarify or elaborate or are you going to continue posting one line responses?
Uhhh, it's perfect english and you're being a hypocrite. You aren't hating but this move caused you to like FXO less? Really? If you need more to explain that hypocrisy then that's on you. Then you talk about how he was talking about mercenaries and such and then you think this move is so interesting in light of that as if he was going against what he said.
I do think it contradicts what little he said on the mercenary system earlier and was asking for clarification on that, I clearly stated why I feel it contradicts his earlier statements, go back and re-read if you're confused by that.
I'm hating because I said that I am little put off by this decision and will be waiting to see before I move FXO around as far as teams I root for? Fuck me, I'm a total hater, anything that's a little off neutral and a smidgen off from super positive must be fucking hating.
And now you're just being defensive because your comments were completely irrational. Don't worry, you're a martyr, poor you getting grief because you said something stupid. cya.
You're cute.
I'm still waiting for an actual response, but this works too.
I gave you a proper response a few pages ago but you did not respond to it. Here read it!
Your telling a guy and a team which has assembled a group of foreigners who are not the dream team by any stretch of the imagination. Guys like tgun, just a regular SEA Masters player with a passion. Optikzero, ladder grinder who couldn't find proper practice partners. Slog whose enthusiasm and complete dedication is awe inspiring. Not guys like Nani or Select. They didn't buy up Kiwi when he was a free agent after the merger of Root and Col.
FXO provided these guys with a well structured team environment before the move to Korea. They also ran tourneys and KoTH for other foreigners (and Koreans).
They always got their whole team to MLGs.
Then they gave their players the opportunity to play and practice in the most conducive atmosphere to improve anywhere on the planet; Korea.
They built an ESPORTS mansion in Malaysia and are actively searching for Malaysian SC2 players to join and live in said mansion, in an attempt to grow SC2 in that country.
They take great care of their players, letting Sheth go back to the US, under an absolute storm of self-righteous anger from the community and have not once been anything but 100% supportive of him.
They fly Koreans out to MLG.
They pay salary to their players.
They saw an opportunity in Fou a team who was without any sort of big sponsorship, which had gone through some problems. They offered Fou the resources to become one of the best Korean teams and give FXO current roster a huge group of amazing training partners.
And there is a business side, which I already posted about, but for your forgetful self I will spoiler here:
- Hide Spoiler - Secondly, FXO's main objective is to introduce their brand to the Esports audience. Is there anyone who vaguely follows SC2 proscene that doesn't know about FXO now? Their KOTHs, mansion in KL, regular invitationals (<3 FXOPENIS), QXC/Sheth signings.....and to add to that the GSTL. The first ever foreigner team to compete in a Korean teamleague, an extremely ambitious and daring move one which will become part of Esports history, a mark in the development of non-Korean Esports. With the merger of FXO and fou, FXO can make a definitive mark in the Korean landscape.
FXO is now poised as a company that can act as a conduit through which western advertising dollars can flow into the Korean scene. FXO have proved themselves to some very big name sponsors in their professionalism and ability to put together an excellent product (the aforementioned KoTHs, Invitationals). They can now make great contacts within Korea and direct companies in successful partnerships. This is a bit of speculation on my part but I can see this pretty close to what is actually happening.
Suggesting FXO are somehow the Yankees of SC2 is presumptuous, uninformed and worthless blather.
Not once have I really questioned Boss's dedication to his team, or even to eSports. I simply stated that to me, a team that builds up players that are relative unknowns is more in-tune with what I like to get behind and was wondering if there was some more behind the scenes to this decision that would allow more insight into the situation. Something tells me that this was more of an investment in sustaining an on-the-ropes team as opposed to buying out an up-coming team, but based on what I know so far, Fou has been doing about as well as many other teams so not sure if that's the case.
I will retract the Yankees comparison, I still feel they're buying upwards but I'm not sure if that was the most apt analogy.
I am curious why you can't see a difference between a mercenary system and a merge under a single governing organization. They are two different terms after all. Everything from public and business relations to tournament organization, travel and accommodation logistics, internal communication and in-house player evaluation is much more streamlined.
Would you state that said difference does not exist?
I think you're misunderstanding, but perhaps I didn't adequately clarify. It's not that I don't see the difference between a team and a mercenary system, it's that I don't see the difference between this team and the mercenary system based on Boss's previous statements about the mercenary system. Is a team simply the name behind it, where the money comes from? Fou will still be managed by Choya, run the same way it is now, based on the information we have. Is Fox United any different from FXO as it stands now, in terms of the Fou/FXO relation, the players will have the same interaction within a few weeks.
Boss got tired of non-koreans not training with koreans and going to korea, so he thought he should bring the practice and the koreans themselves to the non-koreans.
On July 19 2011 06:04 AxionSteel wrote: If they were really comparable to the yankees or real madrid or something similar they'd have booted the likes of sheth, qxc, optikzero, SloG etc and offerred masses of money to lure MC, Mvp, NesTea, Bomber and NaDa into their team.
I don't know if that really works, SK is a little bit more comparable to the Yankees in that regard so I'll reassess that statement.
Just because they aren't buying the best, doesn't mean they aren't buying upwards. Regardless, Boss has invested more into his team(the original) than most owners in eSports can claim too, so none of my posts were really a shot at him in that regard.
I still stand by my statement in regards to Mercenaries and wondering why this situation is really different as of now, did he have a change of heart after interacting with Korean teams and realizing it only takes a few weeks to really be invested in a team that isn't your own? Or does he still think the mercenary system is stupid.
On July 19 2011 06:06 Klonere wrote:
On July 19 2011 06:00 Mordiford wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:59 Serpico wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:56 Mordiford wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:53 Serpico wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:52 Mordiford wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:51 Serpico wrote: [quote] That's incredibly ironic considering the first thing you do is act like this is some huge contradiction of what he said before.
Care to clarify or elaborate or are you going to continue posting one line responses?
Uhhh, it's perfect english and you're being a hypocrite. You aren't hating but this move caused you to like FXO less? Really? If you need more to explain that hypocrisy then that's on you. Then you talk about how he was talking about mercenaries and such and then you think this move is so interesting in light of that as if he was going against what he said.
I do think it contradicts what little he said on the mercenary system earlier and was asking for clarification on that, I clearly stated why I feel it contradicts his earlier statements, go back and re-read if you're confused by that.
I'm hating because I said that I am little put off by this decision and will be waiting to see before I move FXO around as far as teams I root for? Fuck me, I'm a total hater, anything that's a little off neutral and a smidgen off from super positive must be fucking hating.
And now you're just being defensive because your comments were completely irrational. Don't worry, you're a martyr, poor you getting grief because you said something stupid. cya.
You're cute.
I'm still waiting for an actual response, but this works too.
I gave you a proper response a few pages ago but you did not respond to it. Here read it!
Your telling a guy and a team which has assembled a group of foreigners who are not the dream team by any stretch of the imagination. Guys like tgun, just a regular SEA Masters player with a passion. Optikzero, ladder grinder who couldn't find proper practice partners. Slog whose enthusiasm and complete dedication is awe inspiring. Not guys like Nani or Select. They didn't buy up Kiwi when he was a free agent after the merger of Root and Col.
FXO provided these guys with a well structured team environment before the move to Korea. They also ran tourneys and KoTH for other foreigners (and Koreans).
They always got their whole team to MLGs.
Then they gave their players the opportunity to play and practice in the most conducive atmosphere to improve anywhere on the planet; Korea.
They built an ESPORTS mansion in Malaysia and are actively searching for Malaysian SC2 players to join and live in said mansion, in an attempt to grow SC2 in that country.
They take great care of their players, letting Sheth go back to the US, under an absolute storm of self-righteous anger from the community and have not once been anything but 100% supportive of him.
They fly Koreans out to MLG.
They pay salary to their players.
They saw an opportunity in Fou a team who was without any sort of big sponsorship, which had gone through some problems. They offered Fou the resources to become one of the best Korean teams and give FXO current roster a huge group of amazing training partners.
And there is a business side, which I already posted about, but for your forgetful self I will spoiler here:
- Hide Spoiler - Secondly, FXO's main objective is to introduce their brand to the Esports audience. Is there anyone who vaguely follows SC2 proscene that doesn't know about FXO now? Their KOTHs, mansion in KL, regular invitationals (<3 FXOPENIS), QXC/Sheth signings.....and to add to that the GSTL. The first ever foreigner team to compete in a Korean teamleague, an extremely ambitious and daring move one which will become part of Esports history, a mark in the development of non-Korean Esports. With the merger of FXO and fou, FXO can make a definitive mark in the Korean landscape.
FXO is now poised as a company that can act as a conduit through which western advertising dollars can flow into the Korean scene. FXO have proved themselves to some very big name sponsors in their professionalism and ability to put together an excellent product (the aforementioned KoTHs, Invitationals). They can now make great contacts within Korea and direct companies in successful partnerships. This is a bit of speculation on my part but I can see this pretty close to what is actually happening.
Suggesting FXO are somehow the Yankees of SC2 is presumptuous, uninformed and worthless blather.
Not once have I really questioned Boss's dedication to his team, or even to eSports. I simply stated that to me, a team that builds up players that are relative unknowns is more in-tune with what I like to get behind and was wondering if there was some more behind the scenes to this decision that would allow more insight into the situation. Something tells me that this was more of an investment in sustaining an on-the-ropes team as opposed to buying out an up-coming team, but based on what I know so far, Fou has been doing about as well as many other teams so not sure if that's the case.
I will retract the Yankees comparison, I still feel they're buying upwards but I'm not sure if that was the most apt analogy.
I am curious why you can't see a difference between a mercenary system and a merge under a single governing organization. They are two different terms after all. Everything from public and business relations to tournament organization, travel and accommodation logistics, internal communication and in-house player evaluation is much more streamlined.
Would you state that said difference does not exist?
I think you're misunderstanding, but perhaps I didn't adequately clarify. It's not that I don't see the difference between a team and a mercenary system, it's that I don't see the difference between this team and the mercenary system based on Boss's previous statements about the mercenary system. Is a team simply the name behind it, where the money comes from? Fou will still be managed by Choya, run the same way it is now, based on the information we have. Is Fox United any different from FXO as it stands now, in terms of the Fou/FXO relation, the players will have the same interaction within a few weeks.
Why are you only looking at the current short term point of view?
Mercenaries join a team for a short period of time, i'm pretty sure they don't want to divulge all their information to eachother as they do play eachother in other tournaments. FXO and fOu will probably be alot tighter in a couple of months than any kind of mercenary team will be. How hard is that to understand?
On July 19 2011 06:24 SixPackAbs wrote: What does this even have to do with the mercenaries thing? nobody is playing on anyone elses team, they merged, they are one. Its like saying drewbie and catz are mercs on col, since root and col merged.
Go boss, making some huge splashes in e-sports. I just wish we could buy some sweet FXO team shirts! WTF BRO :p
@dWd- qxc, Oz, Moonglade, all equally as good or better than Sheth. The rest show promise and have been improving the entire time they've been in Korea.
In regards to the mercenary thing, it's what Boss brought up as playing and living with one another, which is something that FXO has no more experienced with Fou than any of the foreign mercenaries will experience with WeMadeFox, at least from what I know so far. The foreign mercenaries will obviously train with and talk to the players and coach of WeMadeFox, just like FXO did with some Korean teams. Is it really that different simply because now you have an FXO in front of the Fou player's names? If there was more to his thoughts on the mercenary system that he didn't get to, then perhaps he still has reason to not like it, but based on what I know so far, it doesn't seem very different from the current situation.
Its not simply "adding the FXO tag in front of their name" They ARE the team now. Its like if the u.s and Mexico became USEXICO. They'd be one country. Our armies would be one, we wouldn't be mercing for Mexico. Former fOu guys will be living in the Malay house, some of the non-Korean guys will move into the Korean fxo team house. They are the first truly international team, with squads in three parts of the world. Not a group of players who merc for a foreing team becasue they have no team of their own over there. no matter where an FXO player goes, there will be a training house and team mates for him.
On July 19 2011 06:04 AxionSteel wrote: If they were really comparable to the yankees or real madrid or something similar they'd have booted the likes of sheth, qxc, optikzero, SloG etc and offerred masses of money to lure MC, Mvp, NesTea, Bomber and NaDa into their team.
I don't know if that really works, SK is a little bit more comparable to the Yankees in that regard so I'll reassess that statement.
Just because they aren't buying the best, doesn't mean they aren't buying upwards. Regardless, Boss has invested more into his team(the original) than most owners in eSports can claim too, so none of my posts were really a shot at him in that regard.
I still stand by my statement in regards to Mercenaries and wondering why this situation is really different as of now, did he have a change of heart after interacting with Korean teams and realizing it only takes a few weeks to really be invested in a team that isn't your own? Or does he still think the mercenary system is stupid.
On July 19 2011 06:06 Klonere wrote:
On July 19 2011 06:00 Mordiford wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:59 Serpico wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:56 Mordiford wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:53 Serpico wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:52 Mordiford wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:51 Serpico wrote: [quote] That's incredibly ironic considering the first thing you do is act like this is some huge contradiction of what he said before.
Care to clarify or elaborate or are you going to continue posting one line responses?
Uhhh, it's perfect english and you're being a hypocrite. You aren't hating but this move caused you to like FXO less? Really? If you need more to explain that hypocrisy then that's on you. Then you talk about how he was talking about mercenaries and such and then you think this move is so interesting in light of that as if he was going against what he said.
I do think it contradicts what little he said on the mercenary system earlier and was asking for clarification on that, I clearly stated why I feel it contradicts his earlier statements, go back and re-read if you're confused by that.
I'm hating because I said that I am little put off by this decision and will be waiting to see before I move FXO around as far as teams I root for? Fuck me, I'm a total hater, anything that's a little off neutral and a smidgen off from super positive must be fucking hating.
And now you're just being defensive because your comments were completely irrational. Don't worry, you're a martyr, poor you getting grief because you said something stupid. cya.
You're cute.
I'm still waiting for an actual response, but this works too.
I gave you a proper response a few pages ago but you did not respond to it. Here read it!
Your telling a guy and a team which has assembled a group of foreigners who are not the dream team by any stretch of the imagination. Guys like tgun, just a regular SEA Masters player with a passion. Optikzero, ladder grinder who couldn't find proper practice partners. Slog whose enthusiasm and complete dedication is awe inspiring. Not guys like Nani or Select. They didn't buy up Kiwi when he was a free agent after the merger of Root and Col.
FXO provided these guys with a well structured team environment before the move to Korea. They also ran tourneys and KoTH for other foreigners (and Koreans).
They always got their whole team to MLGs.
Then they gave their players the opportunity to play and practice in the most conducive atmosphere to improve anywhere on the planet; Korea.
They built an ESPORTS mansion in Malaysia and are actively searching for Malaysian SC2 players to join and live in said mansion, in an attempt to grow SC2 in that country.
They take great care of their players, letting Sheth go back to the US, under an absolute storm of self-righteous anger from the community and have not once been anything but 100% supportive of him.
They fly Koreans out to MLG.
They pay salary to their players.
They saw an opportunity in Fou a team who was without any sort of big sponsorship, which had gone through some problems. They offered Fou the resources to become one of the best Korean teams and give FXO current roster a huge group of amazing training partners.
And there is a business side, which I already posted about, but for your forgetful self I will spoiler here:
- Hide Spoiler - Secondly, FXO's main objective is to introduce their brand to the Esports audience. Is there anyone who vaguely follows SC2 proscene that doesn't know about FXO now? Their KOTHs, mansion in KL, regular invitationals (<3 FXOPENIS), QXC/Sheth signings.....and to add to that the GSTL. The first ever foreigner team to compete in a Korean teamleague, an extremely ambitious and daring move one which will become part of Esports history, a mark in the development of non-Korean Esports. With the merger of FXO and fou, FXO can make a definitive mark in the Korean landscape.
FXO is now poised as a company that can act as a conduit through which western advertising dollars can flow into the Korean scene. FXO have proved themselves to some very big name sponsors in their professionalism and ability to put together an excellent product (the aforementioned KoTHs, Invitationals). They can now make great contacts within Korea and direct companies in successful partnerships. This is a bit of speculation on my part but I can see this pretty close to what is actually happening.
Suggesting FXO are somehow the Yankees of SC2 is presumptuous, uninformed and worthless blather.
Not once have I really questioned Boss's dedication to his team, or even to eSports. I simply stated that to me, a team that builds up players that are relative unknowns is more in-tune with what I like to get behind and was wondering if there was some more behind the scenes to this decision that would allow more insight into the situation. Something tells me that this was more of an investment in sustaining an on-the-ropes team as opposed to buying out an up-coming team, but based on what I know so far, Fou has been doing about as well as many other teams so not sure if that's the case.
I will retract the Yankees comparison, I still feel they're buying upwards but I'm not sure if that was the most apt analogy.
I am curious why you can't see a difference between a mercenary system and a merge under a single governing organization. They are two different terms after all. Everything from public and business relations to tournament organization, travel and accommodation logistics, internal communication and in-house player evaluation is much more streamlined.
Would you state that said difference does not exist?
I think you're misunderstanding, but perhaps I didn't adequately clarify. It's not that I don't see the difference between a team and a mercenary system, it's that I don't see the difference between this team and the mercenary system based on Boss's previous statements about the mercenary system. Is a team simply the name behind it, where the money comes from? Fou will still be managed by Choya, run the same way it is now, based on the information we have. Is Fox United any different from FXO as it stands now, in terms of the Fou/FXO relation, the players will have the same interaction within a few weeks.
This would assume a "passive" stance on FXO overall governing practice. Like you described, a more patron-esque relationship. However the opposite is equally possible, as I have outlined on those varying levels. This streamlining in itself is likely to grant a much higher efficiency in both short- and long-term benefits. Your point does have its weak point in being unaware of future developments, leaving opinions on that matter speculation. Regarding detailed information about the interaction and cooperative projects, FXO Boss may be unwilling and/or unable to give further insight. So, the opposing guess would be FXO not being satisfied with merely financing former fOu but indeed having plans to maximize their ROI in the long run.
On July 19 2011 06:04 AxionSteel wrote: If they were really comparable to the yankees or real madrid or something similar they'd have booted the likes of sheth, qxc, optikzero, SloG etc and offerred masses of money to lure MC, Mvp, NesTea, Bomber and NaDa into their team.
I don't know if that really works, SK is a little bit more comparable to the Yankees in that regard so I'll reassess that statement.
Just because they aren't buying the best, doesn't mean they aren't buying upwards. Regardless, Boss has invested more into his team(the original) than most owners in eSports can claim too, so none of my posts were really a shot at him in that regard.
I still stand by my statement in regards to Mercenaries and wondering why this situation is really different as of now, did he have a change of heart after interacting with Korean teams and realizing it only takes a few weeks to really be invested in a team that isn't your own? Or does he still think the mercenary system is stupid.
On July 19 2011 06:06 Klonere wrote:
On July 19 2011 06:00 Mordiford wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:59 Serpico wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:56 Mordiford wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:53 Serpico wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:52 Mordiford wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:51 Serpico wrote: [quote] That's incredibly ironic considering the first thing you do is act like this is some huge contradiction of what he said before.
Care to clarify or elaborate or are you going to continue posting one line responses?
Uhhh, it's perfect english and you're being a hypocrite. You aren't hating but this move caused you to like FXO less? Really? If you need more to explain that hypocrisy then that's on you. Then you talk about how he was talking about mercenaries and such and then you think this move is so interesting in light of that as if he was going against what he said.
I do think it contradicts what little he said on the mercenary system earlier and was asking for clarification on that, I clearly stated why I feel it contradicts his earlier statements, go back and re-read if you're confused by that.
I'm hating because I said that I am little put off by this decision and will be waiting to see before I move FXO around as far as teams I root for? Fuck me, I'm a total hater, anything that's a little off neutral and a smidgen off from super positive must be fucking hating.
And now you're just being defensive because your comments were completely irrational. Don't worry, you're a martyr, poor you getting grief because you said something stupid. cya.
You're cute.
I'm still waiting for an actual response, but this works too.
I gave you a proper response a few pages ago but you did not respond to it. Here read it!
Your telling a guy and a team which has assembled a group of foreigners who are not the dream team by any stretch of the imagination. Guys like tgun, just a regular SEA Masters player with a passion. Optikzero, ladder grinder who couldn't find proper practice partners. Slog whose enthusiasm and complete dedication is awe inspiring. Not guys like Nani or Select. They didn't buy up Kiwi when he was a free agent after the merger of Root and Col.
FXO provided these guys with a well structured team environment before the move to Korea. They also ran tourneys and KoTH for other foreigners (and Koreans).
They always got their whole team to MLGs.
Then they gave their players the opportunity to play and practice in the most conducive atmosphere to improve anywhere on the planet; Korea.
They built an ESPORTS mansion in Malaysia and are actively searching for Malaysian SC2 players to join and live in said mansion, in an attempt to grow SC2 in that country.
They take great care of their players, letting Sheth go back to the US, under an absolute storm of self-righteous anger from the community and have not once been anything but 100% supportive of him.
They fly Koreans out to MLG.
They pay salary to their players.
They saw an opportunity in Fou a team who was without any sort of big sponsorship, which had gone through some problems. They offered Fou the resources to become one of the best Korean teams and give FXO current roster a huge group of amazing training partners.
And there is a business side, which I already posted about, but for your forgetful self I will spoiler here:
- Hide Spoiler - Secondly, FXO's main objective is to introduce their brand to the Esports audience. Is there anyone who vaguely follows SC2 proscene that doesn't know about FXO now? Their KOTHs, mansion in KL, regular invitationals (<3 FXOPENIS), QXC/Sheth signings.....and to add to that the GSTL. The first ever foreigner team to compete in a Korean teamleague, an extremely ambitious and daring move one which will become part of Esports history, a mark in the development of non-Korean Esports. With the merger of FXO and fou, FXO can make a definitive mark in the Korean landscape.
FXO is now poised as a company that can act as a conduit through which western advertising dollars can flow into the Korean scene. FXO have proved themselves to some very big name sponsors in their professionalism and ability to put together an excellent product (the aforementioned KoTHs, Invitationals). They can now make great contacts within Korea and direct companies in successful partnerships. This is a bit of speculation on my part but I can see this pretty close to what is actually happening.
Suggesting FXO are somehow the Yankees of SC2 is presumptuous, uninformed and worthless blather.
Not once have I really questioned Boss's dedication to his team, or even to eSports. I simply stated that to me, a team that builds up players that are relative unknowns is more in-tune with what I like to get behind and was wondering if there was some more behind the scenes to this decision that would allow more insight into the situation. Something tells me that this was more of an investment in sustaining an on-the-ropes team as opposed to buying out an up-coming team, but based on what I know so far, Fou has been doing about as well as many other teams so not sure if that's the case.
I will retract the Yankees comparison, I still feel they're buying upwards but I'm not sure if that was the most apt analogy.
I am curious why you can't see a difference between a mercenary system and a merge under a single governing organization. They are two different terms after all. Everything from public and business relations to tournament organization, travel and accommodation logistics, internal communication and in-house player evaluation is much more streamlined.
Would you state that said difference does not exist?
I think you're misunderstanding, but perhaps I didn't adequately clarify. It's not that I don't see the difference between a team and a mercenary system, it's that I don't see the difference between this team and the mercenary system based on Boss's previous statements about the mercenary system. Is a team simply the name behind it, where the money comes from? Fou will still be managed by Choya, run the same way it is now, based on the information we have. Is Fox United any different from FXO as it stands now, in terms of the Fou/FXO relation, the players will have the same interaction within a few weeks.
I think the biggest issue is what happens after the tournament is over. With F. United, once GSTL is over, it is pretty certain that all the foreign players are going to go back to their home countries, representing their old teams, and having limited interactions with the team they merced for.
With FXO/fOu, my understanding is that FXO isn't just paying fOu to win them a GSTL. Hopefully, once the season is finished, all of the FXO players will be living, training, and competing together, either in Korea or Malaysia. It's not a one shot deal, its for the long run.
I dont even get the reference to the mercenary system.....
I bought a team, i didnt rent a player.
Oh, and on another note, I govern what goes on on both teams. Choya manages the korean side (someone has to look after the house?) and unstable the foreign side.
As much as I like this move, I am a bit sad. "for Our Utopia" was such a nice name. Actually all of the Korean team have good names. "IncredibleMiracles" "TheScvLife" "oldGenerations" "StarTale"
the only foreign team I see on par there is "MeetYourMakers" ^^"
On July 19 2011 06:57 FXOpen wrote: I dont even get the reference to the mercenary system.....
I bought a team, i didnt rent a player.
Oh, and on another note, I govern what goes on on both teams. Choya manages the korean side (someone has to look after the house?) and unstable the foreign side.
edit: oooo 800 posts!
Grats.
I know it's a pipedream, but if he ever switches over to sc2...FXOFlash sounds pretty nice
EPT
