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On July 19 2011 07:00 JustPassingBy wrote:
As much as I like this move, I am a bit sad.
"for Our Utopia" was such a nice name.
Actually all of the Korean team have good names.
"IncredibleMiracles"
"TheScvLife"
"oldGenerations"
"StarTale"
the only foreign team I see on par there is "MeetYourMakers" ^^"
That is quite true, it was a cool name. I also liked that it sounded like "for you"... Oh well, good luck FXO / FXOKorea.
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Great news!
At last fOu guys can get much cooler looking tshirts 
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...Kind of weird I must say. I suppose in the end it doesn't really change much aside from perhaps seeing more fOu in international events as well as giving the foreigner FXO team stable practice partners. If FXOKorea performs well or whatever though everyone's still just going to think of fOu. IMO it's kind of dumb to have both a foreign and korean section of a team though.
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Sweet pickup FXO! I don't see why people are complaining. I love sC and Leenock. We get to seem them more often now! And what about all the people complaining that FXO won't get better in Korea because they dont have practice partners like TL-oGs? Problem solved! I see this deal being a huge benefit to both teams. fOu gets a money increase, FXO gets more of their name out there, and the original roster gets more teammates to help boost the skill level. Plus, now they don't have to live at the GOM house right? They have the fOu property as well as their Malaysia residence. This is awesome. Remember when the big deal was ZOMG Oz, A KOREAN JOINED A FOREIGN TEAM O.o!!! Well... look how far this has gone now :D! Yay sc2!!
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i cant wait for FXOflash and FXOjaedong and FXObisu
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So, in the Fantasy GSTL, if you have FXO do you also get points for fOu also?
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On July 19 2011 07:10 IcedBacon wrote:
...Kind of weird I must say. I suppose in the end it doesn't really change much aside from perhaps seeing more fOu in international events as well as giving the foreigner FXO team stable practice partners. If FXOKorea performs well or whatever though everyone's still just going to think of fOu. IMO it's kind of dumb to have both a foreign and korean section of a team though.
How is it dumb? Its incredibly smart. FXO players have such a large opportunity now. They have two team houses, one in Korea, one in Malaysia. This allows a guy like QXC, who wants to stay in Korea until he goes back to school in the fall, to stay in Korea and live in a team house. And that goes for anyone else in FXO. Plus is allows the old fOu guys great access to foreign events. Plus they will now get paid.
This is only good and will only raise the level of FXO players across the board.
EDIT: Oh my god, QXC gets to train with sC now, holy shit, that is so fucking awesome.
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On July 19 2011 07:10 IcedBacon wrote:
...Kind of weird I must say. I suppose in the end it doesn't really change much aside from perhaps seeing more fOu in international events as well as giving the foreigner FXO team stable practice partners. If FXOKorea performs well or whatever though everyone's still just going to think of fOu. IMO it's kind of dumb to have both a foreign and korean section of a team though.
They are not separate sections, they all operate and practice together, they merely live in different locations. Some of the original squad will be present during future GSTL games if they can be in Korea same for new FXO members to be in tournaments abroad like MLG Dream hack etc.
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Does anyone know how this has been recieved by the rest of the Korean pro scene?
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On July 19 2011 07:00 JustPassingBy wrote:
As much as I like this move, I am a bit sad.
"for Our Utopia" was such a nice name.
Actually all of the Korean team have good names.
"IncredibleMiracles"
"TheScvLife"
"oldGenerations"
"StarTale"
the only foreign team I see on par there is "MeetYourMakers" ^^"
Evil Geniuses?
Pretty cool news 
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On July 19 2011 07:16 Unstable87 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 07:10 IcedBacon wrote:
...Kind of weird I must say. I suppose in the end it doesn't really change much aside from perhaps seeing more fOu in international events as well as giving the foreigner FXO team stable practice partners. If FXOKorea performs well or whatever though everyone's still just going to think of fOu. IMO it's kind of dumb to have both a foreign and korean section of a team though. They are not separate sections, they all operate and practice together, they merely live in different locations. Some of the original squad will be present during future GSTL games if they can be in Korea same for new FXO members to be in tournaments abroad like MLG Dream hack etc.
then you got a HUGE roster
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This is fantastic news! This trip to Korea looks like it has worked out wonderfully for FXO. :D
I didn't really care for fOu as an acronym, something about it always rubbed me the wrong way.
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On July 19 2011 07:16 Jaydos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 07:00 JustPassingBy wrote:
As much as I like this move, I am a bit sad.
"for Our Utopia" was such a nice name.
Actually all of the Korean team have good names.
"IncredibleMiracles"
"TheScvLife"
"oldGenerations"
"StarTale"
the only foreign team I see on par there is "MeetYourMakers" ^^" Evil Geniuses? Pretty cool news
How about the korean team: "Most Valuable Player"? "All" might be a little strong. But yeah it is a little sad to see such a unique name disappear.
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On July 19 2011 05:56 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 05:42 Mordiford wrote:On July 19 2011 05:29 Serpico wrote:On July 19 2011 05:20 Mordiford wrote:On July 19 2011 05:13 FXOpen wrote:On July 19 2011 05:02 Mordiford wrote:
Okay, we have another EG Master's Cup situation don't we?
So is Fou going to complete this season of the GSTL as Fou or as FXO, if Fou goes on and FXO doesn't, will Fou have access to the current FXO roster? Or are rosters locked for the current season? Sorry if this has been answered prior but it's not in the OP(other than the uniform change).
I'm not gonna lie, it really feels like FXO is the Yankees, I just can't get behind FXO this way. Sure they may start dominating team leagues with access to such a huge talented roster and all that, but all that we really see is a team buying players as other teams build them up, and then buying a whole roster of talented players. I'm most likely jumping the gun here, but for now FXO sort of dropped quite a bit on the "Teams I root for" scale. I had just written a huge reply to this. Not because of your post in particular, but because of a bunch of other naive posts before it. I then deleted my post, because I shouldn't expect sc2 viewers to understand business.. That is wrong of me. As for GSTL, the season will be played out as is. With neither fOu or FXO making playoffs, there is little/noeffect. In future GSTL's. The internal rankings will depend on whos on the team. As well as a few individual decisions. I would expect to see some original FXO on the bench during the season. I'm assuming this is Boss, but not entirely sure. I don't really see how telling me I wouldn't understand gets you anywhere, wouldn't it be more worthwhile to at least attempt to make the post and then move along if I'm still ignorant to the "business" of it. I prefer to see teams pick up players with potential and build them up as opposed to falling into what to the outside, appears to be "If you can't beat them, buy them". This is part of why I don't like the Yankees, sure you can say it's good business and you'll gain fans with your success, the Yankees have plenty of them, but I simply won't be one of them with the current knowledge I have of the situation. Telling me I won't understand business won't do anything but insult my intelligence and put me off further, quite simply, it may be good business to simply buy whomever is talented but in my opinion, it doesn't make for good sport. Because you throw a hissy fit simply because a team was acquired and say stupid stuff like "omg I can't root for you as much now." It's completely childish. If you don't get it why this is simply a smart move to get more talent among other things than maybe the boss was right. It's far from a hissy fit, it's some simple questions to try and understand more about a team's acquisition. I said the same thing in regards to Complexity acquiring ROOT, I'll have to wait and see but as of now I'm a little put-off, particularly since I don't know the dynamic behind this acquisition. On July 19 2011 05:27 FXOpen wrote:On July 19 2011 05:20 Mordiford wrote:On July 19 2011 05:13 FXOpen wrote:On July 19 2011 05:02 Mordiford wrote:
Okay, we have another EG Master's Cup situation don't we?
So is Fou going to complete this season of the GSTL as Fou or as FXO, if Fou goes on and FXO doesn't, will Fou have access to the current FXO roster? Or are rosters locked for the current season? Sorry if this has been answered prior but it's not in the OP(other than the uniform change).
I'm not gonna lie, it really feels like FXO is the Yankees, I just can't get behind FXO this way. Sure they may start dominating team leagues with access to such a huge talented roster and all that, but all that we really see is a team buying players as other teams build them up, and then buying a whole roster of talented players. I'm most likely jumping the gun here, but for now FXO sort of dropped quite a bit on the "Teams I root for" scale. I had just written a huge reply to this. Not because of your post in particular, but because of a bunch of other naive posts before it. I then deleted my post, because I shouldn't expect sc2 viewers to understand business.. That is wrong of me. As for GSTL, the season will be played out as is. With neither fOu or FXO making playoffs, there is little/noeffect. In future GSTL's. The internal rankings will depend on whos on the team. As well as a few individual decisions. I would expect to see some original FXO on the bench during the season. I'm assuming this is Boss, but not entirely sure. I don't really see how telling me I wouldn't understand gets you anywhere, wouldn't it be more worthwhile to at least attempt to make the post and then move along if I'm still ignorant to the "business" of it. I prefer to see teams pick up players with potential and build them up as opposed to falling into what to the outside, appears to be "If you can't beat them, buy them". This is part of why I don't like the Yankees, sure you can say it's good business and you'll gain fans with your success, the Yankees have plenty of them, but I simply won't be one of them with the current knowledge I have of the situation. Telling me I won't understand business won't do anything but insult my intelligence and put me off further, quite simply, it may be good business to simply buy whomever is talented but in my opinion, it doesn't make for good sport. I already have a team of potential, and I acquired another team of potential.. What more do you want man? If I wanted to buy a team to be the yankees , I would have bought slayers.... Its pretty simple. Or better yet, I would have bought, naniwa, huk, mma, drg, nestea, losira, scfOu, and made a 'super team'... There is NOTHING in common between the yankees and FXO... At all.. You are just digging at something that doesn't exist. If you don't want to be a fan thats your choice. But I am kinda tired of being attacked for no reason for good decisions that are attempts at me to grow an industry. Honestly what have I done that has indicated that I am just going around buying publicity? This implies that those players would genuinely be up for purchase, but perhaps the Yankees are a bit of an extreme comparison. The situation seems similar though, sure it makes sense, what's better than one team with potential? Two teams with potential! But honestly Fou is more than a team with potential with the amount of talent they have in the GSL, it's undoubtedly buying upwards as opposed to buying sideways which is where I draw my comparison. It's especially a bit surprising since you spoke negatively about the mercenary system, saying that the players "Don't know how each other play, they don't know how each other live" and the players coming down will likely be spending around as much time with similar training interaction with the WeMadeFox team. So how is that any different from what just happened here other than, "Oh wait, they aren't mercenaries, look we bought them", do you know how they play or live now more than the foreign mercenaries would after 3-4 games of the GSTL? Have your thoughts on that system changed at all? Also mercenaries and aquiring fOu isn't comparable at all. I'm guessing FXO members will be able to stay, play with, get to know, share replays/tactics with the fOu guys in a way no mercenary team would ever do. You just seem to be very pessimistic and just want to nitpick on any small thing you can find. Seems like nothing can ever be just a good thing in SC2, there's always the whiny complaining nerds with entitlement issues.
i didnt see the post but if boss did criticize mercing than that would be funny as fxo's only competitive player in GSTL was oz a merc
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On July 19 2011 07:30 Bluerain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 05:56 karpo wrote:On July 19 2011 05:42 Mordiford wrote:On July 19 2011 05:29 Serpico wrote:On July 19 2011 05:20 Mordiford wrote:On July 19 2011 05:13 FXOpen wrote:On July 19 2011 05:02 Mordiford wrote:
Okay, we have another EG Master's Cup situation don't we?
So is Fou going to complete this season of the GSTL as Fou or as FXO, if Fou goes on and FXO doesn't, will Fou have access to the current FXO roster? Or are rosters locked for the current season? Sorry if this has been answered prior but it's not in the OP(other than the uniform change).
I'm not gonna lie, it really feels like FXO is the Yankees, I just can't get behind FXO this way. Sure they may start dominating team leagues with access to such a huge talented roster and all that, but all that we really see is a team buying players as other teams build them up, and then buying a whole roster of talented players. I'm most likely jumping the gun here, but for now FXO sort of dropped quite a bit on the "Teams I root for" scale. I had just written a huge reply to this. Not because of your post in particular, but because of a bunch of other naive posts before it. I then deleted my post, because I shouldn't expect sc2 viewers to understand business.. That is wrong of me. As for GSTL, the season will be played out as is. With neither fOu or FXO making playoffs, there is little/noeffect. In future GSTL's. The internal rankings will depend on whos on the team. As well as a few individual decisions. I would expect to see some original FXO on the bench during the season. I'm assuming this is Boss, but not entirely sure. I don't really see how telling me I wouldn't understand gets you anywhere, wouldn't it be more worthwhile to at least attempt to make the post and then move along if I'm still ignorant to the "business" of it. I prefer to see teams pick up players with potential and build them up as opposed to falling into what to the outside, appears to be "If you can't beat them, buy them". This is part of why I don't like the Yankees, sure you can say it's good business and you'll gain fans with your success, the Yankees have plenty of them, but I simply won't be one of them with the current knowledge I have of the situation. Telling me I won't understand business won't do anything but insult my intelligence and put me off further, quite simply, it may be good business to simply buy whomever is talented but in my opinion, it doesn't make for good sport. Because you throw a hissy fit simply because a team was acquired and say stupid stuff like "omg I can't root for you as much now." It's completely childish. If you don't get it why this is simply a smart move to get more talent among other things than maybe the boss was right. It's far from a hissy fit, it's some simple questions to try and understand more about a team's acquisition. I said the same thing in regards to Complexity acquiring ROOT, I'll have to wait and see but as of now I'm a little put-off, particularly since I don't know the dynamic behind this acquisition. On July 19 2011 05:27 FXOpen wrote:On July 19 2011 05:20 Mordiford wrote:On July 19 2011 05:13 FXOpen wrote:On July 19 2011 05:02 Mordiford wrote:
Okay, we have another EG Master's Cup situation don't we?
So is Fou going to complete this season of the GSTL as Fou or as FXO, if Fou goes on and FXO doesn't, will Fou have access to the current FXO roster? Or are rosters locked for the current season? Sorry if this has been answered prior but it's not in the OP(other than the uniform change).
I'm not gonna lie, it really feels like FXO is the Yankees, I just can't get behind FXO this way. Sure they may start dominating team leagues with access to such a huge talented roster and all that, but all that we really see is a team buying players as other teams build them up, and then buying a whole roster of talented players. I'm most likely jumping the gun here, but for now FXO sort of dropped quite a bit on the "Teams I root for" scale. I had just written a huge reply to this. Not because of your post in particular, but because of a bunch of other naive posts before it. I then deleted my post, because I shouldn't expect sc2 viewers to understand business.. That is wrong of me. As for GSTL, the season will be played out as is. With neither fOu or FXO making playoffs, there is little/noeffect. In future GSTL's. The internal rankings will depend on whos on the team. As well as a few individual decisions. I would expect to see some original FXO on the bench during the season. I'm assuming this is Boss, but not entirely sure. I don't really see how telling me I wouldn't understand gets you anywhere, wouldn't it be more worthwhile to at least attempt to make the post and then move along if I'm still ignorant to the "business" of it. I prefer to see teams pick up players with potential and build them up as opposed to falling into what to the outside, appears to be "If you can't beat them, buy them". This is part of why I don't like the Yankees, sure you can say it's good business and you'll gain fans with your success, the Yankees have plenty of them, but I simply won't be one of them with the current knowledge I have of the situation. Telling me I won't understand business won't do anything but insult my intelligence and put me off further, quite simply, it may be good business to simply buy whomever is talented but in my opinion, it doesn't make for good sport. I already have a team of potential, and I acquired another team of potential.. What more do you want man? If I wanted to buy a team to be the yankees , I would have bought slayers.... Its pretty simple. Or better yet, I would have bought, naniwa, huk, mma, drg, nestea, losira, scfOu, and made a 'super team'... There is NOTHING in common between the yankees and FXO... At all.. You are just digging at something that doesn't exist. If you don't want to be a fan thats your choice. But I am kinda tired of being attacked for no reason for good decisions that are attempts at me to grow an industry. Honestly what have I done that has indicated that I am just going around buying publicity? This implies that those players would genuinely be up for purchase, but perhaps the Yankees are a bit of an extreme comparison. The situation seems similar though, sure it makes sense, what's better than one team with potential? Two teams with potential! But honestly Fou is more than a team with potential with the amount of talent they have in the GSL, it's undoubtedly buying upwards as opposed to buying sideways which is where I draw my comparison. It's especially a bit surprising since you spoke negatively about the mercenary system, saying that the players "Don't know how each other play, they don't know how each other live" and the players coming down will likely be spending around as much time with similar training interaction with the WeMadeFox team. So how is that any different from what just happened here other than, "Oh wait, they aren't mercenaries, look we bought them", do you know how they play or live now more than the foreign mercenaries would after 3-4 games of the GSTL? Have your thoughts on that system changed at all? Also mercenaries and aquiring fOu isn't comparable at all. I'm guessing FXO members will be able to stay, play with, get to know, share replays/tactics with the fOu guys in a way no mercenary team would ever do. You just seem to be very pessimistic and just want to nitpick on any small thing you can find. Seems like nothing can ever be just a good thing in SC2, there's always the whiny complaining nerds with entitlement issues. i didnt see the post but if boss did criticize mercing than that would be funny as fxo's only competitive player in GSTL was oz a merc
From what i understand Oz is a full FXO memeber, not a merc.
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This is a pretty cool news indeed! You gotta love sc2 for that! The scene is getting bigger and bigger every weeks with so many tournaments to follow and now seeing FXO acquiring fOu is just so nice. Like Sqq said "Now this is how you do it. You ACQUIRE the players \ team. Not just lend them." like the SK crap with MC and NaDa. Props to FXOBoSs doing this the correct way and helping the esport industry so much. Good luck in the future guys!!
FXOLeenock FIGHTING!!!!
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On July 19 2011 07:30 Bluerain wrote:
i didnt see the post but if boss did criticize mercing than that would be funny as fxo's only competitive player in GSTL was oz a merc
Why is Oz a merc? FXO acquired him as a full time member so there is no mercing. Added to that he is trying to learn english so he can communicate better with his team. Don't see the merc there at all...
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On July 19 2011 07:30 Bluerain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 05:56 karpo wrote:On July 19 2011 05:42 Mordiford wrote:On July 19 2011 05:29 Serpico wrote:On July 19 2011 05:20 Mordiford wrote:On July 19 2011 05:13 FXOpen wrote:On July 19 2011 05:02 Mordiford wrote:
Okay, we have another EG Master's Cup situation don't we?
So is Fou going to complete this season of the GSTL as Fou or as FXO, if Fou goes on and FXO doesn't, will Fou have access to the current FXO roster? Or are rosters locked for the current season? Sorry if this has been answered prior but it's not in the OP(other than the uniform change).
I'm not gonna lie, it really feels like FXO is the Yankees, I just can't get behind FXO this way. Sure they may start dominating team leagues with access to such a huge talented roster and all that, but all that we really see is a team buying players as other teams build them up, and then buying a whole roster of talented players. I'm most likely jumping the gun here, but for now FXO sort of dropped quite a bit on the "Teams I root for" scale. I had just written a huge reply to this. Not because of your post in particular, but because of a bunch of other naive posts before it. I then deleted my post, because I shouldn't expect sc2 viewers to understand business.. That is wrong of me. As for GSTL, the season will be played out as is. With neither fOu or FXO making playoffs, there is little/noeffect. In future GSTL's. The internal rankings will depend on whos on the team. As well as a few individual decisions. I would expect to see some original FXO on the bench during the season. I'm assuming this is Boss, but not entirely sure. I don't really see how telling me I wouldn't understand gets you anywhere, wouldn't it be more worthwhile to at least attempt to make the post and then move along if I'm still ignorant to the "business" of it. I prefer to see teams pick up players with potential and build them up as opposed to falling into what to the outside, appears to be "If you can't beat them, buy them". This is part of why I don't like the Yankees, sure you can say it's good business and you'll gain fans with your success, the Yankees have plenty of them, but I simply won't be one of them with the current knowledge I have of the situation. Telling me I won't understand business won't do anything but insult my intelligence and put me off further, quite simply, it may be good business to simply buy whomever is talented but in my opinion, it doesn't make for good sport. Because you throw a hissy fit simply because a team was acquired and say stupid stuff like "omg I can't root for you as much now." It's completely childish. If you don't get it why this is simply a smart move to get more talent among other things than maybe the boss was right. It's far from a hissy fit, it's some simple questions to try and understand more about a team's acquisition. I said the same thing in regards to Complexity acquiring ROOT, I'll have to wait and see but as of now I'm a little put-off, particularly since I don't know the dynamic behind this acquisition. On July 19 2011 05:27 FXOpen wrote:On July 19 2011 05:20 Mordiford wrote:On July 19 2011 05:13 FXOpen wrote:On July 19 2011 05:02 Mordiford wrote:
Okay, we have another EG Master's Cup situation don't we?
So is Fou going to complete this season of the GSTL as Fou or as FXO, if Fou goes on and FXO doesn't, will Fou have access to the current FXO roster? Or are rosters locked for the current season? Sorry if this has been answered prior but it's not in the OP(other than the uniform change).
I'm not gonna lie, it really feels like FXO is the Yankees, I just can't get behind FXO this way. Sure they may start dominating team leagues with access to such a huge talented roster and all that, but all that we really see is a team buying players as other teams build them up, and then buying a whole roster of talented players. I'm most likely jumping the gun here, but for now FXO sort of dropped quite a bit on the "Teams I root for" scale. I had just written a huge reply to this. Not because of your post in particular, but because of a bunch of other naive posts before it. I then deleted my post, because I shouldn't expect sc2 viewers to understand business.. That is wrong of me. As for GSTL, the season will be played out as is. With neither fOu or FXO making playoffs, there is little/noeffect. In future GSTL's. The internal rankings will depend on whos on the team. As well as a few individual decisions. I would expect to see some original FXO on the bench during the season. I'm assuming this is Boss, but not entirely sure. I don't really see how telling me I wouldn't understand gets you anywhere, wouldn't it be more worthwhile to at least attempt to make the post and then move along if I'm still ignorant to the "business" of it. I prefer to see teams pick up players with potential and build them up as opposed to falling into what to the outside, appears to be "If you can't beat them, buy them". This is part of why I don't like the Yankees, sure you can say it's good business and you'll gain fans with your success, the Yankees have plenty of them, but I simply won't be one of them with the current knowledge I have of the situation. Telling me I won't understand business won't do anything but insult my intelligence and put me off further, quite simply, it may be good business to simply buy whomever is talented but in my opinion, it doesn't make for good sport. I already have a team of potential, and I acquired another team of potential.. What more do you want man? If I wanted to buy a team to be the yankees , I would have bought slayers.... Its pretty simple. Or better yet, I would have bought, naniwa, huk, mma, drg, nestea, losira, scfOu, and made a 'super team'... There is NOTHING in common between the yankees and FXO... At all.. You are just digging at something that doesn't exist. If you don't want to be a fan thats your choice. But I am kinda tired of being attacked for no reason for good decisions that are attempts at me to grow an industry. Honestly what have I done that has indicated that I am just going around buying publicity? This implies that those players would genuinely be up for purchase, but perhaps the Yankees are a bit of an extreme comparison. The situation seems similar though, sure it makes sense, what's better than one team with potential? Two teams with potential! But honestly Fou is more than a team with potential with the amount of talent they have in the GSL, it's undoubtedly buying upwards as opposed to buying sideways which is where I draw my comparison. It's especially a bit surprising since you spoke negatively about the mercenary system, saying that the players "Don't know how each other play, they don't know how each other live" and the players coming down will likely be spending around as much time with similar training interaction with the WeMadeFox team. So how is that any different from what just happened here other than, "Oh wait, they aren't mercenaries, look we bought them", do you know how they play or live now more than the foreign mercenaries would after 3-4 games of the GSTL? Have your thoughts on that system changed at all? Also mercenaries and aquiring fOu isn't comparable at all. I'm guessing FXO members will be able to stay, play with, get to know, share replays/tactics with the fOu guys in a way no mercenary team would ever do. You just seem to be very pessimistic and just want to nitpick on any small thing you can find. Seems like nothing can ever be just a good thing in SC2, there's always the whiny complaining nerds with entitlement issues. i didnt see the post but if boss did criticize mercing than that would be funny as fxo's only competitive player in GSTL was oz a merc
Oz is not a mercenary. A merc is someone who you bring in on a short term basis to help you win, with no intentions to keep them or have them really help their 'teammates'. Oz was brought in for the long term. He is there to help the team improve, not just win them games. If you consider him a merc then you should consider anyone who has ever been convinced to join a team from another a merc.
The same in this case. This is not a mercenary hire. This is two teams joining together and being one, they simply have two divisions - korea and international.
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On July 19 2011 07:06 Railin wrote:Great news! At last fOu guys can get much cooler looking tshirts
Not completely sure what the fOu t-shirts looked like,
but I don't really like FXO's t-shirt, they make you look incredibly fat.
Making the shoulder, neck and arm parts black
and a bright orange ring around your stomach/waist/lower back is not wise.
Better would've been the other way around, I think.
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