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Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 20:31:28
July 18 2011 20:29 GMT
#801
On July 19 2011 05:20 Mordiford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2011 05:13 FXOpen wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:02 Mordiford wrote:
Okay, we have another EG Master's Cup situation don't we?

So is Fou going to complete this season of the GSTL as Fou or as FXO, if Fou goes on and FXO doesn't, will Fou have access to the current FXO roster? Or are rosters locked for the current season? Sorry if this has been answered prior but it's not in the OP(other than the uniform change).

I'm not gonna lie, it really feels like FXO is the Yankees, I just can't get behind FXO this way. Sure they may start dominating team leagues with access to such a huge talented roster and all that, but all that we really see is a team buying players as other teams build them up, and then buying a whole roster of talented players. I'm most likely jumping the gun here, but for now FXO sort of dropped quite a bit on the "Teams I root for" scale.


I had just written a huge reply to this. Not because of your post in particular, but because of a bunch of other naive posts before it. I then deleted my post, because I shouldn't expect sc2 viewers to understand business.. That is wrong of me.

As for GSTL, the season will be played out as is. With neither fOu or FXO making playoffs, there is little/noeffect.

In future GSTL's. The internal rankings will depend on whos on the team. As well as a few individual decisions.

I would expect to see some original FXO on the bench during the season.


I'm assuming this is Boss, but not entirely sure.

I don't really see how telling me I wouldn't understand gets you anywhere, wouldn't it be more worthwhile to at least attempt to make the post and then move along if I'm still ignorant to the "business" of it. I prefer to see teams pick up players with potential and build them up as opposed to falling into what to the outside, appears to be "If you can't beat them, buy them". This is part of why I don't like the Yankees, sure you can say it's good business and you'll gain fans with your success, the Yankees have plenty of them, but I simply won't be one of them with the current knowledge I have of the situation.

Telling me I won't understand business won't do anything but insult my intelligence and put me off further, quite simply, it may be good business to simply buy whomever is talented but in my opinion, it doesn't make for good sport.

Because you throw a hissy fit simply because a team was acquired and say stupid stuff like "omg I can't root for you as much now." It's completely childish. If you don't get it why this is simply a smart move to get more talent among other things than maybe the boss was right. By the way, the yankees have a farm system like everyone else and develop players, but when you're in the business of winning you use your resources to meet that goal.
TBO
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1350 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 20:34:22
July 18 2011 20:31 GMT
#802
On July 19 2011 05:27 FXOpen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2011 05:20 Mordiford wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:13 FXOpen wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:02 Mordiford wrote:
Okay, we have another EG Master's Cup situation don't we?

So is Fou going to complete this season of the GSTL as Fou or as FXO, if Fou goes on and FXO doesn't, will Fou have access to the current FXO roster? Or are rosters locked for the current season? Sorry if this has been answered prior but it's not in the OP(other than the uniform change).

I'm not gonna lie, it really feels like FXO is the Yankees, I just can't get behind FXO this way. Sure they may start dominating team leagues with access to such a huge talented roster and all that, but all that we really see is a team buying players as other teams build them up, and then buying a whole roster of talented players. I'm most likely jumping the gun here, but for now FXO sort of dropped quite a bit on the "Teams I root for" scale.


I had just written a huge reply to this. Not because of your post in particular, but because of a bunch of other naive posts before it. I then deleted my post, because I shouldn't expect sc2 viewers to understand business.. That is wrong of me.

As for GSTL, the season will be played out as is. With neither fOu or FXO making playoffs, there is little/noeffect.

In future GSTL's. The internal rankings will depend on whos on the team. As well as a few individual decisions.

I would expect to see some original FXO on the bench during the season.


I'm assuming this is Boss, but not entirely sure.

I don't really see how telling me I wouldn't understand gets you anywhere, wouldn't it be more worthwhile to at least attempt to make the post and then move along if I'm still ignorant to the "business" of it. I prefer to see teams pick up players with potential and build them up as opposed to falling into what to the outside, appears to be "If you can't beat them, buy them". This is part of why I don't like the Yankees, sure you can say it's good business and you'll gain fans with your success, the Yankees have plenty of them, but I simply won't be one of them with the current knowledge I have of the situation.

Telling me I won't understand business won't do anything but insult my intelligence and put me off further, quite simply, it may be good business to simply buy whomever is talented but in my opinion, it doesn't make for good sport.


I already have a team of potential, and I acquired another team of potential.. What more do you want man? If I wanted to buy a team to be the yankees , I would have bought slayers.... Its pretty simple.

Or better yet, I would have bought, naniwa, huk, mma, drg, nestea, losira, scfOu, and made a 'super team'... There is NOTHING in common between the yankees and FXO... At all..

You are just digging at something that doesn't exist. If you don't want to be a fan thats your choice. But I am kinda tired of being attacked for no reason for good decisions that are attempts at me to grow an industry. Honestly what have I done that has indicated that I am just going around buying publicity?


totally agree... I mean it's not like they just spend some money to have some super stars wear their t-shirt when on foreign events as some other team. It's not like it was a hostile takeover or FXO stole every player from fou. If you get angry on FXO buying fou, you could also get angry on TLAF for sponsoring Liquid instead of an up and coming team

The non-korean lineup of FXO really shows that they want to nourish talent - I mean it's not like they wouldn't have had the budget to buy some big names instead.
Castrophy
Profile Joined November 2010
United States232 Posts
July 18 2011 20:32 GMT
#803
I'm really excited for this. Hopefully some of the original FXO guys will stay in Korea and play in the GSTL and try and qualify for code a. Also really looking forward to seeing more koreans under the FXO tag in foreigner events!

Great job FXO! I am really excited for the coming months!
sinii
Profile Joined August 2010
England989 Posts
July 18 2011 20:32 GMT
#804
On July 19 2011 05:27 FXOpen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2011 05:20 Mordiford wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:13 FXOpen wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:02 Mordiford wrote:
Okay, we have another EG Master's Cup situation don't we?

So is Fou going to complete this season of the GSTL as Fou or as FXO, if Fou goes on and FXO doesn't, will Fou have access to the current FXO roster? Or are rosters locked for the current season? Sorry if this has been answered prior but it's not in the OP(other than the uniform change).

I'm not gonna lie, it really feels like FXO is the Yankees, I just can't get behind FXO this way. Sure they may start dominating team leagues with access to such a huge talented roster and all that, but all that we really see is a team buying players as other teams build them up, and then buying a whole roster of talented players. I'm most likely jumping the gun here, but for now FXO sort of dropped quite a bit on the "Teams I root for" scale.


I had just written a huge reply to this. Not because of your post in particular, but because of a bunch of other naive posts before it. I then deleted my post, because I shouldn't expect sc2 viewers to understand business.. That is wrong of me.

As for GSTL, the season will be played out as is. With neither fOu or FXO making playoffs, there is little/noeffect.

In future GSTL's. The internal rankings will depend on whos on the team. As well as a few individual decisions.

I would expect to see some original FXO on the bench during the season.


I'm assuming this is Boss, but not entirely sure.

I don't really see how telling me I wouldn't understand gets you anywhere, wouldn't it be more worthwhile to at least attempt to make the post and then move along if I'm still ignorant to the "business" of it. I prefer to see teams pick up players with potential and build them up as opposed to falling into what to the outside, appears to be "If you can't beat them, buy them". This is part of why I don't like the Yankees, sure you can say it's good business and you'll gain fans with your success, the Yankees have plenty of them, but I simply won't be one of them with the current knowledge I have of the situation.

Telling me I won't understand business won't do anything but insult my intelligence and put me off further, quite simply, it may be good business to simply buy whomever is talented but in my opinion, it doesn't make for good sport.


I already have a team of potential, and I acquired another team of potential.. What more do you want man? If I wanted to buy a team to be the yankees , I would have bought slayers.... Its pretty simple.

Or better yet, I would have bought, naniwa, huk, mma, drg, nestea, losira, scfOu, and made a 'super team'... There is NOTHING in common between the yankees and FXO... At all..

You are just digging at something that doesn't exist. If you don't want to be a fan thats your choice. But I am kinda tired of being attacked for no reason for good decisions that are attempts at me to grow an industry. Honestly what have I done that has indicated that I am just going around buying publicity?


I would urge you not to take note of the vocal minority. Anyone with half a brain knows what FXO is doing is fantastic.

All the best, myself and many many many many fans all over the world will be cheering on FXO in future events!
MonkSEA
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia1227 Posts
July 18 2011 20:33 GMT
#805
I don't know how I feel about this..

It's great for FXO, and fOu but I just don't quite 'feel' it. I don't know how to put it into words too ~_~
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Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 20:34:45
July 18 2011 20:34 GMT
#806
Poor foreigner team can't win -> buy an entire team of mediocre Koreans

Team of mediocre Koreans can't win -> buy a better team of Koreans?
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
July 18 2011 20:36 GMT
#807
On July 19 2011 05:20 Mordiford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2011 05:13 FXOpen wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:02 Mordiford wrote:
Okay, we have another EG Master's Cup situation don't we?

So is Fou going to complete this season of the GSTL as Fou or as FXO, if Fou goes on and FXO doesn't, will Fou have access to the current FXO roster? Or are rosters locked for the current season? Sorry if this has been answered prior but it's not in the OP(other than the uniform change).

I'm not gonna lie, it really feels like FXO is the Yankees, I just can't get behind FXO this way. Sure they may start dominating team leagues with access to such a huge talented roster and all that, but all that we really see is a team buying players as other teams build them up, and then buying a whole roster of talented players. I'm most likely jumping the gun here, but for now FXO sort of dropped quite a bit on the "Teams I root for" scale.


I had just written a huge reply to this. Not because of your post in particular, but because of a bunch of other naive posts before it. I then deleted my post, because I shouldn't expect sc2 viewers to understand business.. That is wrong of me.

As for GSTL, the season will be played out as is. With neither fOu or FXO making playoffs, there is little/noeffect.

In future GSTL's. The internal rankings will depend on whos on the team. As well as a few individual decisions.

I would expect to see some original FXO on the bench during the season.


I'm assuming this is Boss, but not entirely sure.

I don't really see how telling me I wouldn't understand gets you anywhere, wouldn't it be more worthwhile to at least attempt to make the post and then move along if I'm still ignorant to the "business" of it. I prefer to see teams pick up players with potential and build them up as opposed to falling into what to the outside, appears to be "If you can't beat them, buy them". This is part of why I don't like the Yankees, sure you can say it's good business and you'll gain fans with your success, the Yankees have plenty of them, but I simply won't be one of them with the current knowledge I have of the situation.

Telling me I won't understand business won't do anything but insult my intelligence and put me off further, quite simply, it may be good business to simply buy whomever is talented but in my opinion, it doesn't make for good sport.


I can't really see how the Yankee comparison works.

Yankees are notorious for buying the finished product for top dollars, instead of searching for hidden talent. FXO's acquisition is more about developing a better infrastructure for their current talent and expanding their talent pool.

If you want to compare the Yankees with an E-Sports team, look at SK.
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Torpedo.Vegas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1890 Posts
July 18 2011 20:36 GMT
#808
I think the real, and only legitimate question to ask, is "are now fOu members/HuK considered foreigners (i.e. Team USA) or are they korean?".
TBO
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1350 Posts
July 18 2011 20:37 GMT
#809
On July 19 2011 05:34 Kraznaya wrote:
Poor foreigner team can't win -> buy an entire team of mediocre Koreans

Team of mediocre Koreans can't win -> buy a better team of Koreans?


did you really think FXO thought they would instantely achieve good results with the lineup they picked? They are obviously in it for the longterm. And by your logic it makes absolutely no sense to keep the foreign division.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
July 18 2011 20:37 GMT
#810
You guys are pretty ridiculous =/ this is an awesome move and no doubt spawned out of the friendship between FXO and Choya. It's great for esports, its great for fOu (such an oldschool clan, totally deserve this) and all you guys can do is complain? Ugh.
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N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
July 18 2011 20:37 GMT
#811
fOu has always been one of my favorite teams, simply due to the fact that it's all a bunch of gosu kids. I mean really, that team is so potential stacked it's silly.

This also means that FXO players worldwide have the option to go play in the fOu team house OR the FXO team house OR practice on their own. The possibilities are endless with this move and I eagerly await for it to bear fruit.

Wonderful move FXO, seriously smart move,
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DwD
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden8621 Posts
July 18 2011 20:38 GMT
#812
I'm starting to dislike FXO more and more but maybe it's just me.. Feels like they wanna do all of these cool things which I guess are good but I think they are the wrong team to do it.
They got like 1 good player >< And he isn't even participating in the korean events.
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ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
July 18 2011 20:38 GMT
#813
fxo now has a russian squad a korean squad and an international squad :D i think they are trying to take over the world
www.root-gaming.com
Automata
Profile Joined March 2011
393 Posts
July 18 2011 20:39 GMT
#814
I'm very interested in FXO's acquisition of fOu. Like other supporters mentioned, I'm very happy with FXO's approach to SC2 and eSports: doing their absolute best to set their players up for success in SC2. This will mean providing them a team house, good salaries, letting them play in Korea (they saw the benefits of playing in Korea; just look at Huk for instance). I honestly think foreigners can absolutely compete with Koreans if they're given a chance to succeed. This is FXO International has done.

IMO, now that FXOInternational has access to practice parters in fOu, they will improve tons now. They will acquire strategies and knowledge that Koreans practice. I'm really excited for what FXO brings to eSports. I'll definitely be rooting for you guys in future tournaments. FXO FIGHTING!
Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
July 18 2011 20:39 GMT
#815
On July 19 2011 05:20 Mordiford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2011 05:13 FXOpen wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:02 Mordiford wrote:
Okay, we have another EG Master's Cup situation don't we?

So is Fou going to complete this season of the GSTL as Fou or as FXO, if Fou goes on and FXO doesn't, will Fou have access to the current FXO roster? Or are rosters locked for the current season? Sorry if this has been answered prior but it's not in the OP(other than the uniform change).

I'm not gonna lie, it really feels like FXO is the Yankees, I just can't get behind FXO this way. Sure they may start dominating team leagues with access to such a huge talented roster and all that, but all that we really see is a team buying players as other teams build them up, and then buying a whole roster of talented players. I'm most likely jumping the gun here, but for now FXO sort of dropped quite a bit on the "Teams I root for" scale.


I had just written a huge reply to this. Not because of your post in particular, but because of a bunch of other naive posts before it. I then deleted my post, because I shouldn't expect sc2 viewers to understand business.. That is wrong of me.

As for GSTL, the season will be played out as is. With neither fOu or FXO making playoffs, there is little/noeffect.

In future GSTL's. The internal rankings will depend on whos on the team. As well as a few individual decisions.

I would expect to see some original FXO on the bench during the season.


I'm assuming this is Boss, but not entirely sure.

I don't really see how telling me I wouldn't understand gets you anywhere, wouldn't it be more worthwhile to at least attempt to make the post and then move along if I'm still ignorant to the "business" of it. I prefer to see teams pick up players with potential and build them up as opposed to falling into what to the outside, appears to be "If you can't beat them, buy them". This is part of why I don't like the Yankees, sure you can say it's good business and you'll gain fans with your success, the Yankees have plenty of them, but I simply won't be one of them with the current knowledge I have of the situation.

Telling me I won't understand business won't do anything but insult my intelligence and put me off further, quite simply, it may be good business to simply buy whomever is talented but in my opinion, it doesn't make for good sport.


So.

Ok.

Your telling a guy and a team which has assembled a group of foreigners who are not the dream team by any stretch of the imagination. Guys like tgun, just a regular SEA Masters player with a passion. Optikzero, ladder grinder who couldn't find proper practice partners. Slog whose enthusiasm and complete dedication is awe inspiring. Not guys like Nani or Select. They didn't buy up Kiwi when he was a free agent after the merger of Root and Col.

FXO provided these guys with a well structured team environment before the move to Korea. They also ran tourneys and KoTH for other foreigners (and Koreans).

They always got their whole team to MLGs.

Then they gave their players the opportunity to play and practice in the most conducive atmosphere to improve anywhere on the planet; Korea.

They built an ESPORTS mansion in Malaysia and are actively searching for Malaysian SC2 players to join and live in said mansion, in an attempt to grow SC2 in that country.

They take great care of their players, letting Sheth go back to the US, under an absolute storm of self-righteous anger from the community and have not once been anything but 100% supportive of him.

They fly Koreans out to MLG.

They pay salary to their players.

They saw an opportunity in Fou a team who was without any sort of big sponsorship, which had gone through some problems. They offered Fou the resources to become one of the best Korean teams and give FXO current roster a huge group of amazing training partners.

And there is a business side, which I already posted about, but for your forgetful self I will spoiler here:

+ Show Spoiler +
Secondly, FXO's main objective is to introduce their brand to the Esports audience. Is there anyone who vaguely follows SC2 proscene that doesn't know about FXO now? Their KOTHs, mansion in KL, regular invitationals (<3 FXOPENIS), QXC/Sheth signings.....and to add to that the GSTL. The first ever foreigner team to compete in a Korean teamleague, an extremely ambitious and daring move one which will become part of Esports history, a mark in the development of non-Korean Esports. With the merger of FXO and fou, FXO can make a definitive mark in the Korean landscape.

FXO is now poised as a company that can act as a conduit through which western advertising dollars can flow into the Korean scene. FXO have proved themselves to some very big name sponsors in their professionalism and ability to put together an excellent product (the aforementioned KoTHs, Invitationals). They can now make great contacts within Korea and direct companies in successful partnerships. This is a bit of speculation on my part but I can see this pretty close to what is actually happening.


Suggesting FXO are somehow the Yankees of SC2 is presumptuous, uninformed and worthless blather.


knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
July 18 2011 20:39 GMT
#816
This is pretty effing amazing dude. FXO is pretty insane
ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
July 18 2011 20:39 GMT
#817
On July 19 2011 05:38 DwD wrote:
I'm starting to dislike FXO more and more but maybe it's just me.. Feels like they wanna do all of these cool things which I guess are good but I think they are the wrong team to do it.
They got like 1 good player >< And he isn't even participating in the korean events.

who is their 1 good player? lol is it sheth/qxc/moonglade/moonan ? they are all scary good players and you are ignorant if you dont think so
www.root-gaming.com
JackhammerIV
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom221 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 20:41:31
July 18 2011 20:40 GMT
#818
On July 19 2011 05:36 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
I think the real, and only legitimate question to ask, is "are now fOu members/HuK considered foreigners (i.e. Team USA) or are they korean?".


I don't know about the education system in America but I'm sure in other parts of the world they teach you that there's more than two countries (Korea and USA) in the world. :p

Awesome that FXO is helping out fOu. Giving their teams more players to practise with and represent at tournaments. Also gives players tons of opportunities. The fOu guys' eyes must have popped out when they saw pictures of the team house in malaysia they're invited to go to...:D
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
July 18 2011 20:41 GMT
#819
On July 19 2011 05:32 sinii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2011 05:27 FXOpen wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:20 Mordiford wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:13 FXOpen wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:02 Mordiford wrote:
Okay, we have another EG Master's Cup situation don't we?

So is Fou going to complete this season of the GSTL as Fou or as FXO, if Fou goes on and FXO doesn't, will Fou have access to the current FXO roster? Or are rosters locked for the current season? Sorry if this has been answered prior but it's not in the OP(other than the uniform change).

I'm not gonna lie, it really feels like FXO is the Yankees, I just can't get behind FXO this way. Sure they may start dominating team leagues with access to such a huge talented roster and all that, but all that we really see is a team buying players as other teams build them up, and then buying a whole roster of talented players. I'm most likely jumping the gun here, but for now FXO sort of dropped quite a bit on the "Teams I root for" scale.


I had just written a huge reply to this. Not because of your post in particular, but because of a bunch of other naive posts before it. I then deleted my post, because I shouldn't expect sc2 viewers to understand business.. That is wrong of me.

As for GSTL, the season will be played out as is. With neither fOu or FXO making playoffs, there is little/noeffect.

In future GSTL's. The internal rankings will depend on whos on the team. As well as a few individual decisions.

I would expect to see some original FXO on the bench during the season.


I'm assuming this is Boss, but not entirely sure.

I don't really see how telling me I wouldn't understand gets you anywhere, wouldn't it be more worthwhile to at least attempt to make the post and then move along if I'm still ignorant to the "business" of it. I prefer to see teams pick up players with potential and build them up as opposed to falling into what to the outside, appears to be "If you can't beat them, buy them". This is part of why I don't like the Yankees, sure you can say it's good business and you'll gain fans with your success, the Yankees have plenty of them, but I simply won't be one of them with the current knowledge I have of the situation.

Telling me I won't understand business won't do anything but insult my intelligence and put me off further, quite simply, it may be good business to simply buy whomever is talented but in my opinion, it doesn't make for good sport.


I already have a team of potential, and I acquired another team of potential.. What more do you want man? If I wanted to buy a team to be the yankees , I would have bought slayers.... Its pretty simple.

Or better yet, I would have bought, naniwa, huk, mma, drg, nestea, losira, scfOu, and made a 'super team'... There is NOTHING in common between the yankees and FXO... At all..

You are just digging at something that doesn't exist. If you don't want to be a fan thats your choice. But I am kinda tired of being attacked for no reason for good decisions that are attempts at me to grow an industry. Honestly what have I done that has indicated that I am just going around buying publicity?


I would urge you not to take note of the vocal minority. Anyone with half a brain knows what FXO is doing is fantastic.

All the best, myself and many many many many fans all over the world will be cheering on FXO in future events!


I'll second this.
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
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July 18 2011 20:42 GMT
#820
On July 19 2011 05:29 Serpico wrote:
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On July 19 2011 05:20 Mordiford wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:13 FXOpen wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:02 Mordiford wrote:
Okay, we have another EG Master's Cup situation don't we?

So is Fou going to complete this season of the GSTL as Fou or as FXO, if Fou goes on and FXO doesn't, will Fou have access to the current FXO roster? Or are rosters locked for the current season? Sorry if this has been answered prior but it's not in the OP(other than the uniform change).

I'm not gonna lie, it really feels like FXO is the Yankees, I just can't get behind FXO this way. Sure they may start dominating team leagues with access to such a huge talented roster and all that, but all that we really see is a team buying players as other teams build them up, and then buying a whole roster of talented players. I'm most likely jumping the gun here, but for now FXO sort of dropped quite a bit on the "Teams I root for" scale.


I had just written a huge reply to this. Not because of your post in particular, but because of a bunch of other naive posts before it. I then deleted my post, because I shouldn't expect sc2 viewers to understand business.. That is wrong of me.

As for GSTL, the season will be played out as is. With neither fOu or FXO making playoffs, there is little/noeffect.

In future GSTL's. The internal rankings will depend on whos on the team. As well as a few individual decisions.

I would expect to see some original FXO on the bench during the season.


I'm assuming this is Boss, but not entirely sure.

I don't really see how telling me I wouldn't understand gets you anywhere, wouldn't it be more worthwhile to at least attempt to make the post and then move along if I'm still ignorant to the "business" of it. I prefer to see teams pick up players with potential and build them up as opposed to falling into what to the outside, appears to be "If you can't beat them, buy them". This is part of why I don't like the Yankees, sure you can say it's good business and you'll gain fans with your success, the Yankees have plenty of them, but I simply won't be one of them with the current knowledge I have of the situation.

Telling me I won't understand business won't do anything but insult my intelligence and put me off further, quite simply, it may be good business to simply buy whomever is talented but in my opinion, it doesn't make for good sport.

Because you throw a hissy fit simply because a team was acquired and say stupid stuff like "omg I can't root for you as much now." It's completely childish. If you don't get it why this is simply a smart move to get more talent among other things than maybe the boss was right.


It's far from a hissy fit, it's some simple questions to try and understand more about a team's acquisition. I said the same thing in regards to Complexity acquiring ROOT, I'll have to wait and see but as of now I'm a little put-off, particularly since I don't know the dynamic behind this acquisition.

On July 19 2011 05:27 FXOpen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2011 05:20 Mordiford wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:13 FXOpen wrote:
On July 19 2011 05:02 Mordiford wrote:
Okay, we have another EG Master's Cup situation don't we?

So is Fou going to complete this season of the GSTL as Fou or as FXO, if Fou goes on and FXO doesn't, will Fou have access to the current FXO roster? Or are rosters locked for the current season? Sorry if this has been answered prior but it's not in the OP(other than the uniform change).

I'm not gonna lie, it really feels like FXO is the Yankees, I just can't get behind FXO this way. Sure they may start dominating team leagues with access to such a huge talented roster and all that, but all that we really see is a team buying players as other teams build them up, and then buying a whole roster of talented players. I'm most likely jumping the gun here, but for now FXO sort of dropped quite a bit on the "Teams I root for" scale.


I had just written a huge reply to this. Not because of your post in particular, but because of a bunch of other naive posts before it. I then deleted my post, because I shouldn't expect sc2 viewers to understand business.. That is wrong of me.

As for GSTL, the season will be played out as is. With neither fOu or FXO making playoffs, there is little/noeffect.

In future GSTL's. The internal rankings will depend on whos on the team. As well as a few individual decisions.

I would expect to see some original FXO on the bench during the season.


I'm assuming this is Boss, but not entirely sure.

I don't really see how telling me I wouldn't understand gets you anywhere, wouldn't it be more worthwhile to at least attempt to make the post and then move along if I'm still ignorant to the "business" of it. I prefer to see teams pick up players with potential and build them up as opposed to falling into what to the outside, appears to be "If you can't beat them, buy them". This is part of why I don't like the Yankees, sure you can say it's good business and you'll gain fans with your success, the Yankees have plenty of them, but I simply won't be one of them with the current knowledge I have of the situation.

Telling me I won't understand business won't do anything but insult my intelligence and put me off further, quite simply, it may be good business to simply buy whomever is talented but in my opinion, it doesn't make for good sport.


I already have a team of potential, and I acquired another team of potential.. What more do you want man? If I wanted to buy a team to be the yankees , I would have bought slayers.... Its pretty simple.

Or better yet, I would have bought, naniwa, huk, mma, drg, nestea, losira, scfOu, and made a 'super team'... There is NOTHING in common between the yankees and FXO... At all..

You are just digging at something that doesn't exist. If you don't want to be a fan thats your choice. But I am kinda tired of being attacked for no reason for good decisions that are attempts at me to grow an industry. Honestly what have I done that has indicated that I am just going around buying publicity?


This implies that those players would genuinely be up for purchase, but perhaps the Yankees are a bit of an extreme comparison. The situation seems similar though, sure it makes sense, what's better than one team with potential? Two teams with potential! But honestly Fou is more than a team with potential with the amount of talent they have in the GSL, it's undoubtedly buying upwards as opposed to buying sideways which is where I draw my comparison.

It's especially a bit surprising since you spoke negatively about the mercenary system, saying that the players "Don't know how each other play, they don't know how each other live" and the players coming down will likely be spending around as much time with similar training interaction with the WeMadeFox team. So how is that any different from what just happened here other than, "Oh wait, they aren't mercenaries, look we bought them", do you know how they play or live now more than the foreign mercenaries would after 3-4 games of the GSTL? Have your thoughts on that system changed at all?
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