EPTAn NASL Retrospective With EG.iNcontroL - Page 31
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
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Malgrif
Canada1095 Posts
On July 16 2011 11:27 iNcontroL wrote: I can't help you if you refuse to correctly interpret my posts... "educating me" on the opinion I have? wtf... someone can say I am not that great of a player and I can go "what? I won X and took X place in X event" and they can STILL have that opinion, you realize this right? So please, spare me the "educate" bullshit. You guys overreacted and jumped the gun on a really insignificant thing... read the fucking interview and TRY to find me saying the things about TB you guys think I said. I didn't. And when asked, I explained what I meant AND STILL didn't say anything bad about him lol PS: People saying I "came to SC2 for the money" are the cream of the crop in terms of stupid. I didn't play bw for 12 years so I can roll in the riches of my EG salary in SC2 and coach for an hourly rate.. lol so what has he done so you formed the opinion that he came into it for the money? | ||
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TedJustice
Canada1324 Posts
On July 16 2011 11:32 Malgrif wrote: so what has he done so you formed the opinion that he came into it for the money? Why is his opinion about a random caster important? He could hate his guts, and I still don't see why any of us should care. This is starcraft, not a reality show. There's nothing for anyone to gain by analyzing people's relationships. Sure there's nothing stopping you from discussing it, but at the very least, I don't see how it has anything to do with Starcraft 2 or how this kind of discussion would belong in the SC2 General forum. | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
On July 16 2011 11:27 iNcontroL wrote: PS: People saying I "came to SC2 for the money" are the cream of the crop in terms of stupid. I didn't play bw for 12 years so I can roll in the riches of my EG salary in SC2 and coach for an hourly rate.. lol The point is that you still had a good chance at making some money off of SC2 considering your BW success, and you wouldn't have joined SC2 competitively if it was a complete waste of your time. However, money is not at all your only motivation for playing SC2, it's just a small part of it(same goes for TB). Why is money such a big issue, anyway? People need to make a living somehow, why not make a living doing something you love? | ||
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Zauvryn
United States18 Posts
On July 16 2011 11:27 iNcontroL wrote: I can't help you if you refuse to correctly interpret my posts... "educating me" on the opinion I have? wtf... someone can say I am not that great of a player and I can go "what? I won X and took X place in X event" and they can STILL have that opinion, you realize this right? So please, spare me the "educate" bullshit. You guys overreacted and jumped the gun on a really insignificant thing... read the fucking interview and TRY to find me saying the things about TB you guys think I said. I didn't. And when asked, I explained what I meant AND STILL didn't say anything bad about him lol PS: People saying I "came to SC2 for the money" are the cream of the crop in terms of stupid. I didn't play bw for 12 years so I can roll in the riches of my EG salary in SC2 and coach for an hourly rate.. lol I think he means educating you on your statement that TB came to SC2 for the money, which Totalbiscuit himself has refuted with reasonable evidence. | ||
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Intricacy
United States218 Posts
Please leave the negativity by the wayside in favor of criticisms that will actually impact and enrich this topic. This is TL, let's avoid the poison and get back to gaming. <3 | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On July 15 2011 13:34 Demonace34 wrote: Out of a 4,000 word interview, the community has to nitpick 1 sentence out of 1 paragraph? Just let it go, the article is about NASL, not TB. If everyone actually wants to discuss the selflessness and altruistic actions of each person in the Starcraft scene, go make a thread with a poll of all the major people in the community and settle it there. It's a pretty inflammatory statement. | ||
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Pleiades
United States472 Posts
There will always be haters and criticism, so just always expect it. No need to defend yourself or anyone, just move on and improve. You can't please everyone in here or in the world, so don't waste your time doing so. EDIT: I forgot, and yes I already know you did explain yourself earlier. | ||
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tztztz
Germany314 Posts
On July 16 2011 11:00 iNcontroL wrote: where in my post did I say anything about doing anyone favors? Where do I even suggest it? Can you for 1 post try as hard as you possibly can to not be a complete and utter shit head? @TB's post: There is nothing to refute. He does wonderful things and spends his money doing it.. where the fuck do I say otherwise? I merely said he came to SC2 to make money. I then said I respected that less than someone who is hired blindly. Agree or disagree fine..but how you can hate me and assert I am disrespecting him etc is bullshit. I didn't qualify my statement as some severe level of hate.. I said it was worse to me than X.. who the fuck are you guys to know what level of annoyance I was speaking to? so you're saying you have more respect for lindsey then for TB? | ||
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Neorosis
United States18 Posts
We have incontrol acting completely hypocritically in an interview... He frowns on someone that joined SC2 just for money? How's Anna doing? I am sure she has a love for esports, right? oh...wait.... On top of that, the statement he made was completely off-base and incorrect, yet he has not justified it whatsoever. The entire paragraph of the interview is a contradiction in and of itself, and it's embarrassing. To top it off, he comes to this thread and belittles those of us that are followers of the esports scene and INC himself. Thus far, there is no excuse for his behavior in the interview, and even to a lessor extent, this thread. I am VERY disappointed with the attitude INC has shown here, and I feel he owes us and the community an apology. Sadly, I feel at this point (going from his responses to well thought out comments, not the trolls) that Geoff feels above that, and above the rest of us. He should have apologized immediately, and not offered half-hearted excuses along the way, while telling us how idiotic we are with our disbelief in his attitude toward his statements. What he said about TB was (and is) inexcusable, and it's time he owns up to it. There was NO reason to single TB out in that interview. None. INC has admitted that, but he has yet to come clean as to WHY he would do it. It's funny how he mentions that pro-gamers don't post here... Like they have something to hide or be ashamed of, and yet Tyler has posted in this very thread, Drewbie posts, Minigun posts, Gretorp posts, DJwheat posts (Idra used to lolol), etc etc etc... Simple fact of the matter is that incontrol mistepped, and there has been a (deserved) backlash to his statement. It's up to him to come clean about it, or continue to make excuses. Geoff, incontrol, I ask you as a man, to step up and admit you are wrong. There is no need to come to this thread and call us all idiots. We are your paycheck, and the longer this goes without you stepping up and doing the right thing, the worse it will be. | ||
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crappen
Norway1546 Posts
I know it feels shit to say your sorry now, since noone likes being forced to say it, so I wont expect it. Maybe try say or show it in bits of pieces, slowly finding a way to increase your respect for TB and what he does for us. I still like how you just speak your mind, but the backside of it is that we may see things we dont like. | ||
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Tyrgrim
Sweden83 Posts
On July 16 2011 11:37 TedJustice wrote: Why is his opinion about a random caster important? He could hate his guts, and I still don't see why any of us should care. This is starcraft, not a reality show. There's nothing for anyone to gain by analyzing people's relationships. Sure there's nothing stopping you from discussing it, but at the very least, I don't see how it has anything to do with Starcraft 2 or how this kind of discussion would belong in the SC2 General forum. Yes, he can hate his guts all he wants, for all that I care. And I dont think that many other people would care either, if he in theory hated TB and told the entire world about it as often as he could. If he however says something publicly that appears to be defamatory, insulting and simply just not true, why should people _not_ comment on it? That seems like the decent thing to do, imo, rather then just shutting your mouth and letting what you consider an injustice just happen. No matter big or small. | ||
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Thrombozyt
Germany1269 Posts
On July 16 2011 11:00 iNcontroL wrote: where in my post did I say anything about doing anyone favors? Where do I even suggest it? Can you for 1 post try as hard as you possibly can to not be a complete and utter shit head? @TB's post: There is nothing to refute. He does wonderful things and spends his money doing it.. where the fuck do I say otherwise? I merely said he came to SC2 to make money. I then said I respected that less than someone who is hired blindly. Agree or disagree fine..but how you can hate me and assert I am disrespecting him etc is bullshit. I didn't qualify my statement as some severe level of hate.. I said it was worse to me than X.. who the fuck are you guys to know what level of annoyance I was speaking to? As clarified here by you, iNcontroL, you respect TB less than Lindsay 'Excellent' Sporrer. Given Lindsay's "performance" at the NASL finals, she is leagues beneath KellyMilkies in terms of respect in the community. By placing Lindsay above TB, you basically give TB no respect what so ever. Now I don't see how you can be angry about people thinking you disrespect TB. To you and all the guys trying to play down the discussion as 'nitpicking over 1 sentence': Lets imagine an interview by Naniwa, where he is asked about casters in SC2 and drops the following line: "I honestly take more offense at people taking up casting just to grab more fan attention than they deserve for their playing skill --someone like iNcontroL. I take less offense to someone like KellyMilkies, an amateur player who is loving the game, getting hired for a gig and she says yes not because she’s looking to get attention but because it’s a good job doing what she enjoys and she’s dedicated to doing it well." Seriously, TL would explode into a similar shit storm defending iNcontroL - and rightly so. Edit: As for 'valid points iNcontroL should respond to': How does him taking a nap in between MLG matches translate in online viewers not being able to watch OTHER matches while he is sleeping? The only explanation that comes to mind is that iNcontroL thinks that if he sleeps, the MGL tourney is put on hold and online viewers can only watch him sleep. In fact, every other tourney gives more game content per broadcasting time. MLG was in the crossfire for this forever and they set up dual stream and reduces downtime between matches to have a higher game density. | ||
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sc2guy
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On July 16 2011 18:10 sc2guy wrote: I wonder what is the reason for 2 prominent members from EG ganging up on TB recently? Another here. Very disappointing. its because they hate him!!! | ||
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cnas
Sweden640 Posts
On July 16 2011 18:10 sc2guy wrote: I wonder what is the reason for 2 prominent members from EG ganging up on TB recently? Another here. Very disappointing. Well, I think there's a mile of difference saying that you don't like a caster, and providing the reasons for that opinion, compared to this this. An opinion is an opinion, but incontrol instead says that TB only joined for the money. It's not even true and I wish that inc could just apologize to TB for this instead of just ignoring the facts provided by TB and others on how his statement is totally illogical. This isn't about opinions. This is about taking responsabilities for spreading lies, even if it wasn't meant as that or if the words came out wrong in the interview session (could happen to anyone). | ||
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Chillax
England585 Posts
On July 16 2011 13:15 Intricacy wrote: Gentlemen, this thread has been going all day long. Can we please just appreciate the interview for what it was and move on? There is no swingset beatdown going on here. Geoff has taken the time to share his views on an event that left many of us with a lot of questions, given the Day 1 issues, and I think a lot of people are discounting that in favor of nitpicking. As anyone who has been around the SC circuit can tell you, Geoff and the rest of the EG family have made vast contributions to the sport. No one is more anxious than I am to see how they take their skills to the next level with the new house coming together. I'm sure Scoots has his hands full at the moment. My hope is that someday our small family can say that we've provided so many years trying to bring more awareness to gaming as a competitive sport in the West. Please leave the negativity by the wayside in favor of criticisms that will actually impact and enrich this topic. This is TL, let's avoid the poison and get back to gaming. <3 Guy's I didnt like the comment either but its happened, lets move on. If TB's wife isn't raging over this and is infact telling us to calm down maybe you should actually listen to her? She would have more of a genuine right to be upset over this then any of us  | ||
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Thrombozyt
Germany1269 Posts
How does iNcontroL taking a nap in between MLG matches translate in online viewers having large pauses in between broadcasted game? In fact, every other tourney gives more game content per broadcasting time. MLG was in the crossfire for this forever and they set up dual stream and reduces downtime between matches to have a higher game density. | ||
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
"iNcontroL: The most fair criticisms most certainly have been focused on the production side of things," yeah~ | ||
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Nimic
Norway1360 Posts
On July 16 2011 08:03 iNcontroL wrote: WE ARE SO MAD!!!!!!!! lol  did people even read my comments in this thread? Name dropping was dumb and bad. But 20+ pages with a bunch of random posters trying to act like this shit is important is hilarious. I love all the personal attacks btw against me.,.. it's from people upset that I apparently did a personal attack on TB. Then they call ME the hypocrite LOLiNcontroL is the PR nightmare gift that just keeps on giving. | ||
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