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On July 19 2011 05:56 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 05:53 Serpico wrote:On July 19 2011 05:52 Mordiford wrote:On July 19 2011 05:51 Serpico wrote:On July 19 2011 05:47 Mordiford wrote:On July 19 2011 05:42 AxionSteel wrote:On July 19 2011 05:02 Mordiford wrote:
Okay, we have another EG Master's Cup situation don't we?
So is Fou going to complete this season of the GSTL as Fou or as FXO, if Fou goes on and FXO doesn't, will Fou have access to the current FXO roster? Or are rosters locked for the current season? Sorry if this has been answered prior but it's not in the OP(other than the uniform change).
I'm not gonna lie, it really feels like FXO is the Yankees, I just can't get behind FXO this way. Sure they may start dominating team leagues with access to such a huge talented roster and all that, but all that we really see is a team buying players as other teams build them up, and then buying a whole roster of talented players. I'm most likely jumping the gun here, but for now FXO sort of dropped quite a bit on the "Teams I root for" scale. Sad for you. I personally like them even more  Better practice partners for the original FXO players, chance to see the likes of sC and Leenock at foreign lans, chance for some of the original FXO players to stay in Korea and practice in the fOu house, maybe some of the Korean players will come to Malaysia etc. Actual sponsors for the hardworking Choya and his fOu teammates, who deserve it. List goes on! Good move for FXO! Oh that's perfectly fine, and it's not sad for me at all. I happen to still like Sheth quite a bit and I've never doubted that FXOBoss has nothing but good intentions for his team and for eSports, I just find it surprising and to be honest, maybe even a little hypocritical that he made such a purchase after his comments on why the mercenary system was bad. Does adding a clan tag in front of a name make it any more personable? I didn't start liking Complexity simply because some of my favorite players added coL in front of their names, it took a bit to see how the team actually interacted and communicated. I've seen Boss talk to and about Choya very positively but not much in regards to the rest of Fou, which is why I'm a bit perplexed by this decision after his prior comments. On July 19 2011 05:46 Serpico wrote:On July 19 2011 05:42 Mordiford wrote:On July 19 2011 05:29 Serpico wrote:On July 19 2011 05:20 Mordiford wrote:On July 19 2011 05:13 FXOpen wrote:
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I had just written a huge reply to this. Not because of your post in particular, but because of a bunch of other naive posts before it. I then deleted my post, because I shouldn't expect sc2 viewers to understand business.. That is wrong of me.
As for GSTL, the season will be played out as is. With neither fOu or FXO making playoffs, there is little/noeffect.
In future GSTL's. The internal rankings will depend on whos on the team. As well as a few individual decisions.
I would expect to see some original FXO on the bench during the season. I'm assuming this is Boss, but not entirely sure. I don't really see how telling me I wouldn't understand gets you anywhere, wouldn't it be more worthwhile to at least attempt to make the post and then move along if I'm still ignorant to the "business" of it. I prefer to see teams pick up players with potential and build them up as opposed to falling into what to the outside, appears to be "If you can't beat them, buy them". This is part of why I don't like the Yankees, sure you can say it's good business and you'll gain fans with your success, the Yankees have plenty of them, but I simply won't be one of them with the current knowledge I have of the situation. Telling me I won't understand business won't do anything but insult my intelligence and put me off further, quite simply, it may be good business to simply buy whomever is talented but in my opinion, it doesn't make for good sport. Because you throw a hissy fit simply because a team was acquired and say stupid stuff like "omg I can't root for you as much now." It's completely childish. If you don't get it why this is simply a smart move to get more talent among other things than maybe the boss was right. It's far from a hissy fit, it's some simple questions to try and understand more about a team's acquisition. I said the same thing in regards to Complexity acquiring ROOT, I'll have to wait and see but as of now I'm a little put-off, particularly since I don't know the dynamic behind this acquisition. On July 19 2011 05:27 FXOpen wrote:On July 19 2011 05:20 Mordiford wrote:On July 19 2011 05:13 FXOpen wrote:
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I had just written a huge reply to this. Not because of your post in particular, but because of a bunch of other naive posts before it. I then deleted my post, because I shouldn't expect sc2 viewers to understand business.. That is wrong of me.
As for GSTL, the season will be played out as is. With neither fOu or FXO making playoffs, there is little/noeffect.
In future GSTL's. The internal rankings will depend on whos on the team. As well as a few individual decisions.
I would expect to see some original FXO on the bench during the season. I'm assuming this is Boss, but not entirely sure. I don't really see how telling me I wouldn't understand gets you anywhere, wouldn't it be more worthwhile to at least attempt to make the post and then move along if I'm still ignorant to the "business" of it. I prefer to see teams pick up players with potential and build them up as opposed to falling into what to the outside, appears to be "If you can't beat them, buy them". This is part of why I don't like the Yankees, sure you can say it's good business and you'll gain fans with your success, the Yankees have plenty of them, but I simply won't be one of them with the current knowledge I have of the situation. Telling me I won't understand business won't do anything but insult my intelligence and put me off further, quite simply, it may be good business to simply buy whomever is talented but in my opinion, it doesn't make for good sport. I already have a team of potential, and I acquired another team of potential.. What more do you want man? If I wanted to buy a team to be the yankees , I would have bought slayers.... Its pretty simple. Or better yet, I would have bought, naniwa, huk, mma, drg, nestea, losira, scfOu, and made a 'super team'... There is NOTHING in common between the yankees and FXO... At all.. You are just digging at something that doesn't exist. If you don't want to be a fan thats your choice. But I am kinda tired of being attacked for no reason for good decisions that are attempts at me to grow an industry. Honestly what have I done that has indicated that I am just going around buying publicity? This implies that those players would genuinely be up for purchase, but perhaps the Yankees are a bit of an extreme comparison. The situation seems similar though, sure it makes sense, what's better than one team with potential? Two teams with potential! But honestly Fou is more than a team with potential with the amount of talent they have in the GSL, it's undoubtedly buying upwards as opposed to buying sideways which is where I draw my comparison. It's especially a bit surprising since you spoke negatively about the mercenary system, saying that the players "Don't know how each other play, they don't know how each other live" and the players coming down will likely be spending around as much time with similar training interaction with the WeMadeFox team. So how is that any different from what just happened here other than, "Oh wait, they aren't mercenaries, look we bought them", do you know how they play or live now more than the foreign mercenaries would after 3-4 games of the GSTL? Have your thoughts on that system changed at all? And you still don't get it, wow man. Just really amazing. Whatever I guess, someone will ALWAYS be there to hate as hard as they can. Oh get the fuck over yourself. Oh no, he didn't say it was the greatest thing in the world, he's asking for clarification, what a hater!I'm waiting and seeing, I'm not saying FXO is shit because they bought some good players. It's far from "hating", what a stupid fucking reaction. That's incredibly ironic considering the first thing you do is act like this is some huge contradiction of what he said before. Care to clarify or elaborate or are you going to continue posting one line responses? Uhhh, it's perfect english and you're being a hypocrite. You aren't hating but this move caused you to like FXO less? Really? If you need more to explain that hypocrisy then that's on you. Then you talk about how he was talking about mercenaries and such and then you think this move is so interesting in light of that as if he was going against what he said. I do think it contradicts what little he said on the mercenary system earlier and was asking for clarification on that, I clearly stated why I feel it contradicts his earlier statements, go back and re-read if you're confused by that. I'm hating because I said that I am little put off by this decision and will be waiting to see before I move FXO around as far as teams I root for? Fuck me, I'm a total hater, anything that's a little off neutral and a smidgen off from super positive must be fucking hating.
And now you're just being defensive because your comments were completely irrational. Don't worry, you're a martyr, poor you getting grief because you said something stupid. cya.
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On July 19 2011 05:59 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 05:56 Mordiford wrote:On July 19 2011 05:53 Serpico wrote:On July 19 2011 05:52 Mordiford wrote:On July 19 2011 05:51 Serpico wrote:On July 19 2011 05:47 Mordiford wrote:On July 19 2011 05:42 AxionSteel wrote:On July 19 2011 05:02 Mordiford wrote:
Okay, we have another EG Master's Cup situation don't we?
So is Fou going to complete this season of the GSTL as Fou or as FXO, if Fou goes on and FXO doesn't, will Fou have access to the current FXO roster? Or are rosters locked for the current season? Sorry if this has been answered prior but it's not in the OP(other than the uniform change).
I'm not gonna lie, it really feels like FXO is the Yankees, I just can't get behind FXO this way. Sure they may start dominating team leagues with access to such a huge talented roster and all that, but all that we really see is a team buying players as other teams build them up, and then buying a whole roster of talented players. I'm most likely jumping the gun here, but for now FXO sort of dropped quite a bit on the "Teams I root for" scale. Sad for you. I personally like them even more Better practice partners for the original FXO players, chance to see the likes of sC and Leenock at foreign lans, chance for some of the original FXO players to stay in Korea and practice in the fOu house, maybe some of the Korean players will come to Malaysia etc. Actual sponsors for the hardworking Choya and his fOu teammates, who deserve it. List goes on! Good move for FXO! Oh that's perfectly fine, and it's not sad for me at all. I happen to still like Sheth quite a bit and I've never doubted that FXOBoss has nothing but good intentions for his team and for eSports, I just find it surprising and to be honest, maybe even a little hypocritical that he made such a purchase after his comments on why the mercenary system was bad. Does adding a clan tag in front of a name make it any more personable? I didn't start liking Complexity simply because some of my favorite players added coL in front of their names, it took a bit to see how the team actually interacted and communicated. I've seen Boss talk to and about Choya very positively but not much in regards to the rest of Fou, which is why I'm a bit perplexed by this decision after his prior comments. On July 19 2011 05:46 Serpico wrote:On July 19 2011 05:42 Mordiford wrote:On July 19 2011 05:29 Serpico wrote:On July 19 2011 05:20 Mordiford wrote:
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I'm assuming this is Boss, but not entirely sure.
I don't really see how telling me I wouldn't understand gets you anywhere, wouldn't it be more worthwhile to at least attempt to make the post and then move along if I'm still ignorant to the "business" of it. I prefer to see teams pick up players with potential and build them up as opposed to falling into what to the outside, appears to be "If you can't beat them, buy them". This is part of why I don't like the Yankees, sure you can say it's good business and you'll gain fans with your success, the Yankees have plenty of them, but I simply won't be one of them with the current knowledge I have of the situation.
Telling me I won't understand business won't do anything but insult my intelligence and put me off further, quite simply, it may be good business to simply buy whomever is talented but in my opinion, it doesn't make for good sport. Because you throw a hissy fit simply because a team was acquired and say stupid stuff like "omg I can't root for you as much now." It's completely childish. If you don't get it why this is simply a smart move to get more talent among other things than maybe the boss was right. It's far from a hissy fit, it's some simple questions to try and understand more about a team's acquisition. I said the same thing in regards to Complexity acquiring ROOT, I'll have to wait and see but as of now I'm a little put-off, particularly since I don't know the dynamic behind this acquisition. On July 19 2011 05:27 FXOpen wrote:On July 19 2011 05:20 Mordiford wrote:
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I'm assuming this is Boss, but not entirely sure.
I don't really see how telling me I wouldn't understand gets you anywhere, wouldn't it be more worthwhile to at least attempt to make the post and then move along if I'm still ignorant to the "business" of it. I prefer to see teams pick up players with potential and build them up as opposed to falling into what to the outside, appears to be "If you can't beat them, buy them". This is part of why I don't like the Yankees, sure you can say it's good business and you'll gain fans with your success, the Yankees have plenty of them, but I simply won't be one of them with the current knowledge I have of the situation.
Telling me I won't understand business won't do anything but insult my intelligence and put me off further, quite simply, it may be good business to simply buy whomever is talented but in my opinion, it doesn't make for good sport. I already have a team of potential, and I acquired another team of potential.. What more do you want man? If I wanted to buy a team to be the yankees , I would have bought slayers.... Its pretty simple. Or better yet, I would have bought, naniwa, huk, mma, drg, nestea, losira, scfOu, and made a 'super team'... There is NOTHING in common between the yankees and FXO... At all.. You are just digging at something that doesn't exist. If you don't want to be a fan thats your choice. But I am kinda tired of being attacked for no reason for good decisions that are attempts at me to grow an industry. Honestly what have I done that has indicated that I am just going around buying publicity? This implies that those players would genuinely be up for purchase, but perhaps the Yankees are a bit of an extreme comparison. The situation seems similar though, sure it makes sense, what's better than one team with potential? Two teams with potential! But honestly Fou is more than a team with potential with the amount of talent they have in the GSL, it's undoubtedly buying upwards as opposed to buying sideways which is where I draw my comparison. It's especially a bit surprising since you spoke negatively about the mercenary system, saying that the players "Don't know how each other play, they don't know how each other live" and the players coming down will likely be spending around as much time with similar training interaction with the WeMadeFox team. So how is that any different from what just happened here other than, "Oh wait, they aren't mercenaries, look we bought them", do you know how they play or live now more than the foreign mercenaries would after 3-4 games of the GSTL? Have your thoughts on that system changed at all? And you still don't get it, wow man. Just really amazing. Whatever I guess, someone will ALWAYS be there to hate as hard as they can. Oh get the fuck over yourself. Oh no, he didn't say it was the greatest thing in the world, he's asking for clarification, what a hater!I'm waiting and seeing, I'm not saying FXO is shit because they bought some good players. It's far from "hating", what a stupid fucking reaction. That's incredibly ironic considering the first thing you do is act like this is some huge contradiction of what he said before. Care to clarify or elaborate or are you going to continue posting one line responses? Uhhh, it's perfect english and you're being a hypocrite. You aren't hating but this move caused you to like FXO less? Really? If you need more to explain that hypocrisy then that's on you. Then you talk about how he was talking about mercenaries and such and then you think this move is so interesting in light of that as if he was going against what he said. I do think it contradicts what little he said on the mercenary system earlier and was asking for clarification on that, I clearly stated why I feel it contradicts his earlier statements, go back and re-read if you're confused by that. I'm hating because I said that I am little put off by this decision and will be waiting to see before I move FXO around as far as teams I root for? Fuck me, I'm a total hater, anything that's a little off neutral and a smidgen off from super positive must be fucking hating. And now you're just being defensive because your comments were completely irrational. Don't worry, you're a martyr, poor you getting grief because you said something stupid. cya.
You're cute.
I'm still waiting for an actual response, but this works too.
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I think it's pretty awesome that some business dudes have this much interest in esports and are willing to spend money to make cool things happen. I also think fOu is a pretty appropriate choice and not at all yankees-ish. Good stuff, FXO
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If they were really comparable to the yankees or real madrid or something similar they'd have booted the likes of sheth, qxc, optikzero, SloG etc and offerred masses of money to lure MC, Mvp, NesTea, Bomber and NaDa into their team.
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On July 19 2011 06:00 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 05:59 Serpico wrote:On July 19 2011 05:56 Mordiford wrote:On July 19 2011 05:53 Serpico wrote:On July 19 2011 05:52 Mordiford wrote:On July 19 2011 05:51 Serpico wrote:On July 19 2011 05:47 Mordiford wrote:On July 19 2011 05:42 AxionSteel wrote:On July 19 2011 05:02 Mordiford wrote:
Okay, we have another EG Master's Cup situation don't we?
So is Fou going to complete this season of the GSTL as Fou or as FXO, if Fou goes on and FXO doesn't, will Fou have access to the current FXO roster? Or are rosters locked for the current season? Sorry if this has been answered prior but it's not in the OP(other than the uniform change).
I'm not gonna lie, it really feels like FXO is the Yankees, I just can't get behind FXO this way. Sure they may start dominating team leagues with access to such a huge talented roster and all that, but all that we really see is a team buying players as other teams build them up, and then buying a whole roster of talented players. I'm most likely jumping the gun here, but for now FXO sort of dropped quite a bit on the "Teams I root for" scale. Sad for you. I personally like them even more Better practice partners for the original FXO players, chance to see the likes of sC and Leenock at foreign lans, chance for some of the original FXO players to stay in Korea and practice in the fOu house, maybe some of the Korean players will come to Malaysia etc. Actual sponsors for the hardworking Choya and his fOu teammates, who deserve it. List goes on! Good move for FXO! Oh that's perfectly fine, and it's not sad for me at all. I happen to still like Sheth quite a bit and I've never doubted that FXOBoss has nothing but good intentions for his team and for eSports, I just find it surprising and to be honest, maybe even a little hypocritical that he made such a purchase after his comments on why the mercenary system was bad. Does adding a clan tag in front of a name make it any more personable? I didn't start liking Complexity simply because some of my favorite players added coL in front of their names, it took a bit to see how the team actually interacted and communicated. I've seen Boss talk to and about Choya very positively but not much in regards to the rest of Fou, which is why I'm a bit perplexed by this decision after his prior comments. On July 19 2011 05:46 Serpico wrote:On July 19 2011 05:42 Mordiford wrote:On July 19 2011 05:29 Serpico wrote:
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Because you throw a hissy fit simply because a team was acquired and say stupid stuff like "omg I can't root for you as much now." It's completely childish. If you don't get it why this is simply a smart move to get more talent among other things than maybe the boss was right. It's far from a hissy fit, it's some simple questions to try and understand more about a team's acquisition. I said the same thing in regards to Complexity acquiring ROOT, I'll have to wait and see but as of now I'm a little put-off, particularly since I don't know the dynamic behind this acquisition. On July 19 2011 05:27 FXOpen wrote:
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I already have a team of potential, and I acquired another team of potential.. What more do you want man? If I wanted to buy a team to be the yankees , I would have bought slayers.... Its pretty simple.
Or better yet, I would have bought, naniwa, huk, mma, drg, nestea, losira, scfOu, and made a 'super team'... There is NOTHING in common between the yankees and FXO... At all..
You are just digging at something that doesn't exist. If you don't want to be a fan thats your choice. But I am kinda tired of being attacked for no reason for good decisions that are attempts at me to grow an industry. Honestly what have I done that has indicated that I am just going around buying publicity?
This implies that those players would genuinely be up for purchase, but perhaps the Yankees are a bit of an extreme comparison. The situation seems similar though, sure it makes sense, what's better than one team with potential? Two teams with potential! But honestly Fou is more than a team with potential with the amount of talent they have in the GSL, it's undoubtedly buying upwards as opposed to buying sideways which is where I draw my comparison. It's especially a bit surprising since you spoke negatively about the mercenary system, saying that the players "Don't know how each other play, they don't know how each other live" and the players coming down will likely be spending around as much time with similar training interaction with the WeMadeFox team. So how is that any different from what just happened here other than, "Oh wait, they aren't mercenaries, look we bought them", do you know how they play or live now more than the foreign mercenaries would after 3-4 games of the GSTL? Have your thoughts on that system changed at all? And you still don't get it, wow man. Just really amazing. Whatever I guess, someone will ALWAYS be there to hate as hard as they can. Oh get the fuck over yourself. Oh no, he didn't say it was the greatest thing in the world, he's asking for clarification, what a hater!I'm waiting and seeing, I'm not saying FXO is shit because they bought some good players. It's far from "hating", what a stupid fucking reaction. That's incredibly ironic considering the first thing you do is act like this is some huge contradiction of what he said before. Care to clarify or elaborate or are you going to continue posting one line responses? Uhhh, it's perfect english and you're being a hypocrite. You aren't hating but this move caused you to like FXO less? Really? If you need more to explain that hypocrisy then that's on you. Then you talk about how he was talking about mercenaries and such and then you think this move is so interesting in light of that as if he was going against what he said. I do think it contradicts what little he said on the mercenary system earlier and was asking for clarification on that, I clearly stated why I feel it contradicts his earlier statements, go back and re-read if you're confused by that. I'm hating because I said that I am little put off by this decision and will be waiting to see before I move FXO around as far as teams I root for? Fuck me, I'm a total hater, anything that's a little off neutral and a smidgen off from super positive must be fucking hating. And now you're just being defensive because your comments were completely irrational. Don't worry, you're a martyr, poor you getting grief because you said something stupid. cya. You're cute. I'm still waiting for an actual response, but this works too.
I gave you a proper response a few pages ago but you did not respond to it. Here read it!
+ Show Spoiler + So.
Ok.
Your telling a guy and a team which has assembled a group of foreigners who are not the dream team by any stretch of the imagination. Guys like tgun, just a regular SEA Masters player with a passion. Optikzero, ladder grinder who couldn't find proper practice partners. Slog whose enthusiasm and complete dedication is awe inspiring. Not guys like Nani or Select. They didn't buy up Kiwi when he was a free agent after the merger of Root and Col.
FXO provided these guys with a well structured team environment before the move to Korea. They also ran tourneys and KoTH for other foreigners (and Koreans).
They always got their whole team to MLGs.
Then they gave their players the opportunity to play and practice in the most conducive atmosphere to improve anywhere on the planet; Korea.
They built an ESPORTS mansion in Malaysia and are actively searching for Malaysian SC2 players to join and live in said mansion, in an attempt to grow SC2 in that country.
They take great care of their players, letting Sheth go back to the US, under an absolute storm of self-righteous anger from the community and have not once been anything but 100% supportive of him.
They fly Koreans out to MLG.
They pay salary to their players.
They saw an opportunity in Fou a team who was without any sort of big sponsorship, which had gone through some problems. They offered Fou the resources to become one of the best Korean teams and give FXO current roster a huge group of amazing training partners.
And there is a business side, which I already posted about, but for your forgetful self I will spoiler here:
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Secondly, FXO's main objective is to introduce their brand to the Esports audience. Is there anyone who vaguely follows SC2 proscene that doesn't know about FXO now? Their KOTHs, mansion in KL, regular invitationals (<3 FXOPENIS), QXC/Sheth signings.....and to add to that the GSTL. The first ever foreigner team to compete in a Korean teamleague, an extremely ambitious and daring move one which will become part of Esports history, a mark in the development of non-Korean Esports. With the merger of FXO and fou, FXO can make a definitive mark in the Korean landscape.
FXO is now poised as a company that can act as a conduit through which western advertising dollars can flow into the Korean scene. FXO have proved themselves to some very big name sponsors in their professionalism and ability to put together an excellent product (the aforementioned KoTHs, Invitationals). They can now make great contacts within Korea and direct companies in successful partnerships. This is a bit of speculation on my part but I can see this pretty close to what is actually happening.
Suggesting FXO are somehow the Yankees of SC2 is presumptuous, uninformed and worthless blather.
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wow.. one of the top 3 terrans in the world.. sC is now on FXO
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That's pretty cool, gl to fxo
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On July 19 2011 06:04 AxionSteel wrote:
If they were really comparable to the yankees or real madrid or something similar they'd have booted the likes of sheth, qxc, optikzero, SloG etc and offerred masses of money to lure MC, Mvp, NesTea, Bomber and NaDa into their team.
I don't know if that really works, SK is a little bit more comparable to the Yankees in that regard so I'll reassess that statement.
Just because they aren't buying the best, doesn't mean they aren't buying upwards. Regardless, Boss has invested more into his team(the original) than most owners in eSports can claim too, so none of my posts were really a shot at him in that regard.
I still stand by my statement in regards to Mercenaries and wondering why this situation is really different as of now, did he have a change of heart after interacting with Korean teams and realizing it only takes a few weeks to really be invested in a team that isn't your own? Or does he still think the mercenary system is stupid.
On July 19 2011 06:06 Klonere wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 06:00 Mordiford wrote:On July 19 2011 05:59 Serpico wrote:On July 19 2011 05:56 Mordiford wrote:On July 19 2011 05:53 Serpico wrote:On July 19 2011 05:52 Mordiford wrote:On July 19 2011 05:51 Serpico wrote:On July 19 2011 05:47 Mordiford wrote:On July 19 2011 05:42 AxionSteel wrote:On July 19 2011 05:02 Mordiford wrote:
Okay, we have another EG Master's Cup situation don't we?
So is Fou going to complete this season of the GSTL as Fou or as FXO, if Fou goes on and FXO doesn't, will Fou have access to the current FXO roster? Or are rosters locked for the current season? Sorry if this has been answered prior but it's not in the OP(other than the uniform change).
I'm not gonna lie, it really feels like FXO is the Yankees, I just can't get behind FXO this way. Sure they may start dominating team leagues with access to such a huge talented roster and all that, but all that we really see is a team buying players as other teams build them up, and then buying a whole roster of talented players. I'm most likely jumping the gun here, but for now FXO sort of dropped quite a bit on the "Teams I root for" scale. Sad for you. I personally like them even more Better practice partners for the original FXO players, chance to see the likes of sC and Leenock at foreign lans, chance for some of the original FXO players to stay in Korea and practice in the fOu house, maybe some of the Korean players will come to Malaysia etc. Actual sponsors for the hardworking Choya and his fOu teammates, who deserve it. List goes on! Good move for FXO! Oh that's perfectly fine, and it's not sad for me at all. I happen to still like Sheth quite a bit and I've never doubted that FXOBoss has nothing but good intentions for his team and for eSports, I just find it surprising and to be honest, maybe even a little hypocritical that he made such a purchase after his comments on why the mercenary system was bad. Does adding a clan tag in front of a name make it any more personable? I didn't start liking Complexity simply because some of my favorite players added coL in front of their names, it took a bit to see how the team actually interacted and communicated. I've seen Boss talk to and about Choya very positively but not much in regards to the rest of Fou, which is why I'm a bit perplexed by this decision after his prior comments. On July 19 2011 05:46 Serpico wrote:On July 19 2011 05:42 Mordiford wrote:
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It's far from a hissy fit, it's some simple questions to try and understand more about a team's acquisition. I said the same thing in regards to Complexity acquiring ROOT, I'll have to wait and see but as of now I'm a little put-off, particularly since I don't know the dynamic behind this acquisition.
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This implies that those players would genuinely be up for purchase, but perhaps the Yankees are a bit of an extreme comparison. The situation seems similar though, sure it makes sense, what's better than one team with potential? Two teams with potential! But honestly Fou is more than a team with potential with the amount of talent they have in the GSL, it's undoubtedly buying upwards as opposed to buying sideways which is where I draw my comparison.
It's especially a bit surprising since you spoke negatively about the mercenary system, saying that the players "Don't know how each other play, they don't know how each other live" and the players coming down will likely be spending around as much time with similar training interaction with the WeMadeFox team. So how is that any different from what just happened here other than, "Oh wait, they aren't mercenaries, look we bought them", do you know how they play or live now more than the foreign mercenaries would after 3-4 games of the GSTL? Have your thoughts on that system changed at all?
And you still don't get it, wow man. Just really amazing. Whatever I guess, someone will ALWAYS be there to hate as hard as they can. Oh get the fuck over yourself. Oh no, he didn't say it was the greatest thing in the world, he's asking for clarification, what a hater!I'm waiting and seeing, I'm not saying FXO is shit because they bought some good players. It's far from "hating", what a stupid fucking reaction. That's incredibly ironic considering the first thing you do is act like this is some huge contradiction of what he said before. Care to clarify or elaborate or are you going to continue posting one line responses? Uhhh, it's perfect english and you're being a hypocrite. You aren't hating but this move caused you to like FXO less? Really? If you need more to explain that hypocrisy then that's on you. Then you talk about how he was talking about mercenaries and such and then you think this move is so interesting in light of that as if he was going against what he said. I do think it contradicts what little he said on the mercenary system earlier and was asking for clarification on that, I clearly stated why I feel it contradicts his earlier statements, go back and re-read if you're confused by that. I'm hating because I said that I am little put off by this decision and will be waiting to see before I move FXO around as far as teams I root for? Fuck me, I'm a total hater, anything that's a little off neutral and a smidgen off from super positive must be fucking hating. And now you're just being defensive because your comments were completely irrational. Don't worry, you're a martyr, poor you getting grief because you said something stupid. cya. You're cute. I'm still waiting for an actual response, but this works too. I gave you a proper response a few pages ago but you did not respond to it. Here read it! + Show Spoiler + So.
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Your telling a guy and a team which has assembled a group of foreigners who are not the dream team by any stretch of the imagination. Guys like tgun, just a regular SEA Masters player with a passion. Optikzero, ladder grinder who couldn't find proper practice partners. Slog whose enthusiasm and complete dedication is awe inspiring. Not guys like Nani or Select. They didn't buy up Kiwi when he was a free agent after the merger of Root and Col.
FXO provided these guys with a well structured team environment before the move to Korea. They also ran tourneys and KoTH for other foreigners (and Koreans).
They always got their whole team to MLGs.
Then they gave their players the opportunity to play and practice in the most conducive atmosphere to improve anywhere on the planet; Korea.
They built an ESPORTS mansion in Malaysia and are actively searching for Malaysian SC2 players to join and live in said mansion, in an attempt to grow SC2 in that country.
They take great care of their players, letting Sheth go back to the US, under an absolute storm of self-righteous anger from the community and have not once been anything but 100% supportive of him.
They fly Koreans out to MLG.
They pay salary to their players.
They saw an opportunity in Fou a team who was without any sort of big sponsorship, which had gone through some problems. They offered Fou the resources to become one of the best Korean teams and give FXO current roster a huge group of amazing training partners.
And there is a business side, which I already posted about, but for your forgetful self I will spoiler here:
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Secondly, FXO's main objective is to introduce their brand to the Esports audience. Is there anyone who vaguely follows SC2 proscene that doesn't know about FXO now? Their KOTHs, mansion in KL, regular invitationals (<3 FXOPENIS), QXC/Sheth signings.....and to add to that the GSTL. The first ever foreigner team to compete in a Korean teamleague, an extremely ambitious and daring move one which will become part of Esports history, a mark in the development of non-Korean Esports. With the merger of FXO and fou, FXO can make a definitive mark in the Korean landscape.
FXO is now poised as a company that can act as a conduit through which western advertising dollars can flow into the Korean scene. FXO have proved themselves to some very big name sponsors in their professionalism and ability to put together an excellent product (the aforementioned KoTHs, Invitationals). They can now make great contacts within Korea and direct companies in successful partnerships. This is a bit of speculation on my part but I can see this pretty close to what is actually happening.
Suggesting FXO are somehow the Yankees of SC2 is presumptuous, uninformed and worthless blather.
Not once have I really questioned Boss's dedication to his team, or even to eSports. I simply stated that to me, a team that builds up players that are relative unknowns is more in-tune with what I like to get behind and was wondering if there was some more behind the scenes to this decision that would allow more insight into the situation. Something tells me that this was more of an investment in sustaining an on-the-ropes team as opposed to buying out an up-coming team, but based on what I know so far, Fou has been doing about as well as many other teams so not sure if that's the case.
I will retract the Yankees comparison, I still feel they're buying upwards but I'm not sure if that was the most apt analogy.
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On July 19 2011 05:41 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 05:32 sinii wrote:On July 19 2011 05:27 FXOpen wrote:On July 19 2011 05:20 Mordiford wrote:On July 19 2011 05:13 FXOpen wrote:On July 19 2011 05:02 Mordiford wrote:
Okay, we have another EG Master's Cup situation don't we?
So is Fou going to complete this season of the GSTL as Fou or as FXO, if Fou goes on and FXO doesn't, will Fou have access to the current FXO roster? Or are rosters locked for the current season? Sorry if this has been answered prior but it's not in the OP(other than the uniform change).
I'm not gonna lie, it really feels like FXO is the Yankees, I just can't get behind FXO this way. Sure they may start dominating team leagues with access to such a huge talented roster and all that, but all that we really see is a team buying players as other teams build them up, and then buying a whole roster of talented players. I'm most likely jumping the gun here, but for now FXO sort of dropped quite a bit on the "Teams I root for" scale. I had just written a huge reply to this. Not because of your post in particular, but because of a bunch of other naive posts before it. I then deleted my post, because I shouldn't expect sc2 viewers to understand business.. That is wrong of me. As for GSTL, the season will be played out as is. With neither fOu or FXO making playoffs, there is little/noeffect. In future GSTL's. The internal rankings will depend on whos on the team. As well as a few individual decisions. I would expect to see some original FXO on the bench during the season. I'm assuming this is Boss, but not entirely sure. I don't really see how telling me I wouldn't understand gets you anywhere, wouldn't it be more worthwhile to at least attempt to make the post and then move along if I'm still ignorant to the "business" of it. I prefer to see teams pick up players with potential and build them up as opposed to falling into what to the outside, appears to be "If you can't beat them, buy them". This is part of why I don't like the Yankees, sure you can say it's good business and you'll gain fans with your success, the Yankees have plenty of them, but I simply won't be one of them with the current knowledge I have of the situation. Telling me I won't understand business won't do anything but insult my intelligence and put me off further, quite simply, it may be good business to simply buy whomever is talented but in my opinion, it doesn't make for good sport. I already have a team of potential, and I acquired another team of potential.. What more do you want man? If I wanted to buy a team to be the yankees , I would have bought slayers.... Its pretty simple. Or better yet, I would have bought, naniwa, huk, mma, drg, nestea, losira, scfOu, and made a 'super team'... There is NOTHING in common between the yankees and FXO... At all.. You are just digging at something that doesn't exist. If you don't want to be a fan thats your choice. But I am kinda tired of being attacked for no reason for good decisions that are attempts at me to grow an industry. Honestly what have I done that has indicated that I am just going around buying publicity? I would urge you not to take note of the vocal minority. Anyone with half a brain knows what FXO is doing is fantastic. All the best, myself and many many many many fans all over the world will be cheering on FXO in future events! I'll second this.
QFT. This is great news both for fOu and the original FXO team. Win-win. Sponsorship and valuable kr progamer experience/training on an international stage (soon i hope).
FXO Hwaiting.
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gonna be weird seeing one of my fav players sCfOu have the name FXOsC....but this is great news for both parties involved.
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On July 19 2011 05:39 coL.drewbie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 05:38 DwD wrote:
I'm starting to dislike FXO more and more but maybe it's just me.. Feels like they wanna do all of these cool things which I guess are good but I think they are the wrong team to do it.
They got like 1 good player >< And he isn't even participating in the korean events. who is their 1 good player? lol is it sheth/qxc/moonglade/moonan ? they are all scary good players and you are ignorant if you dont think so
It's Sheth. The other players can barely win 1 game in GSTL. They get almost all killed everytime dude. And if they are so good why aren't they participating in MLG/Dreamhack? They surely got the funds to get sent over to play but they never come.. Or maybe they did just never got far enough for me to notice.
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This is just really great news! Gotta love FXO !!
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On July 19 2011 06:13 DwD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 05:39 coL.drewbie wrote:On July 19 2011 05:38 DwD wrote:
I'm starting to dislike FXO more and more but maybe it's just me.. Feels like they wanna do all of these cool things which I guess are good but I think they are the wrong team to do it.
They got like 1 good player >< And he isn't even participating in the korean events. who is their 1 good player? lol is it sheth/qxc/moonglade/moonan ? they are all scary good players and you are ignorant if you dont think so It's Sheth. The other players can barely win 1 game in GSTL. They get almost all killed everytime dude. And if they are so good why aren't they participating in MLG/Dreamhack? They surely got the funds to get sent over to play but they never come.. Or maybe they did just never got far enough for me to notice.
They regularly participate in MLG and QXC and Moonan are both pretty decent players, haven't seen enough of Moonglade to comment.
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FXO LEENOCK FIGHTING!!!!! haha this is freakin un-heardofly awesome, great idea FXO!
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On July 19 2011 05:20 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 05:13 FXOpen wrote:On July 19 2011 05:02 Mordiford wrote:
Okay, we have another EG Master's Cup situation don't we?
So is Fou going to complete this season of the GSTL as Fou or as FXO, if Fou goes on and FXO doesn't, will Fou have access to the current FXO roster? Or are rosters locked for the current season? Sorry if this has been answered prior but it's not in the OP(other than the uniform change).
I'm not gonna lie, it really feels like FXO is the Yankees, I just can't get behind FXO this way. Sure they may start dominating team leagues with access to such a huge talented roster and all that, but all that we really see is a team buying players as other teams build them up, and then buying a whole roster of talented players. I'm most likely jumping the gun here, but for now FXO sort of dropped quite a bit on the "Teams I root for" scale. I had just written a huge reply to this. Not because of your post in particular, but because of a bunch of other naive posts before it. I then deleted my post, because I shouldn't expect sc2 viewers to understand business.. That is wrong of me. As for GSTL, the season will be played out as is. With neither fOu or FXO making playoffs, there is little/noeffect. In future GSTL's. The internal rankings will depend on whos on the team. As well as a few individual decisions. I would expect to see some original FXO on the bench during the season. I'm assuming this is Boss, but not entirely sure. I don't really see how telling me I wouldn't understand gets you anywhere, wouldn't it be more worthwhile to at least attempt to make the post and then move along if I'm still ignorant to the "business" of it. I prefer to see teams pick up players with potential and build them up as opposed to falling into what to the outside, appears to be "If you can't beat them, buy them". This is part of why I don't like the Yankees, sure you can say it's good business and you'll gain fans with your success, the Yankees have plenty of them, but I simply won't be one of them with the current knowledge I have of the situation. Telling me I won't understand business won't do anything but insult my intelligence and put me off further, quite simply, it may be good business to simply buy whomever is talented but in my opinion, it doesn't make for good sport.
Well said man. I would agree but as SC2 is such as new game still, the clans and teams in SC2 have not yet settled to the point where you have it like in Broodwar where the top teams are all set. Teams will get merged and disbanded and continue to do so. I believe E-Sports has to do this for it to grow even more.
Business will always be a part of things because, quite simply, money is really what runs the world. As a fan I can see where you are coming from saying that Oh FXO is like the Yankees, just buying players, but at the end of the day, what really matters? Winning and making money and if you can do that, nothing else really matters.
I respect your views on not being a fan of how FXO will achieve their goals but at the end of the day, it is what it is, if FXO wins, they will naturally get more fans.
As for the comment made that the person who might be Boss. Perhaps he acted out of a bit of anger there but I can't blame him, when you have people like me sharing views that conflict with his own, its hard not to have some anger. I am sure he knows what he is doing, he is approaching this purely as a business and that is his job, it might not always be pretty but hard decisions have to be made, its not his fault he is doing his job. Acquiring a team who is willingly joining FXO and taking on the FXO tag meas they also comply with what FXO is offering, which means there is no problem in this transaction as a business point of view.
To each his own right? Everyone will have their own views, there is no right or wrong here haha. Somehow things start to get aggressive when everyone is simply stating their own points of views even if they happen to be stupid or naive, it does not matter. I really do think what the community lacks at times is a bit of respect for each other, just respect what the other part says and be on with it, no use bickering and arguing trying to change someone else's opinions, going to be one long thread with ragingnerds for no real reason xD.
I think i may have steered wide of the topic, its 5am over here... I'll just leave it at that.
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holy news Batman, FXO taking over! gz!!
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What does this even have to do with the mercenaries thing? nobody is playing on anyone elses team, they merged, they are one. Its like saying drewbie and catz are mercs on col, since root and col merged.
Go boss, making some huge splashes in e-sports. I just wish we could buy some sweet FXO team shirts! WTF BRO :p
@dWd- qxc, Oz, Moonglade, all equally as good or better than Sheth. The rest show promise and have been improving the entire time they've been in Korea.
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dang FXOBosS is pretty awesome
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On July 19 2011 06:24 SixPackAbs wrote:
What does this even have to do with the mercenaries thing? nobody is playing on anyone elses team, they merged, they are one. Its like saying drewbie and catz are mercs on col, since root and col merged.
Go boss, making some huge splashes in e-sports. I just wish we could buy some sweet FXO team shirts! WTF BRO :p
@dWd- qxc, Oz, Moonglade, all equally as good or better than Sheth. The rest show promise and have been improving the entire time they've been in Korea.
In regards to the mercenary thing, it's what Boss brought up as playing and living with one another, which is something that FXO has no more experienced with Fou than any of the foreign mercenaries will experience with WeMadeFox, at least from what I know so far. The foreign mercenaries will obviously train with and talk to the players and coach of WeMadeFox, just like FXO did with some Korean teams. Is it really that different simply because now you have an FXO in front of the Fou player's names? If there was more to his thoughts on the mercenary system that he didn't get to, then perhaps he still has reason to not like it, but based on what I know so far, it doesn't seem very different from the current situation.
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