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On July 19 2011 05:02 Mordiford wrote:
Okay, we have another EG Master's Cup situation don't we?
So is Fou going to complete this season of the GSTL as Fou or as FXO, if Fou goes on and FXO doesn't, will Fou have access to the current FXO roster? Or are rosters locked for the current season? Sorry if this has been answered prior but it's not in the OP(other than the uniform change).
I'm not gonna lie, it really feels like FXO is the Yankees, I just can't get behind FXO this way. Sure they may start dominating team leagues with access to such a huge talented roster and all that, but all that we really see is a team buying players as other teams build them up, and then buying a whole roster of talented players. I'm most likely jumping the gun here, but for now FXO sort of dropped quite a bit on the "Teams I root for" scale.
tell that to the slayers team, MAD BIG
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On July 19 2011 04:40 Trowa127 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 04:37 lorkac wrote:On July 19 2011 04:26 Klonere wrote:
I don't think that the acquisition has anything to with FXO management seeing their results in the GSTL and going "welp, we are getting smashed, better buy some players so we can win!". I'm 100% confident in that FXOBoss, Unstable and Wolf all had extremely grounded and realistic expectations for the GSTL. They did not go their expecting to win, or even perhaps place mid-table. Ultimately, FXO had two goals in entering the GSTL. First and foremost, giving their players the opportunity to play and practice in the most conducive atmosphere to improve anywhere on the planet; Korea. I'm sure FXO management and people close to the team can tell you that the team has gone up several notches in skill level since they arrived in Korea. One cannot deny the fact they have plunged headfirst into the Korean teamhouse model is not only admirable but also a sure fire way of vastly upping each players skills. Undoubtedly they underestimated the effect that playing in the Mok-Dong studios, inside the famous GSL booths would have. Anyone who has watched FXO's games in the GSTL can clearly see the presence of serious nerves in nearly every game.
Secondly, FXO's main objective is to introduce their brand to the Esports audience. Is there anyone who vaguely follows SC2 proscene that doesn't know about FXO now? Their KOTHs, mansion in KL, regular invitationals (<3 FXOPENIS), QXC/Sheth signings.....and to add to that the GSTL. The first ever foreigner team to compete in a Korean teamleague, an extremely ambitious and daring move one which will become part of Esports history, a mark in the development of non-Korean Esports. With the merger of FXO and fou, FXO can make a definitive mark in the Korean landscape.
FXO is now poised as a company that can act as a conduit through which western advertising dollars can flow into the Korean scene. FXO have proved themselves to some very big name sponsors in their professionalism and ability to put together an excellent product (the aforementioned KoTHs, Invitationals). They can now make great contacts within Korea and direct companies in successful partnerships. This is a bit of speculation on my part but I can see this pretty close to what is actually happening.
Finally, haters can suck it. it's like a large globalized company knows how to conduct a business or something. Haha brilliant, best response in this thread <3 But seriously, FxOBoss has obviously made a lot of money else where and its good that hes funneling it into these ventures. If anyone can make money out of sc2, its him. Oh it all makes sense now! He runs a Forex trading company. /facepalm
He doesnt run the forex trading company, that would be ridiculous hes travelling all over managing teams and at the same time running the second largest forex trading company in the world?
He is a shareholder in the company though and the owner of FXOpen is very interested in e-sports , wich allows FXOboss to make aquisitions like this.
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On July 19 2011 05:10 ShootingStars wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 05:02 Mordiford wrote:
Okay, we have another EG Master's Cup situation don't we?
So is Fou going to complete this season of the GSTL as Fou or as FXO, if Fou goes on and FXO doesn't, will Fou have access to the current FXO roster? Or are rosters locked for the current season? Sorry if this has been answered prior but it's not in the OP(other than the uniform change).
I'm not gonna lie, it really feels like FXO is the Yankees, I just can't get behind FXO this way. Sure they may start dominating team leagues with access to such a huge talented roster and all that, but all that we really see is a team buying players as other teams build them up, and then buying a whole roster of talented players. I'm most likely jumping the gun here, but for now FXO sort of dropped quite a bit on the "Teams I root for" scale. tell that to the slayers team, MAD BIG
Erm... SlayerS is pretty different though, they are a large team of players who were picked up with no hype around them, and then built up by the team itself.
This seems more like "If you can't beat them, buy them".
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On July 19 2011 05:02 Mordiford wrote:
Okay, we have another EG Master's Cup situation don't we?
So is Fou going to complete this season of the GSTL as Fou or as FXO, if Fou goes on and FXO doesn't, will Fou have access to the current FXO roster? Or are rosters locked for the current season? Sorry if this has been answered prior but it's not in the OP(other than the uniform change).
I'm not gonna lie, it really feels like FXO is the Yankees, I just can't get behind FXO this way. Sure they may start dominating team leagues with access to such a huge talented roster and all that, but all that we really see is a team buying players as other teams build them up, and then buying a whole roster of talented players. I'm most likely jumping the gun here, but for now FXO sort of dropped quite a bit on the "Teams I root for" scale.
I had just written a huge reply to this. Not because of your post in particular, but because of a bunch of other naive posts before it. I then deleted my post, because I shouldn't expect sc2 viewers to understand business.. That is wrong of me.
As for GSTL, the season will be played out as is. With neither fOu or FXO making playoffs, there is little/noeffect.
In future GSTL's. The internal rankings will depend on whos on the team. As well as a few individual decisions.
I would expect to see some original FXO on the bench during the season.
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On July 19 2011 05:13 Executor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 04:40 Trowa127 wrote:On July 19 2011 04:37 lorkac wrote:On July 19 2011 04:26 Klonere wrote:
I don't think that the acquisition has anything to with FXO management seeing their results in the GSTL and going "welp, we are getting smashed, better buy some players so we can win!". I'm 100% confident in that FXOBoss, Unstable and Wolf all had extremely grounded and realistic expectations for the GSTL. They did not go their expecting to win, or even perhaps place mid-table. Ultimately, FXO had two goals in entering the GSTL. First and foremost, giving their players the opportunity to play and practice in the most conducive atmosphere to improve anywhere on the planet; Korea. I'm sure FXO management and people close to the team can tell you that the team has gone up several notches in skill level since they arrived in Korea. One cannot deny the fact they have plunged headfirst into the Korean teamhouse model is not only admirable but also a sure fire way of vastly upping each players skills. Undoubtedly they underestimated the effect that playing in the Mok-Dong studios, inside the famous GSL booths would have. Anyone who has watched FXO's games in the GSTL can clearly see the presence of serious nerves in nearly every game.
Secondly, FXO's main objective is to introduce their brand to the Esports audience. Is there anyone who vaguely follows SC2 proscene that doesn't know about FXO now? Their KOTHs, mansion in KL, regular invitationals (<3 FXOPENIS), QXC/Sheth signings.....and to add to that the GSTL. The first ever foreigner team to compete in a Korean teamleague, an extremely ambitious and daring move one which will become part of Esports history, a mark in the development of non-Korean Esports. With the merger of FXO and fou, FXO can make a definitive mark in the Korean landscape.
FXO is now poised as a company that can act as a conduit through which western advertising dollars can flow into the Korean scene. FXO have proved themselves to some very big name sponsors in their professionalism and ability to put together an excellent product (the aforementioned KoTHs, Invitationals). They can now make great contacts within Korea and direct companies in successful partnerships. This is a bit of speculation on my part but I can see this pretty close to what is actually happening.
Finally, haters can suck it. it's like a large globalized company knows how to conduct a business or something. Haha brilliant, best response in this thread <3 But seriously, FxOBoss has obviously made a lot of money else where and its good that hes funneling it into these ventures. If anyone can make money out of sc2, its him. Oh it all makes sense now! He runs a Forex trading company. /facepalm He doesnt run the forex trading company, that would be ridiculous hes travelling all over managing teams and at the same time running the second largest forex trading company in the world? He is a shareholder in the company though and the owner of FXOpen is very interested in e-sports , wich allows FXOboss to make aquisitions like this.
I run a large part of it.
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I hope the two teams integrate well!
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Like in business, hire someone and someone will get fired. Does this mean FXO will drop some of their players to make room for fOu's lineup. I'm guessing FXO isn't stupid to manage/fund 3 sc2 division and fOu w/o dropping someone.
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fOu can still make the playoffs. They need to win their last two and probably win at least one of them with a 4-1/4-0 score, but they still have a shot. They already played HoSeo and IM; they have a shot against ZeNex and ST.
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Wow, great news! Gz guys.
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On July 19 2011 05:14 FXOpen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 05:13 Executor1 wrote:On July 19 2011 04:40 Trowa127 wrote:On July 19 2011 04:37 lorkac wrote:On July 19 2011 04:26 Klonere wrote:
I don't think that the acquisition has anything to with FXO management seeing their results in the GSTL and going "welp, we are getting smashed, better buy some players so we can win!". I'm 100% confident in that FXOBoss, Unstable and Wolf all had extremely grounded and realistic expectations for the GSTL. They did not go their expecting to win, or even perhaps place mid-table. Ultimately, FXO had two goals in entering the GSTL. First and foremost, giving their players the opportunity to play and practice in the most conducive atmosphere to improve anywhere on the planet; Korea. I'm sure FXO management and people close to the team can tell you that the team has gone up several notches in skill level since they arrived in Korea. One cannot deny the fact they have plunged headfirst into the Korean teamhouse model is not only admirable but also a sure fire way of vastly upping each players skills. Undoubtedly they underestimated the effect that playing in the Mok-Dong studios, inside the famous GSL booths would have. Anyone who has watched FXO's games in the GSTL can clearly see the presence of serious nerves in nearly every game.
Secondly, FXO's main objective is to introduce their brand to the Esports audience. Is there anyone who vaguely follows SC2 proscene that doesn't know about FXO now? Their KOTHs, mansion in KL, regular invitationals (<3 FXOPENIS), QXC/Sheth signings.....and to add to that the GSTL. The first ever foreigner team to compete in a Korean teamleague, an extremely ambitious and daring move one which will become part of Esports history, a mark in the development of non-Korean Esports. With the merger of FXO and fou, FXO can make a definitive mark in the Korean landscape.
FXO is now poised as a company that can act as a conduit through which western advertising dollars can flow into the Korean scene. FXO have proved themselves to some very big name sponsors in their professionalism and ability to put together an excellent product (the aforementioned KoTHs, Invitationals). They can now make great contacts within Korea and direct companies in successful partnerships. This is a bit of speculation on my part but I can see this pretty close to what is actually happening.
Finally, haters can suck it. it's like a large globalized company knows how to conduct a business or something. Haha brilliant, best response in this thread <3 But seriously, FxOBoss has obviously made a lot of money else where and its good that hes funneling it into these ventures. If anyone can make money out of sc2, its him. Oh it all makes sense now! He runs a Forex trading company. /facepalm He doesnt run the forex trading company, that would be ridiculous hes travelling all over managing teams and at the same time running the second largest forex trading company in the world? He is a shareholder in the company though and the owner of FXOpen is very interested in e-sports , wich allows FXOboss to make aquisitions like this. I run a large part of it.
He is also apparently reading a lot of TL. :-) Very interested in seeing what happens with both of the teams FXO and FXOkorea. Congrats on the acquisition.
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On July 19 2011 05:17 Fionn wrote:
fOu can still make the playoffs. They need to win their last two and probably win at least one of them with a 4-1/4-0 score, but they still have a shot. They already played HoSeo and IM; they have a shot against ZeNex and ST.
Perhaps. And if they make play offs they will play as the fOu team.
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On July 19 2011 05:14 FXOpen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 05:13 Executor1 wrote:On July 19 2011 04:40 Trowa127 wrote:On July 19 2011 04:37 lorkac wrote:On July 19 2011 04:26 Klonere wrote:
I don't think that the acquisition has anything to with FXO management seeing their results in the GSTL and going "welp, we are getting smashed, better buy some players so we can win!". I'm 100% confident in that FXOBoss, Unstable and Wolf all had extremely grounded and realistic expectations for the GSTL. They did not go their expecting to win, or even perhaps place mid-table. Ultimately, FXO had two goals in entering the GSTL. First and foremost, giving their players the opportunity to play and practice in the most conducive atmosphere to improve anywhere on the planet; Korea. I'm sure FXO management and people close to the team can tell you that the team has gone up several notches in skill level since they arrived in Korea. One cannot deny the fact they have plunged headfirst into the Korean teamhouse model is not only admirable but also a sure fire way of vastly upping each players skills. Undoubtedly they underestimated the effect that playing in the Mok-Dong studios, inside the famous GSL booths would have. Anyone who has watched FXO's games in the GSTL can clearly see the presence of serious nerves in nearly every game.
Secondly, FXO's main objective is to introduce their brand to the Esports audience. Is there anyone who vaguely follows SC2 proscene that doesn't know about FXO now? Their KOTHs, mansion in KL, regular invitationals (<3 FXOPENIS), QXC/Sheth signings.....and to add to that the GSTL. The first ever foreigner team to compete in a Korean teamleague, an extremely ambitious and daring move one which will become part of Esports history, a mark in the development of non-Korean Esports. With the merger of FXO and fou, FXO can make a definitive mark in the Korean landscape.
FXO is now poised as a company that can act as a conduit through which western advertising dollars can flow into the Korean scene. FXO have proved themselves to some very big name sponsors in their professionalism and ability to put together an excellent product (the aforementioned KoTHs, Invitationals). They can now make great contacts within Korea and direct companies in successful partnerships. This is a bit of speculation on my part but I can see this pretty close to what is actually happening.
Finally, haters can suck it. it's like a large globalized company knows how to conduct a business or something. Haha brilliant, best response in this thread <3 But seriously, FxOBoss has obviously made a lot of money else where and its good that hes funneling it into these ventures. If anyone can make money out of sc2, its him. Oh it all makes sense now! He runs a Forex trading company. /facepalm He doesnt run the forex trading company, that would be ridiculous hes travelling all over managing teams and at the same time running the second largest forex trading company in the world? He is a shareholder in the company though and the owner of FXOpen is very interested in e-sports , wich allows FXOboss to make aquisitions like this. I run a large part of it.
Wow i didnt realise that at all, from your interviews i understood you were a large shareholder and you ran the e-sports division.
How do yoou have time for all this lol,.
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On July 19 2011 05:18 Dac wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 05:14 FXOpen wrote:On July 19 2011 05:13 Executor1 wrote:On July 19 2011 04:40 Trowa127 wrote:On July 19 2011 04:37 lorkac wrote:On July 19 2011 04:26 Klonere wrote:
I don't think that the acquisition has anything to with FXO management seeing their results in the GSTL and going "welp, we are getting smashed, better buy some players so we can win!". I'm 100% confident in that FXOBoss, Unstable and Wolf all had extremely grounded and realistic expectations for the GSTL. They did not go their expecting to win, or even perhaps place mid-table. Ultimately, FXO had two goals in entering the GSTL. First and foremost, giving their players the opportunity to play and practice in the most conducive atmosphere to improve anywhere on the planet; Korea. I'm sure FXO management and people close to the team can tell you that the team has gone up several notches in skill level since they arrived in Korea. One cannot deny the fact they have plunged headfirst into the Korean teamhouse model is not only admirable but also a sure fire way of vastly upping each players skills. Undoubtedly they underestimated the effect that playing in the Mok-Dong studios, inside the famous GSL booths would have. Anyone who has watched FXO's games in the GSTL can clearly see the presence of serious nerves in nearly every game.
Secondly, FXO's main objective is to introduce their brand to the Esports audience. Is there anyone who vaguely follows SC2 proscene that doesn't know about FXO now? Their KOTHs, mansion in KL, regular invitationals (<3 FXOPENIS), QXC/Sheth signings.....and to add to that the GSTL. The first ever foreigner team to compete in a Korean teamleague, an extremely ambitious and daring move one which will become part of Esports history, a mark in the development of non-Korean Esports. With the merger of FXO and fou, FXO can make a definitive mark in the Korean landscape.
FXO is now poised as a company that can act as a conduit through which western advertising dollars can flow into the Korean scene. FXO have proved themselves to some very big name sponsors in their professionalism and ability to put together an excellent product (the aforementioned KoTHs, Invitationals). They can now make great contacts within Korea and direct companies in successful partnerships. This is a bit of speculation on my part but I can see this pretty close to what is actually happening.
Finally, haters can suck it. it's like a large globalized company knows how to conduct a business or something. Haha brilliant, best response in this thread <3 But seriously, FxOBoss has obviously made a lot of money else where and its good that hes funneling it into these ventures. If anyone can make money out of sc2, its him. Oh it all makes sense now! He runs a Forex trading company. /facepalm He doesnt run the forex trading company, that would be ridiculous hes travelling all over managing teams and at the same time running the second largest forex trading company in the world? He is a shareholder in the company though and the owner of FXOpen is very interested in e-sports , wich allows FXOboss to make aquisitions like this. I run a large part of it. He is also apparently reading a lot of TL. :-) Very interested in seeing what happens with both of the teams FXO and FXOkorea. Congrats on the acquisition.
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On July 19 2011 05:19 Executor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 05:14 FXOpen wrote:On July 19 2011 05:13 Executor1 wrote:On July 19 2011 04:40 Trowa127 wrote:On July 19 2011 04:37 lorkac wrote:On July 19 2011 04:26 Klonere wrote:
I don't think that the acquisition has anything to with FXO management seeing their results in the GSTL and going "welp, we are getting smashed, better buy some players so we can win!". I'm 100% confident in that FXOBoss, Unstable and Wolf all had extremely grounded and realistic expectations for the GSTL. They did not go their expecting to win, or even perhaps place mid-table. Ultimately, FXO had two goals in entering the GSTL. First and foremost, giving their players the opportunity to play and practice in the most conducive atmosphere to improve anywhere on the planet; Korea. I'm sure FXO management and people close to the team can tell you that the team has gone up several notches in skill level since they arrived in Korea. One cannot deny the fact they have plunged headfirst into the Korean teamhouse model is not only admirable but also a sure fire way of vastly upping each players skills. Undoubtedly they underestimated the effect that playing in the Mok-Dong studios, inside the famous GSL booths would have. Anyone who has watched FXO's games in the GSTL can clearly see the presence of serious nerves in nearly every game.
Secondly, FXO's main objective is to introduce their brand to the Esports audience. Is there anyone who vaguely follows SC2 proscene that doesn't know about FXO now? Their KOTHs, mansion in KL, regular invitationals (<3 FXOPENIS), QXC/Sheth signings.....and to add to that the GSTL. The first ever foreigner team to compete in a Korean teamleague, an extremely ambitious and daring move one which will become part of Esports history, a mark in the development of non-Korean Esports. With the merger of FXO and fou, FXO can make a definitive mark in the Korean landscape.
FXO is now poised as a company that can act as a conduit through which western advertising dollars can flow into the Korean scene. FXO have proved themselves to some very big name sponsors in their professionalism and ability to put together an excellent product (the aforementioned KoTHs, Invitationals). They can now make great contacts within Korea and direct companies in successful partnerships. This is a bit of speculation on my part but I can see this pretty close to what is actually happening.
Finally, haters can suck it. it's like a large globalized company knows how to conduct a business or something. Haha brilliant, best response in this thread <3 But seriously, FxOBoss has obviously made a lot of money else where and its good that hes funneling it into these ventures. If anyone can make money out of sc2, its him. Oh it all makes sense now! He runs a Forex trading company. /facepalm He doesnt run the forex trading company, that would be ridiculous hes travelling all over managing teams and at the same time running the second largest forex trading company in the world? He is a shareholder in the company though and the owner of FXOpen is very interested in e-sports , wich allows FXOboss to make aquisitions like this. I run a large part of it. Wow i didnt realise that at all, from your interviews i understood you were a large shareholder and you ran the e-sports division. How do yoou have time for all this lol,.
Now you know why I can be hostile to some forum viewers at times Its 4:19 am and i am still in the office. Mostly because of the e-sports stuff going on.
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Just popping in again and wishing good luck! I think its awsome what you guys are doing with eSports right now. Just wanted you to let you know that there is a lot of support aswell! <3 <3
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On July 19 2011 05:13 FXOpen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 05:02 Mordiford wrote:
Okay, we have another EG Master's Cup situation don't we?
So is Fou going to complete this season of the GSTL as Fou or as FXO, if Fou goes on and FXO doesn't, will Fou have access to the current FXO roster? Or are rosters locked for the current season? Sorry if this has been answered prior but it's not in the OP(other than the uniform change).
I'm not gonna lie, it really feels like FXO is the Yankees, I just can't get behind FXO this way. Sure they may start dominating team leagues with access to such a huge talented roster and all that, but all that we really see is a team buying players as other teams build them up, and then buying a whole roster of talented players. I'm most likely jumping the gun here, but for now FXO sort of dropped quite a bit on the "Teams I root for" scale. I had just written a huge reply to this. Not because of your post in particular, but because of a bunch of other naive posts before it. I then deleted my post, because I shouldn't expect sc2 viewers to understand business.. That is wrong of me. As for GSTL, the season will be played out as is. With neither fOu or FXO making playoffs, there is little/noeffect. In future GSTL's. The internal rankings will depend on whos on the team. As well as a few individual decisions. I would expect to see some original FXO on the bench during the season.
I'm assuming this is Boss, but not entirely sure.
I don't really see how telling me I wouldn't understand gets you anywhere, wouldn't it be more worthwhile to at least attempt to make the post and then move along if I'm still ignorant to the "business" of it. I prefer to see teams pick up players with potential and build them up as opposed to falling into what to the outside, appears to be "If you can't beat them, buy them". This is part of why I don't like the Yankees, sure you can say it's good business and you'll gain fans with your success, the Yankees have plenty of them, but I simply won't be one of them with the current knowledge I have of the situation.
Telling me I won't understand business won't do anything but insult my intelligence and put me off further, quite simply, it may be good business to simply buy whomever is talented but in my opinion, it doesn't make for good sport.
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Dude, this is fucking boss. GJ FXO gogo esports~
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Why does everyone always attack FXO? They haven't done anything bad for e-sports so far, only good. They are the perfect role model for a corporate sponsor. Giving players salaries, comfortable living, and providing them with all of their needs so they can focus on the on important thing. The game! This is awesome fOu and I am sure their new backing from FXO will make them better then ever.
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WOAH!! FXO just became so much stronger aquiring fOu
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On July 19 2011 05:20 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 05:13 FXOpen wrote:On July 19 2011 05:02 Mordiford wrote:
Okay, we have another EG Master's Cup situation don't we?
So is Fou going to complete this season of the GSTL as Fou or as FXO, if Fou goes on and FXO doesn't, will Fou have access to the current FXO roster? Or are rosters locked for the current season? Sorry if this has been answered prior but it's not in the OP(other than the uniform change).
I'm not gonna lie, it really feels like FXO is the Yankees, I just can't get behind FXO this way. Sure they may start dominating team leagues with access to such a huge talented roster and all that, but all that we really see is a team buying players as other teams build them up, and then buying a whole roster of talented players. I'm most likely jumping the gun here, but for now FXO sort of dropped quite a bit on the "Teams I root for" scale. I had just written a huge reply to this. Not because of your post in particular, but because of a bunch of other naive posts before it. I then deleted my post, because I shouldn't expect sc2 viewers to understand business.. That is wrong of me. As for GSTL, the season will be played out as is. With neither fOu or FXO making playoffs, there is little/noeffect. In future GSTL's. The internal rankings will depend on whos on the team. As well as a few individual decisions. I would expect to see some original FXO on the bench during the season. I'm assuming this is Boss, but not entirely sure. I don't really see how telling me I wouldn't understand gets you anywhere, wouldn't it be more worthwhile to at least attempt to make the post and then move along if I'm still ignorant to the "business" of it. I prefer to see teams pick up players with potential and build them up as opposed to falling into what to the outside, appears to be "If you can't beat them, buy them". This is part of why I don't like the Yankees, sure you can say it's good business and you'll gain fans with your success, the Yankees have plenty of them, but I simply won't be one of them with the current knowledge I have of the situation. Telling me I won't understand business won't do anything but insult my intelligence and put me off further, quite simply, it may be good business to simply buy whomever is talented but in my opinion, it doesn't make for good sport.
I already have a team of potential, and I acquired another team of potential.. What more do you want man? If I wanted to buy a team to be the yankees , I would have bought slayers.... Its pretty simple.
Or better yet, I would have bought, naniwa, huk, mma, drg, nestea, losira, scfOu, and made a 'super team'... There is NOTHING in common between the yankees and FXO... At all..
You are just digging at something that doesn't exist. If you don't want to be a fan thats your choice. But I am kinda tired of being attacked for no reason for good decisions that are attempts at me to grow an industry. Honestly what have I done that has indicated that I am just going around buying publicity?
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